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Baseball Is Striking Itself Out

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on May 28, 2020

I posted Scherzer’s comment last night about the grid lock on the negotiations for baseball re-starting. It was a sad and discouraging post. It took longer to hit me than it did for others but I’m now starting to think we aren’t getting baseball this year. This sucks, this is a game that COULD happen right now with the right precautions. Hell, they are playing baseball ALL OVER THE WORLD right now.

But these guys couldn’t put it together.

Gonna be staring out that window a lot longer this year.

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  1. zumiee said, on May 28, 2020 at 8:30 am

    Regarding the virus, the U.S. is not like other countries. We’re, by far, the worst. Trump has turned something as basic as wearing a mask to a grocery store into a partisan political battle.

  2. Winder said, on May 28, 2020 at 8:43 am

    The dumbing down of America is in full swing. Add all the racial tensions and the pandemic we are pretty much screwed. I love the game of baseball more than any other game but at the moment it seems pretty inconsequential. The freedoms that our forefathers worked and fought for and are currently being fought for are sorely being tested and ignored. Sensible people should get out and vote this year or we are going to be fucked once more. That’s my buzzkill post of the day

    • Flavor said, on May 28, 2020 at 9:48 am

      I’ve said this for years: Trump will not leave office willingly. And now he’s planting that stupid seed of doubt with the mail in ballots. I am nearly positive we are fucked with him for a second term

      • willedav said, on May 28, 2020 at 10:27 am

        Can’t see how the anti mail in stuff can work. His own ditzy spokesperson gal has voted that way for years. Biden should be locked in his basement as much as possible and let incumbent continue to cook his own goose. More of his own supporters are turning on him, publicly, and his economy isn’t something to run on any more.

      • Flavor said, on May 28, 2020 at 10:30 am

        it only has to work in the sense that he creates enough confusion and doubt that his repubtard cohorts band together and figure out a way to constitutionally challenge the election results.

      • Stan Shell said, on May 28, 2020 at 12:11 pm

        If Trump gets a second term he will be the last president this country will get. What if Hitler never invaded Russia and, instead focused on Britain? The he, Russia and possibly the US would divide the world up and that would be it for the 20th century. One of my life-long hobbies is to read all I can about the lead -up to 1940 Germany. The comparison to Trump’s reign is scary. The armed “patriots” you see in Michigan and Oregon are the prelude to Trump’s S.A. Mitch McConnel is Hindenburg who turned over the country to Hitler……………..End of rant.

      • djloo27 said, on May 28, 2020 at 2:31 pm

        The irony is that he didn’t want to be President any more than Melania wanted to be First Lady.
        Now he has no choice.
        He ruined his great easy life…

  3. willedav said, on May 28, 2020 at 9:07 am

    OSF, here’s some good news for you per Chron today:
    “UCSD launched its ‘Return to Learn’ program may 11, an effort to broadly test students, faculty and staff…School officials started with 100 tests per day the first week, doubled that total last week and hope to conduct 400 tests daily this week.
    If the project works as planned, they would expand to 1,500 daily tests in the fall, potentially allowing the campus to reopen for in-person classes and activities.”
    Positive vibrations!

  4. Flavor said, on May 28, 2020 at 10:30 am

    uh oh.

    • alleykat69 said, on May 28, 2020 at 10:35 am

      Doesn’t make the A’s as stupid as people think.All teams are following they’re lead..

      • Flavor said, on May 28, 2020 at 11:01 am

        I’d hold off on changing the call on their intelligence until more info comes out. The A’s didn’t pay their rent. And they weren’t releasing these guys they were just not going to pay them. Both of their acts were unconscionable

  5. Flavor said, on May 28, 2020 at 10:36 am

    I must not be understanding this *releasing minor leaguers* tactic. They’re the cheapest to maintain. And why would you willingly destroy your minor league system, something that is critical to your success? These aren’t fucking hot dog salesmen in the stands….

  6. willedav said, on May 28, 2020 at 11:16 am

    Elsewhere in Heyman tweets he mentions looming contractions of minor leagues. Giants have at least one team below A ball San Jose, in Augusta and more teams below that too I believe. Fewer teams/more players in competition for coveted spots even at bottom feeder levels is win win for ownership. How many guys even at San Jose will ever make it to MLB? There are the few top guys and rest are fillers in and reserves…
    Heyman did say there are teams committed to paying minor leaguers through June and in some cases the whole season.

  7. gianthead said, on May 28, 2020 at 11:17 am

    Im just going to believe it is a negotiating tactic and the owners counter larer this week with a little more than 50-50 split and demonstrate to the players the financials of no stadium revenue affecting their bottom line. Same time owners should not be thinking about anything else but just staying even and not trying to make a profit this season and gear towards a full return in operating revenue next year.

