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Another False Start

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 23, 2020

I couldn’t be any less enthused about this fake promise to play a 60 game season. Supposedly we are just waiting on the players to answer two questions: Can you get to spring training by July 1 and will you agree to the health and safety guidelines? With the virus spiking in different parts of the country I am not really understanding what the point is of these *health and safety guidelines*. There are already many + cases popping up across all levels of mlb. So the question I have is, how many players will it take to get this before they shut the season down? Because these guys are getting it and will continue to get it.

When millions of Americans took to the streets a few weeks ago to protest all the things they were protesting it seemed odd to me that everyone just seemed to forget about the virus for a while. Go back and look at many of the protests and see all the ignored social distancing. This spike now is hardly surprising. But it is an excellent example of how strong Covid and how it isn’t just going to magically disappear in these warmer months.

Although if you listen to Trump we get the virus from getting tested. That’s the only thing that explains his bizarre current attitude towards testing….

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  1. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2020 at 7:17 am

    Most were wearing masks, and according to the news noise, the spikes aren’t being attributed to the protests.

    How they determine that is unclear, but that’s the word.

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 7:33 am

      i haven’t heard that and as you said I don’t know how they would determine that. The spike is happening in the correct time frame in relation to the protests.

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 7:45 am

      Chuck can you give me a reputable link that is saying this spike isn”t because of the protests, i like to follow everything related to this.

  2. Winder said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:06 am

    i thought there was a 14 day incubation period for some cases. Masks do work compared to not wearing one. something so obvious that it’s amazing that people still don’t wear em. Not holding my breath for a baseball season. I don’t see how they can get away with it since we are still in the first wave.

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:08 am

      exactly. And when did the protests start? Floyd was killed end of May, spike is starting to really pop now.

  3. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:07 am

    and regarding the protests, it is not accurate to say most were wearing masks. Many protests showed almost nobody wearing masks. It was obviously different from area to area. I can confirm that the big one we went to had at least 3000 people and I didn’t see a single person NOT wearing a mask. But some of those violent ones that were really out of control, come on we all saw it, people were not following social distancing protocol, they just weren’t

  4. willedav said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:09 am

    Among other venues due to reopen soon are some local movie theaters, with social distanced seating, masks required, sealed baggies of popcorn etc. In Chron story they also dropped this one: “Coming back from near extinction, drive-in theaters have experienced a boom since being allowed to reopen in May. West Wind theaters in San Jose, Sacramento and Concord, in particular, have seen larger audiences, inspiring other movie buffs around Nor Cal to adopt the concept that had its initial heyday in the 1950s and 60s. “

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:13 am

      going to a movie theater would be as dumb as going to a casino right now.

      • willedav said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:54 am

        not somewhere I’d go that’s for sure. perfect storm for disaster.

  5. zumiee said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:22 am

    “Following weeks of speculation as to whether or not Black Lives Matter protests across states would lead to an uptick in coronavirus infections, a study using data from the country’s largest cities found “no evidence” that the demonstrations caused a spike in the number of new COVID-19 cases.
    In a paper published by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), several authors analyze the effects major Black Lives Matter protests had on city populations and found that the amount of new cases was offset by individuals who elected not to march and opted to continue social distancing.
    The study was conducted by observing 315 major U.S cities; protests took place in 281 of them, and did not occur in the other 34. Protests were also differentiated by how long demonstrations lasted, as well as if any violent activities occurred at the time.”

  6. zumiee said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:25 am

    The biggest reason for the spike is probably the overall re-opening of the economy. Restaurants, bars, hair salons, etc.

  7. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:27 am

    Numerous articles are out that unequivocally indicate that spike not caused by protests, where experts and more importantly data, has been referenced. For example . . .

    Health officials in the state of Minnesota said Wednesday that of 8,500 protesters who have been tested for COVID-19, the positivity rate is just 0.99 percent. “We’re delighted that we are not seeing a huge increase in cases,” Kris Ehresmann, the infectious disease division director at the Minnesota Department of Health, said at a media briefing, the Wall Street Journal reported.

  8. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:27 am

    They have opened up elective surgeries atleast In Redwood City/San Mateo County.
    I’m in now scheduled for hip surgery on June 30th, 3 months+ after Covaid19 breakout.
    I’m still concerned about the conditions in hospitals,but fuck it my hip has been barking long enough!!
    Some assurances was my pre-op doctor said Kaiser Redwood City had very few cases of Covaid19
    ie..in beds needed are ICU fort real bad cases.He said Santa Clara Co and San Francisco Co were hit
    the hardest during this Covaid19 breakout..

    • Winder said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:34 am

      Good luck Kat. I finally went to see my doctor for some issues and I have to go into the hospital but for just an ultra sound in a few weeks. Gonna have to do it.

      • alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:00 am

        Thanks Winder..Yeah the hospital is not letting in any relatives on my drop off day.Guess I just get dumped off in the front and hobble in Lol 😂..Hopefully about a 2 hr surgery, recovery room 4-5 hr see if I can walk on the hip, with my requested song Huey Lewis “Hip to be square” are Tower of Power “What is Hip” going down the corridor and then head home the same day if they’re is no complications..
        Good luck with your ultra sound Winder…

    • Carstie Clausen said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:21 am

      All the best, Kat. Be thankful you will not be “treated” in some public hospital in New York City. Comparatively speaking, Kaiser Redwood City will be a safe locus for a frequently practiced operation by dedicated specialist surgeons.

      • alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:51 am

        Thanks Stix.. I’m confident with the surgeon,I’ll be the first one in the morning and he does a few more after me.He also supposedly is top notch if a infection occurs many staff members mentioned..

    • chipower9 said, on June 23, 2020 at 7:39 pm

      Wishing you a full and speedy recovery, Kat. A good friend got hip replace,mts on 2012 and 2014, and look what happened. 😉

      Seriously, best of luck!

  9. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:33 am

    Here’s evidence of that in a Newsweek article (reputable publication) . . . https://www.newsweek.com/protests-black-lives-matter-covid19-coronavirus-1512501

    In the opening paragraph . . .

