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Two Word Review: Shit Sandwich

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 8, 2020

Just an all out disgusting putrid egg laid by the 49ers last night. It was like they were intentionally refusing to use Deebo. Where were the jet sweeps? Mostert had NINE carries? And the lack of a pash rush was stunning. Was that poor game planning or incompetence?

I suppose the disrupted schedule may had played into this a little…..

Props if you appreciate the title of today’s thread and know where it came from.

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  1. willedav said, on December 8, 2020 at 7:16 am

    All the offense Mullens is capable of isn’t going to matter if you allow Bills to march up and down the field at will.
    I for one will celebrate when some team gets the bright idea to make Saleh a head coach.
    Sure he doesn’t have same guys he had last season, but you have to game plan for who you have and what you want to do–and no you can’t play J Goff every week. When Griese is suggesting you might want to bring some pressure you gotta wonder if it ever crossed Saleh’s mind after a few quarters that his front 4 weren’t bothering Allen even the least little bit.

  2. chipower9 said, on December 8, 2020 at 7:17 am

    Not trying to make excuses, but I have heard that Mostert is still not 100%, so that may be why he had limited carries. And I had the same questions about Deebo. He was seriously under-utilized, IMO. I don’t recall ONE jet sweep.

    But agree, the Niners looked pathetic on both sides of the ball. IMO they waited too late in the game to begin mixing in blitzes, and even on some occasions when we blitzed, the Bills picked it up.

    And to take nothing away from Buffalo. They have done a nice job of building a team with multiple weapons around Allen, and he has really improved as a passer/decision maker. The Bills just ate our lunch in every aspect of the game. Saleh had no answers: Bills had 31 first downs, 449 yards of offense, held the ball for 10 minutes longer than the Niners.

    I am pulling hard for the Bills to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl. They remind me of the Niners in many ways with how they play the game.

    I would love to see these two teams match-up, with both at full strength. I think it would be a different ballgame.

    • Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 7:22 am

      any pro qb in the league will dominate if he’s not pressured. Look what average-ass Baker Mayfield did vs Tenn. They put no pressure on him and he had his best game as a pro. We gave Allen the same treatment. Pathetic.

      • chipower9 said, on December 8, 2020 at 9:38 am

        Agree, but Allen is no “average pro QB.” He is one of the best young QBs in the NFL. My point is the Niner D did not adjust to get any pressure on him…

      • Irish Kevin said, on December 8, 2020 at 2:53 pm

        I will take that one step more, look what Alex Smith did to Pittsburg

  3. Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 7:21 am

    • djloo27 said, on December 8, 2020 at 7:54 am

      Well, I guess she must be excited…

  4. willedav said, on December 8, 2020 at 7:23 am

    They were lucky enough to stop Allen at their own 2 yrd line first time after a long drive, but he didn’t screw up again. 200 yds passing in first half doesn’t tell you maybe it’s time to adjust?
    The NYGs sacked Wilson 5 times Sunday and held him to one TD–has one of Saleh’s teams ever done that? .

  5. djloo27 said, on December 8, 2020 at 8:01 am

    Shit sandwich is from the great movie, Full Metal Jacket.
    My favorite scene:

  6. willedav said, on December 8, 2020 at 8:30 am

    oh shoot. Dennis Ralston HOF tennis player, died at age 78 in Texas. I’ve waited on Mr. Ralston and family numerous times. They came in store where I worked for years and traveled extensively, especially to Costa Rica, and made many purchases. Man of few words but knew what he wanted.

  7. alleykat69 said, on December 8, 2020 at 8:35 am

    “You better get your ass and head wired together son”! 🤣🤣😂Like Loo said a great movie!
    Maybe Saleh could of used that line in his halftime speech instead of laying a shit sandwich!

    • djloo27 said, on December 8, 2020 at 9:05 am

      It’s still great advice, Kat…

  8. Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 8:37 am

    I am sorry Loo, valiant effort, but the answer we were looking for was this….

  9. Carstie Clausen said, on December 8, 2020 at 10:01 am

    Step number first for the Giants: One year contract to now former Twins RHP Matt Whisler at $1.15M. Arb year in ’22–so probable two years if he pans out. Not much to not like. Over 25- 1/3 IP, his ERA was a somewhat stingy 1 .07, with 35 K’s at a rate of 12.4/9IP. Bases on balls at 5/9 is somewhat worrisome, but his stranded runners were at an “unsustainable” 99% rate. He’s essentially a two-trick pony, with 83.4% of his pitches being sliders and the other 16.6% 4-seamers, just to keep them guessing.

    Hitters were frustrated facing Whisler with the batting-line being a BA of .148, OBP (including those free passes) of .250 and an SP of .222.