  8. gianthead said, on May 28, 2020 at 11:35 am

    Some Lotte Giants action on espn 2 now….obviously not live.

  9. Bozo said, on May 28, 2020 at 11:47 am

    Does anyone know what ‘s up with the TV deals? Are teams continuing to get those huge bucks or have those contracts been cancelled and/or renegotiated?
    If the owners are going to lose so much money and it’s this big of a hassle , why do they want to do it? I think I’m missing something here.

    • Flavor said, on May 28, 2020 at 12:26 pm

      I’m assuming the TV deals start getting paid out as soon as they start playing ball again.

      • Bozo said, on May 28, 2020 at 2:31 pm

        Sounds about right, although I really hadn’t heard anything about those revenues (only the loss of revenue from empty stadiums). I found this USA Today article https://tinyurl.com/y7h4ft6z and it points out that, “Yet, the owners also would be guaranteed $777 million in postseason TV revenue, which would be inflated to about $1 billion with the postseason format expanded to 14 teams instead of 10. The owners have discussed sharing a portion of the money with the players.” . Kinda sounds to me like the owners are leaving a huge chunk of money out of the negotiations.

  10. unca_chuck said, on May 28, 2020 at 11:50 am

    Once again the owners, much like 94-95, feel like they can put anything out on the field and call it major league baseball.

    • xoot said, on May 28, 2020 at 3:13 pm

      Boras client Scherzer, whose 2020 salary was supposed to be some $35 M, I believe, is, according to some news report Flavor put up, lobbying union members to follow the Boras lead. Boras wants his cut! I wonder how many guys making the mlb minimum are Boras clients.

      • Macdog said, on May 28, 2020 at 3:33 pm

        Another player chimes in:

  11. xoot said, on May 28, 2020 at 3:04 pm

    Anyone interested in trump’s hysterical response to Twitter — i.e., the bizarre Executive Order he signed today trying to punish social media sites — might want to read this lengthy but excellent article. The author cranked it out overnight after the WH released a draft of the EO. Impressive work. The legal discussion is sophisticated but readable.


    • xoot said, on May 28, 2020 at 3:06 pm

      I think Twitter should just kick trump off the site for his fraud and dishonesty and viciousness. That would be funny. Half the daily news stories about him would vanish. Instantly.

    • Flavor said, on May 28, 2020 at 3:31 pm

      does his executive order have any chance of making an impact? Or did he just fire that off to scare twitter into not fact checking his bullshit anymore?

      • xoot said, on May 28, 2020 at 3:46 pm

        title of the article I linked: The Two Things To Understand About Trump’s Executive Order On Social Media: (1) It’s A Distraction (2) It’s Legally Meaningless

        trump’s going after Twitter, facebook, Google, et alia. They all have armies of very good lawyers. His EO will go down in the courts, when they want it to go down. As the author of the article notes, the EO has been in the works for a long time. Also, as the author notes, the main Supreme Court opinion that dooms trump’s approach came down just last summer — written by rapist manque Brett Kavanaugh and signed onto by the other four right-wingers. I have no idea what trump’s idiots think they’re doing.

      • zumiee said, on May 28, 2020 at 3:55 pm

        He’s trying to distract from his sinking poll numbers.

      • xoot said, on May 28, 2020 at 3:58 pm

        by accelerating them? trump’s seriously out of control and nobody near him can do anything about it but abet.

    • snarkk said, on May 28, 2020 at 3:52 pm

      The base principle is that these web social media platforms are of private companies, they aren’t suddenly made into an arm of the government (which must adhere to the first amendment in terms of being proscribed from limiting free speech) just because they provide a forum for blather. The blather is subject to reasonable regulation by the web platform; like dropping a link to those who are interested to see that the subject post is a blatant lie. Or, kick the poster off the platform for violation of reasonable rules. Does anyone think that because BF has provided us with a forum for our baseball and non-baseball blather here, that by doing so he can’t regulate our posts, or kick our butts off of here, or that WordPress could not for violation of its rules? This Drumpf exec order is nothing but the latest, daily hot air distraction from his ongoing disastrous handling of Covid; his latest cry of victimhood. Where is the Covid Task Force? Once Drumpf was looking like an idiot every day on those “news” conferences (hey, why not inject bleach?), they got cancelled, and the Task Force must be in hiding. We’ve got 50 states doing 50 different approaches to this epidemic, it’s an absolute mess leading to people dying who shouldn’t. Rome’s Nero had a fiddle; our Nero has his Tweets…

      • xoot said, on May 28, 2020 at 3:57 pm

        trump’s in-house lawyers apparently think so. You might like the article’s swift discussion of the pertinent USSCt precedent.

      • djloo27 said, on May 28, 2020 at 4:02 pm

        Where did Fauci go?

