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Speed Season

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 13, 2020

One way to look at a 48 game season: every game will be critical. Maybe the games get managed differently? The players play with more urgency? Does every game feel like a post season game? I’m just throwing that out there.

Of course there’s no legitimacy to a season that isn’t even a 1/3 of a normal season (if they go with 48). But that could work in the favor of hilarity if the Dodgers were to finally win it all. I’d chuckle at that, watching their fans celebrate a fake end to 3 decades of futility.

Anyway, it sounds like we’re getting baseball even if it has to be shoved down out throat. Might as well figure out a way to enjoy it…..

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  1. alleykat69 said, on June 13, 2020 at 7:20 am

    As GI Jane said to her master chief as she was getting the crap beat out of her.
    Suck my dick!! That’s what I think about the Dodgers winning any W/S championship shorten season are not!!
    I’m still for canceling this stupid ass greed filled season between owners and players, baseball is NOT a essential need like the people risking their lives daily to keep are country safe!
    These crybaby players and owners think everything is ENTITLED to them all, well fans boycotting games in droves would put an end to they’re pettiness and get a salary cap in place!! Same shitstorm is going to happen in 3 years when the CBA is back on the table with another strike a possibility, oh joy.

    • Flavor said, on June 13, 2020 at 7:31 am

      3 years? The CBA expires Dec 2021

    • Paul Yesser said, on June 13, 2020 at 7:44 am

      Good call I’m with you. Lets hope we lose every game and maybe with the 1st pick next year we pick a front line PITCHER. The best thing about this draft is it exposed Z and Michael Holmes.and Gabe Kapler. We now know they they have no real plan or vision. The Giants will never go far with these guys in control.

      • Flavor said, on June 13, 2020 at 10:13 am

        Um wtf are out talking about? You know how this draft class is gonna work out already? Oh right, the scouting director was doing his buddies a bunch of favors. Got it.

  2. alleykat69 said, on June 13, 2020 at 7:43 am

    My bad… Actually makes it worse when nothing gets done sooner..

  3. xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 8:08 am

    About once every year, sort of like glancing at old photos of a great fishing trip, I like to compare the PS records of Sabean and beane, from 97 on (when they both arrived here). a’s fans used to say the Giants would never win anything with Sabean and Bochy in charge. Talk about decades of futility.

  4. willedav said, on June 13, 2020 at 8:10 am

    I hope we get at least that many games even if it’s only 70 ish, for lot of reasons. #1 would be chance for Giants newer guys like Dubon and Davis, plus Bart, to get in there vs. real competition. Hopefully we see way more of Yaz Dickerson and J Davis than Billy Hamilton Pence and Darrin Ruf. Wilmer Flores OK too.
    #2 is Kapler needs to see what he has and get a chance to see what he can do with it; the offense defense and pitching. At that point he can go to Z/Harris and say look this is what we need more of, and less of around for 2021.

  5. Bozo said, on June 13, 2020 at 8:16 am

    I think I’d chuckle like ol’ St Nick if LA lost in the 1st round.

  6. willedav said, on June 13, 2020 at 8:28 am

    xoot, here’s Beane and post season since 2010 when Giants were just getting going:
    2010 lost 81 2011 lost 88 so no post season
    2012 2-3 lost ALDS
    2013 2-3 lost ALDS
    2014 0-1 lost WC note
    2015 lost 94 2016 lost 93 2017 lost 87 so no post season
    2018 0-1 lost WC
    2019 0-1 lost WC
    bottom line 4 Ws 9 Ls played 5 post season series and lost them all

    • xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 8:35 am

      good snapshot. I also like to compare the total number of PS-game wins since 97. Those 9, 11, 11 and 12 win PSs for the Giants really add up. Superficial? Maybe. But man those were some big fish.

  7. Winder said, on June 13, 2020 at 8:45 am

    Just my 2 cents, I would love to see some baseball. Even if it were AAA ball. If nothing else we might get to see how much heart our Giants play with. To me that is the first step to winning.

  8. xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 9:22 am

    a 48 game season would be like some sort of free-for-all first-round of a PS. wtf. Let’s see the kids play.