    This looks to be another case of the Z&H team of buying low for possible quality. My off the top take would be he’d start out as a 7th inning option, with steady success bringing him into a RH setup role. Giants are hot on the trail of Liam Hendricks for the closer role, MLBTR claims. Weeks ago, my take was they would need to get two RH relievers one for late innings and the bank-buster to close. Several quality starters are available, with Lance Lynn going off the boards just lately. Also need for the LH hitting utility-man.

    MLBTR also projects Whisler at a possible “opener” role, in case Kapler decides to give that a try. In any event, this signing signals a low-bid start and plenty room for maneuver as the Hot Stove League hits second gear.

    • chipower9 said, on December 8, 2020 at 10:28 am

      Good rundown, Stix. Thanks.

    • djloo27 said, on December 8, 2020 at 11:53 am

      The days of a strikeout per inning being amazing are long gone,
      I guess Whisler’s 4/3 ratio is pretty good by today’s standards…

  10. gianthead said, on December 8, 2020 at 11:00 am

    Our secondary is awful…swiss cheese…Mullens aint a starting nfl QB either.

    • chipower9 said, on December 8, 2020 at 1:28 pm

      The secondary would not have been as hard-pressed and showing those swiss cheese holes had the D put some pressure on Allen. You give a QB of his caliber that kind of time, he is going to eat-up even good secondaries, IMO. A lot of this loss hangs Saleh for not making the adjustments necessary to get some pressure on the QB.

  11. unca_chuck said, on December 8, 2020 at 11:09 am

    This is one huge thing that annoys me about Saleh and Shanahan. Their refusal to make in-game adjustments. Like the Miami game when they left Bruce Allen one-on one only to get roasted for 180 yards in a quarter and a half, they never rolled a safety to help. Over and over Fitzpatrick hit whoever lined up on the left side. By the time they pulled Allen with 3 minutes left i the quarter, the Niners were down big.

    Same with yesterday. We were playing the Bills to run early and they threw short passes EVERY first down as our underneath zone couldn’t stop it. They were getting 8 yards + on every 1st down play. We didn’t adjust all first half. Come the second half, we played the short passes by going man coverage and they ran on us effectively. Then torched our man coverage on play action.

    Yes we are down Williams, Taylor, and Moseley, but no adjusting. No blitzing till way too late. My issue for, oh, 40 seasons now, is if you can’t cover, you HAVE to blitz. Giving up a quick strike in the end is better than giving up 8 minute 15 play drives. You may get torched occasionally, but you will also maybe actually pressure the other guy into a bad throw.

    And Mullens just isn’t very good. It isn’t like he was under a ton pf pressure, and he just missed guys everywhere. Bad game plan as well. Shanny’s refusal to throw on 1st down is maddenining in its consistency.

    • Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 11:38 am

      yes to all of this.

    • willedav said, on December 8, 2020 at 12:38 pm

      Saleh has to know that minus Kittle and with Mullens as QB, his D has to hold other team down to 20 points ish or they are screwed. You cannot allow any other team to go up and down the field on you because Mullen isn’t going to win a shootout 40-35 game. First half when Allen had 236 yds should have been more than enough evidence his plans weren’t working. It’s on his D to shut the mofos down, or else.
      They didn’t pressure Allen in the pocket with 4 man rush and repeatedly let him roll to his right where he continued to torch them. Griese saw all this from his booth—what was Saleh looking at?

    • chipower9 said, on December 8, 2020 at 1:32 pm

      Agree. I hung a big part of this on Saleh for not making the adjustments you mention, but agree with the same on Shanny. They kept trying to run between the tackles and it wasn’t happening, but like some idiot continually banging his head on a brick wall, they continued to try and run between the tackles.

      Just a shit-show all the way around.

      But as I mentioned earlier, if you have the Niners full squad and fully healthy, it is a different game. I would like to see these teams go at it with both at full strength. Would be a fun game, IMO.

  12. djloo27 said, on December 8, 2020 at 11:57 am

    Anybody hear from Blade lately?

    • chipower9 said, on December 8, 2020 at 1:34 pm

      Yeah, Loo. He and I talk off and on. We talked last week. We were supposed to try and get together last weekend and go do some shooting. Last I talked to him he was good. I will tell him you asked about him.

      Hope all is good for you, brother. I asked Pawlie a few threads back, but never checked-back for an answer. Have you heard anything about Finnerty’s closing, permanently?

