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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 11, 2020

Ok guys. lots going on today so I can’t really get into the details of this, maybe someone can post the logistics?

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  1. unca_chuck said, on May 11, 2020 at 11:26 am

    I’m sure it’s ludicrous and doesn’t take the players safety into account very much.

  2. willedav said, on May 11, 2020 at 11:38 am

    Lead story over on MLBTR. ST to start up mid June, regular season in July. And at everyone’s normal home yards (no fans) unless there is concern/conflict. 3 division set up, Giants playing NL West and AL West only. Expanded playoffs adding 2 wild cards to each league. Division of revenue too.
    I think you can assume expanded rosters and…at least for 2020, universal DH which was lead story there earlier along with poll they ran asking different opinions–no never ever in NL/this season only/rule going forward.

  3. chipower9 said, on May 11, 2020 at 11:39 am

    With the article I read on the likelihood of a universal DH across MLB for 2020, I say fuck ’em. Manfred continues to try and destroy the most beautiful sport on the planet.

    • alleykat69 said, on May 11, 2020 at 12:02 pm

      What he said!

    • xoot said, on May 11, 2020 at 12:07 pm

      I also agree completely.

    • Winder said, on May 11, 2020 at 12:43 pm

      Mee Too

  4. willedav said, on May 11, 2020 at 11:46 am

    In earlier story, MLBTR said stats show without pitchers hitting K’s and bunts would go way down. Pitchers had some god awful slash lines, whereas league average player had OPS of around .750.

    In the Alou bio, Felipe said, surprise to me, he’s all for it. Says it puts a real hitter and baserunner into the lineup, someone who could steal bag and run well without risk of injury to a pitcher, could hit/run or bunt as situation called for it and wouldn’t cost him a PH every time he needed one.

    Not my cup of tea, but with roster spots opened up means guys like Pence or Cespedes even could play NL longer.

    • chipower9 said, on May 11, 2020 at 12:40 pm

      I understand their logic in the DH, I just disagree with it in relation to the way I want to see the game played. You lose so much strategy when you remove the pitcher as a hitter from the equation, IMO. I too am surprised to hear Felipe backs the DH, but WTF does he know, right? 😉

  5. xoot said, on May 11, 2020 at 12:06 pm

    The risk/benefit ratio for players could kill the deal if mlb sticks to its reduced salary demands. Some older, highly paid stars, with money in the bank, would just walk away. Some would refuse to play and (probably) go to arbitration.

  6. willedav said, on May 11, 2020 at 12:06 pm

    I think what wilco said awhile ago is true–ballplayers in their 20s/low 30s think they’re mostly invincible. If this is the only way they get paid any portion of their salary, why would they vote against it? Crawford and Belt would be passing up half their $15 mil for 3 months work, Posey more than that. A younger guy like Dubon, who has been playing minor league ball since 2014 finally gets a chance to make ML money. Even in half season that’s got to be $250 grand and now he’s in ML parks every game.

  7. zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 1:13 pm

    The MLB player union sticks together better than any other sports union. I’ll be shocked if the players play in ‘20 if there are some players who don’t want to play Biodome Isolation ball this season.
    And we as fans are just so starved for live baseball we want a freaky weird ‘20 season where a team could win 45 regular season games and end up winning the World Series? How is that legitimate?

    • zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 1:18 pm

      The ‘81 Dodgers won 63 regular season games and won a relatively cheesy championship.

  8. chipower9 said, on May 11, 2020 at 1:26 pm

    I have read before about the cool relationship Dubon has with the US parents. This is another article on the subject. I like everything I have read about the kid, and hope he does well.


  9. chipower9 said, on May 11, 2020 at 1:30 pm

    Niners are still odds-on favorites to return to the super bowl for the NFC. They sit at 7-1 odds to win it. Anyone here that would throw some coin at that?

    Chiefs at 4-1, followed by Ravens at 13-2.