    “A study using data from Black Lives Matters protests across 315 of America’s largest cities found “no evidence” in the following two and a half weeks that they caused a spike in the number of new COVID-19 cases.”

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:48 am

      very interesting info and those are reputable sources. That’s amazing to me considering what we all saw with our own eyes on tv everyday. But, I guess in relation to the number of people joining the *re-opening* of America those numbers dwarf the protest numbers.

      • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:56 am

        Yeah, I have a situation coming up where my family could be affected. My mom, dad, an uncle, an aunt, and a cousin are going to visit my new home in a couple of weeks. All of them are in their 80s, except for my uncle (90) and cousin (50 something). In any event, all my household goods are in a Colorado storage unit. Consequently, I will take them out to lunch in the Placerville area. Not looking forward to that, as the excellent restaurant Chi and I visited about 2 weeks ago had zero social distancing and mask wearing by wait staff.

        Obviously, this is anecdotal what I described above regarding the Placerville restaurant Chi and I visited, but I will touch base with Chi before I take them out. I need to find a local restaurant (if there is one) that practices social distancing and mask wearing.

  10. Winder said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:37 am

    I am curious to see how the Tulsa gathering is gonna pan out in new virus cases. Some things can’t be swept under the rug. Recirculating air is a big culprit.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:26 am

      “Recirculating air” was likely the primary culprit in Federal Correctional Institution Elkton where probably as high as half the population contacted the virus at some level. As of my 4-8 departure into “safe” quarantine for 42 days; that institution had the highest death-toll of all BOP facilities and “sported” one of the highest in the country save for nursing homes. We are talking essentially a 24-7 lockdown with the only fresh air and smatters of sunshine would be during the couple of quick walks to the chowhall to get our fodder.

      • unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:59 am

        John Oliver did a story on COVID in prisons, and Elkton was mentioned as one of the worst places in the country. Guys are sending videos of dudes dying in cells, and others are locked in with them. Also have a friend in Santa Barbara who said that 90% of the cases in SB county are in Lompoc Federal Pen.

        The prison system is such a disaster in this country. Like the health insurance field, the profit margin is all they look at.

  11. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:48 am

    Dr. Fauci testifies before Congress today. It would be awesome for him to resign his position as chief COVID-19 “tool” in the administration. Wistful thinking, I know.

    • zumiee said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:05 am

      A phrase I came to hate in the media is: ”Fauci and Birx have to walk a fine line.”
      At some point, they need to realize how compromised they have become to the point of uselessness. If they resigned from any connection to the Trump administration, they could speak more freely and honestly in the media, and be far more useful speaking with a clear voice.

      • Carstie Clausen said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:12 am

        Fauci and Brix are welded at the hip. Fauci happens to be the 3rd highest paid federal employee and has headed the NIH for 36 years. His assessments on numerous health outbreaks have frequently been totally off the mark. His tenure in orfice has only been superceded by that of the self-hating drag queen, J. Edna Hoover. Do some research on the man.

  12. Carstie Clausen said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:09 am

    Are we truly informed as to how the virus is spreading? According to Larry Romanoff, a Shanghai-based analyst, the recent viral uptick in Beijing was “reseeded” , is not indigenous to China and appears to be a totally different strain from Cv19. Beijing, he notes, had been virus free for the past 60 days and that Chinese officials believe this one originated in the U.$. Russia, evidently, has also been “reseeded”.

    Romanoff adds that the U$ is the only country to contain ALL the viral variants and that those who run this nation have some 400 bioweapons labs scattered across the globe. The new strain found in Beijing is apparently more virulent. He calls this one “Covid20”.

    One thing I have long come to realize is that corporate mass media is totally about mind-management and mental-conditioning, with an emphasis on fear-memes. It is in bed with the military-security complex and is on-board with the Davos World-Economic Forum as well as the financial Big Three: BlackRock,State Street and Vanguard.

    My question: How did the new uptick spread so rapidly and by which agencies? Curious that this sudden explosion has occurred in mostly the South and the West.

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:28 am

      Romanoff is a wacked out conspiracy theorist who started blabbering about that nonsense months ago. None of it was considered legitimate by anyone else in the world. Stix, I’m not against a good conspiracy theory but most of them are batshit crazy with no legs whatsoever.

      • Carstie Clausen said, on June 23, 2020 at 11:10 am

        Flav: In all due respect you might consider vetting your sources. Nearly 30 years ago the CIA director bragged that they OWNED over a thousand journalists.

      • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:32 pm

        Whatever stix. romanoff is a loon. Don’t buy into everything you read.

  13. Macdog said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:10 am

    A Washington Post story attributes to recent surge thanks to Florida, Texas and Arizona.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:17 am

      MacD: Bear in mind that the WaPo has long been the mouthpiece for the deepest of Deep State elements, the CIA. In Gary Webb’s investigative reporting on the emergence of crack-cocaine out of south LA, he uncovered information that essentially proved that the Agency trumps both the Department of State and the Department of “Justice”. If recall maintains, Webb, the most outstanding investigative reporter the San Jose Mercury ever employed, “Committed suicide”. If you believe that, I possess an amazing 1883 structure which spans the East River between Manhattan and Brooklyn. Such a deal I will make for you.

      • unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2020 at 10:07 am

        Deep state = Antifa. A right-wing blathering point that means everything they don’t like is a conspiracy. Connecting the dots between Hillary and child slave labor on Mars is an easier connection than Trump to the Russians.

        Did ‘they’ pay off Webb’s wife?

      • Macdog said, on June 23, 2020 at 10:18 am

        Story seems legit, that’s all I got.

  14. snarkk said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:20 am

    The older snarkette is going back to college in August back east. Still working through all the details, but we’ve decided to go with it. Looks like mrs. snarkk and she will be driving back there, we’ll do a rental car there and back. Not shipping her off on a 6-hour trip in a flying covid tube, otherwise known as an airplane. Crazy times…

    • Carstie Clausen said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:27 am

      “Flying covid tube”. Great line. Did you get a copyright?

    • alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2020 at 10:32 am

      Flying COVID Tube..Lmfao!!
      They need another Airplane movie maybe the plane covered in a condom with a Covaid19 mask 😷 on the nose..

