Playing The Waiting Game
All we can do now is sit back and wait as the inevitable 700th like gets hit….
As for baseball, I got nuthin.
As for Stix…I didn’t really understand what’s going on there. Is he getting out early? Are we possibly going to see a Stix sighting here again at The Flap? I’m a little worried about the mental toll prison has had on our long lost friend. But I do believe in the resiliency of Flappers far and wide, so I am holding out hope that he will come back no worse for wear with stories to tell…..
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From his letters, he seems to be in good shape mentally. I just hope he got though the outbreak in there.
5 years ago Sunday . . .
ewisco disappeared as fast as stix. you don’t think…..
Has anyone tried to get in touch with him?
He’s not exactly the picture of health in this photo…
Yes, I have wondered about ewisco. I have no idea how to contact him…we never exchanged contact info. This was a fun Flapalooza at the yard. A number of us met that morning at Red’s Java House and had breakfast and a beer or two before heading to the yard.
Great pic! Zum with black barons hat, nice tie in to May 6, Mays b-day 89 today. MLB was supposed to have tributes, on earlier this morning that I missed. That’s wisco next to Zum (plus snark blade chi with salute)? Great guy, hope he’s OK
there is something on right now with him on mlbtv. interview with bob Costas
this is great highly recommend if you are up and rolling.
Thanks Willie, this is awesome.
When was the last time anyone heard from Stix? I recall that he spent some time in a Minn. state prison but then got returned to Elkton in Ohio. That’s where the federal prison database shows him now. Elkton developed a horrible CV19 outbreak; at least seven prisoners have died. Many others, along with many guards, are ill. The ACLU and another public interest agency filed a class-action lawsuit seeking an injunction. Things moved quickly. The federal trial judge looked at the evidence and said: “holy shit, get the codgers out of that death trap.”
The judge specifically ordered the Federal Bureau of Prisons to do the following for “inmates . . . who—through age and/or certain medical conditions—were particularly vulnerable to complications, including
death, if they contracted COVID-19 . . .: (1) evaluat[e] each [such inmate’s] eligibility for transfer out of
Elkton by any means within two weeks; (2) transfer[] those deemed ineligible for
compassionate release to other facilities utilizing certain measures to contain transmission of
COVID-19; and (3) prohibit[] those transferred from returning to Elkton until certain
conditions were met.”
The BoP appealed the trial judge’s injunctive order. On Monday, the Court of Appeals denied the appeal and said, essentially, almost two weeks have passed since the injunction came down, so Elkton should know now which vulnerable inmates are eligible for release or transfer, so Elkton sure as fuck better get those poor codgers out the door. Now.
yikes. Assuming he wasn’t one of the 7.
When this first came up a week or so back, Macdog and I both located some news stories that included the names of a couple of the dead inmates. Who knows.
Just read an article that 70% of federal inmates have tested positive for Covid. I hope someone can track Stix down because those odds are not in his favor. Considering his age and pre-existing conditions, he might be dead man walking.
Mike – thanks for the update yesterday on the Elkton prison. It has been probably six months since I have heard from stix. I will have to go back through my letters and see what the date was on the last letter I received. When we last exchanged letters, he seemed well. His mind has stayed sharp…for a dude that has extremely limited access to media/sports, he really was on it with Giants baseball.
I hope he is OK. I would LOVE for him to show-up on The Flap sometime in the near future.
Is that Tom Kite sitting between Zum and Snarkk?
Lulz. Nice call WJ..
Yeah hopefully Stix is ok, it’s hard enough getting a shower in without feeling vulnerable..
Though I assume most prisoners want fresh younger meat..
lol, shocker
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-lied-his-ass-off-about-being-great-at-high-school-baseball-box-scores-show?via=twitter_page
I can just hear Trump’s rebuttal. “What they don’t tell you is that I was intentionally walked literally hundreds of times. When they did pitch to me, they didn’t give me anything to hit. I was having to swing at balls above my head. And those were hard outs. Like the hardest outs you have ever seen….Fake news.”
What is inaccurate….it says he was a legend!!! Cant argue that!!! Just not in high school baseball…but in all fairness this story is based on 9 games in 3 seasons!!! Just 9 games!!! I think all of us in different political stripes can agree that cherry picking 3 games a season may not be an accurate reflection. FAKE SPORTS NEWS😛🤔🤐
The box scores were not cherry picked, they were what the writer who researched the original Slate article was able to uncover. The moral rot in that untermensch was there from the very beginning.
