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Therapeutic Release

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 11, 2020

See what dopey Zaidi did? Release the Panda, team turns to crap. How else can you explain the direct correlation between the release and then the sluggish 6-1 loss? Exact same thing happened when we got rid of the powerhouse known as Duffy. In fact, at this stage of his career he has a lot in common with Duffy—no power, no speed. And that combo plays quite poorly in today’s game…..

No no, it was time for the Panda to go go. Truth is, he and Pence never should have returned. There is no WAY Zaidi made that move on his own. I’m sure that decision came from management—they never gave Giants fans enough credit for understanding the game, they think all we care about is the name on the back of the jersey. But after the pandemic hit and they don’t have any fans in the park anymore anyway AND we have been playing solid ball despite the impotent production we got from Pence and Pablo, it was time for them to go.

Their era ended in 2014. It’s incredible to me that management thinks so little of us that they thought they’d have to bring those 2 guys back to keep our interest in the team……

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  1. chipower9 said, on September 11, 2020 at 7:29 am

    Agree. Pence and El Gordo should have never been on the club. And I suspect you are correct Flav that management (Larry the Lush) had some sayin the decision. Whatever, better to have moved on that to be carrying that dead weight.

    Did not see the game yesterday as we were in transit to Fort Bragg. Looking at the box, similar number of hits, but Giants with 11 LOB (Belt four and Yaz two).

    Wash that shit off and get ‘em today. A split would be great for this four game series.

    Definitely scoreboard watching time. Rox playing the Halos. Fish against Phil’s, with DHer on Sunday.

    Humm Baby!

  2. gianthead said, on September 11, 2020 at 7:31 am

    Just need a split in SD…

  3. willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 7:52 am

    Conspiracy theories going over Zaidi’s head to sign players??? Ok whatev they’re both gone. let’s put it this way–Z has signed a bunch of other total washouts all on his own in his time here,

    Up til Cahill took mound, Giants pitching had allowed 1 run in last 15 innings. Laughed at Mac’s “Tonight?” response.

    Solano made 9th error of season. Um if no DH in NL, then how do you get him and Wilmet’s bat in lineup?
    Hella grab by flaco Dubon to rob Tatis Jr. CF is his to lose.
    Nice article on him in Chron. Turns out in minors he ran into an adopted kid from Honduras who lives with baseball family in Texas. Gave kid bat he got first hit with and some gear. Also he goes back to old country, not baseball mad like Nicaragua or other countries nearby, and provides gear for kids there too.

    • chipower9 said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:08 pm

      Did not know that about Dubon. That is very cool. I have read a couple of stories about him and his American baseball family. Good stuff.

  4. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:06 am

    I’m giving them a pass last night because cahill was terrible and had nothing. But the reality is, the giants match up well against mediocre teams. The SD series is a good test. Tonight is a big game.

  5. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:07 am

    Come on, WD, at least entertain the idea. There was NO reason for Z, a guy who likes young players and analytics, out of the blue signs two ex-SF greats. management had a hand in that guaranteed

    • willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:38 am

      mm there are couple legit reasons to have gone that way on minimum 1 yr make good deals. Sandoval hit very well last year, .800 OPS with some power and before he showed up in less than optimal shape Giants plan to have him as back up 3b/1b/PH wasn’t bad idea on paper.
      Same with Pence–plenty of posts here and elsewhere over what he did last season in Texas, supposedly revamping his swing yada yada. Giants adding Ruf another indication RH power a spot they hoped to upgrade.

      Just my not so humble opinion– don’t think Baer has any influence over baseball decisions these days.

  6. unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:15 am

    I guess appeasing the Facebook moms is a thing? The gut wrenching over Panda is insane.

  7. sandog said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:16 am

    If Baer and those guys still have a voice, we’d still have Bum and we’d maybe even have Harper.
    I don’t buy it. I think Z chose to bring those guys back on his own. And he missed on those two moves. But at least he moved on and obviously he has made some nice moves as well.
    I think the guy wants to win and rebuild at the same time, which I thought was a fool’s errand, but he and the team have proved me wrong this season.