  15. Winder said, on June 23, 2020 at 10:17 am

    I wonder if there is anyplace one can hear the truth anymore without having it be slanted by an agenda. Once again people believe what they want to believe. Comfortably numb.

    https://tinyurl.com/y9pm9vez

    • Carstie Clausen said, on June 23, 2020 at 11:13 am

      Winder as per a posting I did late yesterday, my response to the responders then and now was: “What, me worry?” I’m “comfortably numb”.

      • Winder said, on June 23, 2020 at 11:25 am

        stix I think most people are comfortably numb or just numb. Hard to think straight when bombarded with bullshit continually.

    • Winder said, on June 23, 2020 at 11:23 am

      Thanks

  16. wilcojoe said, on June 23, 2020 at 10:24 am

    I don’t know if the spike is attributed so much to the protests but rather the lax attitudes everyone took here in Texas and so many other states that were doing great during the lockdown. Nearly every populated county in Texas is now requiring masks to be worn in public. If only they had initially done that to begin with, I don’t think we see this dramatic uptick.

    • willedav said, on June 23, 2020 at 10:50 am

      Oh good news about masks being required in public. Are people complying for most part?

      Side story: Our company reopened 3 stores in greater Houston. Sadly, one woman mgr. I’ve met before tested positive recently and is under quarantine with her husband at home for couple weeks. Saw her last October at Co. mgmt meeting and she showed phone pix of her grandchildren. Hope everyone is OK.
      and good luck to AK on visit, hip surgery and recovery.

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 10:58 am

      yeah, that Tx governor who Trump loves to stroke, completely fucked up the re-opening.

      • snarkk said, on June 23, 2020 at 11:30 am

        If Drumpf had told everyone at the get go to wear a mask, his idjit cultists would have gone out there and bought or made a different one to wear every day of the week. But no, he didn’t, and doesn’t wear one, because he thinks it makes him look weak, and it reminds everyone of this terrible situation for which he’s mainly responsible. So, his cult state governors and local politicians have followed this lead, until now — when the predicted spread continues to worsen. For that alone, he deserves to be flushed in November. I think it is definitely possible he may contract it, as he refuses to recognize any CDC protocols while in public settings. Inside the White House, who knows, he may be wearing a hazmat suit 24 /7. Mrs. snarkk’s elderly mother is in the Austin, TX area. She’s fairly safe in a house, never goes out, but she is breathing compromised to start, and does have relatives in/out regularly (though they wear masks, etc). TX is blowing up — there’s a real concern…

  17. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2020 at 11:59 am

    CNN posted this article, “This is the most succinct — and brutal — Republican rejection of Donald Trump that you will ever read.” It is very harsh, but frankly, many Flappers do just as good a job (lol). The Republican, Steve Schmidt is one of the few Republicans I respect (he even regrets supporting/selecting Sarah Palin, when he was John McCain’s campaign manager). Anyway, this is what Schmidt said:

    “Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don’t say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.

    When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don’t use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We’ve never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.

    It’s just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he’s the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he’s brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let’s be clear. This isn’t happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you’re the most likely to die from this disease. We’re the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk.”

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2020 at 12:31 pm

      I see Schmidt’s stuff a lot on news shows. He is brutal on Drumpf, and his enablers, and rightly so. Former Republican, he’s renounced that party. He’s a big part of the Lincoln Project. I have no problem calling Drumpf those names, they are correct, as Schmidt says. He’s certainly the worst president in my lifetime, since Eisenhower, and it’s not even close. My 21 year old daughter, who has the maturity of a 28 year old, would undoubtedly be a better alternative to be in the Oval office than him. Worst president ever? I don’t see one worse. He makes Dubya look like George Washington. The honest truth is we have a narcissistic imbecile as president. He is mentally damaged, he loves dividing , not uniting, our country. He is a blatant racist; his campaign uses Nazi dog whistles and symbolism. We got through 3 years of his incompetence luckily without a potential disaster looming, but now that one has happened, the predicable occurred. He’s made that potential disaster, one that a competent president would fight hopefully into at least something manageable with everyone working smartly together, into a catastrophe for our country. I have never been so at unease about where this nation is headed; that includes 1968 when I was a kid and that summer the nation was on fire after the Tet offensive, MLK and RFK assassinations, big city riots, the Dem’s convention that turned Chicago into a war zone, and massive Vietnam protests all over…

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 12:56 pm

      it doesn’t do any good to have Lincoln Project members say stuff like this they need actual republicans IN THEIR PARTY calling this idiot out. Otherwise Trump can just call them RINO’s and they lose credibility. Although the ads produced by the Lincoln Project are damaging to the president for sure.

      • Winder said, on June 23, 2020 at 1:06 pm

        Tru dat. But everything helps. Trump has to be stopped and once that happens the GOP will follow suit. These are the darkest days for the American people that I have seen in my lifetime. Trump is down to his hole card with immigration and he is gonna play it till it falls apart. At least he can’t say Mexico is gonna pay for anything.

      • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2020 at 1:12 pm

        Disagree Flav insofar as the name calling. Him calling Schmidt or anyone else, including ALL Republicans who respond back negatively to him – a RHINO or worse is going to happen regardless. That’s his MO . . . The problem is that when Cruz or Rubio or fill in the blank has done it – it’s never sustained. They all quickly hide again. The only Republican with power who hasn’t is Mitt Romney. He even voted to impeach the SOB on one of two articles.

        So yeah, I do agree we need more Republicans to grow a back bone, but that wont happen without term limits.

    • dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:41 pm

      Schmidt strikes me as the kind of guy who practices his soundbites in the mirror. Like a lot. I lost all respect for the guy when he tried to get Howard Shultz in the ’20 Presidential race.

