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Playing The Asterisks

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 10, 2020

We have our secret weapon *undecided* going for us today in Houston. Who knows, the Asterisks have been pretty beatable now that they don’t know what’s coming every pitch.

On paper this one looks like it will get ugly but maybe Kap stays out of the way enough during the game and we steal a W.

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  1. willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:05 am

    What he is doing has to be data driven, right? by time game is 6th inning or so he has a plan in mind. Part of problem might be too much data, especially since as Mr. Fleming mentioned, pen guys have to face 3 batters.
    Roberts has enough good hitters from both sides of plate he can go at least 6 deep and alternate LH/RH.

    So Kap’s data has to factor that in, for each pitcher he might bring in and also for how well hitter handles pitchers from both sides. Plus who is available that day and for how long. Plus each pitcher tendency for ground ball fly ball BB and K outcome.

    Since so many of who he has are so inexperienced, more data he gets on them maybe he gets better read.
    Still, you do have to factor who is most prone to giving up 3 run bombs.

  2. chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:12 am

    “Part of the problem might be too much data…” I agree. I am not a fan of analytic baseball. I have no problem with a team/manager having access to it, and using it as “part” of the process, but definitely losing patience with Kap’s shenanigans.

    I predicted three wins on this 10 game roadie…optimistically four. Giants would have to take two of three to come home 4-6. As you mentioned Flav, if Kap can keep his fucking hands outta the cookie jar, maybe the Giants can surprise us all and win the series. Not holding my breath…

  3. willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:13 am

    thx to Mac for putting the box from Westphal suns warriors game up there. Man they were just so efficient running half court offense. Walter Davis in those days when his knees were sound and there weren’t the off court issues, was a blur with solid mid range game. Alvan Adams was great passer and shooter from high post and Truck Robinson did dirty work inside at both ends and set brutal screens to free up shooters.

    fun times to watch NBA in Oaktown when ball movement passing cutting screens resulted in lot of good scoring opportunities…especially when better teams/players came to town vs. Warriors.

  4. Flavor said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:20 am

    the problem with data is that it is intended to be valid and work over the course of time. But when it doesn’t work it becomes a glaring problem and or loss. It’s the same way in poker. There are times when you “have to make” a call or a play because of what the percentages say—unfortunately that can lead you to losing your entire stack a fair amount of the time. But, over the course of time, the play is the right one.
    Kap is fucking up because he’s making the right move over the course of time but when it doesn’t work out that particular time it looks like he doesn’t know what he’s doing.

    • chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:37 am

      I would just like to see some old-school intuition used in conjunction with the data. The way I perceive it, is that data is driving almost all of the decisions, and there is little human factor in the decisions. Again, not a method of which I am a fan.

      • Carstie Clausen said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:28 am

        Ultimately, intuition is the key. It’s like flying by the seat of your pants. Intuition emerges from the right-brain ,contrasting with the ultra-logical, rational, analytical side of the mind. Intuition runs deeper and engages awarenesses which the left brain does not even pretend to begin to comprehend.

        Our culture is overly caught up in scientific method, which does have its place in the equation. But there are numerous occasions where good old-fashioned horse-sense takes all the cookies. So the ideal manager endeavors to utilize both those senses which always seem to “make sense” and those more akin to feelings and hunches. Balance is the ideal.

      • gianthead said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:37 am

        Agreed Chia

      • Frank Souze said, on August 10, 2020 at 9:10 am

        Agree with ya all- I believe chippower has defined the battlefield with the full context Imho – Obviously all Giants executives & f field operations teams have embraced, integrated & executed the use of data & sabermetrics for most roster and strategy decisions – it seems, to chips point, “intuition” in conjunction with appropriate use of data” is not a common option?
        Note – “Z” & Kap & others had significant tours of duty with teams that exhibited a strong bias towards the use of analytics.

