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The worst part about *Bobby Bonilla Day* is that we have to hear about it every year until he turns 72.
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Bonilla’s $1m annual salary? Who cares. The $1.5m monthly salary Boston sent to Pablo in 2018 and 2019 was pretty amusing though.
No. Mets division should be fun and they can take one of their poorer fielding better hitters into LU every day.
As far as talk about Giants competing, they have one of toughest schedules (ranked 4th by F/G) in all of baseball. Hope focus is on getting good look at younger guys and figuring out what to do with aging IF.
Beside just their own division with 3 very good playoff level teams, they have to face Astros and A’s. The A’s won what 97 games and had to settle for 2nd last year. As Yahoo noted, without opposing fans screaming at them constantly Stros aren’t going to suffer this year. Texas and Angels are better this year too.
Adding DH to NL plus fences moved in at the O to accomodate new pens, none of this will help Giants pitching to lower -100 run differential from last year when they had Smith and Bum.
I don’t know what the Giants true plans are for this season but it looks like the thought is we are paying these vets a salary so lets play em for 60 days.
For those who get the Athletic there is a wonder article on Darrell Evans.
wonderful
Assuming the “season” is played as MLB is on track for, what’s it going to take to get the the playoffs this year and can this club get the Ws to arrive there? 35-37 wins?
fwiw, the Z (Szymborski i think) guy on fangraphs did a column 6/24 using ZIPS to make projections he titled “far too early” for Ws.
In NL he had ATL and WAS winning East with 34. Mets with 31.
In Central he had Cubs winning it with 32 followed by STL MIL CIN 31.
In West he had LA winning 38 SD 32 AZ 30
So SD at minimum of 32 would get them into WC.
Good points – I just did a quick check of 2019 division leaders winning percentage.
I think Bruce Sutter is packing in more deferred cash than Bonilla…
One guy I’m wondering about for SF is Solano. He had nice season in 200 ABs backing up around IF. Only hit 4 HRs but had 13 doubles and very high slugging for this team that wound up OPS .815. Only guys with higher slugging pct last year were Yaz Vogt Dick and Sandoval.
Doing the math though… Belt Dubon Flores Crawford Longoria and Sandoval =6 IFs. Carrying 7 might work when they are allowed 30, but that only lasts 2 weeks; roster is then set at 28 and then after another 2 weeks roster goes back down to 26. 2 Catchers and 5 OF only leave so much room.
He seems like productive versatile part time player, right up Z/Kapler alley so I just wonder if they have a spot for him. Craw and Belt are in final season; Longoria has 2 more 2021/2022. Sandoval has how much left? Obviously he thinks he can make big club or he wouldn’t have come back and resigned.
2020 to me is throwaway season where Kapler and FO evaluate and plan for 2021 and beyond. Figuring how to add talent (and maybe some power) to IF has to be major focus. Only high IF prospect beside Luciano (who might not be an IF going forward) is Wilson, who won’t play this year unless they add him in expanded roster.
Willie, you mentioned this the other day and I was down with what you said (despite indicating I still have zero interest in this joke of a season, insofar who wins, dumb ass new rules, etc.). The ONLY reason to play these games, insofar as the Giants are concerned is for what you said earlier and what you’ve repeated more or less above . . . Kapler, Z and the new GM have to evaluate the youngsters. This is especially important, since the minor leagues have all been canceled (see below). Consequently, for most, if not all of these 60 games – I don’t want to see the Belts, Crawfords, or Poseys of the world playing much. Conversely, I do want to see the Lucianos, Dubons, etc., playing a lot.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29390182/key-questions-minor-league-baseball-officially-cancels-2020-season
The business with Solano has mystified me as well.
Ditto Gustave.
Thanks,Winder: Dylan’s always a treat–his earlier stuff, anyway. Hadn’t heard this one in maybe 5 years. Brings back some sweet memories.
That was the first time i heard that one with half the Beatles backing him up.
Prong That Guy – Fn circus clown
Giants signed Bailey #1 pick, $3.8 mil bonus.
how is this going to effect baseball being played in CA?