  18. Stan Shell said, on June 23, 2020 at 12:02 pm

    Everything lately seems to indicate that this thing is very, very contagious, however, it also highly selective in method. MAYBE outdoor transmission in sunshine is rare. MAYBE it is primarily caused by face to face (usually indoor) transmission by droplets of saliva from the infected person inhaled by someone close. Outside those micro droplets being quickly vaporized by sunshine and wind just don’t get traction in the lungs. MAYBE you can’t get it by eating it. Gastric juices knock it out.
    It would be nice to know if there were extensive experiments ongoing to determine these facts, but when the head of the government says it is a hoax and it is magically going away, I don’t assume that’s happening.
    BTW, the reason I stress MAYBE is that I don’t know- -only speculating.
    If I’m correct, it wasn’t the beach scene in Florida that’s set up their spike, but the hours spent drinking in bars.

    .

  19. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2020 at 12:40 pm

    Four more years of Trump means at least 24 more years of the Trump family in power.

  20. snarkk said, on June 23, 2020 at 12:56 pm

    If the various teams are now going to do “spring training” in their own stadiums, how are the teams going to do quarantines? If the players are free to go wherever after their day at the yard, it’s inevitable somebody is going to get Covid and expose the team. Maybe they are all going to be holed up in some hotel?…

  21. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2020 at 12:57 pm

    The rally was surreal. Wild cheers for drinking a glass of water. 15 minutes on the dangers of walking down a ramp. He IS an idiot. Trump ‘jokes’ about a virus that has killed around 125,000 people in 3 months. Nothing on the race divisions in the country. I just don’t understand how anyone can vote for him.

  22. xoot said, on June 23, 2020 at 1:03 pm

    Reports say the EU is considering a travel ban on visitors from the USA because our country is now an out-of-control global hotspot. trump’s people must be going crazy trying to forestall that humiliation.

    Meanwhile, trump’s campaign continues to spin its wheels in the muck of his admin’s incompetence. Slow down testing to control only one of the damning numbers, bring in the troops to protect meaningless antique statues, brag about the “wall,” and blame every problem he faces on all of us antifa anarchists killing time waiting for some live baseball. That approach won’t go well.

    But soon some reps from the darker forces that support the republican party will move in. His current campaign leaders will either quit or be demoted and more demonic ghouls will rise. In the summer of 2016, it was the Mercer billionaires (with their breitbart, cambridge analytica, et al arms) and their people Bannon, Flynn and so forth who took over. They all had ties to Russia. Everyone’s wiser this time around, however. The new qhouls will get scrutinized carefully this time. But we have a long way to go.

    For a great view of trump’s 2016 comeback, check out this brilliant piece Jane Mayer published only eight weeks after trump took office in 2017. Those who cannot remember the past . . . . (and sorry for the ugly url)

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2020 at 1:13 pm

      I predicted a whlle back that the EU will ban Americans from traveling into it. It makes total sense, it would be incompetence on their part NOT to do that. It will be a total humiliation for our country; but Drumpf will color it as a fault of the EU, for sure. This kind of international embarrassment and future negative impact on our economy means nothing to his imbecile cultists…

    • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2020 at 1:14 pm

      Paul and I were discussing that very fact regarding Vietnam. I doubt I will be able to travel there this year.

    • willedav said, on June 23, 2020 at 1:21 pm

      what I read about Euro travel is that it’s OK now in many countries as they have loosened borders for those in Schengen group, including for those from England. But from US, no. Hell even Americans from mainland can’t go to Hawaii without being subjected to quarantine. As Paul said it’s same for travel to Asia.

    • xoot said, on June 23, 2020 at 1:28 pm

      the EU position has been clear. travel to the USA has been discouraged for months. Every week via video chat I compare notes with my younger son, who just finished his bachelor’s degree in engineering at a univ. in Ireland (and who’s getting ready to start a master’s program in August). When the lockdown in Ireland began back in April, the prime minister of the country, who’s a MD, suspended his admin work somewhat to get down into the trenches a bit. They succeeded in stopping CV19. The prime minister’s back at his desk full time, I guess, doing his elected job well enough. Meanwhile, it seems that the people in Ireland view the USA with a mixture of hilarity and alarm.

  23. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2020 at 1:38 pm

    I’ve maintained this consistently – baseball isn’t happening and if it does, it will be shut down in a New York minute shortly afterwards. These talking heads (writers), as well as the baseball players union and owners – all delusional to think otherwise.

    Sheesh, even Fausi said yesterday or the day before, the NFL isn’t happening this year either (and I don’t trust what he says as far as I can “throw him”).

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:02 pm

      I agree. I don’t see how any of these sports can happen. Football? College football in particular. Are they going to basically jail these college kids for 6 months so they can’t go out and get a pizza at the local pizza joint? I think it’s folly, to me only the NBA proposal seems doable, as they’ll basically be in a bubble for two months, but that bubble has holes in it. Why not accept the fact that this is a lost year for sports? Money from sports and entertainment is not more important than life itself. Focus on stopping the spread of the virus…

  24. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    On this date June 23,2003 Barry Bonds stole his 500th base to be the only
    player in MLB history to have 500 HR’s and 500 SB! Bonus the Giants beat the Dodgers
    In 11 innings 3-2…

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:05 pm

      Would anybody consider that PED’s helped him steal bags?…

  25. zumiee said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:24 pm

    “I just don’t understand how anyone can vote for him.”

    I don’t know all the answers to that question, but I do know he and the GOP wouldn’t be able to win without the Fundamentalists who want to get abortion outlawed and gay marriage outlawed. Fundamentalists are realizing, more or less, that they’ve probably lost the battle regarding equal rights for gays; but they absolutely believe they can get enough Conservative Supreme Court justices on the Court to get abortion outlawed. It is their all-consuming political agenda.

    • zumiee said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:26 pm

      Gorsuch’s vote for gay rights was a bitter pill for them.

      • xoot said, on June 23, 2020 at 3:27 pm

        I think the rise of gay rights has a lot to do with how many well-heeled and well-connected gay and lesbian republicans there are. As a cause, it’s pretty mainstream now. The AIDs crisis in the late 80s and early 90s brought a lot of people out of the closet, including a bunch of prominent lawyers and judges I met in SF. Many of them were repubs who just decided to change their game. One guy was a partner in the SF law firm I worked for early in my career. Reagan/Bush appointed him to the federal bench. Up to that point, he’d always brought his presentable woman friend with him to social occasions. He dropped that dodge. Some years later, now a well-known, openly gay judge, he issued the landmark ruling in favor of same-sex marriage that the US SCt ultimately affirmed. (A bench decision: no jury to fall back on.) He is a white man who calls himself a “rock-ribbed republican.”

    • unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2020 at 3:12 pm

      They’ve had 40 years since Reagan to roll back Roe v Wade, and it will never go away. It is a red herring the right dangles in front of the voters every four years. Same with immigration.

      Although I will say Trump created the rise in illegal immigration by freaking out about his wall endlessly.

      Ho hum. Another day, another Trump rally. In AZ. In a COVID hot spot. After the highest number of cases reported. Might as well just quarantine everyone in the building.

  26. Carstie Clausen said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:25 pm

    Worst president? Clown that he is, Trump isn’t even close. There are a number of candidates for the horse-collar. First in line was Thomas Woodrow Wilson, a rabid racist from Virginia who happened to be both a Presbyterian preacher and chancellor of Princeton. Not so bad, one might think. But look at the consequences. J.P. Morgan’s boys were searching for a Manchurian Candidate for the scheme they had cooked up at their notorious Jekyll Island conference in 1910. Aim was to establish a privately-owned central bank for the U.S. The latest fandango they had pulled off was the Panic of 1907, subsequent to the banking panic of 1893, both engineered by financier insiders. One of their projects was to control a candidate who would sign off on establishing such a bank. They decided on Wilson and on blackmail.

    So they did some snooping. Turned out the long-faced icon of ultimate respectability had a mistress on the side. One of Morgan’s agents paid a call on the lady and offered $50,000 in gold–a deal she could not refuse as today’s buying power of that gold would be well over a million bucks. Chump change for the banksters with a program. So they purchased his love-letters to his sweetie and the agent showed up at the citadel of learning in central Jersey.. Drew from his coat-pocket one of the letters. Wilson must have blanched when the visitor added “we have them all.” “No problemo” he added. We want you to run for governor of New Jersey this year and you WILL win.

    As goobernator of the quintessentially corrupt state of New Jersey, Wilson had both the chops to deal with the Democrat machine throughout the country. Another element of the deal was rounding up the Roughrider, Teddy Roosevelt to serve high finance once again and set up his Bull Moose party to split the Republican vote

    • Carstie Clausen said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:40 pm

      Stoopid machine drew a line after the “vote” that I couldn’t erase… So, to continue…Whether informed about his 1912 run for the presidency before Teddy was drawn in, Wilson got all the Democrat votes and thus the presidency. First half of the equation occurred on Christmas Eve 1913, when most Congressmen and Senators had already gone home for the Holidays, but the Squeaker of the House and the $enate Majority Leader were in on the arrangement, so the chambers were not adjourned. So a small coterie of men voted on a bill which would establish the Federal Reserve Bank. After passage of the legislation without quorums, the bill was promptly presented to Wilson. He signed it. CongreSS (in rump form), the handful of $enator$ in the know, dutifully turned over control of America’s money supply to the Bank$ters and as axiomatically happens with coin of the realm, bad money drives out good. The Federal Reserve note was aborning.

      In 1913 it cost an American citizen two cents to mail a first-class letter. Current postage rate is 55 cents. Inflation, anyone? Oh yes, and if there’s a better metric for inflation, let me know. Like a giant vacuum cleaner, the savings of the American people were, over time, swept away in the process. That prompted many to invest their money in the stock market. 1929–October–and guess what happened on Wall $treet?

      There’s a lot more on Wilson and he ain’t the only worst president out there. The last truly American one who actually believed that he was running the U$ government was assassinated on 11-22-63 in Dallas. You can get some hints as to who dun it listening a few times to Bob Dylan’s latest: “Murder Most Foul.”

      • unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2020 at 4:03 pm

        So, Dylan holds the key as to who killed Kennedy? Ahhhhh.

  27. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:38 pm

    I actually suspected something like this. Those garages are extremely well guarded

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:41 pm

      So, they didn’t see the thing for 9 months until now?…

      • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:46 pm

        Apparently not. I haven’t seen a pic of it have you? Maybe it isn’t clearly a noose. I mean, something could look like a noose and still be used to pull down the top of the garage. Either way, this dude wasn’t the target of a hate crime

      • unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2020 at 3:14 pm

        Not sure how many races are held there, but there could be a pretty big gap.

  28. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:50 pm

    And what about the noose apparently hanging from a tree on the property at Sonoma Racetrack? Just another hoax?

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:52 pm

      Look, it’s been like that for 9 months there are photos to prove it. Unless you guys think they’re doctored or the FBI is in on it (Stix?) It’s pretty clear that this guy bubba wasn’t the target of a hate crime.

  29. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 2:59 pm

    Did anyone actually see a pic of this “noose”?

  30. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2020 at 3:24 pm

    Google up Sonoma Racetrack noose you clearly see the noose hanging 14 ft up at a administrative building on the property.

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 3:28 pm

      yeah I’m talking about the thing everyone said was this hate crime towards Bubba

  31. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 3:37 pm

    excerpt from today’s email
    The President can’t wait to meet you, Fuck.

    We’re sending him the next list of entrants soon, and if he doesn’t see your name, we know he’s going to ask about you again.

    Don’t make us tell him you STILL haven’t entered – get on the list NOW!

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 3:38 pm

      they’re writing straight up that he is asking about ME. Who believes this shit? And who WRITES this shit? Cult shit.

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 3:49 pm

      if you look at the video in this story you can see rope nooses all the way back to 2017. And they are on several garages.

  32. Bill Fleming said, on June 23, 2020 at 3:52 pm

    I live here down in So Cal as a die hard Giants fan since ’65. How will the Giants approach this season? (Sorry, I am not on this site everyday, so this topic might have already been discussed). What direction do the other Giant fans on this site want the Giants to take?

    *Do the Giants go into the season trying to make the playoffs at all costs which will probably lead them to playing more veterans and stunting the development of the young talent?

    *Should the Giants take this opportunity to see exactly what young talent they have and play that talent?

