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The Streak Is Broken! (Sort of….)

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on October 28, 2020

I really don’t have a problem with LA celebrating that little guy. It has been 32 years, any fish they reel in and land on the boat should count. So in my book they did finally win another World Series.

It’s easy to revile Cash for his bonehead move. And if I owned the team I would probably be firing him today. But Cash didn’t really lose that game for them. That fucking team man, besides Arozy, can’t hit FOR SHIT lol. I watched in almost hypnotic amazement as their parade of hitters struck out over and over and over. And not just last night, they did it all post season.

Can’t win if you can’t hit.

The Dodgers have a chance to win a legitimate World Series next year, just as we do. I, for one, am thankful for this season. I can’t believe MLB pulled it off under these conditions.

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  1. djloo27 said, on October 28, 2020 at 7:50 am

    Any loyal fan whose had decades of disappointment deserves to see one.
    We got 3 and I still don’t know how.
    Good for that silly Roooster. He put in his time.
    Happy for Kershaw and Scully, too.
    Wouldn’t have felt this way pre-2010…

  2. willedav said, on October 28, 2020 at 8:19 am

    As others have noted, they are the best team out there, for position players, pitchers, bombs, whatever. They beat Pads and the Braves and dispatched Rays. Post season Opie broke the mold. And unfortunately they are set up very well for 2021 and beyond.

    Yes many enjoyable moments watching baseball in a dreary year, including some memorable ones from Giants.

  3. willedav said, on October 28, 2020 at 8:30 am

    Gotta admit thought, the 3 outcome baseball of today is harder to watch. In the era of juiced ball and hitters at the plate with layers of armor I’d like to see game turned back in other direction more toward pitchers.

    Set a standard for K zone, say letters to knees, and umpire it correctly; if it takes robo umps then do it. Maybe then pitchers at all levels can be encouraged to throw strikes and get hitters out via contact and work quickly to keep defense on toes and in the game. And pls stop juicing the baseball, it hasn’t helped.

    • djloo27 said, on October 28, 2020 at 8:40 am

      All the home runs and strikeouts might have something to do with the tremendous deterioration of base running skills. Lack of in-game experience…

    • Carstie Clausen said, on October 28, 2020 at 8:57 am

      All good points.

  4. willedav said, on October 28, 2020 at 8:46 am

    A Rays W yesterday would have made for even more excitement, obviously. but wow what an awful performance from every hitter not named Arozarena. Vs. the shaky Gonsolin they got 3 hits and 2 BBs, 5 baserunners out of the 10 batters he faced, but only the one run 2 batters into the game.

    Vs. everyone else in 24 PAs–2 hits 12 Ks 0 BBs in 7 and a third. This off the likes of Floro Baez Wood Gonzalez Graterol and Urias. Too bad, other than Seager Aroz was best hitter out there.

  5. alleykat69 said, on October 28, 2020 at 8:48 am

    Yeah give them a phony trophy 🏆 it’s not legit in a covid season.Snell was downright pissed off saying I know I had plenty left, I know I had perfect rhythm out there,I was shocked to come out.

    Speaking of shocked 😳 The Jason Turner POSITIVE COVID TEST TWICE situation is a major stupidity for the Dodgers and especially MLB which will have plenty of answers to deal with!
    Not only should he never have started the game( 1st positive test), then awkwardly pulled in the 8th inning tested again ( confirmed positive #2) then he comes out for the celebration picture takes his mask off, kisses his wife and hugging all his teammates.Lets see how many Dodger players get the Covid now.And MLB’s handling of this was disgraceful..

  6. Macdog said, on October 28, 2020 at 8:59 am

    Best headline I’ve seen so far: Dodgers Cash In.

    • alleykat69 said, on October 28, 2020 at 10:00 am

      Yeah like Loo said the true MVP winner was Cash!!

      He had the balls to say “I would do it again we’ve done it this way all year yada yada”
      Who knows maybe it’s the corporate mucky mucks upstairs pulling the strings? After all they make 10 mil a season compared to Cash 1-2 mil.. Really it’s getting where a manager is not needed the decisions are coming upstairs..

  7. Carstie Clausen said, on October 28, 2020 at 9:03 am

    Now that the Googenheimers finally have their asterisk trophy (many thanks to the Bosox ownership for ceding Mookie) we can put all that behind us, be thankful there was somewhat of a season and get on with our “business” of talking (and thinking) Giants baseball.