  5. willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:49 am

    Twice vs. LA Kapler had Watson warming up but didn’t use him. why? In Cueto game he let Cueto face 2 LH Pederson and Bellinger, both of whom walked sandwiched around Betts popup. Followed by 3 run bomb from Turner and only then did Watson come in.
    Yesterday he and Rogers both warmed up, he pulls Gausman after one out single by Bellinger. so that had to be part of the plan–first baserunner he gives up I’m yanking him. But what was plan for Watson to begin with?

    And still, lack of consistency by who he has is definitely maddening. S. Anderson had good outing then gives up 3 run bomb on first pitch yesterday. I like Rogers and he’s looked good at times late game but when he doesn’t locate that all soft stuff he throws he gets whacked.

    Kapler is at the table from deck stacked against him.

  6. gianthead said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:53 am

    The reason many of us opposed Kapler’s hiring is that he look amd performed as a coach like a failure in Philly. He is supposed to be Mr. Analytics (think he just watched Moneyball and thought he understood), but what is analytical about not having the bullpen going in the 5th Saturday with Cueto on the mound so once that he put someone on in the 6th you had arms ready?

    What is analytical about first base open yday in the 8th and Betts being a first pitch swinger not to tell your reliever in a one run game to not fucking throw a strike on the fucking first pitch???

    Kapler has quickly shown he has no feel for a pitching staff and I have no confidence in his long term abilities…

    • Flavor said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:55 am

      I feel the exact same way about your boy Pence when he’s in the sack with Mother. lqtm

      • gianthead said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:39 am

        At first thought you were talking about Hunter and his chick…Mother is not going to be happy…

    • chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:00 am

      Agree with some of what you say, but for me his time in Philly had little to do with my dislike of him.

      In those situations you mention (first pitch to Betts), it is in these situations where a team really misses a catcher like Posey, IMO. I would trust Posey’s intuition and calling the game in those situations over Kap and his analytics, all day, every day, and twice on Sunday.

      • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:12 am

        That is a an outstanding point about Posey, Chi…

      • chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:24 am

        Thanks, Loo. I just think a lot of folks minimize the importance of a solid game-calling catcher. And while Posey has definitely declined at the plate, I still think he is one of the best behind the dish in calling games, if not the best.

      • gianthead said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:41 am

        Valid point but also a Roger Craig in my opinion would told his pitcher to pitch around Betts..

      • chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:44 am

        Agree Head re: the Roger Craig comment. Again, it goes back to my comment of liking more of a blend of intuition and analytics. I like the human element in the game. Not totally discounting the value of analytics…just do not like it to be the driving factor (for example, analytics says you MUST do this in this situation).

    • Carstie Clausen said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:35 am

      Kapler had a good team to work with in Philly, but his results were not quite even mediocre. In my opinion he was advanced into managing much to early-on—a baseball preemie. Perhaps there was a bit of tribal nepotism coming from Baer and the boys in hiring him after his disappointing run in the City of Brotherly Love. Traditional baseball would have had him scouting and coaching for say, five to seven years and then letting him dip his toes in the big job after he had learned the ropes.

      • gianthead said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:42 am

        Solid and spot on..

      • chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:47 am

        Good call, Stix.

  7. alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:12 am

    Hey Flavor just a thought, maybe instead of you making a donation to Trump, you can turn it around and set up
    a “GoFuckme”fund and see if his campaign will donate…

  8. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:26 am

    What reslly pissed me off was Cueto’s night. The guy gets hurt. Limps off the mound twice. Walks 2 batters, and Mr.Kotter leaves him in there. Cueto was plainly frustrated by Pence’s gaffe and between that and whatever he hurt begged for him to be taken out. Well, even bringing in Mr Rogers after pitching 2 innings the night before.

    Shit like that isn’t analytics-driven. They are stupid moves. He had done the same thing with Rogers earlier this season to the same result. Rogers is all of a sudden their workhorse? WTF?

    • alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:44 am

      Totally agree Chuck. Are all managers definitely Kappy all the same with pitchers and let their pitchers talk them out of coming out? Cueto was obviously hurt but leaves him in showing no backbone as Cueto was clearly done.Same with Shark who was done before the game even started(struggling to get his shoulder loose which he even admitted to coaches) yet does he get scratched from his start Noooooo! and gets hammered from the start and even after 3 HR’s a few more hit and walks ,Freakin Kaput man still didn’t get him as the BP remained quiet!! Kap is clueless like he was in Philly handling a pitching staff!!

    • chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:46 am

      Agree big time, Charlie. Great example…

  9. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:30 am

    That’s a great point, Chi. But don’t these guy discuss situations?

    Mother, should I run for president?

  10. Carstie Clausen said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:52 am

    This just in over MLBTR: “Orioles release Ty Blach. Site speculates that some shorthanded team might pick him up.

    • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 9:07 am

      He’s a Dodger killer!

      • alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 9:28 am

        Agree he might of had a few shining moments against the Dodgers, but overall he’s not a chip off the old Blach, he has been a terrible big league pitcher.Even with are sketchy bullpen, I pray the Giants steer clear of him..

      • Macdog said, on August 10, 2020 at 9:52 am

        Giants have only three games left vs. the Dodgers.

  11. Winder said, on August 10, 2020 at 9:21 am

    This season is pretty much a wash for us already so might as well try stuff out and see what works. i just don’t like the idea we aren’t bringing some guys up just because the season might abruptly end. Probably smart business decisions but for fans not so much. If Kap truly isn’t ready we should know in a few weeks.

    • chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 9:40 am

      Well, we are 7 games into a 10 game roadie, while playing 13 days without a day off, and we’re a half game out of the 8th playoff spot. So, may be premature to call the season a wash, especially in this weird-ass season.

      I am with you on wanting to see the likes of Bart, but when I look at it from the team management perspective, no way in hell I would want to risk a year of service time if Bart played three games, and then the season ended. Sucks for fans, but probably a smart decision from a team management standpoint.

  12. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 9:51 am

    Did the league waive the service year for call-ups if the season is cut short? I swear I saw that fly by somewhere last week, but I can’t confirm it. Because fuck leaving Bart and Davis in purgatory. Ramos is back from his cut leg, and is ‘driving the ball’ according to Mr. Kotter. Play them!

    • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 10:06 am

      I think Kotter’s contractually obligated to play his Sweathogs…

      Brandon Barbarino
      Pablo Epstein
      Hunter Horshack
      Freddy “Boom-Boom” Crawford

      • Winder said, on August 10, 2020 at 10:17 am

        That was a fun show.

      • sandog said, on August 10, 2020 at 11:26 am

        Outstanding work Loo!!

      • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 11:58 am

        Never know what’s gonna get you out of hiding, SanDog.
        Your Flap Delaney card is a monstrosity.
        Blade, Kokonuts, Sarge and a couple others might soon be hearing from the Flap attendance office as well…

    • Winder said, on August 10, 2020 at 10:17 am

      Hope you are right about that. I think it would be a hard one to get by the union though. they don’t want to give the owners any more than they have to.

    • chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 11:29 am

      Charlie – I googled that seven way from Sunday, and could not find anything about the removal of that clause.

  13. willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 10:13 am

    Zum had mentioned schedule does get easier including only 3 more with LA.
    Counting getaway day L vs. Texas Giants are 2-6.

    After road trip ends Wed ahead of day off, SF plays 10 days in a row.
    First 3 are with surging A’s. home/away with Angels for 4 then 3 with AZ at home before next day off and then…
    Final 3 with LA again at home. so 6 out of next 13 are vs. probably 2 top teams in West divisions.

  14. xoot said, on August 10, 2020 at 10:18 am

    Did anyone here talk about the bums’ use of the pen yesterday? Roberts had two hard-throwing LHs — Ferguson, a kid, and McGee, a vet. On average, they’ve each been pitching every other game and faced about three batters per appearance, sub-zero WHIPs. When Ferguson finished off his third SF batter, Roberts pulled him and brought in McGee to face Heinie. Why did Roberts do that? Krukow wailed. Why take out one lefty who’s blowing away the hitters for another lefty who looks just like him? Answer: because Roberts could. (And does anyone really care which side of the plate Heinie’s on when he’s up?) Meanwhile, Kapler gets Mister Rogers warmed up for the second straight game.

