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How Bout a Day Win?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on September 19, 2020

Being terrible against the good teams is, frankly, what the Mariners are. So this 0-7 vs A’s/Pads isn’t really making a lot of sense. Unless you think we’re Seattle. Which we aren’t.

I’ve accepted that The Grave Duggar is buried deep on a depth chart somewhere. I need more Luis Baseball in my life. Let’s see him get a start today. And I woke up feeling either Wilmet or Solano was gonna go off today. Let’s see that happen, too.

Need a W. Anxious to see Gausman’s stuff today.

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  1. djloo27 said, on September 19, 2020 at 7:37 am

    I don’t put much stock in mop up relievers doing well. A lot of the time it’s cause the other team is crushing you and just wants to get the game overwith – even subconsciously. In our favor is that Oakland & SD truly have nothing at stake in these games against us. There are legitimate reasons to bring in the Grave Duggar right away. I don’t like what I’ve read about YazMaTaZZes injury…

  2. willedav said, on September 19, 2020 at 7:37 am

    Ah the M’s are a AAA team. A’s are fortunate their division is so weak;
    SF looked flat last night, though Bassitt has been good this year, while Webb is increasingly hard to watch.

  3. zumiee said, on September 19, 2020 at 7:45 am

    In 2011, when the Giants had signed Cody Ross to a two- year contract after his amazing playoff run in 2010, Ross had a calf injury while running in the outfield, and ended up missing about a month and a half. I was surprised by how much time Ross missed, but a calf injury can be a big deal sometimes

  4. Winder said, on September 19, 2020 at 8:09 am

    I get cramps in both of my calfs 2 or 3 times a week. It really sucks. And it really hurts. I think it must be because of my squats and walking uphill exercises.

    • djloo27 said, on September 19, 2020 at 8:31 am

      A lot of exercises do more harm than good…

      • alleykat69 said, on September 19, 2020 at 9:19 am

        I only believe in the arm curls…Beer bottle to my mouth..🍺

      • djloo27 said, on September 19, 2020 at 9:29 am

        Those sometimes give me elbow abrasions from the bar surface.
        Poor form?

      • Winder said, on September 19, 2020 at 9:43 am

        The ones I mentioned are mostly for my back to strengthen it. But yes you are right especially if you don’t do them right.

  5. willedav said, on September 19, 2020 at 8:09 am

    Pads got T Pham back last night. Machado hit 2 more HRs drove in 4 in 6-1 victory over M’s, who are still playing home games on the road. Yes Loo is right Pads really don’t have anything left to play for.
    Brewers won too and are only game back of 3 teams tied for .500, including Giants.

    Looking at A’s stats, it’s been their pitching that has carried them. their offense is generally top 5-8 in AL for scoring runs, bombs, OPS but pitching is only surpassed by Cleveland.
    They allow fewest HRs and BBs (great combo) and are no worse than second for runs against and ERA.

  6. Winder said, on September 19, 2020 at 8:11 am

    If we continue to play like yesterday it just might be the baseball Gods way of easing our pain from getting hammered in the playoffs.

  7. Carstie Clausen said, on September 19, 2020 at 8:47 am

    Today’s game is the one of the three where I feel the Giants have a reasonable chance via the pitching matchup. If Gausman is back on his game, he does have a moderately favorable ERA compared with his mound opponent, the Jesus Lizard. Yesterday I felt that Luis wasabi/beisbol should have gotten the call, much like Flav suggested for today’s game. This looks to be a guy who has something to prove at the MLB level and if given the chance, intends to do so.

