Kapler Is A Moron
Maybe there is a way to look this up: Has there ever been 2 games back to back with a worse pitching line than this?
You’re like, “Come on Flavor, you’re being dramatic, of course there has been.”
Well then, show it to me. Because until I see it with my own eyes I declare this to be the worst back to back pitching performance in history—certainly SF Giant history.
I hate Kapler for many of the same reasons you all do. But the MAIN reason I hate him is for ruining the victory laps I was planning on taking for making one of the most direct and accurate calls of all time:
and then come on THIS ONE was the one. I could have looked like a complete dipshit had he not hit one after this bombast, aye?
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this guy has some made up stats he assigns to pitchers who have blow up appearances–I honestly don’t know the criteria but he’s got several different names for really bad pitching performances. He seems to agree with me about Gott
Gott’s consecutive meltdowns bring to mind the 2001 Yanks-D-Backs World Series, when D-Backs reliever Byung-hyun Kim blew a 3-1 lead with two out in the 9th in Game 4 and a 2-0 lead with two out in the 9th in Game 5.
Great line from Mrs. James last night end of thread, “It was just like Bruce Bochy.”
Wasn’t the main point of Kapler hire the Giants were finally done with the useless doddering old fart and say nothing pressers? No more old guy network of Rags and the prez who the game had long since passed by.
The newer smarter younger crowd has the advantage of reams of data they will make use of and an innovative approach to making right decisions.
Well?
As for the thought everyone was OK with Gott’s earlier appearances, there certainly was a red flag in those first 2 saves vs. LA. First game, in for 9th with 2 run lead, his first batter he faced this season was Will Smith–who promptly homered! Gott retired next 3 for the save.
following night in 3-1 game A J Pollock doubled off him in 9th Gott retires side for save #2.
so 2 appearances, 2 XBHs.
It’s almost like Kap doesn’t give a shit. I know we are not a very good team but we should be much better than this. i don’t have the answers but it certainly is time to get rid of the dead weight. We are stuck paying them anyway. It would be nice if we looked like we are trying to get better.
Well, we hadn’t blown a 5 run lead in the 9th in 91 years, so there’s that. Back to back just makes it all the more awful. Belt doing absolutely nothing yet again is just crap. Davis and Bart languish in the sacto heat while Pence fields like a drunken sailor. I’m so fucking sick of this. There is NO reason to put Pence, Belt, or Sandoval in the lineup.
Bart, Ramos, and even Luciano should be up getting reps ffs.
Called it last night when SF was batting in the last of the 8th: 7:07 p.m.: ” Question number the first. Who pitches the ninth?” Had this achy, creepy feeling that K. Was gonna go with Gott again–this time with a three-run lead, a situation when veteran managers only rarely throw in their closer.
Burned the night before in an even more heavy lead situation, any manager with elementary common sense would have pitched Selman or another reliever who can get through an inning with reasonable reliability. Through long experience managers have learned not to use their closer in the 9th unless it. is a save situation. My recall seems to be that save situations are when the tying run is on deck. Last night that run was in the hole. Upshot: Both Kapler and Gott dug themselves holes and the team took another bitter loss.
Wondering if the ownership brass even gives a stinky, shivering shit about how the fan-base feels about this tragicomedy of errors on the part of the field manager. He might be ready to manage a little-league team or maybe even a Legion ball team, but after recent performances I would not even choose him to manage the Giants Rookie League squad.
3 run lead last night to open inning does constitute minimum requirement of save situation Stix.
RE: Your last paragraph, Stix, I’m sure they don’t care and it’s being made easier with the stands empty and no pressure to fill them…
After trying to salvage one today with Webb on mound Giants go to Anaheim for 2 at Angels then 2 more with them here. They knocked Buehler out last night in 5th but Dodgers came back to win in 10th. Betts hit his 8th HR to tie it in 7th and Muncy (playing 3b) won it with sac fly rbi in 10th. Dodgers pen 5 and a third scoreless relief innings. hmmn there’s a concept
It’s supposed to be mid 90s down there, where on their homestand Trout has been tearing it up. 6 games he is 7-20 with 4 HRs 8 rbis off Oakland and Dodgers pitching. Um giants this series started the best they have, cueto gausman webb…counting today 8 in a row before next day off.