  8. xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:31 am

    9/11 and there’s definitely something in the air around here (horrible air quality all over–Mumbai by the Bay) and maybe that fosters paranoia, I don’t know. But in the offseason Zaidi clearly needed to gather offensive potential wherever he could find it and both Pence and Pablo were coming off pretty good 2019s. Why not give them a shot? Then CV19. Then Buster opted out. When the season started Z et al lacked a full ST to evaluate what they had, but they knew there was very little veteran presence in the clubhouse. Keeping the two accomplished, popular vets made some sense — provisionally. As the other players started to hit (and finally learned to play D together), Pence and Pablo couldn’t keep up. Cutting them made sense. They’d given what they could. Looks rational to me.

    Now does anyone have any interesting conspiracy theories as to why Wotus is still around?

    • chipower9 said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:12 pm

      OK. I can see the logic in the signings.

      Wotus? He has chicken pictures on someone high up in the org.

  9. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:33 am

    think about it this way: Z dumpster dives all the time. Usually younger guys but almost always guys we haven’t heard of. Then, as the season is approaching and the team looks like they are going to stink, out of the blue he goes back to back with Pence and fucking Panda? Come on, that’s no coincidence.

    • sandog said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:41 am

      I thought he would go with young guys only too, but he has brought in several older guys—Ruf, Kratz, Wilbur—Pence and Pablo align with other moves he has made. His dumpster dives are actual quite similar to Sabean’s.

    • willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:55 am

      He was supposedly still looking for LH bat he could use off bench at deadline–what he thought he could have gotten from Sandoval that didn’t materialize. Smoak is no kid either and can’t play 3b.
      Roster predominates with LH–Belt Craw (both coming off bad years) Yaz Dickerson Duggar. He added RH to IF with Flores and was after another for OF he thought would be good fit. Nothing wrong with adding in 2 good clubhouse types too, an additional benefit. Just a plan that didn’t work out.

  10. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:35 am

    Seems split at the flap on whether we think the P/P moves were made genuinely or if it was driven by something (or someone) else. Truth is, it doesn’t really matter. They’re gone, Z fixed those 2 mistakes, and we are where we are today. This team feels a lot like the 2010 team without the pitching…….

    • chipower9 said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:14 pm

      Good analogy on 2020.

  11. willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:48 am

    Hank did an interesting public mea culpa -he had originally been very down on entire season which he didn’t think would ever come off yada yada. Cautious optimism baseball can finish regular and post season perhaps in bubble format, even if I don’t care for 8 team playoffs and lot of other things.

    NBA and NHL appear ready to finish their season in bubble, along with WNBA. Great night of tennis without fans in NYC last night and throughout tournament plus one before that also played there. Well played matches, great theater with commentary from both McEnroes and others, including Randy Moffit’s engaging sister.

    Football started too, Chiefs looked really good and #1 draft pick from LSU could be steal as others have been talking about ever since they took him. Like everything else it’s gonna be different without much fans in attendance. Players and coaches seem fully engaged so hope it works.

    • Macdog said, on September 11, 2020 at 9:44 am

      Watching the US Open without the crowds has been weird, just like the other sports. While the Open crowd at times can be raucous to the point of annoyance, the energy and atmosphere they provide is greatly missed.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:23 pm

      There were roughly 18,000 fans at the KC game yesterday. But they did their usual piping in of crowd noise to augment reality.

      Jerry jerk-off is likely to have upwards of 40,000 at his games this season.

      And Jolly Roger Goodell, in his inimitable puppet fashion, said that fans bring nothing to the game and do not create a home field advantage. Thereby pulling a familiar ploy to abdicate himself from enacting a league-wide policy to not allow fans and instead left it up to the local municipalities.

  12. Winder said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:50 am

    Both Pence and Pablo were on nothing contracts. I don’t know who’s decision it was to pick then up but they both had more upside than down when it was done. They just ran out of gas at the same time and it was time to cut bait. I find it hard to believe that players who make it to this level don’t have fielding skills, that should be the first thing they ace. Errors will kill any game.

    • Macdog said, on September 11, 2020 at 9:47 am

      I’m with you there about the lack of fielding skills. I wonder if this is what having the DH at all levels except the National League has wrought.

      • Winder said, on September 11, 2020 at 11:14 am

        Good point.