      • snarkk said, on May 28, 2020 at 4:13 pm

        Into Drumpf Detox…

      • snarkk said, on May 28, 2020 at 4:17 pm

        Facebook’s hands-off policy of allowing blatant political lie adverstisements and doctored vids onto its site is strictly a money grab. Disgusting. It could edit or bar or disclaim that content very easily under the SCOTUS cases. Social media has turned into a nearly unfettered propaganda device; which the Russkies knew well very early on, and which Drumpf’s Ministry of Propaganda has used to great advantage, until just the last day or so…

  12. zumiee said, on May 28, 2020 at 3:41 pm

    The press conference held by Minneapolis officials today was full of the usual blather that black people have heard a zillion times from officials in these situations.
    Rarely are charges ever brought against police officers, and it’s extremely rare for officers to be found guilty.
    The officer that murdered Oscar Grant served less than a year in jail. The charges had been reduced to involuntary manslaughter.
    What a farce.

  13. willedav said, on May 28, 2020 at 3:57 pm

    fwiw, saw Mayor Breed outline proposed re-opening of retail and restaurants with customers (limited) allowed inside as of June 13 in SF. Unfortunately, hair salons a month out from that though she added sweetener it could be adjusted if conditions are met yada yada.
    Here’s hoping surrounding counties can follow this lead if not propel it forward.

  14. xoot said, on May 28, 2020 at 4:40 pm

    whoa. Buster weighs in on the owners/players disputes.

    • zumiee said, on May 28, 2020 at 4:59 pm

      The owners never want to talk about how their teams increase in value over the years as an investment. It rarely comes up in the media except when an owner is selling.

    • Bozo said, on May 28, 2020 at 6:37 pm

      Ehrenberg brings up some great points. Thanks for posting this, Xoot.

  15. willedav said, on May 28, 2020 at 5:25 pm

    Couple interesting things in the proposal and players response.
    In the owners proposal, no mention of expanded to 14 team playoffs.
    Players are OK with playing 100 games, which would possibly extend length of season and mean more $$ for all..

  16. djloo27 said, on May 28, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    Flavor: I guess you heard about Nadal
    For me it’s a flashback to Hoist The Flag who was destined for immortality.
    At least they both survived…

  17. alleykat69 said, on May 28, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    I’m so bored figuring they’re isn’t going to be a baseball season, I’m watching Wizard of Oz!
    And I even looked up Toto’s death( dog was actually named Terry and was in 3 other films besides the classic)
    Born 1932 died 1945 that’s 91 years in doggy age! God I need a Life!!!

    • zumiee said, on May 28, 2020 at 7:48 pm

      It kind of amazes me that Judy Garland was only 4’11” as an adult. She’s such a dynamic performer that she seems bigger than that. Plus, of course, all the tricks they can do in movies to make people look taller.

      • djloo27 said, on May 28, 2020 at 8:21 pm

        They needed someone who wouldn’t intimidate the munchkins…

  18. mrsprtdude said, on May 28, 2020 at 7:46 pm

    Great points. I became an equity owner (a %) of my PT clinic. Why would I do that? To run it well enough to have it go up in value. An investment I have some control over, while getting profit distributions along the way. A risk. I took out a 2nd mortgage. The business has increased in value, until now. If my company goes under (unlikely now but a real thing 6 weeks ago) I lose it all. But assuming things turn around i will get paid for taking the risk. The owners want to get paid via increased value. Now they have to take some of the weight. Thanks for posting!

  19. alleykat69 said, on May 28, 2020 at 8:40 pm

    Loo,Zumie Did you know they’re was 124 midgets (Munchkins) in the Wizard of Oz?
    Seems incredible u could find that many for that movie. I wonder if the studio just fed them a short stack of pancakes all the time for breakfast?

    • djloo27 said, on May 28, 2020 at 8:51 pm

      Weren’t they a bunch of drunks?
      I recently heard Frank Morgan played 5 different parts in the movie.
      I only know 3 of them…

  20. chipower9 said, on May 29, 2020 at 7:00 am

    Here in El Dorado county, restaurants started opening a couple of weeks ago. I still have not ventured into one…wanted to give it a couple of weeks to see how things went. Our county is rampant with trumpsters. Some businesses (owned by trumpsters) are thumbing their nose at the authorities over things like masks being required, continued social distancing, etc. No way in hell I visit one of their establishments, again. They can all get the fucking virus as far as I am concerned.

    In Sacramento county (Folsom), my daughter re-opens her salon on Monday. I am hopeful that a majority of her clients come back, and think they will. She really busted her ass to open her own place, and make it the successful business it was, pre-covid.

    Mike – tried to check-out the article you linked, but no dice. Can you repost the link?

  21. alleykat69 said, on May 29, 2020 at 4:54 pm

    Just curious,is they’re ever a riot if a white guy gets killed in a bad situation with police?Are is always just a black thing?

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