Gausman Lotto Hit
Gausman at 19mil for a year? Yikes. Of course he isn’t worth that. But in order to stay somewhat competitive we need him. When your farm system keeps giving you mound lemons you are forced into having to overpay for serviceable vet arms. He isn’t going to get us back to the post season but he will help make the team watchable in 2021.
Now let Z continue his dumpster swoons and maybe he finds another Yaz or Dick in there…..
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Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Rolling through the Johnnie Walker pitching brigade day after day after day would be interminable. If Cueto can get healthy we should have some good days. Wonder what Slymy does. With 3 decent starters we may be interesting for a while.
Gausman’s acceptance means it will likely be subsumed into a longer contract. My wild-assed guess is three years at $11M per–totaling $33M for his ongoing services. If this is the case I hope he can stay focussed and become a reliable #2 in ’22.
Who’s our #1 in ’22?
Gausman….
Say Cueto goes 18-10 next season. They’d buy his option in a nano-second. The hitting was a welcome surprise. Cobble together a few pen pieces, a couple utility IFers, get Slymy and we could hover around the 14th playoff spot.
(I forget how many there actually are0
18 wins???
If he’s having that great a year, I’d try to get a haul at the deadline…
Yeah, maybe. Easy to be optimistic now. All about the hitting though. If they are winning with another cobbled together lineup who’s to say they won’t go for the expanded playoffs?
Yeah no way he gets 18 wins…primarily because he wont be pitching past 4-5 innings in most starts…
The way he’s been giving up the long ball we would have to score a boat load of runs. I would trade him for a decent prospect.
Stix should be right here—3 yrs maybe $40 mil. He likes it here, pitched well, and looks forward to season with Posey. Giants have lot of $$ coming off books soon–money is least of their worries.
As for $$, saw story on NYT taken from the late John Thompson’s autobio due out soon where he says he has changed his mind and that college athletes should be paid. Very unclear on how it would work but says basically it’s being done all over (athletes hardly innocent ones either) and those not doing it facing unfair competition.
From end of last thread, Renie Martin has career slash line of .301/.301/410 for .711 OPS in 83 ABs.
25 hits 83 ABs, no bombs but 3 doubles 3 triples (!). Hold some kind of record I saw mentioned on fangraphs, maybe for that BA.
Nobody’s fooled by that 300 batting average anymore. If only he’d had a little more patience at the plate … 😉
This guy shoulda caught on as a DH somewhere…
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/owingmi01.shtml
Nobody likes Tanaka?
I think he can be had for 2/30.
Funny how the Giants paved the way a lifetime ago with Murakami and no one but the awful Yabu since that I can think of…
Sure Tanaka would be great here–good D behind him and have to be a relief not to pitch in such hitter friendly yard, or others in that division.
Just don’t think Z/H roll that way (spending more $$$$ on top flight pitching) this off season. They’re shopping for bulk at Dollar store.
Didn’t Yabu get the call from the pen with the bases loaded and induce a triple play on his first pitch?
Nice recall, Xoot…
https://www.mercurynews.com/2008/05/30/triple-play-then-a-loss-for-giants/
Mr. Wristbands Shinjo?
I’m just talkin’ pitchers, Chuck.
Why can’t we get a good Asian hurler on the squad?
The bullpen’s been a revolving door for fat Dominicans…
Every time I watched Renie Martin pitch at the Stick I cringed, he always go hit hard.He was however a really great hitter on some shitty Giants team and was used as a PH some times which tells u how lousy are hitters were.Think his nickname was Cognac for obvious reasons, a small sifter of Remy XO at a time is all u needed..
I’d take Tanaka for 2/30 just because we now have Gausman, there’s definitely a foundation there (with him) to have a semi-legit pitching staff. He’s not what he once was but I bet pitching at Oracle would boost him a bit. He’s a post season stud too, I think.
someone like Smyly is more of a bullpen guy to me. In fact, the way the game is going I think I’d rather have 3 Smyly’s coming out of the pen than one Tanaka
harder to find 3 of them to be effective for multiple innings imo One solid SP for 200 innings and 30+ starts cuts down need for them too. Too many Kontos types in pen right now.
I can see where having more normal like ST next season could benefit vets used to preseason routine. Maybe Cueto has another decent season left in him, and as Loo said would get flipped elsewhere.
Yeah 200 inning guys and 30 starts are getting instinct. Though when Sabean brought in Shark it was his thinking and it did work out till his injuries to get those 200 innings and save the bullpen some wear and tear which he did going back to his Whitesox’s day he gave a team 200 plus every year good are bad so I give him credit for his durability atleast..
Re pic from yday of the Stick….for those of you like Loo who never made it. If you sat in the shade in a day game in July your arse would have been bone-chilled. And I am not overstating that…
Yeah but when women who were sitting in the sunny lower boxes hit the shade, it was nip city big time.
Who here would prefer Gausman here at 3 years and $36 versus one year of $18.9? When the season ended I had thrown out 3 years at $30 as a fair price. Considering he is now the #2 free agent arm that had been still out there until his QO, his value is clearly over that $30 mill 3 year threshold and he must have had offers over that. Maybe we just take the one year and move on in happiness…
yeah if he shits the bed then no harm, no foul. The more contracts that come off the books the better.
I might consider a flier on Julio Teheran .I know he stunk for the Angels last year in 35 innings but then he might have falling behind due to his Positive Covid test early on.I believe he made 9 mil last year but might take less on a make good bounce back year.He’s an innings eater as well averaging 174 IP for the Braves throughout his time there.Plus he only turns 31 in Jan so that’s still good. I’ve always thought of him as a solid pitcher who could do well at Oracle. Just a thought..