Trout’s tearing it up probably due to lack of sleep due as the wife just delivered a baby trout.
He’s irritable 😠 and he’s taking it outs on opponents..
Baby Trout. Did they call it “Fingerling”?
The only thing more exciting then watching a tremendous thunderstorm lighting barrage this morning was the thunderous A’s bats teeing off on a Hapless Trevor Gott, and watching Kapler just stand there and let him take the beating back to back nights cause he wanted to prove everyone wrong bringing him in back to back games.
Btw.. Matt Olson’s last 7 hits..All Homeruns!!
yeah Kat 3 AM thunder and wind going off, then few hours later again.
giants have given up second most runs (Pirates) and HRs(AZ) in NL, and most walks. not good combo
Why the angst toward Kapler? I check the box scores daily. No where do I see Kapler hitting, pitching, or playing defense. We have “has beens” playing from the 2010-2014 championship era. Couple these “has beens” with the “not ready for prime time” crew, you’ve got a recipe for disaster . . . or, did you all think this team was going to be great this year?
Kapler is doing the best job he can in lieu of being given a shit sandwich team. This team “might” be good in 2-3 years, but ONLY if just about everything goes right. If you’re going to blame anyone, blame the intransigent ownership group for not dumping all the has beens on our roster. Unequivocally down with what SD said yesterday. Also down with what Willie has been saying, along with a few others here, i.e., this is going to take a lot of patience.
hey blade, how you doing? Settling in? wild weather here last night after hot mid 90s day of sunshine in san jose…still dark and cloudy as I type this, moisture in air.
Okay Willie. I hope you are well too. Weather is kicking my ass right now. Even at 3500 feet, we are in the mid-90s. I have a desk top/bedside evaporative AC arriving today from Amazon. It can’t get here soon enough. Regarding the move, my buddy and I returned from a Colorado road trip, where we towed my household goods back to Pollock Pines. Great trip, but ugh on unloading it all into my garage. Took me another 3 weeks to unpack everything, but I now have all my “stuff.” Just now exhaling on the move details, albeit, I still do not have a drivers license for the State of California.
Talked to snarkk and Chi about fishing up here after Labor day, any and all of you mugs are invited as well (although I understand with the pandemic, some will be leary of that . . . no worries either way).
Hey Blade good seeing you checking in, sure you have been busy with your move..
My latest beef with Kapler especially the last 2 games is why didn’t he bring in Belt for defense late in the 1st game over Flores, even if he wanted to save his legs( uh they had no game Thursday so that doesn’t wash with me) and save him for his useless AB when he did the opposite of Matt Olsen who moved the runner to 3 rd with one out, while Belt who just wants a paycheck waived hap heartily at 3 straight pitches and K’s!!
And Kapler’s stubbornness to try and prove evtwrong by going back to Gott after the 1st game 25 pitch nightmare made no sense.He says he doesn’t really have a closer, fine, then why go back to Gott? Selman who has been pitching great could of done the job imo!
Twice I’m posting pull Gott’s ass before he gives up the crushing bomb and twice Kapler’s sitting on his Ass with nobody even warming up until it was to late! Even with a shit squad those are WINNABLE GAMES he screwed up..
Good to hear from you too AK . . . How’s the new hip? I hope your PT is going good!
I honestly had no doubt Ruf was gonna hit one when Flavor doubled down on his call.
The success rate on these predictions is uncanny.
The earliest one I remember was a 6-0 final score of some random game that might’ve aggravated Twin.
Then there was the Cain perfecto.
How nuts is that?
thank you. Some of the calls I’ve made here have been truly astounding.
I wish we had kept a record of them…
Hip much better thanks
I do need to keep kicking my ass on PT though..
I’ll join Blade . . . .
I don’t hate Kapler and he’s not a moron. The moves he made were not particularly unorthodox — they were certainly not so far removed from what any other manager would have done that he deserves even a fraction of the criticism being levelled at him — they just blew up in incredibly unlikely ways. As Mac’s Kim example points out, it happens (I realize Mac is also not a Kap fan :-)). In reality, there just isn’t enough range or complexity to a baseball manager’s line up decisions for anyone in the role to be cast as a moron over them.