  9. alleykat69 said, on June 13, 2020 at 9:57 am

    Players union expected to reject MLB proposal of a 72 game season with players receiving 80% of they’re pro-rated salaries..

    • Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2020 at 10:01 am

      Union turns that down and it would be like cutting off their nose to spite their face. What gives? Are they getting some kinda silky sweet-talk from their greed-driven agents, or are they just being dumb jocks?

  10. Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2020 at 9:59 am

    Looks like the Giants and Royals are going all in during the $20K secondary draft tomorrow. Meanwhile,, teams like the Marlinspikes and Mariners are hanging tight. Who knows? Maybe SF will pick a gem or two outta the scrum and scramble for low-low bucks…Most likely overlooked college seniors who feel they have what it takes to ultimately make it to The Show.

    • Winder said, on June 13, 2020 at 10:16 am

      That is gonna be interesting. I imagine there will be quite a few players betting on themselves. Wonderful trait.

  11. xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 10:13 am

    I think I saw a tweet about Darren Baker being disappointed that he wasn’t drafted yesterday, but optimistic about returning to Cal for his senior year. He’s still a little guy. 2B.

    Also, Baggarly’s going wild with anti-owner tweets. This morning, he called Manfred a “soulless labor lawyer.” I suggested that the correct technical term is “soulless management-side labor lawyer.”

    • Macdog said, on June 13, 2020 at 10:37 am

      Ha, I saw that too. He was even harder on Bowie Kuhn: “. . . that five-headed dolt Bowie Kuhn, who was literally on the wrong side of history every time he let fetid air vibrate across his larynx.”

      • xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 10:49 am

        I didn’t see that one. He’s letting it rip, with no games or players to write about.

      • Bozo said, on June 13, 2020 at 11:47 am

        Bowie Kuhn the tax evader? The guy that banned Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle from baseball after their playing days? What could Baggs say bad about that festering carbuncle?

  12. alleykat69 said, on June 13, 2020 at 10:30 am

    Rob Manfred is a “Faceless Puppet” who is ruining the game we all use to enjoy!!
    He needs to be forced out of baseball.He’s about as useless as tits on a bull..

  13. Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2020 at 10:37 am

    “A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest” –Bob Dylan.

    . Snarkk: Yesterday you posted a link to ‘Atlantic Magazine’ featuring a post from one Adam Serwer, who happens to be their staff writer on politics. Though I have not done a web-search on that writer, I do have a premonition that he follows an agenda rather than remaining objectively open to all points of view.

    His take on Robert E. Lee precisely follows an agenda well described by Gilad Atzmon: “fueling a race conflict is the worst possible path toward eliminating both racism and discrimination. Such a tactic will only deepen the divide that already splits the working class. I wonder whether this divide is exactly what the American left is trying to achieve: is this possibly what it is paid to do?”

    Atzmon, in my opinion, is one of those independent-minded truth-seeking Jewish visionaries whose points of view tend to be universalist as against exclusivist…much like this era’s great prophet, Bob Dylan. The article, from which these quotes are drawn, appeared in the 6-12 posting on Unz Review–a most universalist site.

    Atzmon further states: “America’s left and progressive institutions are supported financially by Wall $treet and global financiers. This funding means that, in practice,, the American left operates as a controlled opposition. It maintains its relevance by sustaining social and racial tensions that draw attention away from Wall $treet and its crimes.”

    The aforementioned agenda is further explicated by Paul Craig Roberts, former Undersecretary of the Treasury on his website, also on 6-12: “The new word for racist is white. By definition a white person is a racist.”

    Divide and conquer: Divide and Rule. The financial elite and their media minions closely adhere to Julius Caesar’s formula for social control over subject populations. Face it. Atlantic Magazine has long been a mouthpiece for the Eastern Establishment.

    “Money does not talk. It swears”. –Dylan

    • xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 10:52 am

      Stix, if you’re familiar with Ibram Kendi’s recent book, How to Be an Antitracist, I’d like to hear your view. He’s black, of course, and he recounts how he realized that his views were, in many ways, racist. He now posits that there are only two possible approaches: either you’re racist or you’re antiracist. The latter takes a lot of vigilance and self-examination, 24/7, here in the USA. Makes sense to me. (I’m simplifying, natch.)

      • xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 10:59 am

        Also, that Murder Most Foul is a strange trip. Once it dives deeply into musical visions, I like it. Not for the faint, though.

      • Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2020 at 11:54 am

        Xoot: Thanks for the heads-up on Kendi. Haven’t read it. Down on it for my bucket-list when circumstances allow. Having dwelt for most of the last 4 years amidst a population which varied from 30 to 45% black, I became acquainted with both reverse-racists and anti-racists among them. The Federal incarceration experience is quite the finishing school on interracial relationships.

        Perhaps the first marker was the chowhall, where the vast majority of blacks, perhaps 75% of the small group of Hispanics and a smattering of whites opted to seat themselves on one side of the semi-divided hall, while most whites, nearly every Native American and essentially all of us using wheelchairs and walkers who were able to find accomodative table found seating on the other side.. Mutual self-segregation. Comfort zones.

        Within the unit there was quite a bit of blending,with most of the 30 y.o.+ blacks seeking out friendships or at least acquaintances with whites they vibed to be non-racist. Among the younger set, fresh off the mean streets of Chicago and Detroit (for the most part) there was very little social blending. The ‘tudes’ ran deep and sometimes heavy. Curiously among the “deucer” (k-2) addicts, there was a social subset made up of a majority of mostly younger streetblacks along with a not unconsiderable minority of hillbilly types from mountain areas of Kentucky, West Virginia, Eastern Tennessee and Virginia.

        Two black guys, one in his early 30’s who came from Baltimore and the other in his early 70’s from Dayton, Ohio, tended towards forms of black nationalism. Neither of them exactly hated Whitey on a person by person basis, but both envisioned a future in which the European-ancestered were gradually subsumed into a coffee-au-lait complexion due to blackmen poonging white “bitches and ho’s”…a long-term strategy, I’d guess.

        That latter attitude was far more prevalent among the street-set, some of whom were so far into it that they refused to look any Caucasian in the eye. Perhaps the most extreme in that set was a guy from southside Chicago, who had relocated to Sioux City, Iowa and happened to catch his case there. On one occasion, addressing his “posse”, he used the infamous “N” word, with diverse meanings and inflections, more times in a five minute period that I had heard in northern Minnesota over the past ten years.

        So perhaps my take on all of this is that reverse racism is more prevalent in portions of the black community than (at least openly) amongst the currently largest population metric in America. This metastasizing attitude is only exacerbated by the machinations of uber-agents like George $oro$, the founder and primary funder of the organization (NOT movement) of paid shit-stirrers advancing the banner of “Black Lives Matter”. ALL lives matter, absolutely including those whose ancestors were brought here in chains. Making the implicit claim that only one specific racial metric “matters” is sheer racism writ large.

      • Winder said, on June 13, 2020 at 12:20 pm

        Gangs are all about the money also. It’s the machismo that is dangerous. Never quite sure what’s gonna happen.

    • unca_chuck said, on June 13, 2020 at 11:24 am

      Progressive institutions supported by Wall Street? Nope. A bridge too far. The globalist illuminati trilateralist nonsense is just that. Nonsense. Might as well join the IOOF. At least they preach unity and fellowship.

      The upper echelon of the left may very well want Trump to win, for obvious reasons, but to say the left at large is sowing division throughout the country through race is ludicrous. Not with Trump’s very obvious machinations.

      • Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2020 at 12:11 pm

        Unca: Don’t take my word for subsidized voices on the left. Do your own research via alternative mediums. Perhaps you should begin such a quest by means of a thoroughgoing examination into the totally private ownership of the cleverly (and deeply semantically) named “Federal” Reserve Bank. That institution is totally privately owned by the very highest elements of the financier elite.

        Exposure of that chicanery came about via many investigators, most prominently Charles Lindbergh, the elder, during that era the Congressman representing the 6th District of Minnesota and Louis McFadden, during a slightly later era, the Head of the House Banking and Currency Committee.