    I know, I know. His 80 mph heater rises. So does a coach’s flippin’ soft toss. Kapler just doesn’t have the arms in the pen. The bums, apparently, do, at least until someone gets sore. I think Flavor’s been pounding this Giants’ roster hole pretty well, lately; but man it’s ugly to see it play out the way it did yesterday. I don’t think you need to run the data on Rogers through an AI program.

  15. willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 10:21 am

    The only thing that got SF remotely close to thinking about “playoffs” last year was the all too brief 19-6 July stretch.
    Does anyone really believe this team is capable of putting together that type of winning streak?

    • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 10:26 am

      What exactly was the key to that surge?
      I know Dick was hot and TFLR was lockdown – does that add up to 19-6?

      • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 10:52 am

        Besides the Flapalooza, that is…

  16. alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 10:51 am

    They got great production besides The Dick who was the catalyst from Solano,Vogt,Longoria,Yaz,Slater all hitting well in July.Pitching with Bum, Beede, Dyson was great 2.Just a month when a team really was clicking at 19-6 then August came and the magic sadly came to an end..

    • Bozo said, on August 10, 2020 at 11:06 am

      Yep kat, they were getting contributions all over the place. Longo had 6 HRs, the Dick, Yaz and Craw had 4 each (Crawford also had that 5 hit 2 HR game against the Rocks). It was also the only month where Posey hit more than 1 HR (3). The BP was very strong even Melancon had an outstanding month. That sure was one fun month.

  17. Flavor said, on August 10, 2020 at 11:10 am

    the run last July set the franchise back a couple of years. If deluded the front office into thinking they should keep Bum and TFLR. I suppose it’s possible teams were offering shit for Bum. Most GM’s who look at analytics could see the writing on the wall with that dude…..

    • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 11:19 am

      Yeah, makes sense that if they traded TFLR, they were wiling to trade Bum as well.
      If they were that emotionally attached to him, they would’ve paid him accordingly years ago.
      Offers probably were shit like you said…

      • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 2:22 pm

        Just realized they didn’t trade TFLR.
        Gotta believe there were decent offers for him, but who knows?

    • Bozo said, on August 10, 2020 at 11:58 am

      On the flip side, the month Dyson and Melacon had, must have helped in trading them. Also, it was when they switched Pomeranz to the pen which had to add value to him and Black being traded.
      So you could say that the July run also brought the Franchise salary relief, jaylin Davis and Dubon. Not to mention it sure was fun watching them on that roll.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on August 10, 2020 at 12:56 pm

      True dat, regarding the setback.

  18. alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 11:27 am

    Madison Bumgarner will not pitch in the upcoming series against Colorado.He is going back to Arizona to have his back examined after suffering back spasm watching his 4 HR’s leave the yard against SD.Last 2 starts he was pounded by Houston 7.04 era and Padres 9.05 !

  19. snarkk said, on August 10, 2020 at 11:32 am

    Arizona’s deal with Bum will prove a loser.
    Lots of of us said last year that he had a ton of mileage on that arm, which a LT deal would reveal.
    This guy has been throwing in MLB since he was 20. Who does that sound like? Cain.
    Cain’s last contract was a disaster. It’s good Bum’s decline is with somebody else, so his legacy as a Giants stays intact.
    Pence is in real danger of turning his great legacy as a Giant into a bad, headshake ending…

    • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 12:17 pm

      Sure doesn’t look good, but I wouldn’t write him off just yet.
      Still strong as anyone, still has great mechanics, still a great competitor and hasn’t pitched that many innings since the dirt bike disaster.
      But, yeah Giants were right to part ways…

      • snarkk said, on August 10, 2020 at 12:38 pm

        Not writing him off, but he was starting to give up dingers regularly last season, and somewhat the season before. If the back spasms are real, that’s not a good sign…

      • unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 1:15 pm

        Smaller park and hotter weather as well. He has been giving up lots of dingers since the dirt bike crash.