Peerhaps the most concerning element to this whole lockdown shtick is the longterm effect it will likely have on children–most particularly the younger ones–who will effectively be programmed for life in a prison planet. When people are conditioned to maintain their distance, there will probably be an embedding situation developing with youngsters who already tend to be shy, sociophobic and leery of the most deeply grounded of essential group experiences in the maturation process.
Stix- with all the electronics, phones, etc, kids are not near as active as they used to be. But most don’t stay around the house near as much as this virus has put us lately. When I was a kid my parents didn’t want me hanging around the house at all. Left in the morning stayed out most all day everyday and came home for dinner, most of the time. Different world. The kids will suffer with dysfunctional families.
If teams ARE going to try to play the mini-season, why not make winning a cheapie championship a high priority?
It’d be pretty surreal to see the Giants in a “playoff race” in ‘20.
One of my most deeply felt concerns with baseball’s decision makers is their willingness to kick the minor leagues in the crotch. In doing this, baseball is not only destroying its own foundation; they are also messing up the lives of perhaps hundreds of thousands of Mi-lB fans as well as about 3,000 minor league players and support staff in those venues. In my opinion, the lockdown grows more farcical every day.
A lot of minor leaguers are just starting out with brand new families. i guess they can get unemployment at least for awhile. Wouldn’t surprise me if the shit really starts flying pretty soon. I think this is why people were buying more guns than usual a couple of months ago.
To what end? You don’t think people are dying, Stix? Do you not think prisons aren’t getting ravaged by this? This will have little effect on children as they are the most adaptable to whatever comes out of this.
The stupidity in all this, as proven by MANY other countries, is in opening things too early and not killing the first wave.
We are going to roll into winter with this out of control and it will only get much much worse. This happened in 1918-1919. Most of the deaths around the Spanish flu came in the 2nd wave because everyone thought, ‘yeah, we’re good’. We weren’t. With the cases skyrocketing now, the death toll will follow suit in the next few months.
Unca: Of course people are dying. The majority of them are those who contacted the virus when they were already severely compromised in life-expectancy. As for prisons, I could and will write a book about the one I was in–a cross between a sardine-can, a goldfish bowl and a monkey cage. We do not really know how the distribution of the virus –the pandemic–will extend. Bill Gates assures us, however,, that the second wave will come about in the October-November period. He should know. In his Ted talk in Houston three years ago, he commented: “We can wipe out a lot of humanity if we can just get vaccines into more people.”
No offense, but I highly doubt Gates said that.
Not only doubt Zum . . . He didn’t say that. I just did an exhaustive search and there is ONLY 1 citation (a conspiracy site) that even alludes to this. Come on Stix, did you really think we wouldn’t investigate that? Or, do you actually believe this BS?
In his TED talk Gates predicted a global pandemic was inevitable. But not by vaccine.
Look up the Ted Talk. According to another report Gates allegedly appeared on a TedTalk in California, ca.2010. “If we are doing a real good job vaccinating children we can reduce the world population by ten to fifteen percent.”
Do some research. If you wander off the ranch and access non-corporate sources you should discover that Gates is big on eugenics and population reduction. You might also want to check out Ted Turner’s role with the Georgia Guidestones. Note: Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source as organized mobs of very special people infest that service to assure that the site never goes “off message.”
Stix, the bad spikes in Southern Calif. follow reckless beach binges over Memorial Day weekend. Florida is worse. And Texas has just begun to bite it. In the Bay Area, though, as Flavor and others have mentioned, we’re doing pretty well for a huge urban area. My neighbors with young kids send them out to ride their bicycles and play catch in the street and so forth. The parents tell me how hard things are, but their overarching concern seems to be the fucking survival of their kids. This is the new social reality.
Most people, especially the profit-mongers, have tried to deny climate change. (The west coast grey whales would protest, if they weren’t so busy dying off. Etc.) But most people can’t deny the very real threat and the very real impact of this pandemic. The new social reality isn’t good; but insofar as it can reinforce personal responsibility and mutual respect, it’s better than the alternative. I really don’t find it all that difficult to wear a mask or to be sure not to run over kids playing in the street.