  10. alleykat69 said, on May 11, 2020 at 1:37 pm

    I’m so thrilled having Dubon on the Giants!
    He’s a exciting YOUNG player the Giants definitely needed.That along hopefully with Jaylin Davis would be 2 much needed pieces that have to play everyday imo..

    • willedav said, on May 11, 2020 at 1:54 pm

      Yeah looks like a great add, and missing an entire season would suck for both of them and any other of Giants prospects. Even for guys like Gausman and Smyly, they signed with SF to rebuild careers and hopefully get better deal next year; giants signed them with idea they could flip them if they did well.
      I can’t believe players like these, and every team has bunch of them, wouldn’t want to play.

      • zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 2:25 pm

        Sure they want to play, but how many employment union decisions in any union are dictated by the newer guys in the union?

      • xoot said, on May 11, 2020 at 4:34 pm

        depends on the demographics. I think every player on the 40 man is a member of the mlbpa.

  11. xoot said, on May 11, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    Sorry to wander off the legit manfred is a tool topic for a moment, but I thought this academic piece, highlighted in the NYT today, was good. It’s long, but coherent even for non-scientists, and some of the examples are very illuminating. (As a result of this analysis, I’m dialing down my annoyance of maskless joggers and dialing up my alarm at sneezes.)


  12. alleykat69 said, on May 11, 2020 at 1:57 pm

    Rosters expanded to 30 player and 20 man taxi squad wtf?
    And maybe 81 game schedule, doesn’t sound much worth a legitimate W/S championship!
    Then adding 4 more teams for the playoffs?
    Why do that?For greedy owners?

    • zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 2:28 pm

      For me, it’s not a legitimate season, but that’s just my opinion.
      Plus, all the health danger possibilities.

    • zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 2:32 pm

      Well, we’ll know pretty soon how the players union feels about it all.

    • zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 2:32 pm

      I could be wrong about their reaction! 🙂

    • unca_chuck said, on May 11, 2020 at 3:47 pm

      See comment 1.

  13. pawliekokonuts said, on May 11, 2020 at 2:41 pm

    I vote no. Sterile, stoic, stupid.

  14. zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 3:17 pm

    Have any of you seen the 2008 movie “Synecdoche, New York”? I’m wondering what any of you think of it.
    It seems like the kind of movie that people either like a lot or dislike a lot, without much in-between. I like it a lot. It’s very creative, but also very somber and depressing, yet with surprising moments of humor in it. And moments of harsh keen insight. The screenplay was written by Charlie Kaufman, screenwriter of “Being John Malkovich,” “Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind,” and “Adaptation.” He’s probably the most creative screenwriter of this era, but his films usually don’t make tons of money, so the movie business doesn’t beat down his door for screenplays. Actors love his movies because the roles he writers are so great. Chris Cooper won an Oscar for his role in “Adaptation.” Kaufman won a screenwriting Oscar for “Eternal Sunshine.”

    • xoot said, on May 11, 2020 at 4:16 pm

      I thought all of those movies he wrote were great. Synecdoche NY never much interested me, but maybe it’s time to give it a try. I know an English professor who incorporated “grab some pine, meat” into her lecture-hall explanations of metonymy and synecdoche.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on May 11, 2020 at 5:55 pm

      Just by the title I like it

  15. alleykat69 said, on May 11, 2020 at 3:25 pm

    My issue with the DH is that once they do it this year it won’t go away, it would be forever, Screw that!
    Let the junior league keep it only!!

    • djloo27 said, on May 11, 2020 at 3:55 pm

      If the NL had the DH in the 60’s the Giants might’ve kept Cepeda…

  16. alleykat69 said, on May 11, 2020 at 3:41 pm

    So they say a single cough droplet can travel at 50 mph, so basically the same as a Barry Zito fastball?

  17. unca_chuck said, on May 11, 2020 at 3:46 pm

    Still wondering if any of you gambling-movie types saw Uncut Gems. I’ll reserve giving anything away until cleared. KG was good.

    • Macdog said, on May 11, 2020 at 4:49 pm

      How was Francesa?

