A Place To Talk About Giants Baseball

Pay This Man His Money

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 14, 2020

The call came out this morning from my main man in Reno, Pa Salon: “Where is the new content?” Sadly, just like the challenges the largest porn companies in LA are facing, even Big Flavor is having trouble producing content in this new Caronavirus troubled world. But, this is from Tampa Bay:

Screenshot 2020-05-14 at 6.43.57 AM

His argument is pretty flawed. He basis it mostly on it not being “worth it” to play for half of the 7 million he’s due this season. I appreciate his concern over getting “the rona” and his “bro” to article ratio is off the charts. But it doesn’t really make sense to me that there’s no way he’d play for 3.5 but he would for 7 mil. I mean, you seem deathly afraid of getting this shit, How is 3.5 more mil going to sway you?

Here’s the entire article if you want to bro-out and read it.

(going tinyurl.com just to keep it super real)


71 Responses

Subscribe to comments with RSS.

  1. zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 7:07 am

    Trevor Bauer in a video interview:
    “The ask is basically take more risk by getting back sooner and take less pay than we’ve already agreed. We’ve already agreed to take … 50 percent pay cut and now they’re asking us to take another pay cut,” Bauer said in the video. “(A 50-50 revenue split) has never been done in baseball. It’s not collectively bargained. It would just be for this season. It doesn’t sit well with me. Slightly lighthearted, but if I’m gonna have to trust my salary to Rob Manfred marketing the game to make more money for the game, I am out on that.”

  2. zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 7:12 am

    As Kuiper said the other day, the players are always framed as the bad guys in the negotiations, by the media. The narrative is always that the owners are ready to play ball, but the players are holding things up.

  3. zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 7:21 am

    Snell saying he’s ‘gotta get his money’ won’t play well with fans. The part where he talks about the dangers of the virus getting spread won’t get as much attention.

    • Flavor said, on May 14, 2020 at 7:37 am

      that was what drew me to this thread. He seems so worried about the dangers of the virus but there also seems to be a price tag he’s putting on the risk. In other words, what amount of pay is worth “risking his life”?

      • djloo27 said, on May 14, 2020 at 9:36 am

        A lot of people will have to make that choice.
        Many already have…

  4. zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 7:25 am

    A certain amount of the players are thinking “Hey, if we’re going to play ball in the middle of this pandemic, we’re not going to get screwed on our pay by the owners while we risk doing it.” The thought of that really irks those players.

  5. zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 7:26 am

    Expect the owners to pound away on the players and put the heat on in the media that the players are being the bad guys.

  6. willedav said, on May 14, 2020 at 7:38 am

    Snell hasn’t worked in 2 months, his employer will pay him half his $7mil salary for half a year’s work, at which time he is done and goes back into another 3 months plus of not working. yet it’s not worth it. Go drive for DoorDash then or join millions of rest of us who are unemployed.
    The safety issue seems to be way down list of things to be negotiated…so divide up what’s left of the pot and go from there..

    • willedav said, on May 14, 2020 at 7:51 am

      Reading through the story, he lost me at, “If the season happens, I want to be ready.” How does he figure it happens beyond whatever safety conditions exist for sports in America? He left town to go home and workout stay in shape or throw in order to come back and play here, not in Korea or Taiwan. It is what it is, a best case scenario which is chance for him to make a lot of $$$ in very short amount of time.

    • zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 7:58 am

      The players would have no idea what they will be paid, under the new proposal. Dividing 50% of X amount of total revenue, whatever X ends up being.

      • zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 8:00 am

        And, of course, as usual, the owners will never let the players see the accounting books.

      • willedav said, on May 14, 2020 at 8:28 am

        I understand the accounting issue is complicated but both sides have lawyers. Like I said earlier divide it up however you can as best deal you can get and go from there. Snell is talking about making $3.5 mil or a large portion of it for 3 months of work. That definitely reeks of the millionaires vs. billionaires argument and is pretty far away from reality for rest of us.

  7. chipower9 said, on May 14, 2020 at 7:49 am

    Again, just one more reason for me to say “Fuck ‘Em All.” At this point, I could give a flying-fuck if these greedy assholes get back to playing this year. I am more and more moving to feel just cancel the damned season, figure your shit out, and dial-it back-up next year.

  8. djloo27 said, on May 14, 2020 at 8:27 am

    People who get rich frequently lose touch with the common folk…

  9. alleykat69 said, on May 14, 2020 at 9:07 am

    Send out the bottom feeder baseball players for every organization to start the season.If they keel over with the virus in the first few weeks it’s not as big of loss as losing your star players.Then just shut it down for the season.
    I don’t see baseball at all this year, players&Owners can shove it up they’re asses, there both greedy as hell..