      • djloo27 said, on December 8, 2020 at 3:48 pm

        Ok,good Chi, thanks.
        Haven’t seen or heard anything 100% definite about Finnerty’s,
        but I do believe they’re done based on the first round of reports.
        Pawlie might have a connection there…

  13. wilcojoe said, on December 8, 2020 at 12:07 pm

    Not sure how I found my way back on here but alas here I am…Hope all the Flappers are doing well…Flav, since you’re now an “honorary Texas Longhorn fan” I thought you might be interested to know that Kyle Shannahan’s name has been thrown around as a possible replacement for Tom Herman on the Longhorn fan boards. Especially now that Urban Meyer has decided to stay at FOX. I don’t see it happening and I think the only reason he is being mentioned is that he played WR at Texas. Although “playing” is kind of a relative term. I vaguely have any recollection of him on the field.

    Anyway, I hope everyone is safe and staying Covid free.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on December 8, 2020 at 12:23 pm

      Welcome back WJ: Show up more regularly if you can. Hot-stove league is just starting to warm-up with the big confab for GMs, et al coming up soonest.

      • wilcojoe said, on December 8, 2020 at 12:52 pm

        Thanks Stix. I hope you are doing well.

    • willedav said, on December 8, 2020 at 12:27 pm

      you too. Man I enjoy watching K Mond of A&M. Think Texas QB Ehlinger can play pro ball?
      Have you seen horns b-ball? they look really good, Baylor too.

      • wilcojoe said, on December 8, 2020 at 12:55 pm

        I don’t think Ehlinger gets drafted. He is a great kid and tough as nails but he is basically a linebacker playing QB. He doesn’t have the arm strength or accuracy to make it in the NFL. He is a tough runner but is not athletic or quick. I could see him going into coaching when his playing days are over.

      • Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 1:48 pm

        exactly. Def NO to Ehlinger being an NFL prospect at QB

    • djloo27 said, on December 8, 2020 at 12:28 pm

      I was wondering about you, too, WJ.
      For some reason, I get you and Dirt confused.
      Great to see you back here.
      Is Dirt MIA?

      • willedav said, on December 8, 2020 at 12:53 pm

        He posted something very recently, aside from all the really old baseball pics.
        Lives near me too so I hope family is OK and maybe schools re-open soon.

    • chipower9 said, on December 8, 2020 at 1:39 pm

      Hey Wilco! Good to see you back, brother. I have been hit-and-miss here lately, too. All good at our casa. Hope all is well for you and yours.

    • Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 1:47 pm

      i don’t want to know about who might be coaching them. I just want to bask in the glory of everything we know for certain about our team. For instance, Little Ricky is fucking AWESOME……Dude, I bet me making you an author allowed you back in. Who knows why

  14. alleykat69 said, on December 8, 2020 at 12:34 pm

    Good to have you back Wilco..
    Yeah I am a huge Hookem Horns fan since my dad grew up in Texas , though he went to college at Texas Tech the Red Raiders there football teams usually stunk, so I followed the Longhorns all the way back when they ran the wishbone under Darryl Royal and battled Tom Osborne’s Nebraska Huskers for domination when they met every year in the southwest conference back then!

    I think Shanahan played with a QB named Major Applewhite ( how’s that for a QB’s name) just don’t remember if Kyle was any good 😌 as a WR?

    • wilcojoe said, on December 8, 2020 at 1:01 pm

      Yep, Shanny, Applewhite and myself were at UT at the same time. I just have little recollection of Shanny having much success on the field. I actually took an elective class with Major Applewhite. It was a public speaking class. The only class he attended was the final exam which was an oral presentation. Very well spoken. Ended up getting into coaching and was a co-offensive coordinator at both Texas and Alabama. He was offensive coordinator at Houston under Tom Herman.

    • chipower9 said, on December 8, 2020 at 1:42 pm

      They also battled Oklahoma back in the day. Actually, Oklahoma and Nebraska regularly were vying for the national title with the horns in the mix, too.

      • alleykat69 said, on December 8, 2020 at 2:07 pm

        Yeah those were the days Chi,
        Texas,Oklahoma &Nebraska were the cream of the crop along with Alabama,Ohio St,Penn St

        But for me it was those big 3 in the southwest and who better than calling those battles then the to me the best college announcer ever in Keith Jackson, he was born for the sport and especially in the southwest..

        His legendary lines like ..Whoa Nellie, are.. We’ve got a bar burner in Norman Oklahoma coming right up..
        Are Circle the wagons, and his fascination of the Longhorns Bull Bevo, he looks extra ornery today looking at the Sooner players..His smooth drawl was contagious in a good way, loved the man, called some epic Rose Bowl and Cotton Bowl games as well.

      • chipower9 said, on December 8, 2020 at 3:16 pm

        Agree…loved Keith Jackson calling college football.

