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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 8, 2020

I found this article from 2/20/20. Can one of our legal experts (Xoot, Snarkk) shed some light on what this is and what was happening here? It appears Stix is arguing he shouldn’t have to pay 19K in restitution but there’s no outcome listed.


I found this searching for obits on our long lost Flapper. Hope he’s alive and out of prison soon….

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  1. chipower9 said, on May 8, 2020 at 7:23 am

    Happy Friday, Flap Universe. I am no lawyer and look forward to comments by our Flap Legal Team, but from the bit I read, it appears from this in the change to his plea agreement, that he is on the hook for the money.

    Clausen’s plea agreement provided that his offense requires “payment of
    mandatory restitution in an amount to be determined by the Court.” At the June 20,
    2017, change of plea hearing, the district court warned that “the government’s going
    to ask that you make restitution to the government for the damage done to the
    helicopter.” Clausen stated he understood.

    • Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:20 am

      i wonder what happened to his property?

      • chipower9 said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:47 am

        No idea. I did have a few phone calls with him in the past, and I think he mentioned that he doubts if anyone is taking care of the property.

  2. alleykat69 said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:20 am

    Yeah not a good sign for the Clausen defense team.
    It’s like the Molly Hatchet song :Flirting with Disaster”
    It’s hard to beat the justice system unless your OJ..

  3. Macdog said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:33 am

    From what I can tell, Stix’s appeal was denied. At the very bottom: “The judgment of the district court is affirmed.”

    • Macdog said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:58 am

      And in the preceding paragraph: “We conclude the court did not clearly err in finding that the government substantiated its claim for restitution in the amount of $19,619.45.”

    • willedav said, on May 8, 2020 at 9:00 am

      Mac, you see NFL schedule? If it really happens, Niners will be in Jersey for 2 weeks to play Jets Sept. 20 and Giants Sept 27, games 2 and 3 of season.

      • Macdog said, on May 8, 2020 at 9:54 am

        Ha, didn’t notice they were here consecutive games. Maybe they can stay at the Jersey shore for the week.

      • alleykat69 said, on May 8, 2020 at 10:08 am

        Yeah it seems the last few years if the Niners have back to back east coast games,they hangout in EddieD’s crib in Youngstown which makes total sense with time changes/ jet lag. I’m surprised more teams don’t do that to increase your odds in victory.
        I like the schedule playing the weak AFC teams they have lined up.And also having they’re bye week in week11( more banged up bodies needing a break)over last years ridiculous week 3 when your usually a lot more fresh to play..

  4. xoot said, on May 8, 2020 at 9:00 am

    yeah, the trial court ordered Stix to pay $19,000+ in restitution, Stix’s federal pub. defenders appealed and the court of appeals finally got around to affirming the original award this year. I’ll bet some annual interest gets added on. I don’t know how criminal restitution works — do they give you time to pay it off after you’re released? Etc. I’m fairly sure the government can slap a lien on his home if he doesn’t pay up.

    He has mentioned underlying health issues in his letters and his lawyers argued about those issues back when his case was being litigated. He’s in his mid-70s now, isn’t he? And iirc he’s due to be released in six months anyway. They have to get him out of that Elkton facility. Maybe they already have.

    • xoot said, on May 8, 2020 at 9:40 am

      The lawyers and the courts spent a shit load more than $20,000 in time and resources arguing over the details of the pissant restitution award. The restitution law provides for repayment to “victims.” Here, the government that provoked the incident is the victim and the government wasted a large amount of money fighting over its right to squeeze a relatively small sum of money out of a guy who doesn’t seem to have much of it. The same government, apparently, kept him locked up in a CV19 hothouse.

      As far as I can tell, a couple of overzealous low ranking cops decided to take a joy ride in a homeland security chopper that should’ve been looking for poor people smuggling reasonably priced prescription drugs into Minn. from Canada. The asswipes buzzed a garden with some pot plants in it. That was their big law enforcement excuse. I don’t think there’s much market for North Country sinsemilla.

      The entire tale is outrageous.

      • Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 10:19 am

        Goddamn, the way you describe it is infuriating

  5. alleykat69 said, on May 8, 2020 at 9:09 am

    So is the price to repair Stix’s helicopter shootout🚁 at 20grand? Are is this helicopter now retired and used in front of a Burger King for kids to play in?