  18. Bill Fleming said, on May 11, 2020 at 4:22 pm

    There’s no rule saying you have to use the DH. So for the purists on this board go ahead and keep calling for Kapler to let a pitcher bunt/hit with a slash line of .076/.126/.158 while the opposing team is using players like Mike Trout as their DH. See how long before you’ll be crying out for the Giants to use a DH.

    What about this? Rosters can now have 26 players The Giants are just about to waste a year of having Joey Bart in their system. Joey Bart should be that 26th player. Just use Bart and Posey primarily as the catchers and DH’s this season. Seem like a win/win.

    • alleykat69 said, on May 11, 2020 at 4:50 pm

      That’s actually something I could get behind Mr.Flemming! But knowing the Giants sadly it would be a committee of Pence/Sandoval/Dickerson/Longo
      They have enough old guys on the buffet spread to choose from..

    • gianthead said, on May 11, 2020 at 4:52 pm

      Bart has got to play every day so not sure worth having him up in the show if he is not…

  19. gianthead said, on May 11, 2020 at 5:15 pm

    If they go with this 81 game season they could likely play 12 games (2 series home and road) against each NL West team for 48 games and then 6 games against each AL West team for 30 total games adding up to 78 total games. They can add one more rivalry series Giants/A’s; Flodgers/Angels; Mariners/Padres?; Douchebags/Rangers?; and Rockies/Astros? Just a question who hosts those series to make it an 81 game season…

  20. gianthead said, on May 11, 2020 at 5:21 pm

    And I will call it now…if there is a NL DH, Puig is going to be a Giant this year…I dont like the mojo that the Flodgers won the ’81 season shortened world series and we will have a certain short season.

    Some suggested that some players wont play but I dont see that. I think all top-tier athletes are very competitive and they are not going to want to let their teammates down to give them a chance to win. How lucky are the Stros that they wont likely play games in front of fans…

    • djloo27 said, on May 11, 2020 at 7:40 pm

      I still check for Puig rumors almost every day.
      He’s too young to just disappear like Pagan…

  21. Bill Fleming said, on May 11, 2020 at 5:42 pm

    Bart should be playing everyday. He will catch when Posey is the DH and DH when Posey is catching. You can give Bart an occasional day-off, if needed. If the Giants play a 80-100 game schedule this season, Bart should be in the line-up for 72-90 of those games.

    The Giants held down Posey for too long when it was obvious that he was better than Molina (in Sept. ’09 and beginning of ’10). It is obvious Posey’s skills are not what they were (yes, he has been hurt but that is part of a catcher’s gradual decline). Don’t make the same mistake with Bart. He is young and hungry. He will be a shot in the arm for the Giants coaching staff, players and fan base.

    Bart is the real deal and his time has come. What good is it to have him waste at bats in the minors? He has had enough experience at the college/minor league level to play now on a team going nowhere. He is also a great defensive catcher. He passes every eyeball test. You can just look at players like Posey, Bumgarner, Lincecum, etc.when they were in the minors and during their call-ups and know they can play and dominate at the MLB level.

    Don’t waste any more of Bart’s time in the minors. Believe me, he is not going to struggle at the MLB level.
    I guarantee that if Bart is in the line-up, he will contribute and become a cornerstone in the Giants resurgence.

    • pawliekokonuts said, on May 11, 2020 at 5:59 pm

      entirely agree

  22. Flavor said, on May 11, 2020 at 6:18 pm

    I’d be 100% behind an 81 game season. Get to play daily fantasy every day again, hell yes, let’s go. The Giants weren’t gonna contend in a 162 game season, an 81 games season, the number of games don’t really matter. But 81 games is absolutely long enough to get into a season and find meaning in it.

  23. alleykat69 said, on May 11, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    The strike in 94 they atleast played 114 games which sucked when guys like Matt Williams has 43 Bombs on pace to pass Maris record.Gwynn was hovering around .400 and the Expos were the best team in baseball ( go figure) at 74-40.Brutal times to strike, which pissed off many fans and players.
    81 games seems like a joke to me in empty stadiums and especially thinking of adding 4 more teams to a playoff format when a 1/3 of baseball teams suck anyway is ridiculous..