    • alleykat69 said, on September 11, 2020 at 10:27 am

      Yeah I agree Winder, fielding skills are so important, unfortunately guys like Flores,Solano,Ruf,Dickerson don’t have that but make up with it with their bats..

      Next year maybe the DH is full time( even though I still hate it) cause the Giants have a Surplus of DH candidates, those 4 above plus Smoak, Posey/Bart if you want both those bats in the LU together. Lots of figuring out to do next ST..but they better keep Solano around,Barrels can flat out hit!!

  13. djloo27 said, on September 11, 2020 at 9:33 am

    Probably see Smoak tonight – one of 5 Giants who’ve faced this guy.
    Machado hits Cueto well…

  14. alleykat69 said, on September 11, 2020 at 9:49 am

    The only reason Pence&Pablo we’re back was the rah rah factor in the dugout.Pence the inspirational speaker the white players and Pablo for the Latin/DR players.Both were respected for there years of service time and battles they went thru.

    How the hell can you keep 2 guys around that hit a buck&2 bucks with a COMBINED 3HR’s? They were both totally done like the “Turkey in Chevy Chase Christmas Vacation “
    Shit if Smoak gets hot for even a 2 week stretch he could pass that feeble HR total, and he has 196 career homers,so that could easily happen now that the park is playing small.Im excited to add him, especially with the last 7 or 8 ??games to finish are at home..

  15. dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 11, 2020 at 10:55 am

    I’d say the P/P moves were Zaidi decisions on his own. A good point mentioned earlier, which I’ve also noticed, in that he is very similar to Sabean with his dumpster dives and whatnot. Other than his lack of history with the vet core and willingness to cut bait and move on a lot quicker-what’s the difference?

    Bochy – dude’s a forever Giant legend but he’d be running those his guys out there to the bitter end. Especially in this shortened season and I could see it being hard for Zaidi to get around that. I don’t know what percentage to assign to it but the improvement at the dish we’re seeing this year is partly due to more relaxed players who’re obviously having more fun than in recent years imo. That’s not necessarily a knock on Bochy and sure the players have been shuffled a bit but even the best leaders get tuned out eventually.

    • Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 11:21 am

      the other day Kap was on KNBR in the morning giving literally ALL of the hitting credit to the players being open to the new hitting approach that is being taught to them. Went on to praise his coaches for all their hard work. I don’t mind the guy finding an opportunity to take credit for something but it was odd how he was giving so much of the credit to the hitting approach

  16. snarkk said, on September 11, 2020 at 11:26 am

    I will take, all day long, guys that can hit like hell and field OK over golden gloves with hopeless linguini bats…

    • James said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:21 pm

      Yep, because on balance, hitting skills are a bigger deal. Preventing runs has a lot to do with the pitching. Creating runs is almost all on the hitting skills.

  17. sandog said, on September 11, 2020 at 11:59 am

    I can’t wait until these hitting gurus sprinkle their magic dust on my boy Duggar!
    It’s going to be awesome!!

    • unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:25 pm

      Uh, they have been.

      • sandog said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:43 pm

        When is that shit gonna kick in then????

      • unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:04 pm

        Depends on if S-later gets a big dose or not.

    • snarkk said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:53 pm

      They may have used it all on Belt…

  18. dirtnrocksnomo said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:18 pm

    Has Bart caught Cueto since they weren’t able to get on the same page a few turns back? Doesn’t seem like it. Nice to see him picking it up at the plate over the last 7 games or so but Bart sure has a lot of brain farts on the defensive side which is the one spot you can’t really live with a bad glove.

    1.Yastrzemski (L) RF
    2. Dickerson (L) LF
    3. Solano (R) 2B
    4. Belt (L) 1B
    5. Flores (R) DH
    6. Longoria (R) 3B
    7. Crawford (L) SS
    8. Dubón (R) CF
    9. Tromp (R) C

    • unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:25 pm

      No.

    • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:35 pm

      Joey seems to have trouble handling signs with (or from) Cueto (who imo is a very smart, quick thinking player).

    • snarkk said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:55 pm

      In his later time, Timmy rarely pitched with Buster. It gives Tromp some play time to keep him sharp, the kid can hit a little bit…

      • unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:05 pm

        Posey did catch Timmy’s 2nd no-hitter.