  8. djloo27 said, on September 19, 2020 at 8:49 am

    Old man stuff:
    Mays now 6th on all-time HR list after being passed by Pujols.
    There was a time when that would be a fairly big deal. Not anymore.
    There are now 27 guys in the 500 HR club.
    I can remember when there were 4 and Willie became #5 (off Don Nottebart).
    He would soon get as high as second when he passed Double X at 534.
    It was humiliating for him to be passed by Aaron while still active.
    Just like it was humiliating for Mantle to get passed by Mays the same way…

  9. alleykat69 said, on September 19, 2020 at 9:39 am

    Mays got screwed by both the military and the ballparks he had to play in.Losing 2 years in his prime when the very 1st year back he hit 51 homers? Yeah he could of been the alltime HR leader at the time. Wondering if he also was pissed at Aaron for never going into the military at the time too. Only 3 years difference in age(Mays 23 Aaron 20)when guys are lining up at 18 to sign up..

    • Winder said, on September 19, 2020 at 9:49 am

      Yep. The wind was not a friend. No wonder Mays was pissed off a lot.

    • xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 10:21 am

      military prefers grunts 18 – 20, before the frontal lobe fully develops.

  10. alleykat69 said, on September 19, 2020 at 10:04 am

    Yeah Mays to his credit adjusted his swing( which is very hard to do when u were a consistent pull hitter)to start driving the ball to center and right center where the wind blew consistently in that direction.LF was just brutal for him, the wind at the Stick knocked every ball back!

  11. mrsprtdude said, on September 19, 2020 at 10:17 am

    lets go Giants! My brother (huge A’s fan) said he is ok with us winning today:)
    Funny story..jake lamb hitting .400+ for A’s since Chapman went down. Whenever he gets a hit the bullpen starts making lambs sounds “Baa baa and then cracking themselves up. Funny shit!

  12. djloo27 said, on September 19, 2020 at 10:32 am

    1. Austin Slater (R) DH
    2. Donovan Solano (R) 2B
    3. Darin Ruf (R) LF
    4. Wilmer Flores (R) 1B
    5. Evan Longoria (R) 3B
    6. Mauricio Dubon (R) CF
    7. Daniel Robertson (R) SS
    8. Joey Bart (R) C
    9. Luis Alexander Basabe (S) RF

  13. alleykat69 said, on September 19, 2020 at 10:40 am

    Luis Alexander Basabe ..Nice!
    Initials LAB.. So is he the latest of Z’s lab projects of analytics??

  14. djloo27 said, on September 19, 2020 at 10:58 am

    Dubon has all of 3 dubles in 123 AB.
    That’s not good enough…

    • sandog said, on September 19, 2020 at 11:08 am

      Agree. But i gotta give him some credit for raising his average and on base rate. Taking better at bats for sure.

      ….and this old man loved loved your 8:49!

    • Flavor said, on September 19, 2020 at 11:18 am

      *dubles* LULZ

    • Carstie Clausen said, on September 19, 2020 at 12:21 pm

      Taking early count questionable pitches could yield more walks. Gung-Ho is good…up to a point. If he doesn’t develop slash-drive power then in addition to his rising BA, he needs plenty of walks and maybe a good base-stealing coach…if he has the speed and can develop the pitcher-reading “instincts”.

  15. Macdog said, on September 19, 2020 at 11:08 am

    Dick placed on the Paternity List.

    • willedav said, on September 19, 2020 at 11:16 am

      corresponding roster move?

      • Macdog said, on September 19, 2020 at 11:19 am

        Suarez optioned, Peralta and Robertson called up.

  16. Flavor said, on September 19, 2020 at 11:17 am

    Louie Baseball should be leading off….

    • alleykat69 said, on September 19, 2020 at 11:49 am

      Agree BF..they could use a Lou Brock spark ⚡️ at the top of the LU..
      Why neutralize his speed by having Bart bat in front of him?

  17. willedav said, on September 19, 2020 at 11:21 am

    Mays may come off as prickly, but Shea in his book “24” paints a different picture,, at least among his peers. He was in on all pregame SP meetings to see how hitters would be pitched and directed the OF. He was friend to other black ballplayers, in a time when most clubs had a quota of how many could be on roster, maybe 3-4.