From the Slate article, which James linked to last night at the end of the last thread:
‘Trump, who played first base, wrote that “being a pro was in the equation” until he attended a tryout with “another young kid named Willie McCovey.” Apparently, the sight of the future Hall of Famer in action convinced him to give up baseball for good.
* * *
‘As for Willie McCovey, he was eight years older than Trump. When Trump was a senior in high school, McCovey was in his fifth year in the major leagues and already an All-Star.’
Take Me Out to the Shell Game!
How about them Giants??? The Lotte Giants go to 2-0, with a victory this morning (US time) with our phenom 19year old starter Seo Jun-won (isnt that a name of a winner?) giving up just 5 hits in 6 innings and one walk with no earned runs to the kt wiz (what an awful baseball name!!! The Florida Marlins of the Korean baseball league)!!!
Looks like our hitters are another group of “vets” like our own Giants with Jung Hoon going yard for a 3-run homer and lead-off hitter Min Byung-hun going 4 for 5 and 3 runs scored. Can we get that finally in a SF Giants uniform???
I just ordered 2 caps for me and the imminent college graduate son of mine!!! Here is a Lotte Giants fact I was unaware of….Lotte is not a city in Korea! They play in Busan a port-city like our franchise home and Lotte is a company!!!
Donald Trump BA .138
Connor Joe BA .067
The Trumpster double Joe’s production with the Giants 😂
I traded a couple letters with Stix in January and early February but haven’t written since.
Trump yet again, for the 1,001st time, is putting his interests in front of the people who are dying across the country. He’s pushing all his chips in on forcing the economy to get going. Meat packing plants with 300 COVID positive workers is such a great feeling. Even if EVERYTHING disappeared right now and people were able to go back to work safely, getting things going is a 6-12 month process.
Time to pull out of the market and watch the crash from the sidelines. When shit spikes again in 2-4 weeks, what then?
Unemployment numbers like 25-30% will not go unnoticed.
And again, WTF is the point of testing people for CV when everybody is being told to live as if they have it anyway? (Not that the test is even available)
If the masks are effective at stopping the spread, just keep them mandatory, open things up in some kind of sensible way and let everyone including the high risk people make their own choices.
Obviously if someone tests + they can/will engage in more extreme quarantine procedures.
Good answer, but the people here whose entire existence revolves around barbecuing and wearing shorts can’t wait for a test that this country doesn’t seem to have the ability to to get out there.
Personally, I haven’t worn shorts since 1970 and I’ve never owned any type of BBQ…
“a test that this country doesn’t seem to have the ability to to get out there.”
By “this country” we mean our pathetic president and his total lack of leadership during this.
I thought only European men didn’t wear shorts.
A more expansive response: https://tinyurl.com/ybrbpgdp
Take a quick look at this for today’s inspiration.
OSF
They just wear those embarrassing speedos
to show off they’re burrito in they’re speedos..
Yep, that’s definitely a EuroMan thing.
Poor Vic Wertz, the hit and play that he will was always be reminded of till his death in 83..
He was having a hell of an opening W/S game to that point.A 420 ft triple,a 400 ft double, 2 singles and knocked in all of the Indians run.
Well, in a way it might’ve been the best thing that ever happened to Wertz.
It wasn’t a Ralph Branca type thing…
Behind the chain link fence you can barely see a second fence ~50-100 feet away. That is the fence McCovey HR off Drysdale in 62′ bounced off of on after one bounce on the ground. The stadium rocked!
OSF
Loo how quickly could you identify this and what would give it away?
It’s The Big A, Flavor as seen from the outside of the attached casino (Resorts World).
Been at the exact spot countless times.
The horrendous sunken paddock is visible as well…
My advice to anyone is to stay far away from both places.
If they ever reopen…
You guys (Flav and Loo) crack me up with your knowledge of the ponies, racetracks, etc. Pretty amazing stuff. Just a sport that never really resonated with me. I love watching the three races that make-up the Triple Crown, but that’s about it for me. Loo – you are amazing with this crazy-assed recall of just about anything under the sun.