As for Gott, the guy pitched back to back innings featuring two rare defensive mistakes, one a very unusual one. These were not booted ground balls, and neither would have been forestalled with better “preparation.” Two veteran players made mistakes they simply shouldn’t have made. Think about the odds of that. And Gott didn’t just give up the HRs — the A’s, who had been underperforming, had to hit them. Gott had pitched very well going in to Friday night’s game, better than the alternatives.
I am ready to see new players, now.
James, do we distinguish between moves and non-moves?
It’s all part of thinking through alternate scenarios, and realizing what you’re left with is the quality of the players and chance.
Interesting note about the WS Game 4: Kim entered in the 8th and got 3 outs, blew it in the 9th and was left in for the 10th when Jeter hit the 2-out walk-off HR, so that’s almost 3 IP, then Brenly went to him again the next night. Yeah, I’m not impressed so far by Mr. Kaplan, though Flores really was the main goat in the Friday game.
It’s probably a good day to be struck by lightning if you’re a Giants fan.
Anything hit reasonably well in the air seems to make it over the wall.
Baseball has to fix this…
MLB likes it. They’re chasing a mythical rise in TV ratings.
I guess something I heard a 20 something young lady say a couple of years ago sums it up:
“I love Citifield. You don’t feel like you’re at a baseball game.”
In fairness, she was referring to all the food options and places to hang out as opposed to sitting in your seat watching the game…
If Kapler is a moron, it’s for taking the Giants job in the first place. The roster is not even fully rebuilding yet because of the Bore Core. Other than Bart, all the strong minor league talent is years away.
It was always going to be a rough gig for whoever was the new manager.
Is he building his resume or wrecking it?
Depends on how much time he gets with the Giants. If they dump him after next season, he’ll have to take a coaching job somewhere.
Kapler had a pretty good group of players in Philly. So is it the players or is it his managing philosophy? I’m sorry, or is it the staff’s managing philosophy? On the bright side, they have 2 hitting coaches with 1 assistant and 2 pitching coaches with 1 assistant, so they can always fire 1 or 2 of those guys without having to fill a position.
Those players were not really all that good, the addition of Harper adding some gloss to a roster with a few above average position players and below average pitching. 500 is where they rightfully finished.
“sums it up: “I love Citifield. You don’t feel like you’re at a baseball game.”
That’s an awesomely funny/sad quote. It would fit right in as part of the final season of “Brockmire,” which looked at MLB twenty years into the future.
“I am ready to see new players, now.”
All I want is the Bart
Just gimme the Bart
You don’t have to be a racing fan to appreciate this…
The GREAT John Henry. ’81 is likely the year I placed my first wager at Bay meadows
And one of the meanest horses ever.
Him and Dynaformer were just outright nasty…
Forego had a major mean streak, but you could win him over with very ripe bananas.
Just don’t yell at him and keep your hands off.
Seattle Slew liked hard rock music on the radio in his stall.
If you changed the station he’d gladly stomp your guts out…
If you consider what he did on the track and in the breeding shed, Slew was very possible the greatest thoroughbred ever. I think they paid $ 17,500 for him as a yearling…
Today is National Bratwurst day and also National Rum day. Enjoy.
Olympia Provision frankfurters for lunch and a barrel-aged Palmetto for happy hour are planned. Close . . . .
Nothing fancy here either, using what was already on hand. Dietz and Watson Brats cooked in beer, butter and onions before grilling. Myers, Appleton and Malibu rums mixed with oj and pineapple juices for a refreshing beverage. Cheers.
Apparently, they’re gonna try again even though the trophy is already lost..
1. Mike Yastrzemski (L) RF
2. Alex Dickerson (L) LF
3. Donovan Solano (R) 2B
4. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
5. Evan Longoria (R) 3B
6. Wilmer Flores (R) DH
7. Tyler Heineman (S) C
8. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
9. Mauricio Dubon (R) CF
65 years ago today..Dumbo the Flying Elephant opened up at Disneyland!