        More recently, the former long-term Congressman Ron Paul, from Sugarland, Texas–just outside Houston– attempted time and again to induce the House to “audit the Fed”. Highest # of reps he could ever get in that stacked-deck of a scene was around 125 non-blackmailed Representatives. Now why would the House NOT choose to do such an audit.? After all, the Constitution determined that the “representatives” of the sovereign power, WE THE PEOPLE, have full responsibility over this ruptured republic’s money supply.

        It would appear to any objective observer that there is a power far greater than that remaining in the febrile hands of WE THE PEOPLE…and call them what you may, that power absolutely exists.

  14. unca_chuck said, on June 13, 2020 at 11:12 am

    Speed season? That was May to June my senior year in high school. I had to cram 9 months of school work into 6 weeks.

    • xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 11:17 am

      wow. Flavor’s line reminded me of speed chess.

  15. Flavor said, on June 13, 2020 at 11:19 am

    8 years ago today.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2020 at 11:23 am

      Hurling a Perfecto significantly lowers the chances that you are likely to get “Cained” this go-round.

  16. Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2020 at 11:20 am

    Xoot: Southern secession was, no doubt, ignited by hot-head slaveholders in the Deep South. In the five states which joined the Confederacy post- Fort Sumter, the motivation for their accession to secession was more nuanced, including both the elements of pro-slavery and states-rights.

    As you infer, balanced analysis as against partisan ideology definitely requires a lot of vigilance and self-examination. One of my meta-political theories is that this ruptured republic desperately needs ambulatory white-blood-cells, as it were: individuals who are not ideologically driven, but who are willing to adjust their perspectives based on probability-factoring amidst the explosion in new data which so characterizes this present era.

    It is most unfortunate that the mass of our fellow citizens are so strapped for time, with most everybody in urban America mired in the rat-race, that they mostly take the easy way out after a stressed-out day and thus are unable to seek out alternative sources to the corporate propaganda-mill mass media. Ergo, it is mostly up to those of us who are no longer ensconced within the day-to-day struggle to ferret out bits and pieces of genuine reality (probability-based) and subsequently share a synthesization of our discoveries with our less time-blessed brethren and sisteren.

    • xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 11:37 am

      Well, I’ve certainly opened my mind since I formally retired. I also have more time to spend watching baseball . . ..

      As to Murder Most Foul, just the other day NYT published an interview with Dylan. Not everyone can get into the NYT for free, so I’ll post the R. Stone article about the article. (NYT link is there, of course.) As ever, the man’s fascinating. (If you’ve seen this, sorry for the overload.)


      • Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2020 at 12:15 pm

        Xoot: Multi obligatto (in my own form of pig-Latin) for the links. Greatly looking forward to “the words of the prophets are heard…”

    • xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 1:46 pm

      Stix, your prison account, above, is bracing. Authentic, perceptive. As always, well and stylishly written. I expect your mail to arrive today or Monday.

  17. Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2020 at 12:22 pm

    Winder: Got your welcome contribution in the mail today. Many thanks. Also much obliged for the stamps, as attempting to negotiate Bill Gates’ p.c. monopoly has been nothing but frustrating in activating e.m. connexions. Perhaps the Weird Press interpolation also added to the interference pattern which is a bit much for my septuagenerian sensibilities.

    Been sending off a lot of letters lately. Snailmail will be my fate till nephew assists me in landing a user-friendly Apple desktop–likely including a keyboard which will not induce frequent blue language from sheer frustration with this fill-in “acer”.

    The Beatles said it best: “We get by with a little help from our friends. We get…”

    • Winder said, on June 13, 2020 at 1:26 pm

      Glad it made it.

  18. Stan Shell said, on June 13, 2020 at 12:42 pm

    Stix, I’m not sure I can go along with George Soros being an uber bad guy. He’s blamed for so much bullshit from the right that any sketchy stuff he may be responsible for is buried under that pile of BS. What specifically did he do wrong?