    He even took himself out of an All Star game (65 in KC, maybe can’t remember year) in order that a fellow CF he liked, Vada Pinson from Oaktown, could get into the game. And Aaron did play with him on barnstorming team.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on September 19, 2020 at 12:23 pm

      Nice. Organization needs to do more to honor him. He’s getting right on.up there.

    • Winder said, on September 19, 2020 at 12:27 pm

      I also think a lot of Mays perception came from the media. Mays was always respectful but still didn’t give they what they wanted. I know they used to nag him about any injuries he had and implied his age a lot.

      • Winder said, on September 19, 2020 at 12:28 pm

        them

  18. willedav said, on September 19, 2020 at 11:28 am

    The glove Mays used to make his famous catch vs. Cleveland in 54 WS is on loan to the HOF. Story behind that is Mays actually gave the glove to the son of someone associated with team at that time…don’t remember who he was or what he did. It was too big for the boy to use at the time and years later the family allowed it to be displayed in the Hall on loan only

  19. snarkk said, on September 19, 2020 at 12:36 pm

    KNBR radio show this morning talked about Giants competitive record. For all the below .500 teams faced, they are kicking ass. For all the above .500 teams faced, they are getting their ass kicked. Pretty much the definition of a .500 team. They are certainly doing better than I expected, I had them at 25 Ws max, and ratcheted down to 21 or so when they were losing their ass in those late inning blown save games. All in all so far, a more enjoyable than expected “season”, especially the hitting…

  20. zumiee said, on September 19, 2020 at 1:09 pm

    We look up, and the mini-season regular season is almost over. That went super fast.

  21. willedav said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:06 pm

    wtf? Solano got gunned down right in front of Wotus?

    • xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:08 pm

      the old man is a ghost. nobody sees or hears him.

  22. zumiee said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:09 pm

  23. snarkk said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:12 pm

    Giants baserunning is sometimes inexplicably dumb and self-defeating…

  24. xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:17 pm

    if Joey had knocked that bounced breaking ball down in front of him . . . . no run. But he has a good arm

    • zumiee said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:25 pm

      He had his glove in the right fundamental direction. He made a strong effort.
      The Giants’ leadership are the ones telling him to catch on one knee.

      • xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:29 pm

        i dont think he used his chest very well on that play.

    • snarkk said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:27 pm

      Would you rather he be in Sac catching side sessions from some journeymen hurlers? Or, maybe Heinemann be up in his place so we can have some more fun with catcher’s interference?…

      • xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:30 pm

        no. I’m glad to see just exactly what he has to offer

      • willedav said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:37 pm

        At least now he can appreciate how hard MLB is and how much he has to learn. It’s a long ways from AA.

      • zumiee said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:41 pm

        I’ve never seen any report or interview since he’s been with the Giants that indicates he’s walking around with a sense of entitlement. Quite the opposite, actually. He’s often talked about his need to learn and to get better.

      • xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:42 pm

        so what?

    • xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:42 pm

      the way gausman and luzardo have been pitching that one run looms large

      • zumiee said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:45 pm

        Whatever, Xoot. Have a great day.

      • xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 2:47 pm

        yeah you too

  25. snarkk said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:04 pm

    With no Covid, the Bart would have been at AA for at least half the season for 60 games or so, with 250 ABs and lots of defensive skill drills, and that would be AFTER a full spring training. Then, he’d probably have been up with the River Cats to play AAA until called up. Since that didn’t happen due to Covid, it was Sac for a month+, and then up to keep his development going. Nobody said the guy was Johnny Bench yet, and he probably won’t be. But, I like what I’ve seen so far. He’s got pop, he just has to learn to get that swing going to lift the ball more…

    • willedav said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:16 pm

      there isn’t anything wrong with him being here and you are right about the plan Z had which was a good one. But it’s obvious he doesn’t belong at this level and is in way over his head. What’s wrong with admitting that he’s unproductive at the plate and has defensive issues as well?

      All kinds of guys have “pop” but are incapable of making the type of contact often enough to be productive, as is case right now apparently with J Davis.