  6. unca_chuck said, on May 8, 2020 at 9:40 am

    Found another one. Last year’s Flap.


  7. unca_chuck said, on May 8, 2020 at 9:42 am

    Can they garnish his property in lieu of the $20 k? I mean really. How can Stix even begin to pay that off?

    • Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 10:45 am

      i’m sure they’d just slap a lien on it.

  8. Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 10:45 am

    LOL at all the people just standing there watching

    • gianthead said, on May 8, 2020 at 11:38 am

      Flodger fans always thugs:) The good ole days when took their beatings…

      • gianthead said, on May 8, 2020 at 11:39 am

        when men took their beatings…rain out for golf:( back to the drawing board for next week. .

  9. gianthead said, on May 8, 2020 at 11:28 am

    Go fund me for Stix? Ill throw in $50…

    • Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 11:41 am

      let’s gather more info about his current state/needs but I’d be down with that.

    • chipower9 said, on May 8, 2020 at 12:03 pm

      I too would be down with that. Over the past several years, I did send him some money for a pair of shoes, and other things he needed.

    • xoot said, on May 8, 2020 at 12:12 pm

      I would definitely kick in.

  10. gianthead said, on May 8, 2020 at 11:31 am

    And more good news…those Lotte Giants now go to 4-0 staying in first place after coming from behind this morning down 6-1 and then 8-3 with an extra-inning win!!! Our lead off man Min still producing going 2 for 5 in Game 3.

    We need some Lotte baseball on ESPN2!!!

  11. gianthead said, on May 8, 2020 at 11:35 am

    That McDonalds crime doc on HBO was pretty interesting and believe some of those found quilty are paying restitution monthly and for some it was like $150 a month for life and they will never fully pay off the total fine. I expect Stix will get that type of deal.

    • gianthead said, on May 8, 2020 at 11:41 am

      Guilty not Quilty

  12. chipower9 said, on May 8, 2020 at 12:11 pm

    I just went through my letters from Stix. Looks like the last dialogue I had with him was November of last year.

    I did a search for him on the Bureau of Prisons look-up, and it shows he is at the Federal Correctional Institute Elkton.

    I am shooting him a letter today. If you want to drop a line:

    Carstie Clausen
    REG# 20796-041
    Federal Correctional Institute Elkton
    PO Box 10
    Lisbon, OH 44432

    Free Stix!

  13. Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    If anyone is writing Stix see if you can get some concrete answers on what they’re telling him about his release. I know that seems rather obvious but the more we know the better in terms of helping him once he gets out

  14. chipower9 said, on May 8, 2020 at 1:03 pm

    I just banged-out a quick letter to Stix. It will go out today. I told him that many here at the Flap are wondering how he is and when he will be released. I asked him how his health is, when his release date is, and if there is a chance of an early release. Let’s hope our guy is still kicking and that I get a response from him. More to come.

    Also, I tried to call the facility at which he supposedly located, and the phone just rang forever. No surprise.

  15. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 8, 2020 at 1:21 pm

    I’ve found myself listening to a lot of KNBR segment podcasts and caught Vogelsong on Tolbert’s show yesterday. It was a pretty good interview covering his time in Japan as he tried to get back to The Show and got me thinking so I checked his JPCL stats. I’m not going to deep dive his performance relative to the league but with a 4+ ERA and 1.3 WHIP he wasn’t exactly dicing up supposedly less talented hitters. Vogelsong spoke to some of the balls and strikes bias he encountered as a foreigner so maybe that accounts for it. Either way it was something of a risk signing him in ‘11 which obviously paid off and his career was a pretty remarkable journey. I’ve missed a couple of opportunities to go to Japan for work and hope to make it one day and catch a baseball game.

    • chipower9 said, on May 8, 2020 at 1:48 pm

      Japan is cool. I would recommend going, if possible. I was there for two weeks, this over 10 years ago (hanging-out with a cute, young, Japanese lady, so that sure did not hurt making the visit quite enjoyable).

      I spent a week in Tokyo and a week in Kyoto. Unfortunately, it was not baseball season while I was there, but I did make it to the Tokyo Dome where the Yomiuri Giants play, and scored a Yomiuri Giants hat.