        I wonder just based on all the awards and accomplishments Timmy got in his short but crazy career if he would hit the hall, a la Sandy Koufax.

      • snarkk said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:12 pm

        Timmy ain’t gonna sniff the HOF, the way the selection process works. Turtles who play for half of MLB teams like Harold Baines are in, because they had longevity, an accumulator. A dominant, charismatic guy like Timmy over a short period — no chance. But, who is more deserving — I say both. The story of baseball has to have a Timmeh chapter, it could have a Baines paragraph and nobody would be worse off.
        But, Timmeh is surely on Mt. Giantsmore of SF Giants…

      • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:18 pm

        Tim adored Benji but he and Posey did just fine in 2010 after Benji moved on. And thereafter.

      • chipower9 said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:23 pm

        Tom – I like and agree with your take on the “Timmeh” chapter in the story of baseball. IMO, there should be a place in the HOF for him and similar players who had short, but meteoric rises in the game. Timmy brought so much electricity every time he started.

      • djloo27 said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:52 pm

        The HOF would have to be the size of the Pentagon to accommodate all the shooting stars.
        Timmy’s 2 CYs, 3 titles, and 2 no-nos will keep his name in the record books forever.
        It’s up to their teams to celebrate these guys and they should show up at the yard every now
        and again too, if possible…

  19. unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:27 pm

    Yeah, Z made the call on Pence and Pablo. He was hoping that a local dumpster dive would be as successful as some of his other ones. They were low-risk medium reward deals that didn’t pan out. I just thought they took too long to pull the trigger on the DFAs.

  20. James said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:29 pm

    I’m feeling a bullpen failure tonight . . . .

  21. djloo27 said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:46 pm

    The Giants may never again sign a guy for more than 5 years/$100 million.
    Ever…

  22. James said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:47 pm

    Not that he couldn’t have stumbled on it, but Sabes never brought in a Yaz, or even someone who has torn it up like Solano. Z is of course more methodical than “Clubhouse RBI Guy” Sabes.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:50 pm

      Pat the Bat, Michael Morse, Marco Scutaro, Glasschez, Cody Ross, and Ryan the Riot beg to differ.

      Solano is on a nice 40+ game run, but all those guys had similar productive runs.

      • James said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:04 pm

        Love the first two on that list, and there’s no denying the contributions of the others, but Solano is batting about 340 over 121 games for SF, high 800s OPS.

    • willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:53 pm

      Lot of talk on sites that hasn’t the Dodgers way under Friedman (where Z was for a few seasons) either. Though they did drop 4 yrs./ $80 mil-ish on A J Pollock.

    • sandog said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:10 pm

      You don’t think Z believes in RBI Sniffers?????

  23. unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:48 pm

    Tell ya one thing, not having Posey this year has sure made the whole catcher position a gigantic question mark next season.

    It did give us a quicker look at Joey Bart, for good or worse, but with Posey, Bart, and 1st round pick Patrick Bailey in the mix *well a couple years), and Belt actually hitting well along with his usual defense, something has to give.

    Posey could come back and regain his power along with his other skills, but he may just be what he has been. A singles-hitting pitcher whisperer. Put him at 1st and you have a singles-hitting $21 million 1st baseman who isn’t the defender Belt is.

    Belt isn’t trade bait either with that $16 million albatross around his neck, unless he takes over the playoffs or some shit, unless and until we eat a lot of that, so what is the plan of attack? And really, I didn’t see us drafting a catcher this year. For a team that lacks power in the OF, the neglect that all the time. Hunter Bishop is the only hope.

    • snarkk said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:58 pm

      Insert my usual OFer rant. I must say though, that with Bishop and Ramos in the wings, at least one of those two hopefully will bring some power, speed and arm all in one package for the first time in decades. I think Kat’s buddy Jaylin is floating somewhere south of Limbo…

    • willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:05 pm

      Imagine Posey returns to C (only, no 1b) in final season at $21 mil. He also helps mentor Mr. Bart and Mr. Kapler on how to handle his staff quite a bit. There is an option for 2022 if physically/mentally he felt like playing more ($3 mil buyout I believe). Lot of talk Bart learning some 1b too so my guess is that would be an option to keep his bat in the lineup for next year as well.
      Bailey is still couple years out at least and insurance policy.

