Pay This Man His Money
The call came out this morning from my main man in Reno, Pa Salon: “Where is the new content?” Sadly, just like the challenges the largest porn companies in LA are facing, even Big Flavor is having trouble producing content in this new Caronavirus troubled world. But, this is from Tampa Bay:
His argument is pretty flawed. He basis it mostly on it not being “worth it” to play for half of the 7 million he’s due this season. I appreciate his concern over getting “the rona” and his “bro” to article ratio is off the charts. But it doesn’t really make sense to me that there’s no way he’d play for 3.5 but he would for 7 mil. I mean, you seem deathly afraid of getting this shit, How is 3.5 more mil going to sway you?
Here’s the entire article if you want to bro-out and read it.
(going tinyurl.com just to keep it super real)
A Place To Talk About Giants Baseball 
Trevor Bauer in a video interview:
“The ask is basically take more risk by getting back sooner and take less pay than we’ve already agreed. We’ve already agreed to take … 50 percent pay cut and now they’re asking us to take another pay cut,” Bauer said in the video. “(A 50-50 revenue split) has never been done in baseball. It’s not collectively bargained. It would just be for this season. It doesn’t sit well with me. Slightly lighthearted, but if I’m gonna have to trust my salary to Rob Manfred marketing the game to make more money for the game, I am out on that.”
As Kuiper said the other day, the players are always framed as the bad guys in the negotiations, by the media. The narrative is always that the owners are ready to play ball, but the players are holding things up.
Snell saying he’s ‘gotta get his money’ won’t play well with fans. The part where he talks about the dangers of the virus getting spread won’t get as much attention.
that was what drew me to this thread. He seems so worried about the dangers of the virus but there also seems to be a price tag he’s putting on the risk. In other words, what amount of pay is worth “risking his life”?
A lot of people will have to make that choice.
Many already have…
A certain amount of the players are thinking “Hey, if we’re going to play ball in the middle of this pandemic, we’re not going to get screwed on our pay by the owners while we risk doing it.” The thought of that really irks those players.
Expect the owners to pound away on the players and put the heat on in the media that the players are being the bad guys.
Snell hasn’t worked in 2 months, his employer will pay him half his $7mil salary for half a year’s work, at which time he is done and goes back into another 3 months plus of not working. yet it’s not worth it. Go drive for DoorDash then or join millions of rest of us who are unemployed.
The safety issue seems to be way down list of things to be negotiated…so divide up what’s left of the pot and go from there..
Reading through the story, he lost me at, “If the season happens, I want to be ready.” How does he figure it happens beyond whatever safety conditions exist for sports in America? He left town to go home and workout stay in shape or throw in order to come back and play here, not in Korea or Taiwan. It is what it is, a best case scenario which is chance for him to make a lot of $$$ in very short amount of time.
The players would have no idea what they will be paid, under the new proposal. Dividing 50% of X amount of total revenue, whatever X ends up being.
And, of course, as usual, the owners will never let the players see the accounting books.
I understand the accounting issue is complicated but both sides have lawyers. Like I said earlier divide it up however you can as best deal you can get and go from there. Snell is talking about making $3.5 mil or a large portion of it for 3 months of work. That definitely reeks of the millionaires vs. billionaires argument and is pretty far away from reality for rest of us.
Again, just one more reason for me to say “Fuck ‘Em All.” At this point, I could give a flying-fuck if these greedy assholes get back to playing this year. I am more and more moving to feel just cancel the damned season, figure your shit out, and dial-it back-up next year.
People who get rich frequently lose touch with the common folk…
Send out the bottom feeder baseball players for every organization to start the season.If they keel over with the virus in the first few weeks it’s not as big of loss as losing your star players.Then just shut it down for the season.
I don’t see baseball at all this year, players&Owners can shove it up they’re asses, there both greedy as hell..
LMAO, Kat. Reminds me of my days in the Air Force when we trained for chemical/biological attacks. When the “All Clear” was given, the lowest ranking Airman was the one who had to remove their mask to see if everything is OK.
Yeah I can see that Chi, Lol 😂
It would be like Vietnam when the real uneducated guys would be in the front of line to go up a hill are in the paddy marsh..
I’ve read various issues from the players. Some are afraid of their own health, others are more afraid about their families. I’ve also read where players don’t want to play in hot spot cities (that would seem to be ever changing as data continues to come in). Some of the players want to get tested daily but the owners don’t want to pay for that.
Granted, pay is probably the main topic, but I think there are a lot more concerns that also need to be hashed out.
What about work visas for players living outside the US? Even in the best of times that seems to be problematic. So would that be made easier for those guys, or would that be even more difficult?