  15. djloo27 said, on December 8, 2020 at 12:48 pm

    Any of you guys read this book?
    Created quite a stir way back…

    • wilcojoe said, on December 8, 2020 at 1:06 pm

      Very familiar with the book but have only read bits and pieces. I don’t think they read any excerpts at Coach Royal’s funeral. 😉

  16. unca_chuck said, on December 8, 2020 at 1:29 pm

    Fuck Curt Schilling. Alex Smith locked up the corner office on bloody socks. He got cleated in yesterday’s game.


  17. wilcojoe said, on December 8, 2020 at 1:53 pm

    I actually got queasy watching that. It was literally bubbling over with blood.

    • Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 2:07 pm

      i know it wasn’t his bad leg but for a dude who nearly died from an infection it was really tough to watch this.

  18. unca_chuck said, on December 8, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    Yeah, it was pretty crazy. I was hoping it wasn’t the bad leg and it wasn’t. Say what you will about Smith, but he’s a tough motherfucker. That show on ESPN about his surgeries and rehab is absolutely brutal. Dude is lucky to be alive and walking, let alone playing football.

  19. alleykat69 said, on December 8, 2020 at 2:18 pm

    17 operations on that right leg and close to being amputated ,yeah Alex Smith is one tough dude..
    A lock on comeback player of the year, though maybe when Drew Brees comes back with his 11 cracked ribs and a punctured lung 🫁 might get him honorable mention considerations..

    • djloo27 said, on December 8, 2020 at 2:56 pm

      Who needs a vaccine?
      The important thing is that the world has a punctured lung emoji…

  20. Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 2:54 pm

    man this looks like my kind of course! Looks like I could let the shaft out a little on my drives, lots of room to roam there

  21. Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 4:12 pm

  22. Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 4:43 pm

    Alex Smith will absolutely win the CBPY award and it is totally deserved. But if you watch him play, he’s not a good QB. And I was once an Alex defender. He can’t throw the ball down field, like, at all. He still just dumps everything off, can’t run anymore…..It’s a nice story but I would be so bummed if he was QBing the niners.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 8, 2020 at 5:34 pm

      Twin would crucify you for that post. He did hit a couple long passes on the TD to tie the game and the one-handed catch to kick the winning FG. Look, he’s what he is. He’s got nothing on Garoppolo anyway.

      We need a QB. Gonna have to be an under-the-radar guy.

      With this next game with the No-Skins was:

      a) Here
      b) With fans

      I could break out my old signed Alex Smith jersey.

      • Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 5:58 pm

        that td to tie the game was not long. It was 15 yards. Look, at this point he can’t throw deep at all.

  23. mrsprtdude said, on December 8, 2020 at 4:58 pm

    No need to rehash but yesterday was a shit sandwich for sure. Other teams must know SF doesn’t do adjustments and thus run the same plays again and again. Why change if we don’t SOO annoying.

    I don’t buy the health part. Its the fucking NFL. If you can carry it 9 times you can carry it 15-20. You are hurt of you are not. Samual looked pretty damn healthy last week!!!
    If I’m Mostert i’m bummed i signed with the Niners. Shanny must not think he is a full time back. Mahomes is a stud, but I will always blame Shanahan for the loss. If he used the same “run a lot” plan he used vs GB and Mostert doesn’t wait till mid way thought the 2nd quarter to touch the ball SF is the champs!

    • unca_chuck said, on December 8, 2020 at 10:49 pm

      Take any team’s starting qb, RB, both WRs, bot DEs, and both CBs and I think they’ll suck too.

  24. mrsprtdude said, on December 8, 2020 at 4:59 pm

    opps I meant super bowl loss…

  25. unca_chuck said, on December 8, 2020 at 5:37 pm

    If not for Kyle Williams and his fucking punt return woes, we woulda seen Young Sir Alex in a Super Bowl.

    He and Preston Riley are forever on my shit list.

  26. Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 5:56 pm

  27. Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 6:02 pm

    now, if you said “Smith or Mullens” I’d obviously choose Alex. But that isn’t saying much

    • unca_chuck said, on December 8, 2020 at 10:51 pm

      What good is Jimmy G if he can’t stay on the field? Sure I want him back, but even before he was hurt he wasn’t hitting deep passes.

  28. Flavor said, on December 8, 2020 at 6:09 pm

    btw if you go back and look at Chuck’s archives I was largely supportive of Smith and backed Twin’s on many of his rants against those who opposed him

    • willedav said, on December 8, 2020 at 7:54 pm

      He was fine under Norv Turner, all too briefly.
      The New York Giants messed him up though.
      KC didn’t turn out well either.

  29. unca_chuck said, on December 8, 2020 at 10:47 pm

    Without the 2 punt fuckups, Alex wins that game.

    KC didn’t have much of a defense back then. Whatevs.

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