    • unca_chuck said, on June 13, 2020 at 3:21 pm

      He’s a straw man. The Koch bros (-1) are actively evil.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on June 13, 2020 at 3:31 pm

      Stan: If you delve in deeply enough you will discover that $oro$ father was a well-to-do and very well connected Jewish attorney in Budapest. His connexions included both Zionist organizers and the Arrow-Cross Hungarian fascists who happened to be all hot to trot to aid the Nazis in their 1944 deportation scheme for something like 400,000 Jewish Hungarians who did not happen to be well-connected. $oro$ father–can’t recall the original surname off the top, played all sides in this tragedy. Some implicate him in greasing the deportations–something like the fixers in Poland who comprised the ever so cooperative “Judenrat”. But my jury is still out on that one. Not enough proof available as of my four years ago researches.

      What we do know is that apparently $oro$ pere’s connexions were such that Georgie boy as an near penniless 14 y.o. refugee was admitted into Britain (an amazing feat many would have like to have shared)and was quickly ensconced in some pretty toney British educational institutions, including, should my memory glands not be sagging overmuch, the London School of Economics. It seems like the skids were greased quite well for him. After getting his degree and such, the “fortunate son” (see Creedence) was enabled to make his way to the States where he landed a post on Wall $treet.

      With the passage of a year or two, Georgie came to be known as THE Wunderkind of the market. He always seemed able to sense out the trends in advance and quickly racked up the bucks. Pretty soon and his moves were closely aped by astute investors. Soon he had become a NAME on the $treet. Inside dope? He rapidly became a weathervane…just seemed to consistently know where and how.

      As time rolled along the Wall $treet Sage, gambled against the British pound, also the Malaysian currency among others. But perhaps it wasn’t such a huge gamble. He came relatively close to crashing the Pound Sterling. Now, I’m not gonna spill the beans as to who has operative control over the Bank of England, and thus, the Pound. But the party in question is considered to be the most astute and well-connected mega-financier in City of London, that politically independent “square mile” which is the world center for banking, commodities, insurance and shipping, to cite some of the majors. Georgie Boy amassed a cool coupla Billions outta his little coup. Could he possibly have had insider insights as to the ensuing course of events? Inquiring minds have waxed prolific on that subject. Check out some alternative reality websites.

      Pretty soon and Georgie expanded his realm from finance to politics. He famously financed a squall of so-called “color revolutions”, most notably in Serbia and Georgia. Feeling his oats a bit he heavily assisted the U$ puppet regime’s Department of $tate and their controlling entity, the CIA, in planning, manning, financing and executing the coup d’ etat against the duly elected government of Ukraine right at the time when the Russian government was all tied-up hosting the Sochi Olympics–an event boycotted by “the land of the free and home of the brave” if memory serves.

      President Putin and his military commanders did not take that one lying down. Russian Spetsnaz forces soon joined the sailors at the Sebastapol naval base and promptly dissected the entire Crimean peninsula from the open maw of the Pentagon, all anxious to take over that strategic base and thus outflank the Russian republic from the south. The 75% ethnic Russian population of Crimea were delighted with the outcome in that scene where thousands of gallons of Russian blood were spilled wresting that land from the terrible Turks, the slave-taking Tatars and later defending and recovering it from the Nazi hordes.

      • zumiee said, on June 13, 2020 at 4:05 pm

        You pretty much follow the Trump/Putin line on just about everything there. I’m just going to say I disagree. I don’t have the energy level to do a big rebuttal. We can agree to disagree.

      • xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 6:49 pm

        During her impeachment hearing testimony, I noticed former ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch off-handedly mention and quickly disparage a line of reasoning related to a Soros theory. I’ve never seen so many people scramble, on live tv no less, to change the subject. I have no idea what that meant, but there it was.

  19. zumiee said, on June 13, 2020 at 12:43 pm

    “Actually makes it worse when nothing gets done sooner..”

    I’m wrapping my brain around this. I’m going to be pondering this a while….

    • xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 1:31 pm

      I think someone once complained that I was so shiftless I’d put off doing nothing if I could.

    • Winder said, on June 13, 2020 at 1:59 pm

      sounds like something Vonnegut would say. twice

    • unca_chuck said, on June 13, 2020 at 3:18 pm

      I;m so broke I can;t pay attention.

  20. Macdog said, on June 13, 2020 at 2:13 pm

    This oughta bolster the owners’ continued stance of making the same offers in different forms:


    • zumiee said, on June 13, 2020 at 3:56 pm

      And, of course, the owners will still never let the players see all the accounting books.
      How much do teams make from selling team merchandise? We’ll never know.