OK – you guys know the drill…another boring-ass day in the life of a sports hound. So, thought I would share this story from Will Clark, about Kevin Mitchell hitting a HR with a bat that had nails in it…
Apologies if you have seen this…
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/will-clark-tells-wild-story-kevin-mitchell-homering-nails-bat
Love me some Mitch stories, thanks Chi.
Chi that’s awesome I never heard that one, thanks for sharing.With Kevin Mitchell all bets are off with the zany things he did lol 😂
So you might say he really NAILED that HR?
Never saw that, Chi. I don’t think Kent and Bonds had that type of friendship.
The Mets supposedly traded Mitchell because they were afraid he would be a bad influence on Doc and Daryl.
How’d that turn out?
Welcome to all you guys. Glad you enjoyed it. I thought it was a really cool story. Also never knew that Clark and Mitchell were that tight. And I think you’re right, Loo, I do not think Kent and Bonds had a relationship anything like this one.
This date in baseball history..
1998 Rookie Pitcher Kerry Wood pitched a 2 hit shutout striking out 20 batters in a 2-0 victory.(I believe it’s still tied with Nolan Ryan in a 9 inning complete game?)
Sadly what looked like a possible dominant career was cut short by injuries ( 13 times in the DL) including TJ in his second year.Finished up with a 86-75 record..
Trivia (sort of):
What was the name of the relief pitcher the Giants brought in after they cut Benitez loose?
He was a big dude who wore his cap a little crooked I think.
Got off to a decent start before disintegrating.
I can’t think of his name – Flavor used to rag on him in the early days of the Splash…
Is he the guy we called the Refrigerator Mover?
Yup! I don’t want to look it up.
I know you know his name.
I can’t come up with it (so much for Chi’s 3:44 compliment)…
I think they actually traded Benitez to get him, right?
Randy Messenger. I got that without looking it up but couldn’t remember his name till you said we traded Benitez for him.
if you go look him up you’ll see why Refrigerator Mover was such a great nickname. That was about the time Velez got the Count Chocula name, right? We were on fire back then….
I just remember that dude Randy Messenger?
Never liked him.I don’t like a player that both doesn’t put a crease in his cap are wears it sideways.Just shows disrespect and looks like a clown 🤡 ( no pun intended Bozo)
No worries Kat. The sad thing is, I was still living in SF and going to games when he was with the Giants but I don’t remember that clown at all.
Messenger was a 1/2 year wonder, right? He came and went like a Taco Bell taco.
Xoot’s 10:37 am is hilarious.
Drumpf’s lies are so obviously, provable lies.
Yet, millions swallow this guy’s bilge every day. Not hilarious…
C’mon, Snarkk, he could have easily confused McCovey with Ken Henderson or Champ Summers.
They were both born the day after Trump…
Messenger wasn’t even that Chuck.
He was not the Messenger sent from God to lead the Giants to the promised land.
I remembered Messenger, but could not recall the year. Yeah, he was a flash in the pan, or more like “POOF – and a cloud of dust.” Curiosity was killing me, so I looked it up. It was 2007. 40.2 IP, 5.09 ERA, 1.721 WHIP. Basically, he sucked ass.
He only played one forgettable year thank god!
Yeah he sucked big time thru out his career Chi.
And to have his bill of a cap look as flat as a vinyl record was a bad look 👀
I wonder if Mays knows that today is also Masanori Murakami’s birthday (76).
And vice versa…
Kat, without looking it up, from what I remember Wood’s 20 strikeouts is still tied with Clemens, who did it twice (Sox and… Jays, I think)…. I didn’t think Ryan had 20 but I could be wrong.
Randy Messenger… forgot about him but that era (more or less) reminded me of another pitcher I liked, a bit unheralded I think, Jim Brower. Seemed he performed well when asked to relieve, spot start, etc. No idea what his final overall stats were, but seemed like a good guy.
I should amend his nickname. It’s still Refrigerator Mover but he looks like the type of dude who would also be casing your house and come back later to rob you
Oh good, Craig, thanks for posting, I thought maybe I’d killed another thread… 🙂
lol. The only thing you slay are the ladies in Vietnam, my man. Or so I’ve been told.
I try.