  20. alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 11:41 am

    Hunter Pence = Bump Bailey
    Bump:I lost in the sun
    Pops Fisher Looking up at a cloudy sky.. Blinding

  21. xoot said, on August 10, 2020 at 1:58 pm

    Swiney and Glowenke, I believe, are the two in this top 30 drafted with the comp picks the Giants received for Bum and Will Smith. We’ll never know, I suppose, just how crappy the trade offers were for those two at the deadline last year.

  22. Bozo said, on August 10, 2020 at 2:15 pm

    Giants lineup tonight: Yaz CF, Dick LF, Solano 3B, Belt 1B, Flores DH, Craw SS, Slater RF, Tromp C, Dubon 2B. Webb RHP

    • xoot said, on August 10, 2020 at 2:21 pm

      Looks like a winner, however . . . .

      Still, the astros’ McCullers will not be the best starter the Giants face this year.

  23. djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 2:29 pm

    Anyone who thinks using analytics all the time over real-time managing probably thinks they’ll find nothing but winners in the racing form. It just doesn’t work that way.
    For you attorneys, it’s like the difference between paper law and trial law…

  24. chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 2:29 pm

    1. Mike Yastrzemski (L) CF
    2. Alex Dickerson (L) LF
    3. Donovan Solano (R) 3B
    4. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
    5. Wilmer Flores (R) DH
    6. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
    7. Austin Slater (R) RF
    8. Chadwick Tromp (R) C
    9. Mauricio Dubon (R) 2B

  25. chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 2:35 pm

    Sorry for the duplicate, clown…did not see your line-up…

  26. zumiee said, on August 10, 2020 at 2:45 pm

    Last year some Giants fans were ripping Zaidi for not putting together a better roster. This year the fans are ripping Kapler for not winning more games with that good roster Zaidi has put together. Like a lightning rod, Kapler has taken negative attention away from Zaidi! That’s some genius 3-dimensional chess from Zaidi!

    • Bozo said, on August 10, 2020 at 3:13 pm

      I’ve given Zaidi some slack after he said “fuck that guy” to the Scottsdale councilman, but I was also vocal about not liking his hire of Kapler. And, I still don’t, I also still don’t think Zaidi deserves his genius status that some other Giant’s fans give him.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 3:21 pm

      So you think Mr. Kotter is doing a good job with the pitchers?

    • chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 3:25 pm

      Any Giant fan with a lick of sense knows you don’t rebuild a roster in a year or two. I like the moves Z has made so far, outside of the Kap hire. I think it will be 2022 before we start to see the results from Zaidi’s moves.

      So, you are not impressed with Zaidi, Zumiee?

      • Bozo said, on August 10, 2020 at 4:15 pm

        I’m the one not impressed with Zaidi, I’m pretty sure Zum is cool with the guy.

      • chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:39 pm

        All good John. So, I am curious what you don’t like? Draft? FA moves? Hiring Kap (that’s the bone I have to pick).

    • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 3:31 pm

      Probably can’t really judge Z till he’s out from under the megadeals.
      Kotter’s on the clock from day one…

      • chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:40 pm

        Yep. And he doesn’t own the shit-show mega deals….

    • unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 3:36 pm

      Giants fans as a whole are not very bright. They pine for Bummie, Panik, and the old days. Pence could go 2-150 and they would still support him. I get it, but sheesh, saying Pence is the glue that holds the team together is pretty ridiculous.

      • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 3:47 pm

        Who said that?

      • xoot said, on August 10, 2020 at 4:03 pm

        could’ve been trump. At a press conf just now he compared CV19 to the great flu pandemic of 1917(sic), which, he reminded everyone, essentially ended World War Two. Two.

      • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 4:13 pm

        You’re misinterpreting, Xoot.
        He meant World War…too

      • xoot said, on August 10, 2020 at 4:24 pm

        ah ha!