Some classics never go away as it’s still one of the most popular rides at the park!
Just looked up Joe Girardi’s managing career. He was NYY bench coach for a year and then hired in 2006 by the Marlins to manage, paying virtually no dues. He had a roster with some pretty good talent, better than the 2019 Phillies. They finished 78-84, a few games worse than an inferior 2005 Marlins team did. A couple years later he’s managing the loaded Yankees.
Girardi was NL Manager of the Year in 2006!
The press anticipated 2009 in his deft handling of the Marlins.
I’m down with blade’s POV.
This team is sheisse, especially the Pen.
Who’s the closer, if not Gott? Feel free to pencil in somebody else.
When Yaz is by far your best player, you know you suck.
The A’s have four OFers better than Yaz.
A’s will probably put a beating onto the Gs today…
Phillies’ Alec Bohm is already contributing to the big league club after only one week. Drafted right after Bart.
Time to get Bart up here, regardless of other factors.
Do young folks use the term TV “set”?
I doubt it.
And the word “telephone” is fading into obscurity.
Yet on TV you’ll still hear “don’t touch that dial!”…
Repeating something is “sounding like a broken record,” and I still hear that phrase a lot in the media. I wonder if young people fully get it.
Ha! What year?
1977
I dislike all of the younger generations’ slang. I’d have to think real hard to think of any of their slang I like.
In the ‘90s, people started saying a new album “drops.” Always hated that.
I hear it for movies sometimes now.
The Giants’ defense shows the correct usage of drop.
More insanity from Kap…Belt in the fucking four hole. Pull your head outta your ass, Kap!
Did Belt shave his head or something?
Something looked different last night just below the helmet line…
Looked that way. Sure as fuck didn’t have a positive impact on his ability to effectively swing a bat.
The beard is what needed to go.
Yes, yes, the rest of him, too.
Heard Chisox just hit 4 consecutive HRS vs. Cards.
The game has become just plain idiotic.
But we watch.
Free today on MLB.TV…
Why doesn’t the on-screen strike zone (waist high at best) match the strike zone as described in the rule book?
I’ve wondered about this, too. It’s probably difficult to adjust the box dynamically to the size of the hitter, crouch, stride.
I’m trying to remember how happy I thought I’d be just to watch the Giants play games. Now it’s raining at the ballpark. Driving on 580 headed home a little while ago, under 95 degree sun, I watched lightning stab down to the ground from a thunderhead. What a year.
As sharp as Webb was in the 1st he’s Wild Thing Vaughn this inning..
the Championship Belt is back
So is the law of averages…
the current term is “leverage” I think
Wow, ChromeDome ran into one. That’ll buy him a couple more weeks in the line-up/four hole.
Shut up Amy!
I would rather listen to the Belt HR call!!
And get those eyebrows waxed!
Scary…
Fiers FB < 90 MPH. If only there were more crafty RHers in the league.
When asked about Cool Papa Bell’s speed, Satchel Paige said that one time he faced Cool Papa the man fired a screaming line drive right past Paige’s ear. Scared him badly. He dropped down and turned to see where the ball went just in time to see it hit Cool Papa in the butt as he slid into second.
Jon Miller, on the pre-game radio show today. Old story, but still.
James breaking out the Wire. Love it.
As far as Kapler goes, Longo running on a fastball (3-0) count?
Mr Kotter doesn’t have a lot to work with but his handling of the pitchers has been abysmal.
Nice throw to no-man’s land.
More fundamental fuck-ups…missing the cut-off. 🙄
Doobie’s arm looked weak as well as inaccurate. Damn.
Wasn’t even in the same ZIP code….
This team plays baseball like it’s a hobby…
Awful AB by Dubon…
Certainly a poor attempt to bunt….
Something we all knew was coming.
A thing of beauty 😂gets the run in by Yaz though!
That was a thang
Longoria flashing the leather to start that DP!!
No way in hell Solano makes that play. He would of attempted an ole like a matador on that one..
Btw nice work of Not Showing that smashed DP ball xfinity sports..
Gyros are sure finding out about the various arms they have.
