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Devastating Loss

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 15, 2020

That was just…..fucking awful. The manager’s job is to push the right buttons. Kap is not pushing the right buttons. I don’t understand why Belt can pinch hit but not play late inning defense. Jesus Christ, defense is the ONE thing he CAN do. You send him out to CATCH the ball not to try to HIT the ball. This is managing 101, man.

Had this exchange with Krueger last night. I think he wants there to be action at the trade deadline because it’ll spice up his job. I just can’t see it happening. But I guess we’ll find out.

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  1. zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:41 am

    For what it’s worth, Kap said Belt is dealing with a sore leg and the same foot issues he’s had all “season.” They should just shut him down for the rest of the mini-season.

  2. willedav said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:53 am

    good exchange i think you are right. Especially given injury concerns to Yanks guys Judge and Stanton.
    Hank said Belt had calf and foot problem and Kapler only wanted to use him to PH. What? D is his only value and if he can’t field his position for inning or two than put him on the IL,

    Honest, soon as I saw Gott come in I thought of DMD. sure enough…Kapler left in him too long when he was wild and A’s were on him. Hitting Davis with 2 strikes to load bases, yikes. One hanging curve later…Piscotty knew he had only 2 pitches and was thinking up middle or RF base hit, guessed right after he looked bad on first one.

    Still don’t get why Crawford took his foot off base, let alone flores. Was he watching Flores at all?
    You do have to give A’s credit for coming back 6-0 and 7-2 and taking full advantage when given chance, starting with Olson bomb off Gott. and using 2 productive outs to score in 10th and THEN bringing in lights out closer who sealed deal. Melvin over Kapler, every time.

    • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:58 am

      Except in number of championships won.
      Both are tied at zero.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:08 am

      Craw saw Flores head toward the bag. So he went to his bag. He has to look where he’s going. He assumed Flores touched 1st base.

  3. zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:00 am

    Reds and Pirates cancelled today because of, well, we all know why.

  4. zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:09 am

    Give us the Bart-man. Give the fans something cool.

  5. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:10 am

    Kapler couldn’t hold Melvin’s jockstrap in managerial moves!!

    Sad that 2 of are best hitters Flores&Solano are such a liability in the field.You can only have 1 DH and they need 2..

    Laughing still over Kapler’s assessment that he’s confident with Flores at 1st base and wanted to save Belt for a crucial PH moment, which of course he sucked at and struck out without even hitting a ball to the right side to move Slater over to 3rd.Geez no problem for the A’s Olson doing that setting up the Sac Fly for the game winner!

  6. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:10 am

    Oh Joy. I just hope there’s a football season. Baseball is making me ill.

  7. James said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:14 am

    I’ve personally never been able to discern a well managed or coached 65-97 team. The focus on Kapler’s “moves” is a story to tell and kvetch about, as is the expectation that if somehow Tromp had been given more anti-catchers’s interference drills or Flores been instructed more carefully to handle a 9th inning 4 run lead we’d now be seeing “clean” losing baseball.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:16 am

      Errors don’t affect outcomes? See below.

      • James said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:25 am

        The collective skills, experience, and luck of your players affect a team’s W-L record. I’m going to assume most players want to do well.

  8. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:15 am

    I’m just sick of seeing guys continually put in the wrong place (Pence in LF, Flores at 1st, Solano at 3rd, numerous shifts all leading to errors), and the horrendous pitching decisions by Kapler.

    It’s like he thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room, when in reality any 10 people could do a by-the-book job better.

  9. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:18 am

    So you’re saying there’s a chance. Looks like the west coast wins the series by attrition.

  10. Bozo said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:18 am

    I was thinking Frazier might be a good fit for SF but the problem for the Yanks would be if Cueto had to cut his hair and shave the beard that might really throw off his game.

  11. zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:31 am

    “wanted to save Belt for a crucial PH moment”

    I never saw that quote anywhere. Where is that quote?

    • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:37 am

      The quote I saw was that Kap wanted to keep Belt completely off the field last night. With a 7-2 lead, and his closer pitching, Kap was confident he could accomplish that.

      • James said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:46 am

        Yes, this would be a logical and reasonably safe assumption to make, not requiring an excess of IQ points or reference to the old wisdom even Dave Bristol had access to.