      Thing about Belt and Crawford, both having much better seasons at plate than last year, is how sustainable their success in 60 games is gonna be over 162. Belt is at 1.000 OPS–could he really do that at his age over 6 month season? It also hasn’t been decided whether archways will be closed or open next season either.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:57 pm

      Bishop is the big hope, but if you check out the top 30 prospect list you will see that SF has a mass of outfielders in the pipeline. Maybe its a case of throwing mud balls at a brick wall and see which ones stick, or perhaps its more calculated than that.

  24. sandog said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:50 pm

    Remember when Pablo hit a homer I think to win a game on the last day of the season a couple years ago?
    I begged him on here to retire then and there.
    He made quite a few nice contributions after that, so I tip my hat to him.

    Fun Fact–just realized my daughter and I saw Diana Rigg at Lincoln Center when we were in NYC 2 years ago in My Fair Lady. I remember the crowd giving her a big ovation and my daughter knew her from Game of Thrones. We lost track of time and couldn’t get back to our place to change, so I went to the show in shorts and an AC/DC shirt. My parents would have been appalled. Funny the things you remember.

    Had no idea she was such a hottie in her younger days. Avengers was a bit before my time and they didn’t carry that one on he Channel 40 reruns out of Sactown.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 12:55 pm

      Yeah, The Avengers was still in rerun circulation when I was a kid, There was a ton of spy shows back then. The Man From Uncle, Mission Impossible, Get Smart, The Prisoner, The Saint, I Spy, off the top of my head.

      Loved all that stuff.

      • snarkk said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:00 pm

        Bond started all that. And, the Spy Who Came In From the Cold by LeCarre, and Burton in the movie. An underrated spy movie then was the Ipcress File, with Michael Caine. Of course, then we were in the middle of the Cold War with the Russkies. Now, [insert banned political speech here ]….

  25. unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:01 pm

    Zach, Meet Jeremy. Apparently Zach wheeler injured himself putting his pants on.

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/zack-wheeler-suffers-freak-injury-putting-on-pants/

    • chipower9 said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:28 pm

      That’s fucking hilarious….

  26. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:02 pm

    Diggity talking about his boy Duggar up above. Motherfucking Grave Duggar. Thanks, I hadn’t thought about that name in a while. Feels good to get back on it.

    • snarkk said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:05 pm

      Does this team miss Duggar and his limp bat and oft injured body?
      I don’t think so…

      • Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:13 pm

        The Grave Duggar is the rare ballplayer who I would keep on the roster just for his nickname. Only other player I can remember I felt that way about: Count Chocula

      • unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:35 pm

        Much like the Duffman and his replacement Robertson.

  27. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:12 pm

    good thing there isn’t a baseball game in the Bay Area tonight…….
    https://www.baaqmd.gov/

  28. alleykat69 said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    Agree, You can start digging the grave for the GraveDuggar (sorry SanDog) he’s not in there plans ( sadly I’m thinking the same thing with my boy Jaylin Davis. If they’re going with Wasabi Basabe now it tells us what they think of these 2 right now..

    Unca..I would think the the Giants are still high on Heliot Ramos as one of the outfielders for power even over Bishop right now cause he already has over 1,100 AB’s in the minors he should get a callup before Bishop maybe next year..

    • unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:37 pm

      Forgot about Ramos. Hopefully he’s our next Chili Davis.

  29. Bozo said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    Zaidi is a god, he can do no wrong. He has Harris around just to wipe his ass but apparently only when Baer tells him he needs his ass wiped. Oh no wait, maybe it was the medical staff that signed those guys.

    Anyway, they blew a chance to just move Pablo to the bullpen for awhile before cutting him.

    • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:22 pm

      I doubt Baer’s even that close to baseball ops these days.

      • Bozo said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:31 pm

        Agreed and outside of very large contracts or over budget deals, I doubt the other owners get involved much with the baseball side of the house.

  30. zumiee said, on September 11, 2020 at 1:59 pm

    Tromp being Cueto’s personal catcher is not a big deal. It’s happened in baseball before with big name pitchers. They feel more comfortable with the back-up catcher, plus the starting catcher needs days off anyway. I remember somebody on the Braves did that. Glavine or Maddox.

