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Rich Get Richer

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 28, 2020

So the Padres get Snell. Hmmmm. I see. Well one thing we now know for certain: the Giants will not be making a run at the NL West crown any time soon.

San Diego gave up 4 players, only one of who I recognized (Mejia) but a quick glance at what others have written about it tells me Tamp Bay got quite a haul. This looks like a clear win for both teams.

I wonder if they’ll let Snell pitch more than 5 innings a game?

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  1. willedav said, on December 28, 2020 at 7:09 am

    Padres are getting the same guy who pitched 10 innings vs. LA gave up 4 hits 3 runs walked 4 (all in second game of WS) and K’d 18. With 3 years of control left, and in none of those years is he making what Gausman makes this season alone. Salary for this season is $10 mil. wow

    • Flavor said, on December 28, 2020 at 7:19 am

      any MLB team would be thrilled to have this guy. That’s why the price was high

      • Flavor said, on December 28, 2020 at 7:20 am

        i wonder what the equiv would be if we had piad up 4 players? Any guesses? I don’t keep track of our minor leaguers enough to know their truth worth

      • alleykat69 said, on December 28, 2020 at 9:05 am

        Any major league team but the Giants, they don’t do anything but dumpster dive and this from a team that desperately needs a left handed starting pitcher..

  2. willedav said, on December 28, 2020 at 8:12 am

    Patino rated 60V prospect who had rough go of it in limited innings at ML level this past season for SD. Only guy Giants have of similar value is Bart. The C prospect Hunt was 45V in Pads system projected to make majors in 2022. 2 others in the deal were Mejia, who has never hit ML level and is suspect defensively, and Pads 3rd round pick from 2020 draft out of U of Georgia.
    fangraphs guy very high on 3 prospects Rays got, though at least 2 of them are ways away, and Mejia is borderline as backup to Zunino..

  3. willedav said, on December 28, 2020 at 8:20 am

    fwiw, Giants don’t have any prospect pitchers other than Webb to have value above 40V. Those would be Corry Hjelle and Santos, who are projected to make debuts 2022 ish. For position players Ramos and Luciano would be 50-55V, with Ramos projected to debut sooner, as in 2022, and talk is that could happen maybe later 2021.

    • gianthead said, on December 28, 2020 at 9:08 am

      Dont you think Corry (not as good as Pads pitcher in deal but not necessarily far off either), Bailey (Rays were after a young catcher and with Bart we could have dealt Bailey) Bishop and another lower tier prospect gets this deal done???

      • gianthead said, on December 28, 2020 at 9:09 am

        Webb probably not enticing enough…

  4. gianthead said, on December 28, 2020 at 8:26 am

    Big move for the Friars. I really appreciate the aggressiveness of their ownership and mgmt after decades of SD incompetence. At least they are going for it. The pitcher they traded was their #1 prospect and maybe better than what we have in our system but the others dont seem to be super tier prospects. Would think us giving up Corry and 3 higher end prospects with Patrick Bailey and Bishop could have gotten this done. No hope for Bauer I think.

  5. Carstie Clausen said, on December 28, 2020 at 8:50 am

    The rich get richer and the richest are out for revenge. The LaBumbos are not likely to take this move lying down. They may go for Bauer or one of the other big names to maintain their edge. As things currently stand, a 162 game season would see SF play those two teams some three dozen times. Unless a significant starter is added to the rotation, we’d be lucky to win more than a dozen of those 36 games vs our primary two opponents. Can Z&H use this as leverage on the owners to cough up for some talent?

    • gianthead said, on December 28, 2020 at 9:05 am

      The Flodgers going after after Bauer is totally conceivable and would be just what we need to drive us ape shit for 2021 with and Snell possibly in the NL West.

  6. alleykat69 said, on December 28, 2020 at 9:39 am

    By Snell was just happy to get out of Tampa Bay after due to the incompetent Kevin Cash handling of him in this last start.Clearly Snell was steamed at him and helped force this trade, though the Rays are a penny pinching organization,yet still have an abundance of talent in one of the best farm teams in baseball.