    • James said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:41 am

      Kapler did what we’ve seen others do many times, put a guy in to pinch hit, even though the player was otherwise dinged up and not going to see action. He figured Belt might hit one of those grounders to the right side at the very least . . . or most.

    • alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:50 am

      He said it during his postgame interviews.
      I wanted to save him for just a PH situation only.
      Whatever! They had a day off before this series started, that should of been enough time to come in late a play some defense first..

  12. Bozo said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:39 am

    As for Kapler, this statement from Pav’s write up really nags at me –
    “Kapler said the staff chose Gott because they figured they might need to get Gott up anyway if they went with Jarlin Garcia or Trevor Rogers, and that’s no day off.” The staff chose Gott? Managing completely by committee are we?
    Can the Giants get Eddie D to stop by just to say “He’s gone”? .

    • Bozo said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:42 am

      Oh yeah, and this one – “and the staff trusted Flores to get through that final inning.”
      So maybe it’s the staff that needs to be fired.

  13. Bill Fleming said, on August 15, 2020 at 8:41 am

    Time for some good news.

    The Giants won’t lose 105 games this season. Thank God for a shortened season. Who would want to watch this fiasco for 162 games. If I had to, my head would explode.

    Back to some bad news.

    I hope not putting out best prospects on the field so the Giants can control their playing (service) time is not going to be the norm for the FO.

    When it’s obvious Heliot is ready, are the Giants going to keep him down another year? When Bishop and Bailey are ready, will they continue to languish in the minors. When Luciano is ready are the Giants going to keep him from coming up also? I don’t like this trend. Maybe it’s time for MLB and MLB Players Assoc. to look at this issue of not calling up players to the show in order for the teams to keep them under control.

    OK, the Giants feel Bart needs more time working on his catching skills (even though he was a great defensive catcher in college). But he doesn’t need any more time working on his hitting skills. Call him up to DH (instead of Sandoval) and then play him at catcher (or even 1st) on occasion.

    I can only imagine what Bart is saying to himself, his friends and family about why he isn’t in the majors right now.

  14. djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 9:07 am

    Wilmet’s career experience at the 4 infield positions is amazingly equal. It was just a classic mental error.
    Blaming him for last night’s loss is a little like blaming Bartman for the infamous Cub game.
    They both weren’t directly responsible for everything that happened after their screw-ups.
    Anyway, I still put it mostly on Wilmet. He turned the karma of the game around.
    And Kotter has to realize that a 5 run lead ain’t what it used to be and manage accordingly.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on August 15, 2020 at 9:23 am

      Care to calculate the odds on Kapler returning in 2021?

      • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 9:29 am

        100% that Kapler is back next season.

      • djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 9:34 am

        99% only because nothing is 100%…

      • James said, on August 15, 2020 at 9:41 am

        The only way he’s not back is if there’s widespread discontent among the players or if Cueto improves his English enough and also evolves into a jerk in order to play SF’s version of Jake Arietta.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 10:11 am

      The guarantee is that everything after the fuckup would have been different.

  15. zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 9:34 am

    “Maybe it’s time for MLB and MLB Players Assoc. to look at this issue of not calling up players to the show in order for the teams to keep them under control.”

    That will definitely be an issue during negotiations for the next Collective Bargaining Agreement in the next year or so. The players’ union has already said that. They also want to see the years of service toward free agency reduced from 6 years to 5, because the new GMs don’t want to give older players big contracts anymore.

  16. mrsprtdude said, on August 15, 2020 at 10:00 am

    Nothing to add. Still irritated at stupid losses. managing isnt rocket science, but isn’t easy either. A good manager can win a team 4-5 games a year. I’d say kap is down around 2 already. thats down about 10 in a full season. I could care less about this year, it is next year and 2022 that i’m already bummed about.

    • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 10:26 am

      I have hopes for 2022!

  17. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 10:10 am

    I’d say it’s about 5% he’s here in 2022.

    0% in 2023.

  18. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 10:10 am

    If only Kapler could learn from the master.

    • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 10:36 am

      “Welcome Back, Kotter” doesn’t hold up all that well, IMO, but the theme song by John Sebastian does. The song has a nice combination of hope and melancholy.
      I wonder what Loo thinks of the show. Did Brooklyn viewers like the show at the time? Do they see the show differently now?

      • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 10:38 am

        The ‘60s and ‘70s were a golden era for TV show theme songs and music. TV shows took their opening theme music or song very seriously.

      • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 10:44 am

        Here’s a great theme song and fun show. I was a big fan of the show.

      • alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 11:11 am

        Yeah never cared for Welcome back Kotter theme song, boring to me!
        Now you give me Hawaii 5-0 one of the best of all times are “The Invaders” that could scare the living day lights of a young kid!

        Other good ones…Mod Squad pretty upbeat rhythm.
        The Fugitive,Rat Patrol,Combat,Bonanza,Mission Impossible,Get Smart,Streets of San Francisco,The Munsters, Adams Family etc etc

      • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 11:53 am

        The Perry Mason theme music was a scary one, too. And Dragnet.

      • djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 12:08 pm

        If you were home, you definitely watched it.
        It was all about Barbarino for us.
        I never thought it was all that funny and couldn’t stand Kotter, his wife or Horshack.
        Mr. Woodman was an underrated character.
        It doesn’t hold up well, either…

  19. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 10:51 am

    Breaking News…Pirates/Reds Saturday and Sunday’s game have been postponed due to a Reds player testing positive for Covaid19.. That is all, u may now go back to your regular scheduled programming are just shelter in place without little contact to the outside world..

  20. willedav said, on August 15, 2020 at 10:54 am

    Including getaway day L to Texas they are 3-9 and 8-13 overall settled comfortably into cellar of NL West.
    Minus 30 run differential is going to bring those kind of results.
    Only so much of this can be set at feet of Kapler, based on what he has to work with as provided by Zaidi and Harris. It’s a flawed group to begin with–better hitters are poor in the field pitching is very inexperienced or mediocre and inconsistent.

    Offense has provided some spark, 7th in HRs middle of pack for runs and BA though OB and slugging closer to bottom. 24 HRs!
    Pitching is uniformly awful, at or near league worst for runs hit HRs and BBs given up. Fielding blunders don’t help the challenged group as we all know.

    Kap isn’t going anywhere but I would hope minds with more experience coaching at ML level might ultimately be brought in next season to give him some sorely needed assistance and advice. He needs someone to listen to beside who he has and maybe give him something else to think about.

    • Bozo said, on August 15, 2020 at 11:18 am

      We were also 8-13 at 21 games in last year. Lower run differential and generally lower scoring games are the difference at this point..

  21. dirtnrocksnomo said, on August 15, 2020 at 11:08 am

    Between the analytics, on field decisions, lineup cards, health food choices and whatnot Kapler’s just confused

    • alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 11:16 am

      Good one Dirt!!
      So true,Kapler’s like that ELO song
      I can’t get it out of my head,my whole world has gone cold dead!

  22. willedav said, on August 15, 2020 at 11:13 am

    So within next couple weeks Giants mgmt has decision to make. Sept would normally be time younger players come up, like Davis did last season. Do they continue to go forward with older position players in 1b 3b corner OF DH? If you want to see more of Dubon experiment in CF, who covers 2b/SS?
    Should they lose an SP to trade or injury, do they try opener or group of 3-4 inning pitchers? Right now pen is overloaded on LHP so who can be relied upon to set up or hold lead from other side?

  23. Macdog said, on August 15, 2020 at 11:18 am

    Re Kap:

  24. Flavor said, on August 15, 2020 at 11:31 am

    • djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 11:49 am

      And some years ago, Bochy went from Botchy to Bochy…

  25. djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    Anybody hear from Kokonuts?

    • Flavor said, on August 15, 2020 at 12:15 pm

      he’s still bloggin’ his typical far out shit pretty regularly

  26. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    Then PK should be going far out there teeing off on Kapler’s mysterious game calls..

  27. sandog said, on August 15, 2020 at 12:33 pm

    For whatever reason, probably because I think it is a sham season and we have such an incredible lack of talent—I’m not that down on Kapler. The guy is trying to patch together wins with a bunch of cast-offs.

    I’m more down on Zaidi for not tearing off the band-aid, getting the roster younger, and embracing a full rebuild.

    #1 complaint is still the way they have handled Jaylen Davis. I KNOW he is not a top prospect, and maybe he sucks—-but throw him out there a few times a week and let’s find out for sure. Dubon has looked dreadful much of the year, yet they keep giving him a chance—which I agree with! Do the same for JD.

    Where is Blade these days? He’s been calling for a full rebuild for years now and I could use some backup on this issue!