  27. snarkk said, on August 10, 2020 at 3:10 pm

    I saw the MLB replay of Tatis’ dinger off Bum yesterday.
    Lotsa bare hand high fiving in the dugout, half the guys in there laughing and loud talking w/ no masks.
    I don’t get it…

  28. alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 3:29 pm

    Not a lot of mask 😷 participation In Oakland during they’re brawl with the Astros yesterday as well..
    Man I don’t blame Leganaro (sp) for being pissed off, the Stros pitchers hit him 3 times in the series, 2 times yesterday in the 5th and 7th innings.Then he goes to 1B and the scumbag hitting coach Cingeni (sp) is talking shit about his mom which instigated the whole brawl.
    And then when Legarnaro went after him the pussy hid behind 3 players!
    Yeah Leganaro will get suspended, but this spineless prick should also be suspended for starting this brawl imo..

    Houston deserves all the shit happening to them since gutless Manfred pussed out on they’re players suspensions! I do feel sorry for Dusty, but I’m sure he knew it was going to be a rough season going in taking this gig..

  29. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 3:42 pm

    Right, If anyone should be regularly thrown at it should be Bregman Altuve and Correa and the rest of the players on that 2017 team. Fuck ’em all. Immunity for the players for telling the truth about the cheating?

    What a fucking joke.

    • willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 4:25 pm

      can’t go there (“regularly thrown at”) myself man
      A’s handled their biz on the field, didn’t throw at anyone and swept them 3 straight.
      Scoreboard.

  30. willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 4:23 pm

    wow some good new for Rangers…NY that is.

    • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 4:24 pm

      It’s unbelievable.
      The Penguins usually win these things…

      • Macdog said, on August 10, 2020 at 6:18 pm

        NHL is a fucking joke. How the hell does a team that was still playing when the season re-started get the top pick over teams whose seasons were over?

  31. willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 5:22 pm

    there are gonna be teams out there desperate for pitching. Gausman Cueto Watson do OK offers will come to Z.

    watched start of Braves game at Phils. Braves SP puts 2 on and Harper hits 3 run bomb. next inning he lets in 2 more leaves with bases loaded. Reliever Erlin gives up first pitch salami to Didi and next batter is Segura who homers too. 10-1 2nd.
    Now 13-1. Very winnable division, and pitching an issue all around even for Mets who just lost Stroman.

  32. alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 5:28 pm

    Any team desperate for a .063 hitter that can’t play the outfield?

  33. James said, on August 10, 2020 at 5:39 pm

    Managers and their moves don’t make much difference, never have, never will. Not even when you’re an ignoramus like Roger Craig, whose offensive “strategies” actually resulted in statistically measurable reductions in run production.

    Maybe Kapler will succeed Fred Lewis and BB9 in my pantheon!

    BF’s 7:20 is a good summation, although I’m puzzled why it’s a problem. The house always wins in the long run, right? Why is data a problem?

    • Flavor said, on August 10, 2020 at 5:48 pm

      it’s a problem if you’re a player, especially one who doesn’t play a lot. Good poker players can grind out a living playing full time and they can weather the storm of the % going against them on certain hands. Guys who don’t play regularly who make the same calls, well, it doesn’t work out for them. Often. And that’s what is happening to Kap with these % moves he’s making. In the long run they probably work out. In the short sample it can have a very ugly look to it, in the moment.

      • James said, on August 10, 2020 at 5:58 pm

        Ok, but I doubt that many careers have been cut short over the years because someone may be overlooked in the short run for a time, assuming that’s the point. The issue is collective.

        The record is 7-10, which is about right for the level of talent on hand. There are “moves” he’s made no one has commented on that have “worked out.” For what that’s worth.

      • Flavor said, on August 10, 2020 at 6:00 pm

        also the *house* doesn’t have odds in their favor in a poker game. They just take the rake. The players play against each other in hold em.

    • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 5:51 pm

      Because not very much is finite about baseball – or most things.
      Unlike a deck of cards…

      • James said, on August 10, 2020 at 6:02 pm

        Not following, Loo. The finiteness of a season, despite its (usual) length, actually seems like an argument for the magic of intuition.

      • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 6:17 pm

        It was a shot in the dark…

  34. zumiee said, on August 10, 2020 at 6:03 pm

    Kelly goes on the IL anyway: so much for that storyline.

  35. Flavor said, on August 10, 2020 at 6:03 pm

    James– I am probably not in position to comment on Kap’s moves. I have missed a lot of them. All I know is that he claims he manages in a way that’s driven by analytics and percentages. As you know, in a short sample size anything can happen. Over the course of time maybe his moves are justified. Sadly for him, the course of time may not be as long as he needs it to be.

    • James said, on August 10, 2020 at 6:11 pm

      He has Zaidi on his side, if not time.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 6:50 pm

      What analytics dictate bringing in a guy who pitched 2 inning the night before, in a day game?

      Has he made good decisions? Sure. But that means he can make bad ones and blame analytics?

      Or a small sample size? Fuck that. That was the 2nd time he brought in Rogers 2 days in a row and he got tagged both times. Not pulling Cueto after he was limping around the infield? ANd then walking 2 guys?

      Letting Smargle pitch after all his issues, then he gets bombed, and THEN they DL him? Granted some of that is on the trainers, as with Cueto, but still Kapler wears the bad decisions.

      What are these analytics you speak of, James?

  36. Macdog said, on August 10, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    It was a little thing in yesterday’s game, but it was still a head-scratcher. With the Giants up 2-0, a runner on 1st and 2 out and Pablo up, Dodgers brings in a lefty. As Wille brought up, Flores should’ve come in as a pinch-hitter. Pablo stayed in and, predictably, struck out. What analytics did Kapler refer to that said to keep a lousy righty hitter in instead of bringing in one of our best hitters?

    • Flavor said, on August 10, 2020 at 6:33 pm

      yeah, I’m not trying to defend any of his decisions. For all I know he’s pulling moves out of a hat. But he SAYS everything he does is driven by analytics and percentages. Agree though, not sure what the point was of leaving Fat Pablo in to strike out

  37. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    I hate 0-2 doubles.

  38. Macdog said, on August 10, 2020 at 6:39 pm

    Do the Astros have a cutout garbage can?

  39. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    Oscar the Grouch at least. Or a joy buzzer.

  40. alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:04 pm

    I don’t trust George&Barbara Bush behind the plate ..

  41. Macdog said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    WTF, now Tromp with the interference!

  42. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:11 pm

    I went 14 seasons as a kid never seeing catcher’s interference. 4 in 3 weeks?

    What the fuck?

  43. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:16 pm

    Fuck Kapler. I’m officially off his bandwagon. Z is not far behind if he leaves these dogshit catchers on the team.

  44. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    E 5(0)

  45. alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    Jesus Chris they just flat out stink playing defense!!!

  46. Macdog said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    At least someone on the Giants threw at the Astros.

  47. xoot said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:19 pm

    have you guys ever seen an actual train wreck?

    • willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:25 pm

      thankfully no. If you have I imagine it’s not a term one would use lightly.

      • xoot said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:32 pm

        I saw two, soon after they occurred. No one was injured, either time. But the piles of freight cars were impressive — mountainous monuments to momentum gone wrong.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:26 pm

      No but when I wa a kid we used to put coins on the train tracks and get them run over. I thought it would be cool to put a small padlock on the tracks. My buddy and I sat against the crossing gate box and waited. the train came and when it ran over the lock it shot right between our heads and hit the box at what must have been 200 MPH. It put a 2″ dent in the gate box. That was the last time I put anything on the train tracks.

      • xoot said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:37 pm

        yikes. engines weigh 200 tons or more and the top of the rail is not flat — it’s slightly crowned — and the steel wheels are flanged so they angle slightly to the inside. Your missile got spit out with a lot of force.