    *Should the Giants go in full tank mode to get a better pick for next year? One issue with that is the MLB draft is a crapshoot. ESPN stated that only FOUR players taken in the first round since 2017 is playing in the majors. Imagine that. One good thing if you are going into total tank mode, it’s not like the fans are not going to show up. They cannot attend the games anyway.

    It is my belief that the Giants should take this unique opportunity and see exactly what type of young talent they have in their system. Does anybody really want to see Billy Hamilton and Hunter Pence as DH or playing over Hunter Bishop or Heliot Ramos?

    Not sure when the trading deadline is going to be, but maybe now is the time to dump players like Belt, Cueto, Shark, et al. Maybe this is the perfect time to trade Posey. His skills have eroded but some team still might think they can catch (no pun intended) lightning in a bottle with Posey and we can get a good young player in return.

    Bart has to be in the lineup on a daily basis either as a catcher, DH, or at first base (again, dump Belt).

    Not sure why Kapler is against the DH. Looking at our roster, we have some good choices to use at DH. Without Bumgarner on the team, there is no pitcher I want to see hit. I want to see players like Bart hitting instead. I don’t need to see pitchers like Cueto spinning around like a top every time he swings and misses anymore.

    • Bozo said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:45 pm

      The proposed trading deadline for this year is 8/31

    • chipower9 said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:07 pm

      You obviously do not spend much time here. You will not find many fans of the DH, here. I personally hate it and hope it is never instituted in the NL, although it probably will be, eventually.

      Nothing personal, we are all entitled to our opinions, but fuck the DH.

  33. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 3:56 pm

    read this from one of the commentors in the noose article. Seems to know what he’s talking about or at least sounds like he does.
    “Rope frays. Knot it or loop (noose) it the best way to stop the fraying.

    Maybe everyone should start asking the other drivers where they got their door pulls.

    Loop (noose) works better for garage doors than a knot when you close it. If the door goes down and land on the knot…you have to lift up to get the knot out. Usually with a loop (noose) you can just use your foot to unstick it and it pulls right out. If knotted, you have to lift the door if the knot lands on the outside.”

  34. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 3:59 pm

    probably not gonna be able to fuck his way out of this one

  35. blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2020 at 4:25 pm

    Let’s make something clear – Bubba Watson knew NOTHING about this, as he was assigned to garage #4 last week. No hate crime, as the FBI determined, but at the same time, Bubba wasn’t accused of fabricating his story either.

    I don’t follow NASCAR racing, nor golf much – so I was surprised that there actually are 2 Bubba Watsons in the world of sports. Who knew?

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 4:31 pm

      uh, he was part of it. Did you see his tweet about it? Whether he discovered the *noose* or not. He certainly jumped to the conclusion that he was the target of a hate crime.

    • alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2020 at 4:40 pm

      Uhh it’s actually Bubba Wallace the NASCAR driver & Bubba Watson the Professional Golfer.
      And one is black(Wallace) and one is white (Watson)

  36. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 4:34 pm

    i mean come on, where was the common sense with all this? There are ropes shaped like nooses all over the adjacent garages. And i posted above a very common sense explanation for why they’re shaped like that. I don’t think Bubba was trying to set this up or anything and I believe him when he says he didn’t *find* it. But come on, he goes into the garages, all these guys do. Zero common sense and a complete rush to judgement is what happened here.

    • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2020 at 4:41 pm

      Believe what you want. I don’t blame the guy at all for reporting this. He lives in a society where he faces prejudice probably every day of his life. This is one track Flav – he isn’t there every day of the year. Rush to judgement? Tell that to the red neck killers that have massacred hundreds of blacks, including the over 200 lives that Juneteenth is commemorated for. Now, that’s a rush to judgement – so I don’t blame any black person that reports a noose at work or on his/her property.

      • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 4:52 pm

        i said I didn’t think he had anything to do with it. I don’t think this is some Jessie Smollett thing. But whoever found it and reported it was obviously part of his crew. I find it absolutely STUNNING that there are other ropes like this hanging all over the place and that this has been there for months or years and NOBODY bothered to put any context at all on this situation before Bubba decided to tweet out what he did. The FBI got called in to investigate nonsense—something that anyone with half a brain could have figured out just by walking around the garages and asking a few questions…..

      • blade3colorado said, on June 23, 2020 at 4:56 pm

        Actually, he didn’t report it . . . He just reacted to it, as someone on his crew found it. Specifically, this is what happened per CNN:

        “The (No.) 43 team had nothing to do with this,” Phelps said. Wallace drives the No. 43 car.
        “The evidence is very clear that the noose that was in that garage had been in the garage previously,” Phelps continued. “The last race we had had there in October, that noose was present, and it was — the fact that it was not found until a member of the 43 team came there is something that is a fact. We had not been back to the garage. It was a quick one-day show. The crew member went back in there. He looked and saw the noose, brought it to the attention of his crew chief, who then went to the NASCAR series director Jay Fabian, and we launched this investigation.
        “To be clear, we would do this again. Of the evidence that we had, it was clear that we needed to look into this.”
        Phelps did not take questions from the media on the call. NASCAR has said Wallace never saw the noose.

      • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:14 pm

        i know he didn’t report it, I said that twice already. Look, I am not a NASCAR fan and clearly you aren’t either since you didn’t even know his name (Wallace not Watson). But I am assuming that people that work in the industry know what a fucking door pull down looks like and this one seems kind of common based on what I have read about it. So either this crew member was a dipshit or he didn’t stop to look around even a little bit. These noose ropes are all over the garages there……
        Let’s see if Bubba is as quick to tweet about today’s findings as he was the other day. So far his twitter account has been quiet for several hours.

  37. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 4:39 pm

    this same shit went down last week from the right wingers about the cops and the shake shake nonsense. Total rush to judgement, nobody waits to find out the truth about shit anymore (and apparently all you gotta do is start listening to Bob Dylan lyrics hey now)

  38. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2020 at 4:48 pm

    They really don’t need rope shaped like a noose hanging in all these pit garages in these sensitive times though.If it’s just a roll up door a couple of knots on the end of the rope should work fine.
    The noose at Sonoma (Sears point still to me) was clearly more racism with it hanging from a tree by a administraton building on the property.Disgruntled Employee are disgruntled NASCAR fan? Who knows for sure..

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 4:53 pm

      agree with you that in these sensitive times they could do away with things that look like nooses but I explained in my 3:56pm why they might be configured that way.

  39. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:08 pm

    this is great and gives me a sliver of hope that Trump and his cronies won’t be able to steal the election again

  40. willedav said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:26 pm

    @Bill fleming
    first off good luck in SoCal where Giants come in for lot of abuse based on last few years.
    Posey has to stay through 2021 just because Bart has so little experience beyond A ball. Maybe by mid next year he can come back up and rotate in; nothing wrong with him here now.
    I would hope that Davis Yaz Dickerson and Dubon will get regular ABs, at least much more often than Hamilton or Pence or Ruf. but rosters will be big so Kapler can mix/match and see what he has.
    Craw and Belt have only 1 more year left; how tradeable they are for anyone beyond low prospect idk. Seems Giants are unwilling to kick any $$ to another team for them in which case they are stuck.

    My take has been for awhile now pitching will be larger issue. System is awash in prospect bats, Ramos Luciano toribio Bishop Wilson etc. SPs not so much and after this year they could lose 4/5 of rotation. Beede will coming off surgery so he’s a large ?. Beyond him, more inexperience. Same in pen. The teams SF will have to deal with AZ LA SD are all 3 years ahead of them at minimum. Let’s see how well Z’s team can do with draft and development of what has and those he was left with.

    • willedav said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:30 pm

      Good friend of mine is transplant residing in Long Beach and big dodger fan. I remind her we do have the rings but…kinda hollow argument based on how well LA has done and far superior level of talent, prospects too.
      Godson lives outside SD and has season tickets. He’s fired up, justifiably so. Last time I saw him he had pinstripe new uni and brown top. On him it looked pretty good.

  41. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:38 pm

    • zumiee said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:47 pm

      Baseball will start, anyway. Completing the mini-season will be an open question.

    • Bozo said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:49 pm

      From MLBTradeRummors –
      A runner starting on second base in extra innings would only apply in the regular season, not the playoffs. The batter who made the final out in the previous inning would start extras on second.

      So they really are going to do it, fuck em, fuck em all.

      • xoot said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:58 pm

        give me some baseball. I have almost less interest in nascar than I have in golf. essentially, a 0-0 tie. soccer’s back, of course, and I understand that last week’s premier match between elite rivals Liverpool and Everton was a thriller, all the way down to the 0-0 finish. give me some baseball.

        I’ll complain about the three-batter minimum and the dh and most loudly about the runner starting on 2B in extras. But at least the fucking games won’t quit at 0-0.

  42. zumiee said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:51 pm

    I recommend that NASCAR stop using nooses as handles on the ends of door-closing ropes. It’s pretty tone-deaf.

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:56 pm

      reasonable expectation. But come on, they just ditched the confederate flag. Door pull downs could take a while 🙂

  43. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:55 pm

    i do see this take

    • xoot said, on June 23, 2020 at 5:59 pm

      I do care about the flaws, but I want to see the games, too.

    • chipower9 said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:10 pm

      Agree.play the games, quirks and all…even with the DH abomination.

  44. Carstie Clausen said, on June 23, 2020 at 6:05 pm

    Sister’s pretty regular with boobtoob noose at 5:30. She’s mostly into David Muir on ABC. Sometimes I sit in and watch it. The other day the noose was all about the noose and believe you me, the whole implicit take was that some Southern-fried white supremacist was behind it all. Boobtoob noose is all about propounding and propelling the fear meme and also about exacerbating racial conflict. Appears to be an agenda. My take to her at the time was a 50-50 expression between a soured-out racist or somebody pushing an agenda to keep those eyes glued to the widescreen. Mainstream TV, whether national or local, has always followed the mantra of “If it bleeds, it leads.” Their major drug-pusher advertisers seem to favor that kinda programming.

    • zumiee said, on June 23, 2020 at 6:12 pm

      On a connected note, I’ll be rewatching the movie Network tonight. I have it DVR-ed. Recently I rewatched another ‘70s movie, Cabaret.
      Cabaret held up really well. A really daring and bold movie for its time, with things to say about our times, too.

  45. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2020 at 6:27 pm

    I think I will watch Clint Eastwood in “Hang em High”
    Has a really good attempt of hanging Clint with a noose in the beginning..
    I give it 3 nooses out of 4..

    • xoot said, on June 23, 2020 at 6:38 pm

      check out the Coen bros recent The Ballad of Buster Scruggs — Netflix, youtube. The second chapter is all about old west hangings. Very good. (Tom Waits, though, steals the movie in chapter 4 . . .)

      • chipower9 said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:14 pm

        Love the Coen brothers, but have not seen this one. Thanks.

    • Macdog said, on June 23, 2020 at 7:41 pm

      “When you hang a man, you better look at him.”

  46. willedav said, on June 23, 2020 at 6:33 pm

    the premise behind the weird extra inning rule (which sucks agreed) is to end games ASAP. I also saw suggestions to just end game in a tie (which imo also sucks) or only apply rule after 12 innings. With rosters set at 30 (right?) anyone know how many pitchers will be allowed, or will there even be a limit as previously?

  47. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 6:42 pm

    best way to flush Loo out

  48. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    Charlie Blackmon just tested + along with a couple other Rockies. I give this re-start about a 2% chance of actually happening

    • xoot said, on June 23, 2020 at 6:51 pm

      aw, they’ll just take a new approach to split-squad games in camp

      • zumiee said, on June 23, 2020 at 7:29 pm

      • xoot said, on June 23, 2020 at 7:42 pm

        I was thinking more along the lines of zombies playing baseball, but I’m not really into memes

  49. snarkk said, on June 23, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    I assumed the noose in the Bubba garage was a regular man-sized noose hanging down from something, with unmistakable intent. I’m going to venture to say if its a little one hooked up to a garage door handle or similar, I’d do a little investigation of the other garage doors. Anyway, the show of solidarity of the other drivers was a good thing. I have no reason to blame Bubba or anybody else on this — the jump to conclusions is reasonable given the context of these days and the location. Nascar banning the rebel flag inside racetracks is a big thing, IMO. Their fan base won’t like that one bit, and will probably try to ignore it. We’ll see how that goes when fans get let into the tracks in future. I remember being shocked seeing so many stars n bars flying in western Maryland, not more than 45 minutes outside of DC limits. It’s below the old Mason Dixon line, but still, Maryland is not considered a true Southern state. The area out there right around Camp David looks like somewhere in deep Dixie with all those flags…

  50. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 7:52 pm

    I will say this: I’ve allowed more political talk the last few months and certainly I’ve contributed to that. But if we get baseball back I would like to see ALL that shit slide to the back burner again. This is a baseball blog and hopefully we get back to being able to talk baseball…..
    Always remember this: Nobody cares what you think about politics. All they want to do is tell YOU what THEY think. I learned that a long time ago…..

    • chipower9 said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:17 pm

      Agree. And bring back the naked women, too! I think I’ll go visit Daisy the bartender…

      • snarkk said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:34 pm

        Wear a mask, Chi…

  51. xoot said, on June 23, 2020 at 7:54 pm

    Apparently Charles Booker was the demo primary candidate who somehow got the last-minute court order to reopen a KY voting place tonight. I heard him interviewed this morning on nat’l tv. He avoided democratic infighting and went after Moscow Mitch. “McConnell won his first election here when I was two weeks old. He’s been screwing the people of Kentucky my entire life.”

    • xoot said, on June 23, 2020 at 7:56 pm

      Now, you understand, I’m grinding no ax here.

  52. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 7:56 pm

    i actually like Amy McGrath a lot but I think it’s time to shake that state up and Booker might just be the one to get that done.

  53. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:02 pm

    this is funny

    • chipower9 said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:20 pm

      lulz….

      Please…fucking PLEASE, bring baseball back now. When that happens and the politics disappear, them we will probably see DracuLoo…

  54. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    You all know I’m no Trumpster, in fact I think he’s one of the most horrible human beings to ever walk the planet. But I’m a little surprised how much attention his two-handed water-drinking gets. Even more surprised he hasn’t just admitted why he does that. I’m guessing it’s because he tweets so much, the muscles in his right hand don’t fully cooperate anymore. That actually happened to me at one point during lockdown, when I was on my iPhone a LOT one particular week, and my right hand lost part of its grip ability. It went away, but I really wouldn’t be surprised if the constant tweeting has destroyed the musculature in his hands.

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:25 pm

      And in his head, probably, while we’re at it….

  55. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:33 pm

    great take, I can get behind this.

  56. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:36 pm

    DH, Runner on 2nd in extra innings are possible wth ties?7inning double headers, pitcher needs to face minimum 3 hitters,free 4 finger salute walk to 1st base..Can baseball fuckup the game anymore?

    • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:38 pm

      if it’s just for these 60 games I can get on board. I’m still not thinking this season happens though

      • chipower9 said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:49 pm

        Unless it has changed, these rule changes are for this year, and next year, too.

      • Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:56 pm

        they backed off the DH for next year and I’m almost positive I read the runner on 2nd base was always only planned for this abbreviated year.

  57. Winder said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:43 pm

    I figure players who test positive will probably have to sit out more than the two weeks. If that’s the case we may get to see just about every player in the AA and AAA also.that could be kinda fun.

  58. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:46 pm

    Man, I really hope we get some baseball. They could load the bases before every inning, I don’t give a fuck. I can’t sit here and talk politics and conspiracy theories with you motherfuckers all Summer long lolololol

    • chipower9 said, on June 23, 2020 at 8:51 pm

      Agree. No bueno on the politics and conspiracy theories. That shit is for another place…another time.

  59. Flavor said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:01 pm

    Chi–the DH for 2020 and 2021 was in one of the owners proposals but I’m almost positive the most recent directive only has it for 2020. And I think it’s the same for the runner on second thing, too. This proposal also took out the No grievance thing and the ads on the jerseys.

  60. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:19 pm

    No fans in the stands.Better get your fill this year.
    No CBA= No Baseball next year🥴

    • snarkk said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:37 pm

      Book it, Kat.
      Strike, lockout, whatever you want to call it. It’s happening after next season.
      Players are pissed off about the lux tax, among other things. Owners are not interested any more in giving LT deals worth hundreds of millions. They want to go towards an NFL model. Hell, they don’t even want to pay for the minor leagues, and they’ve already treated the minor league guys like indentured servants for decades. Host families, anyone? This is what happens when baseball teams are owned by people that are in it to treat it like a bauble, like an ornament, it’s not critical to their livelihood, and they are used to getting their way. Charles Johnson is worth $4 billion or more, baseball is just a portfolio investment; he doesn’t give a crap whether the games are played as much as an owner whose life is tied up in the game. He and lackey Baer like the real estate development associated with it — at least they did before Covid. It’s going to get very ugly…

  61. snarkk said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:36 pm

    If they play Bart and any of these other minor league dudes for even one pitch, does that mean their arbitration time starts ticking?
    I’m predicting a lot of pulled muscles once the teams start to play. My guess is this thing is going to blow up fairly soon after it starts with lots of players or support staff testing positive…

  62. sandog said, on June 23, 2020 at 9:40 pm

    LOVE your 7:52 Flav! All of the partisan politics keeps me from spending much time on here as well.
    60 games is ridiculous and I would still prefer a cancelled season (and obviously I may still get my wish), but if it gets this place back to talking about baseball, that would be awesome.

  63. willedav said, on June 24, 2020 at 7:35 am

    Cautiously optimistic baseball, like soccer in England and Europe, and pro baseball in Korea and Taiwan, can get itself going and figure out how best to safely protect players and support staff. Second what SD said–it will be nice to get back to talking (mostly) baseball and where/how Giants fit in.

  64. unca_chuck said, on June 24, 2020 at 8:11 am

    Their citizenry isn’t intrinsically stupid.


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