    Yeah Giants will be annually fighting it out with the Rockies for the NL west cellar as the gap between them and both the Padres &Dodgers widened the gap between the two..

  7. unca_chuck said, on December 28, 2020 at 9:54 am

    The Pads may be winning the offseason again but they need to do something for real. Yeah, they look great on paper, but can they do it for a full season? And sure, I’d much rather see them win the west rather than the Dogs, but I’ll think they are for real when they get there.

    • willedav said, on December 28, 2020 at 10:18 am

      Besides Braves and LA, who already had better team in NL even before the trade?

  8. Carstie Clausen said, on December 28, 2020 at 10:20 am

    From the Giants to the Giants. Ready for that? Of all the starting pitchers available after Snell, the Giants are one of now (after the Snell move) three teams interested in the winner of Japan’s equivalent to the Cy Young Award, Tomoyuki Sugano. Pitching for the Yomiyuri Giants, Sugano has been the dominant starter in Japanese baseball for the last several years. San Francisco briefly featured the first Japanese rotation piece in MLB quite a number of years back. Since then, they have yet to take a serious dip into the Far-East market. This guy is said to possess pin-point command and a killer slider.

    Such an acquisition may not be totally about the money (from Sugano’s probable perspective) as The City has long had a Japanese presence and being on the Coast, should give the guy a comfort zone in SF. With Maeda and Ryu making their MLB aura significant, Sugano going from the Far East to the Far West appears to have the chops to at least equal if not surpass his fellow countrymen.

    Of all the available starter options Sugano would be my choice, as the price would only be money and the return a not unlikely #1 or #2 rotation piece.

    • djloo27 said, on December 28, 2020 at 10:33 am

      • alleykat69 said, on December 28, 2020 at 2:10 pm

        My thoughts exactly Loo..
        Murakami and chopsticks 🥢 a SanFrancisco treat!
        They have always had the SF Connection Stix with Chinatown and Japantown center, they just end up with the wrong ballplayers(except Murakami) Shinjo to Conner Joe they have all stunk..

      • Carstie Clausen said, on December 28, 2020 at 2:51 pm

        Thanks Loo. Murakami, I remembered, but for the life of me, I could not recall his front name “Masanori”. So I left that task to one of the best researchers on the board…and from what I’ve witnessed, he came through.

  9. willedav said, on December 28, 2020 at 10:45 am

    Not so sure about the whole notion of SF being high comfort zone locale for Asian players or that being a cogent reason for them to come here. Isn’t it more likely it’s all about $$? Sugano would not be going home for weekend if he wasn’t pitching. Other than AS break he’s stuck here for 6 months plus ST.

    SF J-Town is very small and wonder if the Nihon indoor mall there by Kabuki is even open.
    fun fact–used to walk by there from parking garage off Laguna and Peace Plaza on way to Japanese Cultural Center on Sutter to coach b-ball vs. SF teams.
    Got only T ever there too.

  10. Winder said, on December 28, 2020 at 11:32 am

    Just another reason to play harder against the Pads and Dogs. We weren’t going anywhere this year anyway. We can build some fresh attitudes with our young guys that hopefully bring out the best out in them. I think the Pads made a really great pick up but it’s still a long season and things happen.

  11. willedav said, on December 28, 2020 at 1:31 pm

    Pads also in line to get Darvish from cubs too, for one of their prospect Cs with one from Cubs coming back to them, according to MLBTR. wow

  12. gianthead said, on December 28, 2020 at 2:25 pm

    Amd Pads continue dealing adding the Korean SS Kim who seems a plus talent and was talked about as a potential fit at SS for the Giants…oh well…hats off to Pads…guess they plan to play him at 2nd.

    Musgrove and this Japanese starter may be a good combo to add to Gausman and Cueto and throw in a cheapie with Lester….