By the by, even if Gates did say this, I would bet a million dollars (his) that he was taken out of context or was definitely joking about it. Regardless, if Gates said anything famously quoted or related to vaccines, it was probably his quote, “If anything kills over 10 million people in the next few decades, it’s likely to be a highly infectious virus rather than a war. Not missiles, but microbes.” He said that at a TED talk.
Gates is the one who predicted a global pandemic would happen. Obama built the infrastructure to deal with this. But by no means did Gates say that it would be transmitted via vaccine. it would be the old tried-and-true way of people doing strange shit and causing the outbreak.
Trump on the other hand dismantled the pandemic team, kit and caboodle, gave our PPE equipment to China, and then whined about Obama. Fucking worthless piece of shit. The Trump death clock is close to 80,000.
Anyone who goes by only culturally-acceptable and “reliable” sources, is definitely “on message” and remains acceptable to the .00001%. At this point the primary message of the virus is FEAR and its concomitant exposure to emotional overload.
Please do explore a broad spectrum of sources and bear in mind that the term “conspiracy theory” was broadcast by the CIA through numerous hangouts in response to the American public’s growing cynicism regarding the “Magic Bullet Theory” foisted by the LBJ appointed Warren Coverup Commission. My recall of that era is quite clear and I have thoroughly researched the matter over the years.
Neither are the fringe elements of information correct, Stix. People can choose who or what they believe. Regardless of facts or verification. The holocaust deniers, the 9/11 deniers, JFK, Castro, whatever. Any major event has its own galaxy of bullshit surrounding it.
I don’t go by one source for information or even 3, 5 or 10, but common sense plays a part in things. Just because things happened in the past doesn’t make everything a conspiracy. So many on the right have a grand scheme of the deep state infiltrating everything under the sun, yet they can’t make the connection between Trump and Russia.
Go figure.
you covered a lot here.
Unc: Big problem is partisanship. Right-Left–Blue-Red. Julius Caesar came up with the formula more than 2,000 years ago: “Divide et Impere”. (divide and rule)
Yes, Virginia, there is a Deep State. Though Trump may have glommed onto the concept, it is for real. And if you think the trumpster is running things, think again. Last Summer he announced he would have American troops pulled outta Syria and Iraq. He was immediately corrected by Bolting and Pomposity. So we had prima facie evidence of the National $ecurity Advi$or and the $ecretary of $tate over-ruling the alleged chief executive.
As for Trump and Russia, consider the fact that under the Obaminable administration the U$, with a huge assist from George $oro$ engineered the violent overthrow of the legitimate, elected government of Ukraine. That one was pulled off when the major Russian infrastructure was deeply involved with the Sochi Olympics, which the Deep $tate engineered a U$ boycott.
Perhaps you have not payed much attention to how regularly the corporate media and the retired military talking-heads go whole hog to demonize Putin and Russia. That is because the single biggest profit-makers for the financial insiders is the WarDefense industry. President Eisenhower warned us about that one in his Farewell Address in 1961.
The closest individual we have had since the job on JFK was Jimmy Carter. He meant to do well. However, he was being managed by Zbigniew Brzesinski.
Stix, I am going to explain this one time and hopefully, you will read the entire citation I have on this . . . so, here goes:
Gates is not interested in using vaccines to reduce the population by using them as an agent of death or a tool to sterilize unsuspecting masses. Rather, Gates is interested in keeping more children alive in order to reduce the need for parents to have more children, thus limiting the overall population growth rate.
Now, the rest is up to you – you must read the entire Snopes explanation or you will continue to believe this ludicrous conspiracy (my opinion).
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/
Blade: Read the Snopes piece more than once. My source was not ‘Your news wire’. Read over the Ted Talk 2010 about three times. On that one there could readily be more than one interpretation as the information was rather incomplete–not comprehensive.
Seems like Astra-Zeneca has cornered the vaccine market on this one–at least that’s the latest I’ve read. That outfit dates back to Sir Alfred Mond, a founder of the trans-Atlantic Pilgrims Society and an offshoot of Imperial Chemicals Industries PLC and also connected with Rio Tinto Zinc (somewhat recently renamed). Then the connexions trace back to City of London, the world financial center and to the very highest rungs of finance capital. That makes me suspicious. Best estimates of time needed to develop a vaccine is four years, ac-cording to what I’ve been able to determine. All of a sudden there appears to be one around the corner.
Melinda Gates theory that when mortality drops, so do birthrates, strikes me as a bit limited in scope. Much of attribution of high birth rates should go to cultural memes and mores. Birthrates have fallen exponentially in China, in part due to the one child per family dictate from Beijing, but more likely resultant from urbanization hooked up with industrialization in that country. If you live in a cramped apartment in a high-rise building you do not need a crowd of kids to help in the rice paddies.
At Elkton, a number of the younger guys from the mean streets of Chicago and Detroit were constantly bragging about the number of “Ho’s and Bitches” they had knocked-up. Amish folk have been moving into my neighborhood over the past 15 years or so. I drew a picture of a bed after asking one of my Amish friends if he’d ever seen a picture of an Amish home-entertainment center. Got belly-laughs on that one and in less than a week it had made its way through their entire community and probably back to their relates in Wisconsin. Guys at the local pub got quite a kick outta someone joking about Mexicans getting jealous at the size of Amish families. Clean vaccines may be helpful in some cultures, but I remain unconvinced they are a vade-macum.
Will need to do some more vetting on reports I have read about Gates having broadly employed a polio vaccine in India and that there were numerous complaints of them effectually sterilizing their recipients. The upshot was that Gates and his vacs became persona non grata in that country. Again, this information is unsubstantiated, but who can you trust–what with black-propaganda and limited-hangouts all over the place.
Kasprak cited Forbes magazine. I’m a bit leery of that publication due to their most recent listing of their “500”. Only billionaires. Not a trillionaire in the lot. As far back as 1931 at least one NewYork Newspaper lauded John D. Rockefeller as the world’s first trillionaire. Needless to say Forbes, Barrons or The Economist make no mention of controlled assets. Point is, we are frequently mislead by the mainstream media, whether by misleading facts or by more nefarious methods. Even on this wonderful machine, their spell-check function does not want to accept “trillionaire”. Guess they’re a bit like the Deep $tate. Unmentionable…at least in politically correct polite company.
And what about CV19? In 2005, Donald Rumsfeld and the Baby Bu$h regime concocted a Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness for total confinement of the American people in the event of a bio-terrorist attack.
That concept was remodeled by the Rockefeller Foundation in 2010. So how did the major lockdown come about so rapidly? Neil Furguson, head of Britain’s Science Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) predicted 550,000 British deaths, 2.2 million American deaths and 80 million cases from the virus. On previous occasions Fearguson predicted huge death totals from Mad Cow, Bird Flu which never happened. In 2009 he convinced The WHO that the H1N1 flu would kill masses of people. Millions of vaccines were developed for that one. At $10 per dose they generally went unused as that precursor turned out to be a dud. Governments were out billions as Big Pharma profited.
Ferguson’s predictions were immediately taken up by Fauci and the boys and whammo, kazammo,the lockdown transpired. A couple weeks back one source commented that as of that date actual deaths from CV19 totaled around 250,000 worldwide. In 2017 some 1.5 million perished from the common seasonal flu.
My question is whether we are dealing with an actual pandemic or a gone crazy exemplar of Murphy’s law?
A little off topic but Oregon has got the legalization of Magic Mushrooms on the November ballot. I for one am gonna vote for it and if it passes I will be going to the store to get some.
Anyone who promotes mass genocide through whatever means(vaccines, Jim Jones juice, cyanide gas. etc.) is most definitely a psycho.
the last time I took mushrooms it was in a Portland graveyard at midnight. It went about how you’d expect it might go.