  24. zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 7:03 pm

    Well, sure, I’ll watch the games if they happen; but I wouldn’t consider it anything more than some kind of TV-concocted ‘reality show.’ It wouldn’t be a real season.
    But I’ve never believed it’s going to happen, and I still don’t.
    But time will tell. To get some June Spring Training in, the players have about 3 weeks to approve monastery baseball.

  25. Flavor said, on May 11, 2020 at 7:14 pm

    81 games is enough to get into it. Shit, 162 is an incredible grind. We might find 81 is more preferable.

  26. djloo27 said, on May 11, 2020 at 7:16 pm

    What will become of the poor seagulls?

  27. zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    From an online article from SI today. The financial aspects are still an issue, too. MLB
    “must find a way to test participants frequently for the virus while not diminishing the number of tests available to the public at large. And it must design a way to react if, despite those precautions, someone tests positive.
    MLB has said that it wants to start a rebooted spring training in June, with real games beginning in July. Privately, many people in the sport think that timeline is unrealistic, even if the sides can work out the finances.
    But the finances are far from worked out. The league and the union are expected to discuss the new proposal on Tuesday. They are not expected to agree to it.”

  28. zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 7:49 pm

    From Jon Heyman:

    The financial battle will be a big one. Owners seek a revenue sharing plan. Players always have been opposed to such a plan and the union is saying no way will they agree to that. The good news: they have some time to figure it out, and both sides have big incentive to play.

  29. djloo27 said, on May 11, 2020 at 7:58 pm

    Kevin Brown had a better career than Don Drysdale…

  30. willedav said, on May 11, 2020 at 8:13 pm

    “…doesn’t take players safety into account.” mmm in my 20s, neither did I.

  31. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 11, 2020 at 8:14 pm

    Speaking of baseball and dying: “Mary Pratt has died. She was 101. The baseball player is believed to have been the last surviving member of the 1943 Rockford Peaches, the team that was part of the All-American Girls Professional Baseball League, which inspired the sports movie A League of Their Own in 1992.”

  32. alleykat69 said, on May 11, 2020 at 8:29 pm

    It’s only fitting that rich players and owners can’t reach an agreement when the nation needs them the most! Freakin Greed !!
    And they really need a salary cap on baseball, set it at 180 mil for every team..

  33. Bozo said, on May 11, 2020 at 8:56 pm

    Maybe I’m missing something here, but I haven’t seen anything about MLB addressing player safety or if there will be any minor league games. The Players union will want some huge assurances on safety and if the minor leagues aren’t up and running, who fills in for Belt when he gets this years fluke injury?

    • zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 9:31 pm

      All the quotes I’ve seen from players are very hesitant about playing.

  34. zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 9:36 pm

    That film clip from Xoot is intense. There are many people who hate seagulls that much. I don’t hate them, but I haven’t been pooped upon by one yet.

    • xoot said, on May 11, 2020 at 10:00 pm

      Reverence for seagulls was only one thing I disliked about that pretentious movie. A seagull ain’t no albatross. A seagull is a petty scavenger, a waterfowl crow, really. Terns are smaller and quicker and brighter, like white water swallows. Cormorants are more graceful and less concerned with garbage. Pelicans with their somber majesty scare gulls away. I spent many hours on the water as a kid observing them all. Seagulls are at the bottom of the pyramid.

      • djloo27 said, on May 12, 2020 at 8:29 am

        Cormorant was a Maryland horse that was hyped to give Slew a battle in the ’77 Preakness.
        He was soundly beaten.
        Now I know the origin of his name – 43 years later.
        I always thought it was something military from the way it sounded.
        Thanks, Xoot…

  35. zumiee said, on May 11, 2020 at 9:39 pm
  36. unca_chuck said, on May 12, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    The lighthouse code Willem Dafoe lived by was ridiculous at best. The highly klonky symbolism was just hysterical in that movie.

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