    With so many organizations figuratively running on fumes due to major drop in revenue, there will be a lot of talent out there floating around. With a comparatively small dedicated payroll, the Z & H guys are poised to make some moves. So this off-season could be a lot more exciting (and possibly productive) than the last go-round,

  8. James said, on October 28, 2020 at 9:59 am

    The only teams I hate are the ones who unjustifiably happen to be beating the Giants on any given day. LA will never again have a player as despicable as Cey.

    I wonder if there’s been notice of Robert’s “Look, I’m using my baseball instincts!” deployment of Urias as a counter to the analytics has fucked the game take that I saw in the one story I read from my phone’s newsfeed this morning.

  9. James said, on October 28, 2020 at 10:24 am

    WillieD, I’m not sure the Roboumps will help the pitchers. The majority of technically incorrect calls go against the hitter.

    The increased pitching velocities seem to be cementing in the style of baseball we’re seeing. Lower the mound? Dunno if that would force a return to a focus on making contact. Like Snell last night, pitchers have always relied on getting hitters to chase. There is a logical inevitability to all of this that’s been implicit since data analysis started to codify what (in general) works and what doesn’t.

  10. willedav said, on October 28, 2020 at 10:42 am

    James, that’s a good point but I think the K zone has been reduced over the years–lowered to from high of waist to somewhat below knee with fewer high strikes being called. Counter to the launch angle style of hitting is to elevate the pitch thrown; if pitchers know that can be called a strike then maybe they can be better trained to throw it, successfully.
    According to Mr. Law, umps do come in with inherent biases, which a robo ump would eliminate. Any flaws and most in trials seem to be on width, should be corrected easily enough.

    • James said, on October 28, 2020 at 10:58 am

      Right, but I think the umps have been calling a lot more of the high strikes (and increasingly calling ones above the zone strikes), and it’s one of the reasons, combined with higher velocities, that we see so many Ks. Increased accuracy will play into the hands of hitters who can let those pitches go by, knowing that the pitches will just as often be an an inch or two above the zone as they are in the zone. The ones a couple inches too low get crushed every few swings. The current inside/outside bias definitely helps the pitchers.

  11. djloo27 said, on October 28, 2020 at 11:07 am

    For 150 years, pitchers tried to get hitters to chase off the plate – usually outside.
    Suddenly, a few years ago it changed to everything in the dirt – turning catchers into goalies.

    • James said, on October 28, 2020 at 11:10 am

      Emphasis on change ups, splitters, combined with traditional breaking pitch below the zone?

  12. unca_chuck said, on October 28, 2020 at 12:03 pm

    The splitter is likely the cause as it is the most recent pitch that has come about. It isn’t as popular as it was in the 80s but a lot of guys still throw it.

  13. gianthead said, on October 28, 2020 at 12:24 pm

    After fuckhead pulled a past Cy Young winner in a game he could have possibly gone the distance, I wasnt paying close attention and missed the whole Josh Turner covid thing. How did he test positive while in a “bubble” during the series???

  14. gianthead said, on October 28, 2020 at 12:37 pm

    I am in the camp (and it may just be me) of moving the mound back maybe a half foot and not lowering it but raising it. I want more balls in play and make swinging for the fences with the the modern uppercut swing dominating the home run or strike out standard which IMO is going to kill the game. A higher mound brings the pitch trajectory more downward and disallowing as many softball player swings in the game. Moving the mound back will offset the pitcher advantage of a higher mound.

    I think the difference in distance from mound to plate lowers the velocity allowing more solid swings to go with the more downward trajectory to allow more balls in play. Robo ump is a must and there has to be something done about the shift. No more than two players to the left or right of second base (directly behind the bag is fine) and infielder has to keep one foot at least on the infield dirt…

    • djloo27 said, on October 28, 2020 at 12:57 pm

      Baseball doesn’t care about what guys our age think.
      Can you blame them?

  15. Flavor said, on October 28, 2020 at 1:03 pm

    6 month suspension long enough? Starting Game 1 of next season.

    • xoot said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:13 pm

      One full season

      • xoot said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:21 pm

        Jan 1 to Dec 31, No access to mlb facilities or staff or trainers.

  16. zumiee said, on October 28, 2020 at 1:08 pm

    As Kat said, the whole Turner situation yesterday was handled atrociously. And when he celebrated with his teammates after the game, without a mask, it just makes you shake your head. He should have already been on his way to the hotel to quarantine.
    There are doctors and nurses working incredibly hard, in dangerous conditions, to help Covid-19 patients. There’s such a disconnect with a certain amount of people in this nation.

    • zumiee said, on October 28, 2020 at 1:09 pm

      Oh, I just saw what BF posted above.