  48. willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:23 pm

    mistakes just keep on coming. Webb deserved better fate but imo nibbles too much. Astros haven’t hit him at all tonite, he has high pitch count after 3 and he trails 5-0.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:28 pm

      He made one bad pitch on the 0-2 double. The rest were bleeders and errors.

  49. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    Well, when forced to get 5 outs an inning, you get a little gun shy.

  50. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:28 pm

    Nighty noodles.

  51. alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:29 pm

    Pathetic pffftttt😫

  52. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:34 pm

    E 5(1)

  53. Flavor said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    easy ball to field.These guys have no excuse for errors like that.

  54. djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:39 pm

    Well, if they can hold ’em here, it looks like the smallest ballpark on Earth to me.
    I think I could hit a pebble out of there with an ice cream stick…

    • Macdog said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:44 pm

      Doesn’t matter when they can’t get the ball past the infield.

  55. mrsprtdude said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    Fuck our defense sucks. Interference, and a horrible throw an ML infielder should make with ease. Webb got screwed, and when things go bad an off field blooper falls in when our LF is on the warning track.What are the emtrics on not knowing how to play??

  56. snarkk said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:40 pm

    Solano may be the first in a season to hit and field .450…

  57. xoot said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:46 pm

    Also, Baggarly notes that there have been a total of nine C inter calls this year — among all teams. Now there’s a near .500 stat for the Giants.

    • Flavor said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:47 pm

      that is an INCREDIBLE thing for Baggs to put in a public tweet. 0 fucks given.

  58. Flavor said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:46 pm

    i can’t believe this needs to be said but MAYBE moving the catcher up in the box is a bad idea…..

  59. alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:47 pm

    Logan deserved so much better, obviously 🙄 he got no Webb gems help tonight..

  60. willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:48 pm

    Mr. Bol just checked in vs. Lakers on TNT

    • willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:49 pm

      he just blocked shot at rim in transition D…might have been vs. LBJ

    • xoot said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:50 pm

      thx

  61. chipower9 said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:48 pm

    And the shit show continues….ANOTHER fucking catcher’s interference. Shoddy ass D….

    • djloo27 said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:55 pm

  62. Flavor said, on August 10, 2020 at 7:53 pm

    lol, this guy is on twitter only to troll the Astros and this is tonight’s tweet:

  63. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:06 pm

    Damn. We are very efficient at getting outs tonight. We must have 8 1st pitch ground outs.

  64. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:10 pm

    Wow. bol with the deep pass!!

    • xoot said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:11 pm

      I’m glad I finally saw one of those passes on live tv

      • willedav said, on August 10, 2020 at 9:09 pm

        and a 3 from left wing about free throw line.

  65. Macdog said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:19 pm

    A hit!

  66. alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:20 pm

    Donnie Barrels 15 game hitting streak!

  67. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    What the fuck? Watching the basketball game, and these fucking announcers are babbling nonsensical bullshit having nothing to do with the game.

  68. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:23 pm

    Bol had a nice dunk as well. They didn’t even know how tall his dad was, ffs.

  69. alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:25 pm

    Since we can’t hit can’t we atleast hit some Astros ?

    • Macdog said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:28 pm

      Solano already has.

  70. Macdog said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:27 pm

    Three more errors, including another catcher’s interference, and no hit until the 7th?

    • unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:33 pm

      That was the funniest thing I saw all weekend. We’ve all been there.

    • alleykat69 said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:39 pm

      Yeah pretty much what I think of this Giants effort..

  71. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:34 pm

    Lakers are really poor defensively.

  72. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:38 pm

    Wait, so we now have 5 of the 10 catcher’s interferences?

    Who the fuck is coaching these guys? Stevie Winder?

  73. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:43 pm

    Sorry Winder. Meant Wonder. Hell of a finish to this Laker/Nugget game.

  74. Macdog said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:44 pm

    Slater tater!

  75. unca_chuck said, on August 10, 2020 at 8:45 pm

    Kuzma FTW


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