    • Carstie Clausen said, on December 28, 2020 at 2:54 pm

      Jeeze, Head, was Sclafani that forgettable? I know the name’s a tongue-twister (maybe unless you’re Siciliano), but SF coughed up some pretty fair coin for his services.

      • gianthead said, on December 28, 2020 at 3:14 pm

        Lol…long relief??? Ok he can compete for 6th man:)

  13. djloo27 said, on December 28, 2020 at 4:43 pm

    Game 3 of the season and both Kyrie & KD are sitting out the second game of a back to back. Doesn’t matter that Dinwiddie tore up his knee yesterday and is done for the year…

    • willedav said, on December 28, 2020 at 6:03 pm

      yeah Loo, unreal. they showed part of this yesterday on local sports channel that had Warriors Bulls game. He’s also hit 60 some FTs in a row going back to last season, breaking record that goes back to Rick Barry.

  14. pawliekokonuts said, on December 28, 2020 at 5:11 pm

    I am pretty sure I was at Murakami’s debut, which was at Shea.

      • willedav said, on December 28, 2020 at 6:17 pm

        wow thx Mac! Mets wound up 53-109, with minus 200 run differential. so after winning that game they went 8-23 rest of the month.
        Awesome Ron Hunt and .360 OB.
        Al Jackson btw, is guy who later became Mets pitching coach for Dave Johnson and whom Ron Darling credits as being guy that helped him most in younger days to become pitcher he blossomed into.

      • Winder said, on December 28, 2020 at 6:29 pm

        I guess they gave McCovey the day off. Jackson might have given him problems.

      • djloo27 said, on December 28, 2020 at 7:07 pm

        As I’ve said, I don’t think I ever saw Mays get a hit in person at Shea.
        He didn’t hit particularly well there, even when I wasn’t lurking around.
        Granted, he was older by then and probably pressing to put on a show.
        Also, played tired day games after night games, knowing so many had come just to see him…

  15. alleykat69 said, on December 28, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    Odds just might of gotten better for the NY Giants to win they’re division.Washington released Dwayne Haskins who really is a bum 🤯 that’s immature and selfish and that coach Ron Rivera has no use for.With an iffy Alex Smith and a 3rd stinger named Henickle?? it should be a guaranteed loss then all the wacky tiebreakers come in..

  16. willedav said, on December 28, 2020 at 6:54 pm

    Too bad about Spencer Dinwiddie, cool player, from U of Colorado. I’m watching them play Arizona right now, with power forward Evan Battey, Earl Battey’s grandson. He is listed at 6-6 280 and looks every bit of it.
    Buffs have another point guard who might make NBA too, McKinley Wright IV.

  17. Bozo said, on December 28, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    Now the Pads go out and get Yu Darvish.

  18. unca_chuck said, on December 28, 2020 at 7:47 pm

    Saw Mays play for the Mets in ’73 at Shea as a 12 year old. I think he hit a double. Wish I had taken pics. Day game. Can’t remember who they played but it wasn’t the Giants.

  19. Flavor said, on December 28, 2020 at 7:55 pm

    I’m loving these Padre moves. If we can’t compete with LA at least they can. They’re a likeable team too, Tatis is going to win the MVP this year.

    • zumiee said, on December 28, 2020 at 8:08 pm

      For the last couple of years I’ve talked about the frustration of the Giants being the only team in the NL West that really competes well against the Dodgers in head to head games. The rest of the division playing the Dodgers tough is a positive.

  20. alleykat69 said, on December 28, 2020 at 9:37 pm

    Deal for Darvish would of never gone down if he didn’t get his personal Catcher Victor Caratini thrown in.
    Geez Preiller is dealing like a drunken sailor and I like it more then are combination who refuse to crack open a bottle. Watch Preiller go out and get that Japanese pitcher Suguao sp? as well to add to they’re scary pitching staff..

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