Again, will they have a minor league system going as well, or would MLB expand the rosters? Either way, that’s more personnel to be included in the thought process. MLB and MiLB still haven’t agreed on their new contract so how does that play out? Not to mention none of those guys in the bus leagues are making millions.
So let’s see now, AL and NL Divisions combined, 14 team playoffs, DH for all teams and whatever new rules Manfred can shove into the contract (so much for those sacred records MLB was worried about during the steroid era). I guess not having to watch someone gum away on a hotdog will be a benefit for the fans who watch the games.
For me, I think I’d rather watch Kevin Mitchell and Will Clark in a wiffleball championship rather than the round robin with softball rules being proposed by MLB.
All the more reason to say fuck it, pull the plug on 2020, and plan for next year.
Yeah, I don’t see the point in playing out this year.
Agree – unless we sign you know who…
You know who? You must be referring to the Giant nemesis, The Wild Horse, Yasiel…
How does that saying go?
This little Puig went to market and this little Puig said no (to Miami)
This little Puig ends up on the Giants, so Loo could skip like a maniac all the way home.
I think the current rough-draft plans include expanding the 40-man to 60 and expanding the 26 to something else, with each team carrying a taxi squad of minor leaguers to cover for injuries and failures.
re visas: I’m sure the president would be pleased to cure that problem by fiat. Big PR opportunity. In fact, I’ll bet he would start attending games about once a week — him and his cohort the only spectators. No crowd around to hiss and boo.
Yeah, who needs work visas? They’d probably send Air Force one to pick those guys up and blame Obama for the fuel charge.
BBOTD returning is the obvious choice in the search for daily content. Just sayin’ that there’s got to be some excellent corona themes out there just waiting for this moment of crisis in the Flavor Nation.
Obviously Snell’s salary comments are the money quote but he raises valid concerns around health and safety as well as risk versus reward in the follow up portions of the article imo.
First time in history
We can be lying in front of are T.V.
And do nothing.
Let’s not screw it up..
Big Tit Mike weighing in…..
You can catch his acting debut in Uncut Gems.
saw it. Great movie, unfortunately he drafted into that. He was good.
I spent the movie rooting for Sandler to get his ass kicked. Then I hoped he’d catch a break, but the ending was terrible.
The bro shit aside, Snell does make a lot of sense. The owners are not risking anything if the players play. The players are risking their short-term, and possibly long-term health, the health of their families, and whatever pay cut they absorb. For the owners to put this on the players is yet another case of the haves fucking with the (relative of course) have-nots.
Eventually, everyone will be quarantined in their houses with no sports to watch…
And in 9 months from now a boom of babies will be born..
And we will call then Coronials..
Lol.
story from WSJ says MLB proposing multiple player tests of 24 hour variety per week. NO suspension of play should player test positive; instead he is quarantined and others monitored. MLB says they can do this without impacting testing outside of baseball; seems other sports intending to get going say the same thing.
Full story on MLBTR too on this part of health issue.
Nice how it take an act of Congress for us regular folks to get fucking tested, but they can have ‘multiple’ tests available on demand for ballplayers. More fodder for the haves vs have-nots.
lucky guess on my part
half of a season may not generate much revenue at first. You’d think it would snowball slowly and then hit the jackpot in the extended postseason, as the demand for commercial time and the cost for that time increase. But what if CV19 containment measures don’t work and the half-season has to be shut down before it turns a profit? I can see why mlb wants to hedge, from a purely economic viewpoint. But as others have well said above and on other threads, the players are taking the real risk.
Francesa ‘s fallen in love with calling versatile players “Swiss army knives”
Boomer Esiason says “way, shape or form” every 15 minutes…
You guys can see what a mess this is going to be. Testing every game for all/some/random players and what happens when the SS catches it? Anybody quarantined? What happens to the guy that slide hard into 2nd yesterday and got tangled with the SS? What about the fans? What about the minor leagues- – the same?
Sure, the owners are all in on any sort of playing. Their are in no risk, they make some coin, and they don’t run afoul of Trump. Few big shots have the balls to tell him to go to hell. What about citizens who can’t get tested?
Has anyone noticed how “protected” personnel like White House and CDC-types have gotten it?
Until this country is flooded with reliable tests all this is bullshit.
OSF
It’s got nothing to do with Trump, Clubber…
It has everything to do with Trump.
Or owners really. I think the whole “they don’t have any risk argument” is dumb. Of course they don’t in any sport ever; the idea is to create as safe an environment as possible and yes baseball will be “flooded with reliable tests” for all of them because it’s a necessity given work environment if baseball 2020 happens. The alternative is no baseball for anyone and players take normal risks shopping or whatever rest of us do.