I’ll bet my midday experience swimming under the waterfall at Misol Ha was, well, sunnier. I’m not sure that’s the last time I took mushrooms, but it was memorable.
that dovetails into the last time I took acid. It was 1987, Laguna Seca Grateful Dead show. Man, what a weekend. Anyway, I was there with my girlfriend Kathy, she killed herself in 2016 but that’s not part of the story. It was an all day/all night festival, we were out during the day show, I remember it was so so hot. We had been drinking beers all morning and we were both pretty dehydrated. Bottles of water were getting passed around and everyone in the crowd was sharing them. I slammed the bottle Kathy gave me and as I had the bottle pointed up into the hot sun I could see the bottom of the bottle—probably 10 tabs of acid in that puppy. At that point instead of trying to vomit it up I just decided to roll with it. Craziest day/night I’ve ever had. I ended up back at the tent for the evening with Kathy. We were trying to have sex but the blue tent kept turning into this huge blue wave that kept crashing down on me. That, among other things, prevented us from doing the deed that night…..
well, acid’s different than mushrooms or peyote. I never got the same powerful connection to the wild unified organic world on acid. The only time I tried mushrooms with a woman we ended up falling asleep after twelve hours. When we woke, things were fine. But I think acid’s good. I surfed on acid once. My board changed shape under my feet, shortening up as I dropped and turned, to be quick, and then going long and sleek as I sped on the walls. Good trip. The underlying source of acid is an otherwise poisonous organic chemical from a fungus that feeds on rye. So there must be a wild link there. But it’s not as mystical as mushrooms. (Or peyote.) Whatever happened in that graveyard must’ve been remarkable.
Dude! You sure know how to pick your venues.
It’s been years but the last time I ate em I ended up shooting pool in a little beer bar in Sunnyvale. I had fun.
quick shout out to Kat, who was supposed to be getting new hip today. Hope that went smoothly and he is recovering safely.
Yes
“major Russian infrastructure was deeply involved with the Sochi Olympics, which the Deep $tate engineered a U$ boycott.”
Stix, the U.S. did not boycott the Sochi Olympics, if that’s what you’re saying.
Pink Floyd, 1988 was the last time I dropped. Hell of a show, but I went easy on it. the time before that, I did a similar thing, Craig. I had 8 hits for 4 people in a tiny plastic container that i thought was waterproof. It was in the cooler with the beer and the entire thing filled up with water, so the 4 of us took sips to get our dose. 2 of us, one of them me, got REAL high, 1 caught a little, and the 4th, nothing. It was a very long days, night, and next day and night.
George Soros is the boogieman! And, Stix, the US didn’t boycott the Sochi Olympics, and the Orange Revolution in Ukraine happened under Bush II. Gawd. Nothing about the Koch Bros?
Unca: The Orange matter happened maybe a decade before the CIA-trained Galician snipers at Maidan Square took out both security forces and protesters. The government lost face and next thing you know, Ambassador Vicky Nuland (wife to PNAC honcho Robert Kagan) was passing out cookies. Little Georgie of the Sorrows was a financial enabler in that one too as well as the so-called “Rose Revolution” in Georgia (No, not Hotlanta) but was overthrown and replaced by a more “American friendly” regime. $oro$ pulled off the same kinda stunt in Yugoslavia. Do you dare to do any in-depth research on Soros, or is Dylan’s line appropriate: ” A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.”
The Sochi boycott was not formal. Rather it was deeply excoriated by the controlled media, including the talking heads on boobtoob noose. Also, Obama only sent in his C-team to attend with the various international luminaries.
The acid test? Its been a few years. Best one was in a bar in North Beach in October of ’69. Took me back at least one lifetime. Better, though, was the singular time I was able to connect with a brown tab of synthetic mescaline while reading Dane Rudhyar’s “The Astrology of Personality”. Drew me a self-portrait as an anthropomorphic projector and then took a walk on that snowy December night in Judy Garland’s home town. Never did see any yellow brick road and couldn’t make out Toto. But those faces in the birch trees…
That lyric’s from The Boxer by Simon and Garfunkel, unless there’s a Dylan song that has it too?
Yeah, Mac, I asked that question a week or so again when that quote came up…. not Dylan.
What a great site.
https://neilyoungarchives.com/movie-night
If you go to the site play the porch episode. It’s Neil Young being political. Good stuff.
We all know Europe has kicked ass on CV19, compared to us. They won’t let us visit now, because we’re so disease-ridden. Meanwhile, the Netherlands has given the ok for its famous whores to return to work. “Doin’ anything special tonight? My boss is throwin a party.” “Naw, thanks. Tough week. I think I’ll just smoke some dope and hit the brothel early.”
Ah yes, Xoot. Recall strolling down the Leidseplein on an April evening. The 20 y.o. law student from Mexico City kept slowing down the stroll and then excused himself when his eyes got glued to this apparition in a slinky red dress behind this picture-window and promptly excused himself, only to come back to the street in another 20 minutes or so. I just walked up and down the street for awhile. Great people watching in that little corner of the world–just 3-4 blocks from the youth-hotel Parima where I was staying and about 6 or 7 from the Central Station where I’d arrived from Paris, where I stayed at Hotel Cujas for something like 20 francs per night, clear up in the garret, but only a long spit or stone’s throw from the Sorbonne.
Back to Flav’s original topic, this is the Mets fans’ spin: By deferring payments to Bonilla, the Mets were able to sign Mike Hampton. When Hampton left Queens for the Rox and the wonderful Colorado school system as a free agent, the Mets received a compensation pick. That pick turned out to be David Wright.
wasn’t Loo staring up the stairs at some long-legged bare young ass when Cain beaned Wright?
Ha, right. Or Wright.
Seems ridiculous to me to have discussions about what the Giants would have to do to reach the *post season* this *season*. I was ambivalent about this *season* but figured as long as the team was using it as a seriously focused stepping stone to usher the future in as soon as possible, sure, why not. Steve and Willie earlier said what I’ve been saying and thinking for awhile now about this *season*. The ONLY purpose to this should be evaluation for the future. Infield: Longoria, Pablo, Craw, Belt…. ugh ugh ugh. If those guys are getting major at-bats, the Giants are still living in the previous decade. What a waste of an opportunity to have a 60-game “spring training”. Honestly, I wouldn’t even watch if that was the case.
Not that it matters, considering the state of Corona in the US now. I’ll be surprised if they get 10 games in before it all gets shut down.
Sorry, I’m in a bummer mood this morning (Thur. a.m. here): After 76 days of NO, none, zilch, new Corona cases in Vietnam, yesterday one popped up. It had seemed the country had eliminated it from the community. Now it’s back, and everyone here is “ohhhh noooooo”….. Still hoping it was a false positive on that one. Anyway, stay safe, ya’ll.
They can just go for it. Play everyone, platoon everyone, mix the pitchers, switch the hitters to match the pitchers being mixed by the other team, with no worries about minor injuries or fatigues because there will be players on the 60 man waiting to jump in. Just go for it. Let’s see em all play as hard as they can. wtf not?
Sure, why not, hope that’s how they do it. If Bochy was still managing, I’m sure we’d see Longo, Belt, Craw, a lot. I was hoping with the change of management, that wouldn’t be the case. Remains to be seen.
Are some people really still questioning the validity of Corona being a pandemic? sheesh.
Haven’t you heard, it’s a hoax….
Yeah, I heard that somewhere. But not from anyone who’s dying of the shit.
“The Sochi boycott was not formal. Rather it was deeply excoriated by the controlled media, including the talking heads on boobtoob noose. Also, Obama only sent in his C-team to attend with the various international luminaries.”
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
I think you’re not supposed to understand what it means. That’s the point of vague conspiracy theories.
The old implied boycott.
And the C team?
Looking up skirts never gets old…
I can’t imagine a better opportunity to experiment with robo-umps.
I’m sure they have the technology.
Why the hell not?
Robo Umps, Intentional BB Rule, restrictions on mound visits, minimum batters faced for RP’s – This is not The Game I love – This stuff causes me heartburn and chapped ass – Those who support these game & culture changes to Baseball might consider accelerating their regressive views of The Game by curling up on their closet wet spots and “sticking” to video game baseball Lol?