    • chipower9 said, on May 14, 2020 at 9:39 am

      LMAO, Kat. Reminds me of my days in the Air Force when we trained for chemical/biological attacks. When the “All Clear” was given, the lowest ranking Airman was the one who had to remove their mask to see if everything is OK.

      • alleykat69 said, on May 14, 2020 at 10:14 am

        Yeah I can see that Chi, Lol 😂
        It would be like Vietnam when the real uneducated guys would be in the front of line to go up a hill are in the paddy marsh..

  10. Bozo said, on May 14, 2020 at 9:27 am

    I’ve read various issues from the players. Some are afraid of their own health, others are more afraid about their families. I’ve also read where players don’t want to play in hot spot cities (that would seem to be ever changing as data continues to come in). Some of the players want to get tested daily but the owners don’t want to pay for that.
    Granted, pay is probably the main topic, but I think there are a lot more concerns that also need to be hashed out.

    What about work visas for players living outside the US? Even in the best of times that seems to be problematic. So would that be made easier for those guys, or would that be even more difficult?

    Again, will they have a minor league system going as well, or would MLB expand the rosters? Either way, that’s more personnel to be included in the thought process. MLB and MiLB still haven’t agreed on their new contract so how does that play out? Not to mention none of those guys in the bus leagues are making millions.

    So let’s see now, AL and NL Divisions combined, 14 team playoffs, DH for all teams and whatever new rules Manfred can shove into the contract (so much for those sacred records MLB was worried about during the steroid era). I guess not having to watch someone gum away on a hotdog will be a benefit for the fans who watch the games.
    For me, I think I’d rather watch Kevin Mitchell and Will Clark in a wiffleball championship rather than the round robin with softball rules being proposed by MLB.

    • chipower9 said, on May 14, 2020 at 9:40 am

      All the more reason to say fuck it, pull the plug on 2020, and plan for next year.

      • Bozo said, on May 14, 2020 at 9:56 am

        Yeah, I don’t see the point in playing out this year.

      • djloo27 said, on May 14, 2020 at 10:10 am

        Agree – unless we sign you know who…

      • chipower9 said, on May 14, 2020 at 11:44 am

        You know who? You must be referring to the Giant nemesis, The Wild Horse, Yasiel…

      • Bozo said, on May 14, 2020 at 12:16 pm

        How does that saying go?
        This little Puig went to market and this little Puig said no (to Miami)
        This little Puig ends up on the Giants, so Loo could skip like a maniac all the way home.

    • xoot said, on May 14, 2020 at 10:29 am

      I think the current rough-draft plans include expanding the 40-man to 60 and expanding the 26 to something else, with each team carrying a taxi squad of minor leaguers to cover for injuries and failures.

      re visas: I’m sure the president would be pleased to cure that problem by fiat. Big PR opportunity. In fact, I’ll bet he would start attending games about once a week — him and his cohort the only spectators. No crowd around to hiss and boo.

      • Bozo said, on May 14, 2020 at 12:24 pm

        Yeah, who needs work visas? They’d probably send Air Force one to pick those guys up and blame Obama for the fuel charge.

  11. dirtnrocksnomo said, on May 14, 2020 at 9:31 am

    BBOTD returning is the obvious choice in the search for daily content. Just sayin’ that there’s got to be some excellent corona themes out there just waiting for this moment of crisis in the Flavor Nation.

    Obviously Snell’s salary comments are the money quote but he raises valid concerns around health and safety as well as risk versus reward in the follow up portions of the article imo.

  12. alleykat69 said, on May 14, 2020 at 10:01 am

    First time in history
    We can be lying in front of are T.V.
    And do nothing.
    Let’s not screw it up..

  13. Flavor said, on May 14, 2020 at 10:14 am

    Big Tit Mike weighing in…..

    • unca_chuck said, on May 14, 2020 at 10:27 am

      You can catch his acting debut in Uncut Gems.

      • Flavor said, on May 14, 2020 at 12:33 pm

        saw it. Great movie, unfortunately he drafted into that. He was good.

      • unca_chuck said, on May 14, 2020 at 2:00 pm

        I spent the movie rooting for Sandler to get his ass kicked. Then I hoped he’d catch a break, but the ending was terrible.

  14. unca_chuck said, on May 14, 2020 at 10:22 am

    The bro shit aside, Snell does make a lot of sense. The owners are not risking anything if the players play. The players are risking their short-term, and possibly long-term health, the health of their families, and whatever pay cut they absorb. For the owners to put this on the players is yet another case of the haves fucking with the (relative of course) have-nots.