Bunch of tater gas cans. 25 of 37 HRs given up have been from the Pen.
Peralta suxxx…
And just like that a missile 🚀🚀 off the 1st pitch by Peralta to Pinder and It’s 4-2 A’s!!
BP continues to SUCK!!
Did I say Peralta suxx?
Make that Suxxxxxxxxxxx.
Why isn’t he being pulled right now?…
Same question I yelled at Kapler about by Gott..
Just fell on deaf ears by a manager that doesn’t give a shit..
first pitch again?
Yep
A’s being merciful today.
So u want to be a centerfielder Dubon? Have to catch that one!
Yeah Peralta Sucks! And This game is over!
Sweeep!!
I predicted 25 wins for the gyros if the 60 games actually happened.
Think I’ll ratchet that down to 21…
second game of Texas series Giants won 7-3 to go to 5-4 on 8-1.
an L today would put them at 8-15 so slide back to reality has been momentous.
at this point mgmt would have to admit, you would hope, you might as well get prospects their share of PT.
Bart can’t be much more inept at C than Heine or Tromp.
D-Rod still Suxxxxxxxx. This team just has little talent.
yeow Piscotty strikes again 9-2. one hop through the bleachers
Dubon with the hmmmmmm, not gonna reach for that one.
BP is almost over?
454 fucking feet!
Now that was a Big Ass Liftoff Homer by Piscotty holy moly..
I thought that one was a replay.
well, at least the a’s RHs aren’t driving the HRs into McCovey Cove
lulz
too busy aiming for the glove
This is getting hilarious.
Then Piscotti at a 3-run 454′ bomb off Rodriguez– the HR parade continues.
Murphy crushes double.
Now a Simean 2-run tater follows.
I predicted a beating tofay. A’s are just too powerful, G’s Pen is absolute doggy doo…
Oh just keep on getting Homers A’s it worth watching the Giants implode!!
As Kapler still sits on his ass with a bewildered 👀!!
I hoped Dubon would pan out. Now I think he’s dross. Is Slater still hurt?
Dubon is a 2nd baseman. He’s no CFer. Slater’s hurt?
Oh hell it took Dickerson to reach over the wall to prevent another homer to finally end the massacre inning..
Baggs said, “stephen piscotty put that in Galarraga territory.”
That one by Big Cat was farthest one ever to LF, no?
yep.
Whoa, good stuff.
Giants Pen held ’em to a 9-run inning…
If Giants ownership and management would just admit this is a rebuild, it might feel a little better.
They won’t admit it, and that’s just BS…
Dave Kaval, the a’s part owner and official spokesperson, took to tweeting on Giants feeds this weekend, inviting SF fans to hop on his bandwagon. I told him I thought this was the year for the a’s. One of the best teams, talent-wise, and they have a special edge because they’re used to playing at least half their games in an empty stadium. I haven’t seen any bandwagon taunts from him today. He’s probably basically a decent guy. The mercy rule applies.
good one xoot. Too bad for them in that they could have drawn fairly well with team they have this season.
Interesting to see if Mr. Kaval OKs new deal for Semien, and how they react to eligibility of arb deals in off season for Chapman and Olson.
Traditionally A’s of Beane era haven’t kept their best guys around. These 3 ain’t gonna be cheap.
Chapman will be gone when he can go.
In the early Beane years, the a’s kept great players through the arb years–the big 3 pitchers, Giambi Juice bro, Tejada, Chavez. When the new owners took over and Lew Wolff pulled the purse strings, they scaled back and would just let most players go after the first three controlled. I think the estimable Sean Doolittle was an exception; he signed a very low-dollar long-term deal. (I think he liked the Bay Area.) Since mlb forced the a’s to give asswipe Wolff the boot, Kaval has been a lot more interesting. I think he, and Beane, and Melvin, for what that’s worth, know what they have.
The baseball season was fun for little while anyway…
After the Petit shout out, a quick peek at Romo’s 2020 stats:
7 IP, 2 hits, 9 Ks, 1 walk
Go to the store at 2-2 and come back . . . 9?
hope you were buying bourbon and beer
Unfortunately no, but I may have to go back out now.