But by cancelling entire season no one makes any $$ at all except for small part 4% I think of salary. By trying to play at all without fans does cost ownership a decent pct., the daily gate plus whatever else would be spent in day at the yard, plus all the refunds to season ticket holders whose money they already had in bank.
no it doesn’t Zum. He doesn’t control the NBA (who likely universally despise him but still want to play) or golf or world soccer or college football. And he doesn’t control baseball either–billionaire owners are beyond his reach and will still be billionaire owners regardless of what happens in November.
I was reading Loo’s statement as meaning the overall situation in the nation from the get-go on all of this. I could have read his meaning wrong.
trump wants baseball to return for his own campaign reasons. Also, he needs the support of republican billionaires, so he’ll be sure the federal government does everything possible to help the owners get what they want. If the players resist, he’ll be the first to take the side of capital versus labor. We’ll be hearing about Max Scherzer’s salary in the middle of a pandemic update.
“They are”
OSF
CV might kill the shift…
Once they come out with a Coronavirus Vaccine
I don’t want to see any of you antivaxxers getting one.
Don’t be a hypocrite!
There’s a meme going around now about “Karen, the anti-vaxxer soccer mom who wants to speak with the manager.”
I literally just found out what a Karen was yesterday
If athletes do not want to play because they feel it’s unsafe or don’t care to isolate, fine I get that. Herm Edwards football coach at Arizona St. asked how if college is unsafe for instruction for its students to be on campus, then how is it safe for football players that need 6 weeks training before they start play? Legit argument imo.
What I read today is at any business that will reopen or has been open, if you don’t want to go back for safety or health reasons you can still collect unemployment. Totally legit.
And Boras argument that in past years owners have had no issue taking in profits and now when losses are sure to happen they want to make players share pain of that is also legit. But it’s all part of a negotiation process to get game restarted as best and safely as it can, a necessary agreement btw parties over how to split up $$$.
Let’s not forget there are already states where ML teams play that are open or are about to reopen, with restrictions for safety in place.
excellent call up above about the argument of the owners not having any risk, ever.
Owners are always going to have the upper hand in these situations and I’m fine with that. There has to be an owner, no matter how despicable they may be or ass backwards they may have fallen into money. They know who they are and most of them amassed their wealth as pieces of shit, at least in terms of caring about any of their fans.
Look, if these guys decide they don’t want to play that’s totally cool, I don’t fault them for that. I don’t see them as the bad guys here, we’re in uncharted territory.
always suspicious of this guy, but something to consider as well
Is that 4 billion lost or 4 billion not made?
WTF?
“Two NFL cornerbacks are facing multiple charges after an incident at a party on Wednesday night in South Florida.
“The New York Giants’ Deandre Baker and Seattle Seahawks’ Quinton Dunbar are each facing four counts of armed robbery with a firearm, while Baker is facing an additional four counts of aggravated assault with a firearm, after the two allegedly robbed guests at a party in Miramar, Florida, the Miramar police department said on Thursday.
“. . . Baker and Dunbar were at a cookout at a home in the Miami area on Wednesday night, playing cards and video games, when an argument started. Baker then allegedly “whipped out a semi-automatic firearm.” Per the arrest warrant, Baker allegedly directed two other individuals, one of them Dunbar, to then start robbing the guests.
“They allegedly took thousands of dollars in cash, several watches and other valuables from individuals at the party and threatened to shoot people before leaving the house.” Yahoo Sports, summarizing police tweets and TMZ, apparently
Sure Gilbert Arenas wasn’t there?
Two cornerbacks, huh, then their guns should only have been used for defensive purposes…
Ha! Maybe not if they blitz.
Looks like Baker only does social distancing while playing cornerback.
Hopefully they had the safety on the gun…
super lulz
“Art Howe, who led the Oakland A’s to three straight playoff appearances in the early 2000s, reportedly has been in a hospital’s intensive care unit since Tuesday.
According to the NBC affiliate in Houston, the 73-year-old began feeling symptoms of COVID-19 on May 3. He went into isolation, and his symptoms worsened this week, leading to the hospital stay. Howe told the outlet he has seen some improvements in his health, but it’s been slow.”
I wonder how this will go.
“NEW YORK — Lawyers for the baseball players’ union asked Major League Baseball to submit a slew of financial documents that detail the industry’s finances, a person familiar with the request told the Associated Press.”
Bob Watson has died at 74.
Gambling losses were thought to be the reason the cornerbacks broke coverage.