  16. Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 1:56 pm

    Happy 62nd birthday to the BEST DB in NFL history. Ronnie Lott!

    • chipower9 said, on May 8, 2020 at 2:06 pm

      Agree on the best ever, even if he did play for the University of Spoiled Children. #42!

    • alleykat69 said, on May 8, 2020 at 2:23 pm

      Yeah no argument from me!
      #42 kicked opponents asses for years!
      HBD Ronnie Lott!!

  17. djloo27 said, on May 8, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    50 years ago tonight…

    • willedav said, on May 8, 2020 at 2:18 pm

      classic. monster team too. Dick Barnett one of my early heroes. Dave Stallworth was cool player too.

      • djloo27 said, on May 8, 2020 at 2:34 pm

        There will never be a plausible explanation for the Bullets gift of Earl Monroe to their most bitter rival in exchange for Stallworth & Riordan…

    • willedav said, on May 8, 2020 at 2:32 pm

      Lakers had cool team too, West Wilt Baylor. West led all scorers,averaged 30 over 7 game series, shot 90 FTs and hit 83% of them. Wilt averaged 23 points and 24 boards. Hap Hairston out of NYU was guy I always liked too. Except for Baylor Lakers finally got The Logo and co. a ring couple years later.

    • Macdog said, on May 8, 2020 at 5:02 pm

      Isn’t the famous tunnel gone now since MSG was refurbished?

  18. willedav said, on May 8, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    Tony Gwynn would have been 60 tomorrow. mlbtv showing game vs. giants in 93 where he got 6 hits in wild 11-10 game. bonds was walked 4 times, homered, and scored 4 runs. Beck blew save Pads (who were 30 games behind Giants at time) won in extras. Have to check that one out.
    Looking up his game log for that season, 3 other times Gwynn had 5 hits in a game. One was in 3 game series vs. Mets where he had 11 hits in 14 ABs.

  19. willedav said, on May 8, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    NBA tv will have the 1970 Finals game on at 3 PM our time. I’m there.
    Loo wasn’t Monroe upset over contract? Nice interview with Willis Reed over at si.com too on his time with Knicks living in NYC and playing at old MSG.

    • djloo27 said, on May 8, 2020 at 3:38 pm

      Willie, it doesn’t matter why. They traded their superstar to their arch rival for 2 scrubs…

      • willedav said, on May 8, 2020 at 4:05 pm

        Yes. Monroe was dominating player, really fun to watch. I could never get the spin move he had down.
        Bullets did eventually get a title few years later, right…them and Seattle split titles 2 years in row after Warriors.
        Mike Riordan lol, most hated Bullet by Warriors fans after K C sent him in there to mess with Barry.

  20. unca_chuck said, on May 8, 2020 at 4:34 pm

    Last I heard early thiis year was Stix was hoping to get a 6 month early release in mid May to a halfway house. This was before CV of course.

    • alleykat69 said, on May 8, 2020 at 5:52 pm

      Guess he continued at the full way house instead..
      Other House options?
      Animal House?,White House?,Fuller House?
      House that Ruth Built? Houses of the Holy?
      House of Cards? House Arrest with House the actor?

      • djloo27 said, on May 8, 2020 at 6:44 pm

        ^Nut House?

      • zumiee said, on May 8, 2020 at 7:16 pm

        A long time ago I got a few emails from Stix that were pretty nutty. I tried to find them the other day, but I must have deleted them. He was responding to a few posts I made on the Flap about U.S. history.
        Let’s just say the Stix-man likes some whacked-out conspiracy theories.

      • Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:04 pm

        i just checked, I’ve got like 30 of them. I’ll sift through and see if there’s any gold in them

      • djloo27 said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:07 pm

        How could there be anything else?

  21. Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:07 pm

    here’s a stix email without the incredible pic he’s referencing, sorry I can’t upload that as well into the comment section.

    Sun, Feb 14, 2010, 11:28 AM
    to me, Carstie

    Craig, you mentioned sharing my pics with your mother. I think
    this is one that mothers will enjoy. -stix

    Intrusive, yet elusive, this out of focus creature emerges into a
    quiet garden scene, interrupting the floral background with its
    strange presence. What is that mysterious lit-up area on the
    sculpture? Could it be a heart-light? Nature encompasses many
    mysteries. Photography bestows many a serendipitous trick.