  15. alleykat69 said, on May 14, 2020 at 10:34 am

    Eventually, everyone will be quarantined in their houses with no sports to watch…
    And in 9 months from now a boom of babies will be born..
    And we will call then Coronials..

    • Winder said, on May 14, 2020 at 12:57 pm


  16. willedav said, on May 14, 2020 at 12:11 pm

    story from WSJ says MLB proposing multiple player tests of 24 hour variety per week. NO suspension of play should player test positive; instead he is quarantined and others monitored. MLB says they can do this without impacting testing outside of baseball; seems other sports intending to get going say the same thing.
    Full story on MLBTR too on this part of health issue.

  17. unca_chuck said, on May 14, 2020 at 1:57 pm

    Nice how it take an act of Congress for us regular folks to get fucking tested, but they can have ‘multiple’ tests available on demand for ballplayers. More fodder for the haves vs have-nots.

  18. Flavor said, on May 14, 2020 at 2:26 pm

    • xoot said, on May 14, 2020 at 2:35 pm

      • xoot said, on May 14, 2020 at 2:36 pm

        lucky guess on my part

  19. xoot said, on May 14, 2020 at 2:41 pm

    half of a season may not generate much revenue at first. You’d think it would snowball slowly and then hit the jackpot in the extended postseason, as the demand for commercial time and the cost for that time increase. But what if CV19 containment measures don’t work and the half-season has to be shut down before it turns a profit? I can see why mlb wants to hedge, from a purely economic viewpoint. But as others have well said above and on other threads, the players are taking the real risk.

  20. djloo27 said, on May 14, 2020 at 3:20 pm

    Francesa ‘s fallen in love with calling versatile players “Swiss army knives”
    Boomer Esiason says “way, shape or form” every 15 minutes…

  21. Stan Shell said, on May 14, 2020 at 3:22 pm

    You guys can see what a mess this is going to be. Testing every game for all/some/random players and what happens when the SS catches it? Anybody quarantined? What happens to the guy that slide hard into 2nd yesterday and got tangled with the SS? What about the fans? What about the minor leagues- – the same?
    Sure, the owners are all in on any sort of playing. Their are in no risk, they make some coin, and they don’t run afoul of Trump. Few big shots have the balls to tell him to go to hell. What about citizens who can’t get tested?
    Has anyone noticed how “protected” personnel like White House and CDC-types have gotten it?

    Until this country is flooded with reliable tests all this is bullshit.


    • djloo27 said, on May 14, 2020 at 3:35 pm

      It’s got nothing to do with Trump, Clubber…

      • zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 3:53 pm

        It has everything to do with Trump.

      • willedav said, on May 14, 2020 at 4:15 pm

        Or owners really. I think the whole “they don’t have any risk argument” is dumb. Of course they don’t in any sport ever; the idea is to create as safe an environment as possible and yes baseball will be “flooded with reliable tests” for all of them because it’s a necessity given work environment if baseball 2020 happens. The alternative is no baseball for anyone and players take normal risks shopping or whatever rest of us do.
        But by cancelling entire season no one makes any $$ at all except for small part 4% I think of salary. By trying to play at all without fans does cost ownership a decent pct., the daily gate plus whatever else would be spent in day at the yard, plus all the refunds to season ticket holders whose money they already had in bank.

      • willedav said, on May 14, 2020 at 4:18 pm

        no it doesn’t Zum. He doesn’t control the NBA (who likely universally despise him but still want to play) or golf or world soccer or college football. And he doesn’t control baseball either–billionaire owners are beyond his reach and will still be billionaire owners regardless of what happens in November.

      • zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 4:38 pm

        I was reading Loo’s statement as meaning the overall situation in the nation from the get-go on all of this. I could have read his meaning wrong.

      • xoot said, on May 14, 2020 at 4:47 pm

        trump wants baseball to return for his own campaign reasons. Also, he needs the support of republican billionaires, so he’ll be sure the federal government does everything possible to help the owners get what they want. If the players resist, he’ll be the first to take the side of capital versus labor. We’ll be hearing about Max Scherzer’s salary in the middle of a pandemic update.

  22. Stan Shell said, on May 14, 2020 at 3:24 pm

    “They are”


  23. djloo27 said, on May 14, 2020 at 3:32 pm

    CV might kill the shift…

  24. alleykat69 said, on May 14, 2020 at 3:40 pm

    Once they come out with a Coronavirus Vaccine
    I don’t want to see any of you antivaxxers getting one.
    Don’t be a hypocrite!

    • zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 3:56 pm

      There’s a meme going around now about “Karen, the anti-vaxxer soccer mom who wants to speak with the manager.”

      • zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 3:59 pm

  25. zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 4:03 pm

    • Flavor said, on May 14, 2020 at 5:11 pm

      I literally just found out what a Karen was yesterday

  26. willedav said, on May 14, 2020 at 5:11 pm

    If athletes do not want to play because they feel it’s unsafe or don’t care to isolate, fine I get that. Herm Edwards football coach at Arizona St. asked how if college is unsafe for instruction for its students to be on campus, then how is it safe for football players that need 6 weeks training before they start play? Legit argument imo.

    What I read today is at any business that will reopen or has been open, if you don’t want to go back for safety or health reasons you can still collect unemployment. Totally legit.

    And Boras argument that in past years owners have had no issue taking in profits and now when losses are sure to happen they want to make players share pain of that is also legit. But it’s all part of a negotiation process to get game restarted as best and safely as it can, a necessary agreement btw parties over how to split up $$$.

    Let’s not forget there are already states where ML teams play that are open or are about to reopen, with restrictions for safety in place.

    • Flavor said, on May 14, 2020 at 6:15 pm

      excellent call up above about the argument of the owners not having any risk, ever.

  27. Flavor said, on May 14, 2020 at 6:19 pm

    Owners are always going to have the upper hand in these situations and I’m fine with that. There has to be an owner, no matter how despicable they may be or ass backwards they may have fallen into money. They know who they are and most of them amassed their wealth as pieces of shit, at least in terms of caring about any of their fans.
    Look, if these guys decide they don’t want to play that’s totally cool, I don’t fault them for that. I don’t see them as the bad guys here, we’re in uncharted territory.

  28. Flavor said, on May 14, 2020 at 6:28 pm

    always suspicious of this guy, but something to consider as well

    • djloo27 said, on May 14, 2020 at 6:34 pm

      Is that 4 billion lost or 4 billion not made?

  29. xoot said, on May 14, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    “Two NFL cornerbacks are facing multiple charges after an incident at a party on Wednesday night in South Florida.

    “The New York Giants’ Deandre Baker and Seattle Seahawks’ Quinton Dunbar are each facing four counts of armed robbery with a firearm, while Baker is facing an additional four counts of aggravated assault with a firearm, after the two allegedly robbed guests at a party in Miramar, Florida, the Miramar police department said on Thursday.

    “. . . Baker and Dunbar were at a cookout at a home in the Miami area on Wednesday night, playing cards and video games, when an argument started. Baker then allegedly “whipped out a semi-automatic firearm.” Per the arrest warrant, Baker allegedly directed two other individuals, one of them Dunbar, to then start robbing the guests.

    “They allegedly took thousands of dollars in cash, several watches and other valuables from individuals at the party and threatened to shoot people before leaving the house.” Yahoo Sports, summarizing police tweets and TMZ, apparently

    • Flavor said, on May 14, 2020 at 8:32 pm

      Sure Gilbert Arenas wasn’t there?

  30. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 14, 2020 at 8:38 pm

    Two cornerbacks, huh, then their guns should only have been used for defensive purposes…

    • xoot said, on May 14, 2020 at 8:44 pm

      Ha! Maybe not if they blitz.

    • Macdog said, on May 14, 2020 at 8:45 pm

      Looks like Baker only does social distancing while playing cornerback.

  31. djloo27 said, on May 14, 2020 at 8:50 pm

    Hopefully they had the safety on the gun…

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on May 14, 2020 at 9:39 pm

      super lulz

  32. zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 9:16 pm

    “Art Howe, who led the Oakland A’s to three straight playoff appearances in the early 2000s, reportedly has been in a hospital’s intensive care unit since Tuesday.
    According to the NBC affiliate in Houston, the 73-year-old began feeling symptoms of COVID-19 on May 3. He went into isolation, and his symptoms worsened this week, leading to the hospital stay. Howe told the outlet he has seen some improvements in his health, but it’s been slow.”

  33. zumiee said, on May 14, 2020 at 9:32 pm

    I wonder how this will go.
    “NEW YORK — Lawyers for the baseball players’ union asked Major League Baseball to submit a slew of financial documents that detail the industry’s finances, a person familiar with the request told the Associated Press.”

  34. Macdog said, on May 14, 2020 at 10:28 pm

    Bob Watson has died at 74.

  35. unca_chuck said, on May 15, 2020 at 8:20 am

    Gambling losses were thought to be the reason the cornerbacks broke coverage.

Comments are closed.

%d bloggers like this: