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Tough Start

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 4, 2020

I actually missed the Dickerson drop. I came back in the room, it was slow motion of him at the fence and the ball bouncing away. I never actually saw a replay. Was it an easy ball to catch? Either way, that dude isn’t in the line up for his defense.

Wonderful to see Tromp and Yaz go yard. Even in Colorado, it’s great to see at least a couple of guys hit the ball over the fence.

The defense has been terrible, probably chalk that up to the Covid break and not enough time to get their timing back on everything.

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  1. willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:38 am

    Original LU I saw had Duggar in RF, where he has played few times he’s been in there, and Dickerson in LF. wondered why switch was made. The dropped ball he had briefly in his glove then fumbled and dropped at wall cost 3 bags.
    The missed cut off man by Dickerson cost another run later. LF is usually where worst OF is placed. Kap has to find somewhere to fit Dick (at least vs. RHP) and Flores in there and only one of them can DH. Belt is gonna play 1b vs. RHP, Solano Craw Longo fixtures on IF with Dubon odd man out lately.
    Btw I think as of Thursday Giants need to trim 2 off roster.

    • chipower9 said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:12 am

      I think you’re right…they must cut roster down by two on Thursday.

  2. willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:42 am

    Pads hit 3 solo bombs off Buehler at Petco and beat LA last night. Grisham Myers (hey not only off Giants) and Tatis all went yard and they survived one from Joc who had 2 OF assists and one in 9th from Bellinger off closer Yates that cut deficit to one run. Both teams now 7-4.

    • chipower9 said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:13 am

      As I said on previous threads, the Pads are the real deal, IMO. They’re lineup is stacked.

      • Carstie Clausen said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:36 am

        Agreed. The LaBumbos have serious competition. It could come down to this: Giants take two more games from LA than from SD. Friar Tuckers edge the Smoggers by one game.

  3. Carstie Clausen said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:34 am

    Steeep learning curve for Kapler. Rotation is slightly, ever so slightly coming around as Cueto made it to 80 pitches without losing his edge. We’ll take a bye on Smardj, presuming the blister was the cause of his meltdown. Webb is still finding his footing, but likely to emerge. Smykly. and Gausman still question marks in my book.

    Bullpen problems are largely due to (1. overload due to starters not yet striding and (2. massive confusion as to roles and capabilities. This may get sorted out before September rolls in.

    Rebuilding teams are always in a state of inner turmoil, particularly when there very few anchors and voices of high-performing veterans. Even though his bat and power numbers had sagged, Buster was the heart and brains of the team. Sorely missed. Kapler replacing Bochy AND his staff means there is a black hole in on the field organizational leadership. That’s a quick look at the negatives.

    Positives: Except for the two opening tiffs with the LaBumbos and one with the Friar Tuckers, this team has been IN 8 of the 11 games. For an outfit expected to be the dregs of the NL West,this has been a welcome surprise for Giants fans. There is plenty of spirit and heart and a never say die quality as in game after game the team rallies again and again and the contest is never over till the fat lady ululates.

    Overall, we can basically agree that the staff is a work in progress and may or may not see full positive adjustment this season.

    The offense is unexpectedly encouraging. It is one department where Kapler needs to and can get his shit together. Holding off on Pence opening last night was a step in the right direction. But Belt at cleanup is simply silly. Dude has NEVER been an RBI man, but with his propensity for free passes, needs to bat either 2nd or 8th. Ninth would be a bit much of an insult. Because of his high OBP, the 2-holer would potentially be his most productive siting. Who leads off? Still up in the air. Our best hitter overall and the one most feared by opposing pitchers is the Yazman. He bats third. Solano is a no-brainer for cleanup. Then follows Longo in the Enforcer role. Dickdick #6. Toss in Whillmerrr batting seventh. Leadoff, 8th and tail-gunner are still up for grabs. Anybody got suggestions?

    Most of us tuned into the season expecting the team to be flat and boring. So far, so not too bad.

    • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:48 am

      That’s a new one for me…

      ululate
      [ uhl-yuh-leyt, yool- ]
      verb (used without object), ul·u·lat·ed, ul·u·lat·ing.

      to howl, as a coyote or wolf, or to hoot, as an owl.
      to utter a loud, long, high-pitched, trilling sound that resembles a howl, especially to express grief or joy: the Middle Eastern custom of ululating at weddings and funerals.
      to lament loudly and shrilly.

    • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 10:17 am

      A few years back, Pence was our leadoff hitter for a good chunk of a season.
      Might’ve been during a Pagan injury.
      Don’t put it past them…

  4. willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:36 am

    speaking of defense, where Giants have committed most errors in NL…Tromp is good story and has hit ball hard but leaving plate wide open when he didn’t need to was a mental error that cost a run. Looked like he just reacted instinctively when Dickerson’s errant throw got past cut off, without realizing pitcher had it covered.
    Heinemann has 2 errors for C interference already, a play you rarely ever see in 162 game season. Plus he’s botched the rundowns. Both of these guys have pitches just bounce completely away off their mitts, uncaught, which reminds me of stuff the Prez used to do.
    So as Baggs mentioned in tweet yesterday, Posey’s absence has been felt.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:41 am

      What all this tells me is that the BART system needs to get on line soonest. Could be Joey is our cool hand Luke. Though green, the kid could be the kedge-anchor/rock.

    • Flavor said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:58 am

      Sure they miss his defense, the way pitchers jizz at his signs, but they don’t miss that limp bat one iota.

      • willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 10:03 am

        see what happens next season when he is fully recovered and healthy. I think this season would have been different too. Would have given him a chance to help either Heine or Tromp, pitchers and Kapler too.

  5. Winder said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:37 am

    I still see a lot of potential in this team. Until we iron out some things(pitching mostly) we probably won’t see to many flawless games. It looks like we are building a good team attitude and that means everything.

  6. gianthead said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:46 am

    That Dick drop was hard to swallow…puns fully intended…

  7. gianthead said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:52 am

    And I know you all have been saying to yourselves…how have the Lotte Giants been doing??? Well glad you asked…

    Playing good ball of late and climbed back up to .500 and now one game over after a sterling 8-0 shutout this morning. Now they are just 2 games out of 5th place and a playoff spot. Think they have a number of games left…so there is hope! What is there no hope os me receiving my Lotte Giants hat that had been ordered 3 months ago and finally they cancelled it.

  8. alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 9:45 am

    The pickup of that pitcher Humphreys for Hamilton could end up being a Zman special for next year.Kid has a big league body 6’3 217lbs .Threw well throughout his times with the Mets.Time will tell..

    What mystified me was to add Humphrey to the taxi squad team( is that what they call it?) they DFA Juval sp)Gustave who showed a lot last year in his role.Something obviously went wrong, attitude?work ethics? cause he didn’t even get a look in ST, went right to Sac Squad. He got in Zman’s doghouse and never got out of it and now he’s gone,I would be curious if Z would ever mentioned what happened..

    • willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 10:05 am

      they dumped Triggs off to Sac for Suarez too according to Hank. See who else goes Thursday.

    • xoot said, on August 4, 2020 at 10:32 am

      I saw somewhere that Humphreys had an ulnar nerve problem after he rehabbed from TJ surgery.

      • alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:00 am

        Hmmm wonder if the Giants crack medical staff knew about this injury before pulling the trigger?
        Not a good injury to have after TJ surgery already, believe it’s a numbness to your fingers, not good for a pitcher to deal with..

  9. xoot said, on August 4, 2020 at 10:39 am

    One beat writer tweeted out something like an explanation for Dick’s RF start: LF at Coors is a larger expanse, tougher to play. On the other hand, he’s used to LF — the angles, etc. You’d think a throw to the IF from mid range would be about the same, though. That “errant” throw was LL caliber.

    On angles, Longo’s odd backhand error occurred while he was playing 2B, in a huge shift. A ground ball like that bounced toward 3B would’ve been played by the coach in the box. Longo’s recently returned, maybe getting his bearings a bit. But moving guys around constantly, whether in the LU or in the shift, adds some difficulty. Instinct’s important. A smart team probably could prepare for constant flux in ST. No chance for that this year.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on August 4, 2020 at 10:50 am

      Good evaluations. Not unexpected, though.

      • xoot said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:01 am

        Both are trouble, but I think I’d rather see Los Flores Errores in the IF than Alex stepping all over his dick in the OF. Put the DH condom on Dick.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on August 4, 2020 at 2:29 pm

      Xoot: Would that be a condominimum?

      • xoot said, on August 4, 2020 at 2:32 pm

        well, maybe. I was thinking: “responsible prophylaxis.”

  10. Bozo said, on August 4, 2020 at 10:53 am

    Like Wilco, I too had an unforgettable encounter with Ralph Barbieri back in 93, since I wasn’t a fan it wasn’t as positive. I was flying to Atlanta for work and he was sitting two rows behind me. Before we even took off some idiot asked Ralph how he got started in the biz. This was a direct flight and for 4 hours I could hear that voice ramble on, for me it was brutal. I easily went over my per diem buying myself drinks on that flight.
    I did get to go to the Giants games and I saw John Patterson’s HR to stop the chop, unfortunately I was at the other two games for the losses also.

    • xoot said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:17 am

      Ouch! I wasn’t a Razor Voice fan either.

    • alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:18 am

      4 hours listening to that raspy voice, would have me doubling up my drink 🥃 order as well..

      • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:37 am

        When a person dies, everything people might not have liked about them suddenly becomes charming…

  11. sandog said, on August 4, 2020 at 10:54 am

    I’d be fine if the 2 guys they dropped on Thursday were Pence and Pablo.

    • alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:13 am

      Lulz 😂 If only we could be that lucky Sandog!!

      Off subject..Pretty bitchin to have the PGA championship at Harding Park this week/weekend!
      Played this course a few times, just love the setup, with tight eucalyptus fairways, should be a good test for these pros..Cracking me up the Golf channel is tripping out with the fog drizzle conditions in Aug.! Shit welcome to SF,says Mark Twain!!
      Bummer no fans allowed,would make this event even more exciting, but alas the world we live in today..

      Hey Clown, Glad to see you posting thought maybe u were hunkering down with your family, storm miss your area?

      • xoot said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:19 am

        yeah, how’s the hurricane lamp holding up?

      • Bozo said, on August 4, 2020 at 12:12 pm

        Thanks for asking, it went through last night, just cleaning up some of the debris this afternoon. Mostly a wind event for us with gusts I think in the mid to upper 60s. It started up around midnight here and continued until about 6 or 7 am, Just minor flooding and some over wash in my area. I thought that given the high humidity and warm ocean the storm might get a bit nastier, but we lucked out.
        It’s the 3 days of prep work that kills me. One, because I’m an old man and two, because it always seems to be about 1,000 degrees with a million percent humidity when these storms come to visit. Since you never really know what they’ll do, ya still have to go through the prep work every damn time.

  12. Flavor said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:12 am

    The last year Posey hit 20 homeruns, something anyone in baseball can do now, was 2014……

    • xoot said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:26 am

      Posey started to lose his power at exactly the same time the ball got juiced (AS break, 2016, iirc). Posey had 11 HRs in the first half of 2016, 3 in the second. The hip was shot. Maybe he comes back fairly strong after this potential rehab year. Maybe he retires. But if he’s healthy, he’ll get his 20, especially if the Giants keep RF mufffled.

      • Flavor said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:38 am

        I am praying they keep RF muffled but doubt they will.

  13. zumiee said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:26 am

    Z will sometimes pick up a player recovering from an injury if he sees good potential. With the Dodgers, he drafted Buehler knowing that Beuhler had to have TJ surgery after he was drafted. Z was willing to wait on him. The potential was so promising.

    • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:41 am

      Wonder if he’s given up on Villalona…

  14. Flavor said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:41 am

    Xoot that is an astute call about when Posey began losing power. I would think that the juiced ball would have at least help him retain a scintilla of power. You might be right, of the hip was just completely shot from 2016 onward maybe he comes back and hits 20. I think there’s at least a 30% chance he retires tho

    • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:47 am

      I gotta say zero chance he walks away from guaranteed $25 million left on his deal.
      Why did they close off the RF arches?

      • Flavor said, on August 4, 2020 at 12:01 pm

        how many million did he walk away from this year? Prorated, I don’t know how they’re calculating it. Had to be 7 mill at least right? Buster has more money than he knows what to do with and apparently being a dad is a big priority for him. I could see him walking away, but it’s not likely. It’s more than 0% lol.
        They closed the knot hole up I’m not sure what else they closed up. All of it? What else is there besides the knot hole?

      • zumiee said, on August 4, 2020 at 12:03 pm

        The arches were closed because the Giants didn’t want people clumped together to watch through the chain link fence as usual. Not in these Covid times.

      • xoot said, on August 4, 2020 at 12:22 pm

        yeah, that “knothole” is actually a good-sized cavern.

      • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 12:27 pm

        Thanks, Zum.
        If keeping it closed will cause any loss of revenue, you can bet they’ll re-open it…

  15. alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 11:47 am

    Side by Side showing of Tiger&Phil on the practice tees..
    Tiger’s all bundled up,Phil’s in Shorts 🩳 Lol 😂

  16. xoot said, on August 4, 2020 at 12:27 pm

    Is 24 hours long enough? Maybe. Classic Barbieri, one afternoon on my drive home from work:

    Beat writer Henry Schulman is on the show. Barbieri, abruptly changing the subject: “Whaddayadinkaduh do deals?” Schulman, politely: “What?” “WHADDAYADINKADUH DO DEALS????” “Oh, the two deals, Garko and Sanchez. Well, they’re very different players, but . . . .”

  17. chipower9 said, on August 4, 2020 at 1:16 pm

    1 M. Yastrzemski, CF
    2 A. Dickerson, RF
    3 B. Belt, 1B
    4 E. Longoria, 3B
    5 P. Sandoval, DH
    6 T. Heineman, C
    7 B. Crawford, SS
    8 M. Dubon, 2B
    9 S. Duggar, LF

    K. Gausman, SP

    Hard to be a fan of a line-up that does not include Solano. And fucking Pablo at DH. They need to sit his fat ass for a couple of games. Actually, they need to cut him and Pence.

    • alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 1:22 pm

      And Kapler’s going to keep being stubborn and prove Dickerson can play RF ! Lol with that one Kappy!!

  18. willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 1:16 pm

    wow just saw some isaias footage…hope all on East Coast are OK. thx for Bozo update good to hear.

    • Bozo said, on August 4, 2020 at 1:51 pm

      Every now and then its kinda hard to tell, but I’m still alive and well.

  19. alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    Wow this has to be a first..
    The umpires have pulled all the players off the field in the Pittsburgh/Twins game due to a drone hovering over the stadium! 2020 one crazy fucked up year!!

  20. willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 1:38 pm

    still can’t get over Chris Owings accounting for Rox last run with a bomb last night.
    Last year part time with Royals and RedSox he hit .139, 3 HRs in 180 ABs.
    2018 with AZ he hit .206 4 HRs in 280 ABs.
    Maybe one of Giants weaker power bats responds in kind tonite.

  21. xoot said, on August 4, 2020 at 2:45 pm

    donnie t, earlier today, introducing his secretary of the interior: ” — he loves it. He loves the Interior.”

  22. willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 5:31 pm

    few guys in LU are um due and hopefully get well at Coors Canaveral as Blade used to call it:
    Craw at. 207 0 XBHs in 29 ABs
    Dubon at .227 1 double in 22 ABs
    Heine is hitting .300 but all singles except for 1 double in 20 ABs
    Duggar 1-9 so far with a single
    Pablo um yes OPS probably less than weight

    • willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 5:33 pm

      Sando 2-22 all singles
      OPS .283

  23. djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:08 pm

    For misery, my friend,
    Cherchez Dubon…

  24. willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    best I’ve seen out of Gausman, looks great except for the one over Yaz head to start game.

  25. alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:38 pm

    Bleeder for Blackmon, hopefully doesn’t lead to a big inning..

  26. Macdog said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:40 pm

    Hey, I’m online! We had a bit of wild weather late morning here in Jersey. There was a tornado in a town about 12-13 miles south, it was close enough to knock some siding off our chimney. Also knocked over a dugout at the town Little League complex adjacent to Al Leiter Field (picture below). We lost power for over 9 hours, it finally came back about an hour ago. Finally checking some scores, looks like we’re getting shut out at Coors so far.

    https://patch.com/img/cdn20/users/23182514/20200804/122329/styles/patch_image/public/116899614-10217685135061732-8957465207703806918-o___04122128147.jpg?width=705

    • sandog said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:46 pm

      Wow! Glad you’re ok and back with us.

    • willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:46 pm

      wow

    • alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:46 pm

      Damm MacDog that some wild stuff, hope you and your family are doing well!!
      If you have to throw an empty Jack Daniels bottle at the tornado like in Twister 🌪

    • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:51 pm

      That’s a dugout?
      I would move into that thing tomorrow.
      As is…

      • Macdog said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:54 pm

        In the Mets-Nats game, Soto was dancing on the dugout after a Nats HR. This picture is what would happen if Sandoval tried that.

  27. alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:42 pm

    Fuck Heiney 3 times Catchers interference are you serious that you can’t setup properly behind the plate????

    • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:45 pm

      It’s fuckin’ inexcusable.
      Happened to me once in Little League.
      The batter actually hit the catchers mitt right off my hand and halfway to the mound…

      • sandog said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:49 pm

        Happened to me as a batter in LL. Ump got all fired up yelling interference. I thought it was my fault and I was gonna be called out.

        Loo–you watching or listening this year? I’m listening only, but it is killing me not being able to watch my Mets—especially with so much drama going on with them.

      • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:54 pm

        My nephew got me a subscription to MLB-TV.
        I think it was a thank you for the $40 trillion worth of old record albums I gave him…

  28. willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:48 pm

    I hexed Gascan but the error on the C/I when he had the guy out hurt.
    giants do lead the NL in errors btw. As Loo said, inexcusable to have 3 of these in dozen games. giving the Rox extra outs in this yard is gonna mess the game up.

  29. alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:53 pm

    Yeah I caught some in little league, I always was backed up knowing the hitter couldn’t nail me with a follow thru!!
    I thought I heard Krukow say they were moving Heiney up more behind the plate, why the f… would they do that?

    • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:35 pm

      So he can set a record?

  30. djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:55 pm

    Shades of Dave Augustine – 1973…

    • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    • sandog said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:58 pm

      …speaking of Mets drama

      • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:01 pm

        Good for your boy, Grave Duggar…

      • sandog said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:06 pm

        I love me some Duggar!

  31. alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:57 pm

    The Ian Kinsler moment Krukow you idiot in the W/S!!

    • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:04 pm

      Great call, Kat!

  32. Carstie Clausen said, on August 4, 2020 at 6:58 pm

    Duggar! Whodda thunk it? Willedave did kinda call it—along with some other overdues. If any of them come through WD gets the gold star.

  33. Carstie Clausen said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:00 pm

    What next? Ump says Duggar’s blast was only a double.

  34. alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:08 pm

    Kinda of weird they give Duggar a double but allow to Dubon to score instead of sending him back to 3rd.Guess there was alittle justice there even though we were a fingernail of tying it up..

  35. Flavor said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    that’s a lot of stuff to own

    • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:25 pm

      Think he files a short form?

    • djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:38 pm

      I’ll still outshoot the muthafucka all day long from the FT line…

  36. djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:20 pm

    Shocker…

  37. Flavor said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:21 pm

    i wonder if Kap could stop kissing his peaking biceps for 2 seconds and get Gausman OUT of this fucking game

    • sandog said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:27 pm

      He’s gotta get some innings out of his starters on this “group of death” road trip.

  38. alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    Shaq also owns 9 Papa John’s pizza 🍕 parlors around Atlanta that specializes in extra Shaqeroni on the Pizza

  39. djloo27 said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:28 pm

    Willie Mays and Monte Irvin owned a liquor store in Harlem…

  40. sandog said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:39 pm

    Willie McCovey owned a batting cage on Army St. Not too far from my grandparent’s apartment.

    You old timers remember Army Street??

    Maybe he didn’t own it and someone just paid him to use his name.

  41. Flavor said, on August 4, 2020 at 7:50 pm

    Bumgarner getting blasted by the Cheaters is the least surprising thing I saw today. D-backs gonna completely regret that silly deal….

    • Carstie Clausen said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:32 pm

      Juiced baseballs have been Bum’s ruination. Without good action on his fb, his primo yakkers are either ignored or hung out to dry. Again, the Giants commendable loyalty resulted in an extended contract for mediocrity or worse.

  42. zumiee said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:02 pm

    Craw and Belt are in mid-season Bore Core form.

  43. snarkk said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:15 pm

    Giants playing some real ball squads on this roadie.
    2 wins on it looks about right…

  44. alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:16 pm

    The usual rally killing DP out of Mr Tubbs!

  45. alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    They keep making a shit load of errors they won’t win a single game on this trip..

  46. Carstie Clausen said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:29 pm

    For the first time in a while,the Giants didn’t really rally. Well, what do you expect with Belt in the middle of things and Pablo in the Enforcer role. The latest of the fiascos with men on base was the former Kung Fu Panda grounding into a DP to erase a base-runner leading off the ninth.

    Is Kapler ready to face the music and dump the two peas in a pod (Pence and Pablo) on Thursday? Belt can hang around a while longer, facing righties only and batting only in the two and eight spots where his ability to draw a free pass might just start rather than quell a rally. Sandoval is overweight and overdone. Fork time. Pence has become a characterization of himself, a caricature, actually. Unless this team had a Bomba Squad like last year’s Twins, they need to manufacture runs. That becomes virtually impossible when the heart of the lineup is clogged with dead-wood.

    Considering that they were toiling in the Box of Rox, the pitchers were pretty not totally bad tonight. But then the brain-dead defense. Nothing like shooting yourself in the foot to ensure a loss. Kapler needs to start owning this team on the field–else he’s strictly an interim manager.

  47. mrsprtdude said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:42 pm

    I thought Shaq owned a bunch of Papa Johns too?

  48. Flavor said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:42 pm

    Giants lead MLB in errors. Fix that or this is going to be the longest shortest season in history….

    • sandog said, on August 4, 2020 at 8:54 pm

      Might not be fixible. Could simply be a lack of skilled fielders and something that can’t be remedied by taking extra infield or a firey manager speech.
      I thought your over/under 1.5 for wins on this trip was ridiculous, but they ain’t off to a good start.

  49. alleykat69 said, on August 4, 2020 at 9:53 pm

    2020 really does Suck.Just ask Kelli Johnson who’s contract will not be renewed but will finish out the rest of the postgame show with the Giants. Has to be devastating for her and wish her nothing but the best going forward landing a better job..

  50. willedav said, on August 4, 2020 at 10:02 pm

    Pavs said MLB and union will change the roster cuts agreement. Thursday rosters go down to 28 but that is where they will stay. Also teams will be allowed to carry 5 on taxi squad (in case of injury) instead of 3. Currently Giants have Suarez DRod and newly acquired C/OF Chris Herrmann on taxi squad for road trip.

    Think all the interference calls on Heinie will hasten Bart call up?

  51. willedav said, on August 5, 2020 at 6:59 am

    ha SD yeah I remember “Army” St. Spent a summer mid 70s in hotel just south of there, 3280 Mission. 4 bars within a block, one right across the street from us, Cavanaughs. Great Mexican food couple doors down, best Menudo I’ve ever had, which uh often came in handy. What’s now the El Rio was dance place back then too just a short walk the other direction but still south of Army.

  52. chipower9 said, on August 5, 2020 at 7:22 am

    In reference to willedav’s question about Heinie’s third interference and if it speeds-up a Bart call-up, I sure hope so. If so, who do you think should go? Tromp or Heinie?

  53. willedav said, on August 5, 2020 at 7:39 am

    BHam activated by Mets. Duggar is here to play his role, get on base steal a bag play D in OF. Yaz is gonna need a day off sometime and he seems only real candidate to play CF and brings range to any corner spot.
    That near HR to opposite field is encouraging, and was probably hardest hit ball all night by SF.

    • alleykat69 said, on August 5, 2020 at 8:10 am

      Jaylin Davis is a Centerfielder the Giants are just to stubborn to use him there are call him back!
      Yes I’m still pissed 😡 he’s not on the roster…

  54. Bozo said, on August 5, 2020 at 7:59 am

    SD, the McCovey batting cages at Army and Bayshore. Great place, even had beers there as I recall. I think it turned into a storage place that a band I was in practiced at for years (24 hour access was awesome). Rolph softball field was pretty close by (on Army, across the street from the Farm) at least I think it was called Rolph.

  55. Flavor said, on August 5, 2020 at 8:55 am

    No new thread.today guys

  56. chipower9 said, on August 5, 2020 at 9:06 am

    In relation to Yaz needing a puff, Duggar can shift to CF. He has 70+ starts there at the ML level.

  57. chipower9 said, on August 5, 2020 at 9:07 am

    .

    • unca_chuck said, on August 5, 2020 at 9:24 am

      !

      • chipower9 said, on August 5, 2020 at 9:50 am

        Fucking double entry…had to nuke one of them. 😉

  58. alleykat69 said, on August 5, 2020 at 9:23 am

    There was this guy named Dubon that was supposed to play some CF as well is that Kapler experiment over?

    • chipower9 said, on August 5, 2020 at 9:51 am

      I don’t think so. IMO Dubon hasn’t gotten much playing time of late, as he isn’t swinging the stick that well.

  59. zumiee said, on August 5, 2020 at 10:05 am

    For me, last night’s game was the first really bleh game of the season. Too much Bore Core in the lineup.

  60. zumiee said, on August 5, 2020 at 10:06 am

    Give us our Bart!

  61. alleykat69 said, on August 5, 2020 at 10:06 am

    I still prefer they bring Davis back, he’s more than capable of playing CF as well.
    This thing with Heiney is crazy, I don’t get Kapler’s thinking of not moving him back a few inches?
    He has good technical setup compared to Tromp,but why is he moving the mitt closer to the hitter at impact? No reason for that, let the ball get to you, it’s that simple!
    I bet Posey might not even have one catchers interference call in his whole career ,and Heiney’s up to 3 in a couple of weeks, just crazy..

    • chipower9 said, on August 5, 2020 at 10:17 am

      Who would go if you bring back Davis? I like Davis, but I did not feel he provided enough to warrant staying on the club. He was hitting .167 (sure, Craw, Pence, Sando, etc. are not doing any better), but all of the current OFers are hitting at least that. Duggar is hitting .167, too. So, do you swap Davis/Duggar? Duggar has more ML experience. I wouldn’t hold my breath on Davis. I would swap Davis with Pence, but we know that sure as fuck isn’t happening.

    • xoot said, on August 5, 2020 at 10:26 am

      according to the all-knowing google, the young catchers are all down on one knee, with the other leg extended, to frame and field the low pitch. Heineken can’t do that, apparently, so they moved him up to try to be able to handle low breaking balls, etc., better. Ain’t working.

      Funniest thing is that in the Oakland pre-season series and in at least one early-season game, Krukow went wild over Heinie’s terrific fundamentals and alleged ability to frame the high outside corner pitch, etc. etc. That was Kruk’s passive-aggressive way of dissing the young guy’s with the one-knee-down stance without calling them out directly. How long will it take for him to discuss it when Heinie’s gone?

      • Carstie Clausen said, on August 5, 2020 at 1:53 pm

        It must be a bitch these days to be an announcer/color-man, whatever. Gotta follow the corporate line all the way, constantly staying “on message”. Hope those guys don’t take it out on the wives and kids. I wonder how it was like for Twin when his dad, Ray, was handling that assignment covering the Twins. Guess we’ll never know.

  62. willedav said, on August 5, 2020 at 10:34 am

    Boring part of last night reflective of how good Rox SP Marquez was. He had 97 heat and a change up and Giants couldn’t touch either though they did help him out swinging at pitches out of zone. Yaz didn’t no anything off him either. Other than the one inning they scored he dominated.
    giants seem to have stronger more effective lineup vs. LHP.
    Baggs had said a week ago he thought Bart and Hermann (LH) would be Cs. Hermann is a vet guy likely more to Kapler’s liking than either Tromp or Heineman. Just my imo but Kapler seems solidly behind vets, including all members of core.

  63. alleykat69 said, on August 5, 2020 at 11:32 am

    I’m not overly thrilled about Herman Munster being one of the catchers even if he has experience.His batting career sucks,.205 worse then El Presidente days! Yeah i we all want Bart, but will the Giants start the clock on him? I’m intrigued still with Tromp’s power that he supples, even if his catching skills need improvement, I guess that applies with Heineken as well.If they bring up Bart, Tromp’s power with Bart’s would be a nice combo, though maybe they want a LH stick as well which Munster is but so is Heineken being a switch hitter.And would still be a better hitter then Munster.But Munster still might get the call cause of the vet presence who knows?

    • zumiee said, on August 5, 2020 at 11:42 am

      If they bring Bart up now, and the mini-season gets completed, the clock will not start on him this season. They needed to get past 5 games for his clock not to start.
      However, if they bring him up, and he plays in 3 games, and Covid closes down the season, it counts as a season for him toward free agency. Convoluted rules, I know.
      The Giants org may not be feeling confident the mini-season is going to complete. I get that.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 5, 2020 at 11:57 am

        I thought they waived that recently in that this season would not count no matter what the outcome is.

      • chipower9 said, on August 5, 2020 at 12:00 pm

        Agree, Zume…otherwise we would have seen Bart already. I too believe it is that fear of having to recognize a full year for potentially only a handful of games.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 5, 2020 at 1:50 pm

        Players won’t get dinged for a year’s service if they are called up now regardless of how long the season goes.

  64. willedav said, on August 5, 2020 at 11:50 am

    way too early LU vs. RHP Gray has same OF alignment
    Solano in for Longo at 3b Flores at 2b Belt Craw Heine and Pablo DH. No Ruf nor Dubon Webb SP

  65. chipower9 said, on August 5, 2020 at 12:03 pm

    1 CF Mike Yastrzemski (L)
    2 RF Alex Dickerson (L)
    3 3B Donovan Solano (R)
    4 1B Brandon Belt (L)
    5 2B Wilmer Flores (R)
    6 DH Pablo Sandoval (S)
    7 SS Brandon Crawford (L)
    8 C Tyler Heineman (S)
    9 LF Steven Duggar (L)

    • alleykat69 said, on August 5, 2020 at 12:20 pm

      I still don’t get Dick in RF other than Kotter just wants to piss off everyone that thinks he can’t play there?
      You would think you would want your best arms in CF and RF as well since it’s generally longer throws..

    • Carstie Clausen said, on August 5, 2020 at 1:58 pm

      Kapler trots out three dead bats in tonight’s lineup. One is quite sufficient, thank you. I don’t hafta name them as this bunch is into the intricacies. Has Kappenheimer been ordered to go low so as to get good draft picks next June?

  66. sandog said, on August 5, 2020 at 12:04 pm

    I want Davis back asap. Just don’t ship out my boy Duggar to make room for him.