    I LOVE Loo’s idea of the twin DFA’s for Pence and Pablo. Makes it all much more palatable. Do it asap.
    Have you heard the stat that Pablo has no extra base hits this year???

    • alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 1:05 pm

      Hey I’ve been all in on the rebuild Dog.Z is hogtied from these owners that won’t cut let go of the past glories and of course the huge contracts.He can’t dump Craw,Belt,Longo,Posey but he should be able to convince the powers above to cut Pence&Panda that would be an obvious start.

      I’m a bigtime Jaylin Davis ( Jesus he’s 25 get him in there)supporter and he should be up here now starting along with my new outfield of Ramos LF,Yaz CF, Davis RF with both Dickerson &Slater as the backups!

      Bring up whipping boy Chris Shaw to play some 1st/DH
      He’ll bring up those 2 pitchers SP Shaun Hejille and Reliever Seth Corry they couldn’t do any worse then what we’re seeing now!!

  28. Flavor said, on August 15, 2020 at 12:34 pm

    kokonuts on Thursday
    https://thelaughorist.blogspot.com/2020/08/swiped-left.html

    • djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 1:53 pm

      Thanks Flavor.
      Glad he’s okay…

  29. Flavor said, on August 15, 2020 at 1:49 pm

    calling Ruf’s first bomb today. It is time…..

  30. djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 1:55 pm

    And of course, starting at 1B…

    1. Austin Slater (R) DH
    2. Donovan Solano (R) 2B
    3. Mike Yastrzemski (L) CF
    4. Evan Longoria (R) 3B
    5. Wilmer Flores (R) 1B
    6. Hunter Pence (R) RF
    7. Darin Ruf (R) LF
    8. Chadwick Tromp (R) C
    9. Mauricio Dubon (R) SS

    • Flavor said, on August 15, 2020 at 2:16 pm

      he had another night of practice, maybe he’s good there now?

  31. zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 2:13 pm

    (Paraphrased from the John Lennon song)
    All I want is some Bart at-bats
    Just gimme some Bart at-bats

  32. Flavor said, on August 15, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    Zumiee you continue to blow my mind with this staunch commitment to the Beatles. Question for you: How often are the Beatles blaring throughout building at Casa de Zumiee?

  33. zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 2:21 pm

    “It was all about Barbarino for us.”

    Yeah, definitely the star character of the show.
    It was clear Travolta was going places. “Saturday Night Fever” surprised me with how good a movie it was. I thought “Urban Cowboy” was good, too. Then his career became more hit and miss. “Face/Off” is good.

    • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 2:23 pm

      Oops, forgot about Pulp Fiction and Get Shorty.

    • djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 2:55 pm

      Saturday Night Fever was as spot on accurate as a movie can be.
      Basically a documentary of Bensonhurst at that time.
      Not anymore…

  34. Flavor said, on August 15, 2020 at 3:24 pm

    who’s with me on this Ruf bomb? I can feel it so intense it’s like aliens crawling all over my body. LET’S GO RUF BABY FUCK SOUTH KOREA OR WHEREVER THE FUCK YOU PLAYED YOU DON’T NEED TO GO BACK THERE MY DUDE, JUST RAKE FUCKING HERE WOOOOOO HOOOOOO!!!!!!

    • djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 3:30 pm
      • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 5:20 pm

        This is one of the songs they played at Shea Stadium. John playing electric piano on the song, and having a blast on it.

      • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 5:38 pm

        First Shea Stadium concert, in ‘65.

  35. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 5:21 pm

    Roll out the barrel,
    We’re have a barrel of fun!
    Donnie Barrels another basehit
    17 game hitting streak!
    2 behind Angel Pagan’s 19 game hitting streak..

  36. snarkk said, on August 15, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    Unca’s 10:10 looks like a pic outta the “Battle of the Network Stars”.
    Anybody remember that? Maybe the origination of “reality” TV….

  37. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    Yaz on a crazy baseball scenario rounds the bases with a triple, 2 RBI’s scores on a wild throw into the dugout !

  38. zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 5:34 pm

    “How often are the Beatles blaring throughout building at Casa de Zumiee?”

    Quite often, as you might guess. 🙂 A lot of times nowadays it’s obscure recordings of concerts or their songwriting demos. More and more stuff keeps getting released from the estates of the 4 Beatles.
    Fun fact: the Beatles were the #1 selling rock band last year, regarding recordings.

    • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 5:50 pm

      Including their solo career years.

      • Macdog said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:01 pm

        What? The solo stuff shouldn’t count toward the Beatles sales.

      • zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:09 pm

        It doesn’t. That was not said well by me. I meant I listen to demos and other stuff from their solo years, too.

      • Macdog said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:11 pm

        Ha, now that sounds right.

  39. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 5:38 pm

    Gausman is filthy right now.Just struck out the side and has 10K’s in 5 innings!
    Yeah probably time for Kapler to pull him then due to anal listics..

  40. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 5:44 pm

    Ruf at bats for Flavor’s HR pick!
    Better chance with his clone Tyler Austin to Jack one.
    Oh forgot Austin City Limits is gone, does any team have him now?

  41. djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 5:48 pm

    Just dig in, crank up and unload.
    No one’s gonna bother you.
    The golf ball will take care of the rest…

  42. James said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:17 pm

    Burch Smith, I’ll just throw my somewhat above average fastball over and over again, half the time down the middle of the plate, and, presto, I’m on my way to success at age 30.

  43. sandog said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:38 pm

    What a call!

  44. Macdog said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:38 pm

    Flav calls it!

  45. djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:39 pm

    FLAVOR IS INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!

  46. zumiee said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:39 pm

    BF!!

  47. Macdog said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:39 pm

    The 🐶 says Ruf!

  48. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:39 pm

    Wow Ruf hits one out for flavor!

  49. djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:40 pm

  50. James said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:42 pm

    Kevin Pillar does not know what a powerful friend he has. Awesome call.

  51. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:44 pm

    Shit for a guy that was dominant all year the Giants sure Rufed up Smith, go figure after he blew them away in the previous inning..

  52. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 6:57 pm

    Here we go again, leadoff double for Cahna off of Watson..

  53. djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    I think I’ve seen that MLB commercial with DeRosa 700 times this week…

  54. Carstie Clausen said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:07 pm

    Question number the first: Who starts the ninth

  55. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:10 pm

    Gott again prepare for a wild ride!

  56. Macdog said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    Yanks just beat Red Sox, they’re battering Boston this year.

  57. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:24 pm

    De ja vu all over again.

  58. Macdog said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:24 pm

    I can’t watch.

  59. Carstie Clausen said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    Have I seen this movie before? Something about the top of the 9th seems vaguely familiar.

  60. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:26 pm

    Thank God Pence is out there. GImme a fucking break.

    • James said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:28 pm

      It is RF . . . .

      • unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:29 pm

        But these decision don’t matter.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:32 pm

        Meaning what?

      • James said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:32 pm

        You complained about him being misplaced in LF before.

  61. xoot said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:27 pm

    Hunter Pence has reached the twilight of his career

    • unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:31 pm

      The twilight was 2 years ago.

      • xoot said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:39 pm

        He can’t see the ball at this time of the evening

  62. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:28 pm

    Thanks so much again Gabe to verify your incompetence!!
    Now Clueless Pence with a ole effort on a bad route!! Will this shit ever end??

  63. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:28 pm

    You have Gott to be kidding me. Is he really trying to recreate last night?

  64. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:31 pm

    I did say prepare for a wild ride!
    Jesus Pence looks so gay out there when he even makes a ketch!

  65. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:32 pm

    Pull his fucking Ass Kapler you pussy!!!

  66. xoot said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    Gott gas?

  67. djloo27 said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:35 pm

  68. Winder said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    There it is.

  69. Macdog said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    Are you fucking kidding me?!?

  70. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:37 pm

    There you go. Nice. Kapler is expert at pushing all the wrong buttons.

  71. alleykat69 said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:38 pm

    Yeah FUCK YOU KAPLER!!!
    Fuck the horse u rode in on and the one u should ride out on
    FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING RETARD!!!

  72. unca_chuck said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:38 pm

    My God. What does Gott expect to see happen when you pipe a fastball to a home run hitter?

  73. Macdog said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:38 pm

  74. Carstie Clausen said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:38 pm

    One more thing besides Kapler’s gross incompetence…does Oakland have videos of Gott which have been gone through again and again to the point of knowing exactly what’s coming? This whole scenario strains the possibilities of chance.

  75. sandog said, on August 15, 2020 at 7:38 pm

    Pence. Unbelievable.


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