  21. mrsprtdude said, on June 13, 2020 at 3:57 pm

    My friends son drafted by Dodgers in 3rd round. hs a ful ride offer from UCLA. I hope he goes to school so i can root hard for him:)

    • Flavor said, on June 13, 2020 at 5:25 pm

      He should take the money. If he got drafted in the third round out of high school he probably is pretty good. And if 2020 has taught us anything it is that you really have no guarantees on the future. Start playing ball for $$$ now and hope for the best

  22. zumiee said, on June 13, 2020 at 5:09 pm

    Here comes the mini-season.
    “The Major League Baseball Players Association has rejected MLB’s latest proposal and will not counter.
    In the absence of a negotiated agreement, MLB commissioner Rob Manfred has the power to unilaterally set a schedule per a March agreement between the players and owners.
    In a letter to the league on Saturday, the union asked MLB to inform it of how many games it intends to play and when players should report.”

    • Flavor said, on June 13, 2020 at 5:28 pm

      It’s asking to me how bungled these negotiations got. Baseball is clueless.

      • Flavor said, on June 13, 2020 at 5:29 pm

        It just became all about money. Like they all didn’t have enough pie already stuffed in their collective faces

  23. willedav said, on June 13, 2020 at 6:20 pm

    So Crawford, like Belt Longo Posey Smrdz and Cueto, will still make say $6 mil (for working 3 months), as opposed to original $8 mil…or nothing. Um, take the $6 mil grab your glove/gear and get in camp if you want to play. Really, the players concerns for their health hasn’t been major issue for long time. Not saying it isn’t valid one but just not what they appear to care about. Both sides come out looking bad here, zero adults in the room.

  24. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on June 13, 2020 at 6:37 pm

    Uh… I’m confused. Dylan, or Paul Simon?

    • xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 6:59 pm

      have you heard the 18-minute single Dylan dropped a week or so back? If you’re a fan, it’s something.

  25. alleykat69 said, on June 13, 2020 at 6:41 pm

    This whole thing is like watching a frog boil..
    You can’t play for 3 mil instead of 6mil?
    It’s all about Greedy Bastards at this point!
    Cancel the Season already!

  26. Winder said, on June 13, 2020 at 6:57 pm

    I believe this is the article stix was talking about earlier.

    The Giants have no apparent limits when it comes to signing amateur free agents now that the draft is completed. John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle provides a primer for this period of amateur free agents, writing, “The process starts at 6 a.m. Sunday, and the Giants will compete with the other 29 teams for the best available talent. But rather than outspending the others, all they can do is try to outsell them and offer appealing opportunities.” Given the Giants’ current position as a team looking to infuse as much young talent as possible, one would expect them to be aggressive in their attempts to add players from this pool. Obviously, more players than usual will be returning to college or committing to school as high school graduates, but given the volatility of the MLB draft under normal circumstances, it’s fair to expect a quality player or two to emerge from this pool of undrafted amateurs.

    • xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 7:02 pm

      It’s 800 unrestricted free agents, right?

      • Winder said, on June 13, 2020 at 7:07 pm

        yes I believe so I read the article at ‘mlb trade rumors.’

  27. blade3colorado said, on June 13, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    Forget the money issues on both sides of the coin . . . WHY ISN’T COVID-19 THE #1 ISSUE? We are having a second spike in cases occurring in 19 States, with the biggest increases occurring in Arizona. Doesn’t sound like the right environment to be saying, “Play Ball!”

  28. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on June 13, 2020 at 7:10 pm

    Xoot, no, I haven’t heard that. A single of The Boxer?

    • xoot said, on June 13, 2020 at 8:00 pm

      all lies and jest . . . no, no, Dylan released an epic single entitled Murder Most Foul, available widely. youtube, etc. The titular murder is that of JFK. But . . . . If you’re not a fan, though, . . . .

  29. unca_chuck said, on June 13, 2020 at 11:30 pm

    That’s what I think is odd. The players and owners haven’t said dick about COVID. At least not recently.

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