    • zumiee said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:05 pm

      Man, George W. Bush’s internets have a lot of information.

      In 2003, 33 of Maddux’s 36 starts (36 starts?! Not sure if this stat includes playoff games) were caught by Henry Blanco, who only caught 42 games for the Braves that season.

      • zumiee said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:13 pm

        Maybe the all-time personal catcher relationship was Carlton and McCarver.
        There were three years where just about the only games McCarver caught were the Carlton starts, including 1978, when McCarver caught all 34 of Carlton’s starts, and McCarver only started in those 34 games.

      • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:20 pm

        Javy Lopez wasn’t a rookie in 2003. Posey was in 2010; Joey is now. The deeper you dig the more evidence you evince to show that Bart’s a minus defender so far and, possibly, a bit slow on the up take.

      • chipower9 said, on September 11, 2020 at 10:49 pm

        Yeah, I want to give him some rope and hope for a turn, but Bart hasn’t shown me much to excite me. Also don’t see him at C for long.

  31. alleykat69 said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:15 pm

    Yeah Henry Blanco was Maddux’s personal bitch.He didn’t like how Javy Lopez called his games.
    Hey it’s Greg Maddux HOF if your that good u can have your own personal catcher.

    • zumiee said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:17 pm

      The same with Cueto. If he wants Tromp, then Kap is going to respect that, given Cueto’s accomplishments. I see it as a nothing issue.

      • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:21 pm

        Bart’s mediocrity is not a nothing issue. Imo.

      • zumiee said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:25 pm

        Yes, admittedly, in his 19 games as a rookie, he’s not an All-Star yet.

      • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:29 pm

        The guy’s managed to alienate the ace of the staff in three weeks. QED. 🙂

      • zumiee said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:29 pm

        On offense, he has scored 11 runs in his 19 games, which does indicate he has helped move some rallies along.

      • zumiee said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:40 pm

        If the Giants had their druthers, Bart would have started this season at AAA to keep improving his defense. But, of course, all that changed. And I don’t see him as a minus defender. I think he’s about average on defense, with a strong arm that needs to keep working on accuracy.

      • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:51 pm

        On balance, Bart’s contributed from the bottom of the LU. His arm is good. His D is not. Whether a full season in AAA would prepare him to catch Cueto et al., not to mention pop ups, I don’t know.

      • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:56 pm

        I was just scanning first-round picks for catcher to get a sense of how things go and I saw, with a bit of surprise, that Mike Ivie was drafted first overall by the Pads as a catcher in 1970. I remember him as a blockheaded slugging 1B, early 78 thrills notwithstanding. At least we got Jeff Leonard in trade return for him.

      • chipower9 said, on September 11, 2020 at 10:51 pm

        He (Bart) sure as hell isn’t rookie of the year material, or anything close to it.

  32. zumiee said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:22 pm

    It looked like last year that maybe Sabean/Evans had finally drafted a quality outfield prospect and traded him away to Pittsburgh. Bryan Reynolds, as a rookie last year, played a full season and hit over .300 and had an OPS over .800.
    This year so far: .181 average, with an OPS of .596. I know the goofy mini-season has messed with a lot of players’ stats. But still, it might turn out that Sabean/Evans never did draft a quality outfielder in over two decades of drafting. That’s pretty amazing.

    • zumiee said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:34 pm

      Duvall was converted to an outfielder by other teams, and did have a couple of nice seasons in Cincy’s little ballpark, and is having a nice mini-season for the Braves. Maybe the jury is still out on Duvall.

  33. Winder said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:42 pm

    Sabean made quite a few crucial pickups. Two of my favorites were Freddy Sanchez and Marco Scutaro. Playoff ballers.

    • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:48 pm

      Pence along with Scutaro in 2012. Made all the difference. (Melky who?)

      • Winder said, on September 11, 2020 at 3:01 pm

        Yes they were. I guess the Baseball Gods figured it was time to throw a bone our way.

      • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 3:03 pm

        Ha! That was full-on rib roast!