  17. zumiee said, on October 28, 2020 at 1:11 pm

    Yes, what’s the appropriate suspension for Turner, given that he just may have killed some people in the next month or two? The ballplayers have parents and grandparents.

    • zumiee said, on October 28, 2020 at 1:12 pm

      Turner decided to create his own super-spreader event.

    • unca_chuck said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:07 pm

      this post was political in nature and removed by BIG FLAVOR

  18. James said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:07 pm

    “How did he test positive while in a “bubble” during the series???” The answer might lie in his conduct after he did test positive.

    • xoot said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:17 pm

      You think Turner probably contracted Covid becz he disregarded bubble protocol when he thought it might be safe to do so just becz he arrogantly disregarded the protocol when he and everyone else in the world knew it wasn’t safe? That’s a helluva leap in logic.

      • James said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:38 pm

        That beard isn’t a symbol of his allegiance to the values of the hippie elite.

      • xoot said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:39 pm

      • zumiee said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:44 pm

        “I quarantined for two innings.”
        Very well done video!

  19. James said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:27 pm

    Of course, one obvious way to reduce the number of HRs and perhaps disincentivize them as a singular offensive strategy is to do exactly the opposite of what SF did to Oracle this year. One problem with that: getting the ball in the air is still going to make you more productive than hitting groundballs. That’s why banning the shift won’t change anything.

    • zumiee said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:39 pm

      Poor Kuiper. He played in an era when he was chewed out if he hit the ball in the air. He had to play little-ball his whole career, and ended up with just one HR his career, which probably astounds younger fans; but we older fans know what that era was like. Guys like Mark Belanger and Freddy Patek would hit one HR all season.

  20. Flavor said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:37 pm

  21. alleykat69 said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:42 pm

    I think Turner didn’t give a shit about anyone but himself.
    He’s a selfish asshole that defied MLB security protocols and pushed them aside to go party with his teammates and to make sure not to miss the team photo opp, and then defiantly takes his mask 😷 off and hugs most of his teammates to boot!
    When most of the world is doing their due diligence to quarantine themselves out of respect for others this clown 🤡 just added to the spread of the pandemic and showing no remorse about it!!
    It’s a black eye on baseball for this to happen and he should be suspended next season if MLB and especially the spineless Manfred act accordingly…

    • zumiee said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:45 pm

      Definitely expect Manfred to be spineless on this.

    • snarkk said, on October 28, 2020 at 2:47 pm

      Dodgers and MLB and Turner should be shunned.
      He tests positive the day before, and is allowed to play while a new test is pending result?
      When the Dick tested postive, they pulled his ass immediately.
      Then the second test confirms the positive, and he still is allowed to play some innings, then comes out? He should have been taken to the hotel quarantine immediately.
      Coming out after the game, and tossing the mask while engaging with tons of people at close contact, is reckless, selfish behavior. Exactly what is causing Covid to spike across the US right now. Shameful…

      • unca_chuck said, on October 28, 2020 at 3:58 pm

        Stupid is as stupid does. Baseball players on average are way below average in intelligence.

  22. Flavor said, on October 28, 2020 at 3:12 pm

    would be nice to be them

    • Macdog said, on October 28, 2020 at 6:13 pm

      The Giants had the same playing 15 postseason games in 2010.

  23. unca_chuck said, on October 28, 2020 at 4:00 pm

    Figured that one would get the axe, Flav. Still thought it was good tho.

  24. willedav said, on October 28, 2020 at 4:43 pm

    According to mlb. com site, of all playoff teams the Rays and Pads each had 18 acquired via trade.
    Rays had only 7 drafted, and 3 via FA.
    all kinds of different ways to build successful teams.
    As it turns out, best Giants this season, like Yaz Solano Flores and Gausman all brought in from outside.

    • Flavor said, on October 28, 2020 at 4:57 pm

      the key to success is to start with a successful hit on your core from drafting and then add other pieces (as all three of those teams did including LA)

      • willedav said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:07 pm

        OK not arguing first part of what you say there, but let’s be real—3 of those “other pieces” for LA they added in are Turner Muncy and Betts, major keys to their offense plus Pollock.
        For the Rays as we all know Arozarena came from STL for a pitcher.
        Padres? Nola Castro Hosmer Pham Machado plus Poms Davies and Rosenthal.
        Making good trades and finding quality from other teams pretty important part of building a winner.

      • Flavor said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:10 pm

        i know I guess my point wasn’t clear. Until you have a legit young core that you can count on making the move for those vets is pointless and a waste of money. The Giants do not have that core right now. Their best players were our old core and or guys they picked up off the scrap heap. If the Giants want to get real and compete and be a legit team like LA, TB or SD they need to solidify a legit core of young talent and then build out from there……..