      • snarkk said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:58 pm

        I just “admitted” in a non-Covid situation, he”d have spent most of the year in the minors. That wasn’t reality we all faced, so he’s up. It’s what had to be done or its a year wasted. He can be up next season behind Buster and get better, or stay at AAA for half a season, assuming there is minor league play…

  26. willedav said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:08 pm

    Ah F. Selman gives up bomb to LH 3-0.
    Look the point is Bart (for all the angst fanbase had over “free Joey from Sac!”) has done very little to help since those 3 doubles early in his time up. It’s kinda funny to me the amount of times he’s come to the plate with a chance to do something beyond rework his velcro for the umpteenth time and yet isn’t even capable of a “single to right field”.

  27. djloo27 said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:09 pm

    Battle of the nicknames:
    “Son of Sam” Coonrod replaces “Sudden Sam” Selman…

  28. xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    he ain’t nothing but a coondog

  29. xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    if joey hasn’t learned by now how to use his chest like a mitt to knock down a pitch in the dirt, or how to catch pop ups, or how to change signs with a runner on 2B, I wonder if he ever will. As to his ABs, the SO/BB ratio is startling. But he does look like a hitter who can improve. Maybe a DH?

    • djloo27 said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:14 pm

      They’ll probably glue him to Buster next year…

  30. snarkk said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:15 pm

    Speaking of defense, Ruf’s is Rough…

  31. xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:19 pm

    god dammit

    • xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:21 pm

      and yet again

  32. Flavor said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:21 pm

    Can you imagine making the postseason and then in front of a national TV audience producing this type of performance?

    • djloo27 said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:25 pm

      This performance screams for Grave Duggar!

  33. snarkk said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:21 pm

    Coonrod is starting to suffer results like Musclehead used to get.
    Dubon and Ruf with more defensive turds, Ruf with his second of the inning.
    Giants just wilt when playing a top team; the talent disparity become glaring…

  34. snarkk said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:33 pm

    Cue Kat on the absence of Jaylin Davis. I think he makes at least 2, if not all of those 3 catches that Ruf and Dubon muffed. You just can’t play that kind of D and win a game.
    I went back and looked at that Solano baserunning mistake at third, early on. I don’t get it. Why he went so far past 3rd on a grounder play to first is beyone me. It looked like Wotus was down the line with a stop sign, so I think Wotus was not the culprit, or the main one anyway. Major leaguer can’t make that mistake to kill a bases loaded situation…

    • Flavor said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:41 pm

      Not scoring a run in two games is also a deterrent to winning

      • snarkk said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:59 pm

        The A’s staff ain’t the Mariners…

  35. Macdog said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:37 pm

    Two runs in five games vs. the Pads and A’s. Man, these guys can’t do squat against good pitching.

    • Flavor said, on September 19, 2020 at 4:00 pm

      I mean, but why is that? They go from being a very good hitting team to doing literally nothing? That’s too extreme of a shift to believe

      • Macdog said, on September 19, 2020 at 4:55 pm

        Don’t know, it’s puzzling. Do they miss Yaz that much?

  36. djloo27 said, on September 19, 2020 at 3:46 pm

    They have a chance to lose in straight sets tomorrow…

  37. alleykat69 said, on September 19, 2020 at 4:08 pm

    Yeah that’s funny Loo!
    6-0 6-0 sets a chance for the trifecta!
    It would be like watching Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder playing tennis.
    The ultimate definition of endless love!

  38. unca_chuck said, on September 19, 2020 at 4:40 pm

    Seattle has a dogshit pitching staff I suppose, Flav. Glad I missed this one. EVERYONE was screaming for Bart to come up. Now he shouldn’t be here? I can’t see how playing scrub games does anything for his development.

    The biggest issue with Bart besides COVID is the 2 broken fingers these past 2 seasons he suffered to slow his development. He really hasn’t faced a lot of tough pitching long-term, so he’s gonna be behind the 8 ball developing his eye, then his power.