Messenger was just the bridge away from Benitez the Terrible. I don’t think Sabean cared who he got he just needed to get rid of AB
Wasn’t it the Razor Ralph Barberia (sp) that kept mercifully ripping Benitez on the radios along with fans calling in that Sabean finally caved in and jettisoned him for any sucker team willing to take his sorry ass??
From what I remember of Benitez’ last game, it was one of the most horrible relief pitching performances I’d ever seen. Didn’t he balk in the losing run or something like that? Against the Mets, I think. Sabean had no choice at that point….
Looked it up, yep, that Mets game was the last straw. Man, that was a painful loss. Benitez had two balks that inning, the first after he walked Reyes and, of course, the game-tying balk. And then Delgado absolutely crushed one to win it. I think Loo was at the game?
Yeah, John, I seem to remember Reyes on 3rd base, dancing around to distract Benitez, and boom, there’s the balk. Walking papers immediately followed, thank goodness.
Didn’t the fans get into it also? Met fans started to hoot and taunt him. It all unraveled and he got yanked after a getting almost nobody out.
Yes, I was there. The walk out of the stadium was extra miserable.
Met fans were carrying on like they won the WS in late fuckin’ May.
I think young Timmy started and old Barry didn’t…
I had decided I wasn’t going to post any more *political* things, but there is one thing I really don’t get about what’s going on in the US during these times. CNN article about Americans shooting a security guard in Michigan, and another incident in Oklahoma where customers shot 2 McDonald’s employees for telling the customers to leave because of lockdown requirements, says this: “The incident is one of a multitude of protests from residents across the country responding to restrictions in place to combat the virus.” Since when did *protest* come to equal “shooting”… eek. I guess now I’m better understanding some of the conversations here, like, Blade buying up some guns and heading to the hills….
The US is turning into “Fahrenheit 451”
There’s a certain amount of right-wing gun-nut “prepper” white supremecists who feel emboldened by Trump. They’ve waited their whole lives for a president like Trump.
Yeah I think your right P/A about balking in a run.
The problem with him, he thought he was still good!
What’s the saying :”You’re a legend in your own mind” that was Armando, as every Giant fan cringed when he came in knowing the game was lost..
watched some of that “Chalk Talk” vid conference that was alluded to in nbcsportsbayarea link from Chi about Clark fixing Mitchell’s bat for him. It was actually fun show, mostly with giants 4 announcers and Clark, then Mitchell came on from his home in San Diego for last 15-20 minutes. These air in front of retro games.
They got to talking about swings, and both of them said they weren’t fan of launch angle approach and instead favored level swing and bat staying in zone as long as possible. Mitchell said he learned from Carew to get bat out in front of ball and stay with it. Clark and Mitchell are still very much best buds.
Kruk btw said Vogelsong was one of his fav Giant pitchers, just for what he went through to get there and how hard he competed. didn’t know either that he and Clark were roommates on road.
Paul – speaking of Blade and buying guns and heading for the hills, he is supposed to be in my neck of the woods to look at houses today. We are going to try to meet-up someplace downtown. Looking forward to seeing him.
And to think 2 great hitters were in the same college LU at Mississippi State..Will Clark & Rafeal Palmerio
That Baseball Recruiter for them should of received a big fat raise getting those 2 together..
Not to mention pitchers Bobby Thigpen and Jeff Brantley were both on that same Bulldog team.
I always like Brantley. I think his nickname was Bulldog.
Kruk and Mitchell talked about him playing 3b with Giants, which he mostly did until Leonard got traded June of 1988 and he became regular in LF. He actually played 24 games at SS for Mets earlier in his career. They brought up the Catch as how fans know him by, and he downplayed it and said all he really wanted to do was hit.
Kruk mentioned a beanball war something to do with Chris Brown (Padres at that time?) and hoping if he charged mound Mitchell would be at 3b that day. Will Clark did call him “boogie bear” bunch of times during the vid conference.
I just noticed that Jumpin Joe Ellis had his jersey retired at USF recently, glad to hear that he was a baller there.Great list of players having they’re jersey hanging from the rafters..
KC Jones, Bill Russell,Ollie Brown,Phil Smith, Bill Cartwright, think I’m missing someone? Now Ellis great call!
Guy who came in store before we closed was headed to that ceremony. Joe Ellis was cool player.