      • willedav said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:11 pm

        Forgot Cronenworth Grisham and Tatis Jr. of Padres. Almost their entire starting lineup of hitters came from somewhere else and they made some really good trades that have so far worked out well.

      • Flavor said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:16 pm

        yes they got those 3 young studs via trades but they were ADDING and CREATING that young core of studs. Whether you draft them, sign them internationally or hoodwink other teams the way the Padres did for TATIS and GRISHAM you are building a young core to then build out from with free agent signings. To be honest, there may have been a lot of luck involved for the Padres with all of that, too

  25. zumiee said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:07 pm

    Well, the Giants do have a guy, Zaidi, who helped build that Dodger team. So that’s something.
    And I guess that’s the end of the narrative that Zaidi doesn’t know how to build a championship team. (I’m not saying it was a big narrative, but it was out there on social media.)

  26. djloo27 said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:16 pm

    Manfred literally looked like he was gonna cry when they booed him during the trophy presentation.
    Except for maybe Silver, all the commissioners are despised…

    • Flavor said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:16 pm

      he’s such a bitch.

      • djloo27 said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:24 pm

        I know you’re not a hockey guy, Flavor, but you should get a load of Bettman.
        I wouldn’t be surprised if his own mother hates him…

  27. Flavor said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:19 pm

    WillieD, I guess my question is, who do the Giants have that can be seen as a young core of studs like the Pads put together? Shit none of our young guys come close to being a superstar like Tatis. And I’d argue none of them are in the category of Grisham or Cronenworth either. Joey Bart? 0 bombs still slayed me. Dubon? Come on, what are even talking about the Giants young core isn’t in the same stratosphere as LA, SD or TB

    • unca_chuck said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:24 pm

      Bishop, Heliot, Luciano, and uh, Bart are the next wave of hopefuls. Who knows about Hjelle and Canario.

      • Flavor said, on October 28, 2020 at 6:37 pm

        sure, maybe. Right now those guys are just names you’re listing off.

      • unca_chuck said, on October 28, 2020 at 6:41 pm

        Well, they all are. I think Buster was about the only guy we have drafted, well TImmy a little as well, who I thought was a can’t-miss prospect.

  28. unca_chuck said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:19 pm
  29. willedav said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:26 pm

    The idea that the Giants will someday have a legit young core to build from is quite a ways off, imo.
    They won’t have any SPs other than Webb and Beede from within the system for at least couple more years.
    Position players? Same thing, the best prospects haven’t even played A ball yet except for Bart and Ramos.
    We saw what happened to Bart this season; Ramos spent it all in Sac. IF Giants are lucky they could both be productive ML players in 2-3 years.
    The others are even farther away.

    In order for Giants to remain at all relevant, what I am saying is they are going to have to find replacements for what is sorely lacking of their homegrown players from outside the organization, something so far Z has been quite good at. That’s how he has put together the entire OF so far.

    Harder thing to solve, he is going to have to replace the entire IF.

  30. djloo27 said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:33 pm

    I don’t have a great feeling about Bart.
    Something about him just seems a little askew…

    • djloo27 said, on October 28, 2020 at 5:35 pm

      Him too…

      • zumiee said, on October 28, 2020 at 6:59 pm

        Who’s that? I thought George Jones for a moment.

  31. mrsprtdude said, on October 28, 2020 at 6:03 pm

    My daughter started her nursing career in Az in a critical care unit. Got hired after passing her boards. A week before her 1st day they switched her unit to a covid floor because of the surge in cases. Fuck you Turner!

    • unca_chuck said, on October 28, 2020 at 6:40 pm

      Turner: Yay! We won! Great job, Dave!

      Roberts: I don’t feel so hot.

      Turner: Sorry I killed you coach! But you got your ring!

  32. Winder said, on October 28, 2020 at 7:15 pm

    I think the Giants need to focus on pitching more than anything else. Some teams just keep coming up with good pitching prospects and the dodgers are one of them. Cleveland, the Rays are a couple more that just keep finding good prospects. Somewhere along the way it has to be on the scouting departments. This whole business is a what have you done for me lately and if our scouting department can’t come up with some hits after awhile it’s time to cut bait and get someone who can. You can build on good pitching a lot easier than relying on a couple of star hitters.

    • Flavor said, on October 28, 2020 at 7:24 pm

      agreed. This is a plan that will take years tho, from right now, since we don’t have even the beginning of a pitching base right now

      • Winder said, on October 28, 2020 at 8:07 pm

        Yeah, It will take some time. At least 3 years.

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