  39. xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 5:07 pm

    I think Posey played about 200 games in the minors and fall leagues before his final call up in 2010, including that month and a half at the beginning of 2010 when we all wanted him on the team out of ST. Bart despite his broken bone problems played some 140 games there (not counting any of the alternate site shit this year).

    They were both catchers in HS and college. Buster won the golden spikes award; Joey got nominated for it.

    Buster played like a talented catcher the moment he started for the Giants; Joey hasn’t, yet.

    Joey’s SO/BB ratio is 30/2 right now.

    This is a relevant comparison of two Giants first round picks. Sabean was still in charge in 2008. Evans probably fucked up in 2018.

    All will be forgiven, however, if Joey hits one into McCovey Cove.

    • Bozo said, on September 19, 2020 at 6:34 pm

      Not to nitpick on ya Xoot, but Posey was a shortstop until his second year in college, Also, there was speculation that teams were stealing signs off of him when he first took over for Bengie. But, from many accounts, he was a quick learner and worked really hard with the pitchers to come up with solid game plans.
      I agree that blocking balls with the chest protector and keeping the ball in front of you is pretty basic stuff for catchers. I had drills in HS where we didn’t get to have our glove on while balls were bounced at us off the plate.

      Zum, I haven’t read where the coaches or leadership have been training Bart to catch from one knee, but if so, that type of on the job training could affect both his hitting and defense,
      If they could have kept him in Sacto this year, he would have had one-on-one training with Whiteside and Decker (or whoever else they have coaching there) for defensive changes/improvements and he wouldn’t have had the pressure to hit in games that count.

      Lastly, Loo is right. Next year Bart will be glued to Posey. But if healthy, I’d see Posey getting most of the starts and you never know, management could still be thinking of switching Bart’s position.

      • xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 6:45 pm

        yeah, Buster wasn’t perfect . . . that ROY season. Come on.

        And he was both primary catcher and closer for FSU toward the end. He is a superior baseball player. Selecting him toward the end of the top ten picks in the 2008 draft was brilliant. Now, compare:

  40. mrsprtdude said, on September 19, 2020 at 5:49 pm

    Wanted to come on and vent but no reason. I hope we make it in the 8th spot nd give the Dodgers the boot. But i have no real expectation of winning anything. Defense, pitching, baseruning win games. The difference in baserunning and defense between us and the Giants is astounding. Ruf had a long run but Dubon is a mess. I am 55 and haven’t played baseball in 38 years and I think I woundn’t have taken a worse route to the ball, and would not have jumped in the air for no reason. He did the same thing in a game a few days ago but caught it. Augh.

  41. mrsprtdude said, on September 19, 2020 at 5:49 pm

    opps us and the A’s is astounding:)

  42. xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 5:57 pm

    Pirates just pulled their SP after six while he was no hitting the Cards.

  43. djloo27 said, on September 19, 2020 at 6:47 pm

    If it means anything to you Niner bettors, the weather here tomorrow is supposed to be perfect,
    Sunny – mid 60’s – light winds – blah blah blah…

    • Flavor said, on September 19, 2020 at 7:26 pm

      I’m playing a lot of DFS teams tomorrow and I think I’ve got like 3 players sprinkled on just a few teams. I did do one decent sized 3 team parlay, Pitt-7, KC -8.5 and NO -5.5. I’ve been hitting 3 team parlays lately let’s see what happens with that one

  44. djloo27 said, on September 19, 2020 at 6:50 pm

    You would think a professional broadcaster could pronounce “asterisk” and would know that “laxadaisical” is not a word…

    • xoot said, on September 19, 2020 at 7:10 pm

      axed my baby for a nickel always pissed off somebody I suppose

  45. willedav said, on September 19, 2020 at 9:39 pm

    sportsdude may be right=btw covid and injuries, maybe missing out on playoffs to avoid getting embarrassed and run out of Dodge by better teams isn’t a bad thing. If they invited AZ Texas Angels and Mariners, OK. Otherwise, sit this one out and regroup in ST next spring.


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