Quentin Dailey went there . Also local guy Marlon Redmond who was briefly in NBA iirc.
big man James Hardy lasted few years too.
The aid who serves Trump his meals in the White House has tested positive for the ‘rona. Anyone think Trump will quarantine himself for two weeks?
No. My understanding is that trump and pence were both re-tested after this news (they are tested weekly, per what I read), and both came back negative. But, the testing results have not been consistent.
I have a desktop support staff member whose girlfriend started experiencing flu-like symptoms. She was tested, and her test was negative, but she was told to stay home for two weeks. We did the same with my desktop support guy, and he must stay home for two weeks, too (in addition to coming up with a list of name of folks with whom he had close proximity).
“COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — The woman attacked and killed by an alligator in a gated community along the South Carolina coast was visiting the homeowner to do her nails and was trying to touch the animal when it grabbed her, authorities said.
After briefly getting away from the alligator Friday, the woman stood in waist deep water in the Kiawah Island pond and said “I guess I wont do this again,” but the alligator grabbed her in its jaws again and took her under, according to a supplemental police report released Tuesday.”
Darwin Award Winner. To be clear – I hate to see anyone lose their life, unless it was an Isis (or some other whack-group member).
“Trying to touch the alligator”??? That is beyond merely dumb.
Flavor, your comment on the tweet at the top of this thread was good. Your pride is well justified. But you know where the smart fat kids were, right? On the ground in the shade, making book on who would get hurt next, who would get hurt worst.
Although, I suppose a young Jackie Gleason or John Belushi might’ve done both — bet on himself taking a turn on that jungle gym.
Anyone else notice that Trump’s newly reconstituted DOJ wants to drop all charges against admitted felon Michael Flynn? It’s not the deep state we need to worry about; it’s the new, fetid, shallow trump sewer state that’s going to wipe us out.
Sickening, xoot re: trump and his fucking cronies. The worst case of wide-spread corruption I have seen in my 62 years on this planet. Those assholes are hell-bent on destroying our country. That fat toad Barr is nothing but a trump shill. The whole lot of them make me sick. They are all a disgrace to America.
I still believe the highest priority of many needed political changes is to repeal Citizens United, and hence, get big money the fuck outta our political system.
well, Citizens United was a Supreme Court decision interpreting the first amendment. So it’s constitutional law. Congress can’t overrule it. The court’s rulings, of course, are only going to get worse. And if Ruth Bader Ginsburg can’t survive past January, we’re really looking at trouble.
On the safer side of commenting, I saw a headline yesterday predicting that we’ll see mlb’s proposal for a shortened 2020 season sometime next week. I can’t imagine how it can work. But maybe.
Fully understand Citizens United…Just saying that I feel it is the biggest threat to our democracy (democratic republic). And agree about RBG. She is a tough old bird and needs to hold on until we get a dem in the WH.
I agree on CU. The power of what the commentators call “dark money” exploded after CU in 2010. And the corporate donors are the biggest and the darkest.
I don’t follow the NBA closely, so this may be old news for those like willedav who does follow the NBA more closely.
https://tinyurl.com/y8e7hnrx
I guess North Carolina will be opening up the beaches soon, not this weekend but next. Besides the SIP orders, my county will also be loosening up the mask and self distancing restrictions. Ain’t life grand? (SMH)
Today I scored some great looking thick, bone in pork chops and some early corn. Ain’t life grand. (KDHN)
The Greek Freak has said he wants to stay in Milwaukee, and they have the league’s best record, but he is really good friends with Steph. It would be awesome to get him
Would be a helluva a line-up.
Happy 89th birthday Willie!
Willie’s 6th birthday was a blast!
mm anyone quoting Letourneau as reliable and knowledgeable is asking for trouble. NBA is in such a bad place right now–season likely is lost without playoffs, Rudy Gobert foolishness will not be forgotten, millionaire athletes like Curry getting instant access to tests (which has to be large factor in even practicing let alone playing soon) drafts without workouts or NCAA Tourney yada yada.
warriors are in a good spot without Giannis. Letourneau also had column recently where he laid out what it might take to get him in a trade, which would be an awful lot, starting player(s) and drafts.
Chuck, hope you were able to meet up with Steve and help find him a good place to settle in….