  22. Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:08 pm

    I am enjoying this….I might turn some of these into a thread tomorrow (with pics)

    • chipower9 said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:58 pm

      Excellent idea. I would love to see that, Craig.

  23. Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:10 pm

    here’s what he sent me after Twin sent him a computer that he wasn’t ever able to set up. LOL, this sent Twin into quite the tizzy. I miss Stix, I really do.
    Wed, May 12, 2010, 9:31 AM
    to michael, me

    FedEx parcel arrived at about ten a.m., my time. Thank you.
    Thank you. Opened it up and confronted many mysteries. From my
    limited experience it looks like a powerful array. There was a
    slight ticking sound in main unit when i picked it up and tipped it
    to one side a bit, like some tiny thing was loose inside. A small
    chunk of the styrofoam sheathing had broken off in transit. Probably
    nothing major or even significant, but thought it best to let you
    know. Noticed some instructions, etc in motherboard box. Will check
    that info out, probably this evening.
    Now that it has arrived i will contact a half my age cousin who
    lives in general area to inquire about getting a monitor and also for
    someone with waaay more tech smarts than myself to help get it set up
    and operating. Of course, in the process of all this i’ll also need
    to contact ISP to get signed up for dsl service adequate to the
    capacity of this system.
    Thanks again. Will keep you posted on developments.
    -carstie / -stix

    Craig; Also much thanks to you for your assistance in this great
    adventure and, of course, for so ably hosting and tending to the

    • djloo27 said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:17 pm

      One can sense the impending disaster…

  24. Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:21 pm

    I’ve gone down a rabbit hole here. The idea that I could somehow pick one picture and one associated email for tomorrow’s thread is a most daunting task–like trying to understand infinity, or the speed of light or time travel. Stix wrote me some incredible emails…..

    • djloo27 said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:27 pm

      “Noticed some instructions, etc” must’ve done wonders for Twin’s blood pressure…

      • Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:29 pm

        he wasn’t a numbers man, I’ll say that. But i forgot about some of the INCREDIBLE nature pics he sent me from literally right in his back yard. I’ll post some of those tomorrow.

  25. djloo27 said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:33 pm

    Didn’t a chunk of styrofoam cause the second space shuttle disaster?

    • Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 9:00 pm

      no. O-ring fail. Remember that like it was yesterday.

      • Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 9:05 pm

        so I have absolutely zero recollection of the Columbia disaster but I remember Challenger like it happened yesterday. What the fuck is that all about?

    • alleykat69 said, on May 8, 2020 at 9:00 pm

      Yeah it was the space shuttle Columbia that a large chunk of foam broke off damaging the scuttle causing an explosion.
      Crew of 7 killed as the sick joke went around
      NASA means Need Another Seven Astronauts..

  26. djloo27 said, on May 8, 2020 at 8:46 pm

    Manny Ramirez 1999:

    Hits: 174
    RBIS: 165

    Is that the sickest ratio ever?

    • Flavor said, on May 8, 2020 at 9:02 pm

      yes. I tried to throw a Barry stat in your face but came up empty (at least for this sick ratio)

  27. zumiee said, on May 8, 2020 at 9:56 pm

    Yeah, I remember TF was flummoxed when he found out he had sent a state of the art computer to someone with a dial-up modem.

    On a side note- I enjoyed reading stuff TF posted about the computer world. It was usually interesting and entertaining.

  28. James said, on May 8, 2020 at 11:26 pm

    The Ramirez RBI ratio is explained by not only the extraordinary number of runners on base for him, but also where those runners were stationed:

    in 640 PAs
    Actual Runners on Base 507 (203-178-126)
    Avg. MLBer w/ 640 PAs
    Avg. Runners on Base 411 (203-136-71)

    All of the 96 “extra” runners on base were in scoring position, and over half were on 3rd. Barry Bonds hitting as he did in 1993 would have had a similar ratio with that many opportunities to drive in runners.

    • djloo27 said, on May 9, 2020 at 9:39 am

      Thanks James. I don’t know if the numbers back this up, but I’ve posted (more than once) that I thought Mays’ RBI totals suffered from having sub par “table setters” for much of his career.
      Like in 1965?

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