I could see it…$5-$7 mill…
Sad when you gotta spend 10 mil on dead weight. i don’t think we are gonna be a much over .500 team this coming year. If we are gonna invest I think we should do it with players that can grow with the system. I think we should put as much money into our minor league system (pitching coaches, scouts etc) as we can. i know some in the know ranked up the 10th best minor system in the league but why not try to be in the top 3. In 3/4 years we will be regular contenders.
He’s getting 19 mil for one year, I would doubt he would sign off on 36 million for 3. Probably would take at least 40 to get him for 3.
I’m fine with just leaving it as is. He’s got a great arm and pitched pretty well for us, but the track record ain’t great.
I’m getting myself very wound up about Tanaka.
Like can we fuckin’ do something newsworthy?
Looking thx for finding full story on that Yabu game. Some great names in ther— Fred Lewis Bowker Jose Castillo my Cousin Vinny… classic Giants.
Loo!
ah, it was only first and second, not loaded. The chinless wonder Castillo started the turn! His and Yabu’s finest moments as Giants?
Hah!!! Got some cousins who are Sox fans. Christmas is coming!
That’s funny.
More I think about it, the more I like the idea of a BP-BP: Bullet-Proof Bullpen. It would take two key signings–one of the top two or three available arms and one who’s a steady-Eddy. Total should be around $15M for the two. Most of the pieces are already here to fill out the rest of the pen. If Moronta is what they think he is, we could be looking at three very reliable guys and maybe another three mostly reliable and one guy who is still learning the ropes and might find his magic in the course of a season, With maybe 3 or 4 possibilities looming in Sac-town and Richmond; the bullies would not wear down overly fast.
Let’s say there are three mostly reliable starters and the other two able to go five without giving up more than 3-4 runs most games. Add an offense that does not fall off badly from this last season’s performance, a slight improvement in defense along with a lock-down pen and the team could be respectable and have a decent chance at achieving the post-season and maybe even advancing one rung. That would make the ’22 team , with money off the books and good rooks arriving, a very attractive destination for one or two quality starters.
Stix, I predict you’ll become less cautious, more bullish about the near future this winter as you gaze upon the chimes of freedom flashing.
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Dang, Cal’s game vs ASU was cancelled as Coach Herm Edwards, players and staff tested positive. 2 in a row for Bears who haven’t played yet, and previously had their own Covid related issues.
Damn! My boy Flemming had the call on that game too.
You don’t hear women playing the harp very often. That’s good, all around. Thanks.
I like it too just found it on you tube.
Hope rest of local sports teams can get up and rolling. Stanford football (no fans) supposed to host first game tomorrow, and basketball to start in couple weeks. Their first scheduled game is vs. smaller college team coached by M Madsen; Stanford men supposed to be good this year, and women are near top of rankings. Both have very highly rated incoming recruits. One of men’s players was ESPN #2 rated small forward, #7 overall.
Warriors are to play in 6 weeks and draft soon. read story where Lacob is trying to set up rapid results testing outside new Arena, and admit up to 9000 fans in to watch games. Since SF is its own county, wonder if this would meet approval from health officials, and the state govt.
Solid article by Brisbee on the Athletic suggesting the Giants consider a flyer on one or more of these should-be bargain pitchers:
Foltynewicz
Brad Peacock
Jimmy Nelson
Collin McHugh
What’s the reason again that the Giants should only go after bargains?
Cause they’re cheap until they get rid of all of Sabes/Evans colossal screwup past signings.Z is sticking to building up this team thru farm system players. But hopefully they will open up the purse strings more after next year when everybody but Longo’s contract goes away are options they won’t pickup..
Folty has the highest profile and was productive for awhile. He’s worth a MiL contract. Don’t know enough about the other three to make a suitable comment. Unless the former Braves standby has a significant physical issue he may be redeemable, perhaps more so anyway than the ancient Green Stamps gathering whatever in my old counter junk-drawer.
Cal is going to play, Sunday 9 AM at UCLA. Both the opponents of each team had Covid issues that cancelled regularly scheduled games so this one will work out. Maybe Flemming gets that one, SD.
Paul Hornung died at 84…
Anyone know why GGF canceled racing today and all weekend?
Might be weather Loo. Watching TV now so see if I hear anything.
Covid. @GGF Twitter announcement details Covid issue going back to Out 30.
Loo…I’ve heard they have positive covid tests throughout the staples area and have cancelled all races throughout the weekend..
Thanks, fellas.
My doc thinks it’s gonna get real ugly here again…
Just caught Rispoli on the turf thanks to Big Flavor’s advice!
Nice! Overlay.
I gotta disagree about the contracts of the Brandons, Buster and Longo holding the Giants back from signing any big $ FAs. Seriously, if that $71 mil and change is causing roster concerns with Zaidi or the owners we are in deep shit and the Giants might as well change their colors to green and yellow.
LOL
If they really want to get serious they’re 2 A’s players that are F/A that would fit in real nice with the Giants, Marcus Seimen at SS and Liam Hendrix as the closer who’s also versatile enough to be an opener.So show the Flap you want to be more competitive Zman instead of dumpster diving..
There are the $$$ constraints ownership may or may not be placing, and then there’s what we imagine them to be. Why is anyone against signing, e.g., Bauer? Is it because we understand the real behind the scenes fiscal limits being set based on past organizational behavior, or because speculating over free agent/trade possibilities unbounded by a cap on spending spoils the fun of playing GM? Granted, a fucked up big dollar signing can be harder to jettison, but the Dodgers were barely slowed by those deals they were “suckered” into just a few years back.
the best way to understand it is to look at past history. The Giants have been standard in their response to signing someone big–they do shit after that in the short and long term (in terms of $$$). Look it up.