    I want nothing to do with Bart on the big league roster this year if there is any chance of triggering a year of service time.

    • chipower9 said, on August 5, 2020 at 12:43 pm

      Agree. As mentioned earlier, I would dump Pence to bring up Davis. Also agree on Bart, after Zumie reminded us of how very little playing time by Bart can translate into a full year of service.

    • willedav said, on August 5, 2020 at 1:12 pm

      Surprised they haven’t made more use of Ruf either though when he’s been in there he hasn’t hit for power. With Belt back he wouldn’t be at 1b much, and keeping 2 pure DH guys like him and Pence is overkill.
      Davis certainly has more athleticism than any other OF and he might as well learn his way through things with big club. You can always throw him in to pinch run or play corner D late game too.

  67. Flavor said, on August 5, 2020 at 1:06 pm

    fuck Bart’s clock. This guy is turning 24 this year, if he’s the real deal let’s get him going NOW. If he was younger I’d say wait maybe but his development is taking a huge hit the season, making it a lost season, as he sits around in Sacramento or wherever he is hitting BP fastballs and practicing technique without playing any actual games.

    • snarkk said, on August 5, 2020 at 1:17 pm

      Totally on board with that. Bart, the future catcher for a decade, is wasting development time playing pepper in Sac while these two no-name catchers are playing MLB games and causing catcher interference, and they’ll be trivia answers by end of next season…

  68. chipower9 said, on August 5, 2020 at 1:39 pm

    I get the argument you guys present who want Bart up now. Believe me, there is a part of me that would love to have him up, especially watching the nightly house of horrors that is our current catching tandem.

    But if they bring him up, and he plays in THREE games, and the season is subsequently canceled, this year counts as a season for him toward free agency.

    To me, given that this season does not mean shit, I don’t think the risk (a year towards FA for THREE games) is worth the payoff. I just don’t see it from a cost-benefit point of view.

    Just my opinion…we all have one.

  69. unca_chuck said, on August 5, 2020 at 1:52 pm

    They waived the clause that says players accrue a year of service time regardless of the season being cancelled.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 5, 2020 at 1:55 pm

      I read this somewhere a few days ago but I can’t confirm’ it.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 5, 2020 at 1:57 pm

      And fuck it either way. Like Flav said, he’s 24. Get him on the goddamn field.

  70. djloo27 said, on August 5, 2020 at 1:56 pm

    Some would argue that the 3 unlikely championships should have taught us that management knows what they’re doing better than we do. On the other hand, what about the 56 years prior and the 6 years since?

  71. alleykat69 said, on August 5, 2020 at 2:06 pm

    Oh I’m not sure Bart is still going to be there catcher going forward.
    How do we know he’s not just getting a lot of work at 3B/1B maybe even LF.
    There really high on Bailey who they have said is even more polished as a catcher, and it’s really going to be his only natural position.And I get it that’s he farther away down the line só,Bart will still see action behind the Dish, but when and if there in the LU together it will be Bailey imo as the main catcher.But hell that’s a nice scenario to figure out..

  72. unca_chuck said, on August 5, 2020 at 2:10 pm

    Bart will likely be at 1st by then.

  73. zumiee said, on August 5, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    Bart’s tall for a catcher, too. I see firstbase as his primary future, and Bailey as the catcher of the future. But teams don’t want catchers catching a ton of games anymore anyway. The ideal for teams now is to have two quality catchers on the team.

  74. zumiee said, on August 5, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    Bart would make the season more interesting. It’s been quite a while since the team had a blue-chip prospect. I think we have to go back to Posey and Bum to find that kind of prospect. Who’s been a blue-chip since then?

    • zumiee said, on August 5, 2020 at 2:24 pm

      That’s like a 12 year drought or so. There’s been a lot of bad Giants drafts in the last 10 years.

    • djloo27 said, on August 5, 2020 at 2:28 pm

      Were there ever really high expectations of the ill-fated Mac?
      I can’t remember…

    • djloo27 said, on August 5, 2020 at 2:32 pm

      Wheeler?

    • xoot said, on August 5, 2020 at 2:42 pm

      Tommy Joseph had promise. Maybe not blue chip. They sure made the right call on him. Concussions took their toll.

  75. djloo27 said, on August 5, 2020 at 2:23 pm

    If the trade deadline was this week, Solano would be the most sought after guy on the planet…

    • willedav said, on August 5, 2020 at 2:49 pm

      one more decent outing and Cueto moves up the ladder. Front end pitching has really taken toll on lot of teams, pen guys too.


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