  34. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 2:55 pm

    i’ll never understand the Scutaro thing. He hit .362 for us after he joined in 2012. And then in the NLCS he hit .500! This guy was just a guy, he hit .277 in a mostly hum drum career…

    • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 3:02 pm

      I remember him as one of the few bright spots in 2013, despite back problems (maybe related to the NLCS takeout) and a fucking broken finger. He went to two strikes on every AB and usually still put the ball in play. Ice water.

    • djloo27 said, on September 11, 2020 at 3:06 pm

      Nothing will ever match the 2 months of Randy Winn in 2005:

      https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/winnra01.shtml

  35. alleykat69 said, on September 11, 2020 at 3:41 pm

    Then you can look at Solano and where did he come from? Same career batting average as Scuatro at .277,
    but he stunk the last 2 years between Miami and Mets hitting .189 and .227 in 2015 and 2016, doesn’t play in the majors in 2017 are 2018.
    The Giants pick him up and he has gone crazy off, hitting .330 last year and .352 so far this year! Doesn’t get any better then that for a dumpster bin pickup.
    Donnie Barrels is a professional hitter now, that was just a late bloomer.Yaz and Barrels is some of Zman’s best finds along with Dickerson..

  36. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 4:47 pm

    If you guys follow other team’s high draft picks tonight is a big start for casey mize. He’s been terrible since he got called up and the angry tiger fan has had just about enough of this bullshit lqtm

    • willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 5:57 pm

      who is he mad at, Tigers or Mize? the kid got drafted in 2018, made 4 starts 11 innings, and pitched 100 innings of AA ball last season.

      • Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:22 pm

        he’s mad at the Tigers

    • alleykat69 said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:25 pm

      That dude is just a whiny 😫 bitch that really needs professional help.Cant he just face the facts that Detroit sucks every year??

      A major league 1st alltime in Baseball,
      The Tampa Bay Devil Rays are starting all left handed hitters( no switch-hitters) against the RedSox’s!
      Team‘s have started all lefties before but some have been switch hitters..

      Brings back memories for me playing for the ex- Merchants of San Carlos when we played a Softball tournament up in Marysville Ca.
      The Team we faced in are 1st game were named Left Handed World.Didnt think much of it at the time until they got up to bat and every guy batted left handed!! It was weird 🤪 to see that for sure! We did beat them but it was close through out and I was more then happy playing 3B over 1B are RF..

  37. willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:18 pm

    wow no game tonite.

    • Macdog said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:20 pm

      Yep, just saw that.

  38. xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:20 pm

    We may be looking at a week of seven inning double headers to catch up. I can go for that.

  39. unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:20 pm

    What’s up? Positive test? Bad air?

    • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:22 pm

      Not clear. Smoke? Smoak? No one knows yet.

    • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:22 pm

      a stewardess on the flight Smoak took to Calif?

  40. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:21 pm

    the air is fine down there. my guess: a + test.

  41. djloo27 said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:23 pm

    Dubon looks like he’s 15 years old…

  42. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:23 pm

    incredible pic

    • djloo27 said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:25 pm

      Indian Gaylord!

      • Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:26 pm

        Murcer looks like he was done with this shit a minute ago

    • unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:29 pm

      Fisk in street clothes. Gaylord on the Indians. No Giants. Who is the young Pirate? Munson, Reggie. Is that Bobby Murcer bottom left?

      • Macdog said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:37 pm

        The game was in Pittsburgh that year, so he’s probably a Pirates bat boy.

  43. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:25 pm

    I’m calling bullshit on Smoak. My bet is that it’s him.

  44. djloo27 said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:26 pm

    Incredible that K&K still know nothing!

  45. xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:27 pm

    Man, used to be Jon Miller would tell good baseball stories during rain delays. Now we have Krukow philosophizing about the unseen enemy. 2020 sucks. It really does.

    • unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:31 pm

      Same with Greenwald.

      • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:35 pm

        Oh, Greenwald was great. Both of those guys — we’ve been fortunate.

    • James said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:38 pm

      It sure does. It’s out to get us. A couple of weeks ago my 30+ year old milk steamer exploded and nearly put a premature end to my retirement. It took a slice out of my forehead on its way up to the kitchen ceiling, where it left a nice divot.

      • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:44 pm

        holy sheet. Glad to hear the divot on your head wasn’t so bad. 30 years seems old for an everyday utensil. A classic Becker 8 foot single-fin surfboard? Sure. A heavy file cabinet. Yeah. But a high-pressure kitchen cooker? Man.

      • James said, on September 11, 2020 at 7:11 pm

        It was pretty damn stupid. I used it rarely, and didn’t always drain the water, which calcified and corroded the metal inside. The threading finally gave way . . .

      • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 7:15 pm

        I realized recently that I’ve calcified a bit. Retirement’s a whole new kind of adventure.

  46. xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:32 pm

    my son forwarded a tweet saying that a Giants player tested positive. Some tweeter named Kevin Acee.

    • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:33 pm

      Padres beat writer, apparently.

    • alleykat69 said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:34 pm

      Who the hell is Kevin Acee??

      • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:34 pm

        Padres beat writer, apparently

    • Macdog said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:35 pm

      Yes, Pads beat writer:

      • unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:36 pm

        Padres beat writer apparently.

      • xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:36 pm

        apparently

  47. alleykat69 said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:32 pm

    I’m blaming it on the cutouts!!
    This is BS!! I need answers!!
    You can’t handle the truth!
    I have a right!!

  48. unca_chuck said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    If it’s Smoak, what a joak. We was set up!

  49. xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:39 pm

    It’s hard to imagine how the test news could hit the clubhouse so late, just before game time.

  50. Macdog said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    And now Saturday’s game has been postponed.

    • willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 6:57 pm

      ah thx. San Diego Union paper said it was Giants player, other tweet stuff I saw just said someone in the organization.

  51. alleykat69 said, on September 11, 2020 at 7:04 pm

    Man it could only happen on 9/11

  52. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 7:39 pm

    now that we have nothing else to do tonight, please check out my man’s new book. He wrote it and did the illustrations. Fun read. I’ve known Dave since I was 12.
    https://tinyurl.com/y6hu5vno

  53. Flavor said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:33 pm

    if fucking dumbass BELT is the one who has this I am going to be especially irate……

  54. xoot said, on September 11, 2020 at 8:50 pm

  55. alleykat69 said, on September 11, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    Well atleast we have football 🏈 since the Giants will be shutdown for a week are longer!

    • djloo27 said, on September 11, 2020 at 9:43 pm

      Is that true?

      • alleykat69 said, on September 11, 2020 at 9:57 pm

        A’s didn’t play for a week after one player tested positive, so I’ll just say same case scenario, I could be wrong of course and I usually am. Time will tell.Maybe it’s just the curse of Panda 🐼, can we even rule him out? His whole family suffered from Covid-19 they still should check in on him as a possible carrier, just sayin..

  56. willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 9:49 pm

    Loo Hank said they probably won’t play before Tuesday vs. Seattle. That’s been standard for what happened with couple other teams.

  57. djloo27 said, on September 11, 2020 at 9:57 pm

    Thanks, WD…

    • willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 10:03 pm

      it is a Giants player too.

  58. willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 9:58 pm

    Hank: “The minimum shutdown has been four days, based on the advice from Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”
    “The A’s missed 5 days after reliever Daniel Megden tested positive in Houston Aug. 30 despite no other positive tests. The Reds sat out for four days after a positive test in mid August.”

  59. willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 10:01 pm

    Hank figured Giants could return to SD to play 2 games Thursday on off day after Seattle series, and make up the other one when Pads come here for final 3 games following weekend. A’s and Stros did this, with Houston batting as home team in Oakland for one game of DH.

    • alleykat69 said, on September 11, 2020 at 10:10 pm

      Does Seattle players all need to be retested since they just played the Giants?

    • willedav said, on September 11, 2020 at 10:36 pm

      I got it backwards. The Giants could stay in Seattle and play 2 vs. the Padres after they play M’s Tuesday and Wed., since all of them are off and Pads are scheduled to play in Seattle next weekend.

  60. zumiee said, on September 12, 2020 at 12:39 am

    For what it’s worth, someone on Facebook is claiming they know it’s Dickerson. Totally unverified.

    • zumiee said, on September 12, 2020 at 12:41 am

      In fact, it probably means it’s NOT him.


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