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Feelin’ Like The Grave Duggar Done Dug Me A Hole

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on February 11, 2021

Some of you may be interested in this and honestly there is nothing else to post so here goes:

I got my second shot of Moderna yesterday at 8am—everything was ok till about 10pm when the chills and the fever kicked in. Couldn’t sleep all night because of the fever and also because my right arm was killing me and for some reason my left hip felt like it had a knife in it. So I could only lie on my back and sweat and stare upwards. Took some tylenol around 3am and the fever went away.

I had been told the vaccine is not affecting older people as much as younger and I was hoping to fall into the older category but 52 didn’t quite get me there. My guess is that older people’s immune system doesn’t have the fight it once had in them and they just let the vaccine run amok.

But who knows.

Either way, happy to see we are getting to the other side of this, finally. I am going into work today because I’m no pussy, btw. But I’m definitely dragging.

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  1. Bozo said, on February 11, 2021 at 6:19 am

    I get my second Pfizer shot on Saturday. My wife is already planning on me feeling like shit on Valentines day. Glad to get it done, I’m so ready to be able to go to New Orleans again.

    Love this quote from Josh Gibson – “Man, when I come to the plate, I’m in scoring position,”

  2. Flavor said, on February 11, 2021 at 6:36 am

    best way to describe shot 2 is that it feels like you got the flu at night and then totally hungover the next day.

  3. willedav said, on February 11, 2021 at 7:11 am

    Hope both you guys feel better, and soon.
    Still can’t believe I read this on MLBTR, re: Dogs making an arb deal with Buehler, but I guess them’s the rules: “The deal will resolve Buehler’s arbitration case by guaranteeing him $8 mil over the next 2 seasons.” Turns out his salary for this year is $2.75 mil, next year $3.25 mil and $2 mil bonus.

  4. xoot said, on February 11, 2021 at 8:04 am

    After shot one, moderna, pounding heartbeat woke me up all night. I got vaccinated a few hours before the SB, however. The bourbon and ipa probably didn’t help.

  5. gianthead said, on February 11, 2021 at 8:22 am

    Well my college daughter finally picked up the virus…would have thought these college.kids who prob most have not stopped their socializing would have been a bit more conscious of it.

    Good to see Brady drunk off his ass…showing he is human. But person most happy to see win is Fournette. He settled for a backup role and backup salary in order to win. Honor in that that we dont often see in sports and rarely in the nfl…

  6. blade3colorado said, on February 11, 2021 at 8:27 am

    I didn’t have any symptoms after the first Moderna shot xoot. Not looking forward to what Flavor has described and other friends and family have said about the 2nd shot though. I can’t imagine it will be worse than my pneumonia vaccine shot I had in November . . . Sheesh, my left arm felt like it was going to fall off. Lasted almost 4 days and I wasn’t able to lift weights, work out, etc.

    • Flavor said, on February 11, 2021 at 8:37 am

      i mean, i am really not complaining. I am thankful for these shots. But I’ll tell you, I haven’t been this sick in years except maybe a bout or two with food poisoning. And it’s not getting better today, if anything it’s getting a little worse.

      • xoot said, on February 11, 2021 at 8:40 am

        Good luck. Had any md recommended Benadryl?

      • blade3colorado said, on February 11, 2021 at 8:41 am

        Flav, this is normal though per everyone I have spoken with. Pain in the ass I know, but according to the literature available, you’re going to have almost complete antibody protection 12 days from yesterday. I hope you feel better later today or tomorrow. Keep us up to date.

  7. Winder said, on February 11, 2021 at 8:43 am

    Thanks to everyone for their info on the vaccines. I probably won’t get one until March so this important to me. Even though i have some underlying conditions Oregon has a time line for everyone to get a shot.

    Blade- I had the same problems with my second pneumonia shot. I couldn’t turn my head or move my arm more than a foot or two and it lasted for a couple of days.

    • blade3colorado said, on February 11, 2021 at 8:57 am

      Winder, ironically, I didn’t even know that pneumonia vaccine shots existed prior to last year, when I switched health plans from Kaiser to GEHA. Kaiser never, ever mentioned them. Conversely, GEHA and Marshall hospital in Placerville promoted them. Weird.

      • Winder said, on February 11, 2021 at 9:09 am

        From my understanding there are two pneumonia shots. They are for people over 65 and you get one a year for two years. If I remember they said it helps fight 37/38 of the most common types of pneumonia out of over a hundred different strains.

      • Winder said, on February 11, 2021 at 9:42 am

        i had Kaiser for years. They don’t like paying for anything.

      • Irish Kevin said, on February 11, 2021 at 12:37 pm

        I have Kaiser, and last year I turned 65 and the pneumonia shot was on my record to get. Along with a shingles shot. The shingles shot is 2 shots, get the first one then the second 4-6 months later. The second shingles shot I had arm pain where the shot was given, but no problem with the pneumonia shot

      • blade3colorado said, on February 11, 2021 at 12:54 pm

        Yeah Kev, I have to get part 2 of that shingles shot too. Again, another thing that Kaiser short changed me on. lol

  8. Carstie Clausen said, on February 11, 2021 at 9:13 am

    No shots to the wind here but just good old boring baseball. Over on the Foghorn, one of their writers is a bit of a polly, projecting SF to win 85 games. To do so they would need to win nearly 40% of their games vs the SoCal monsters and totally beat-up on the Snakes & Rox plus all those teams in other divisions. Rotation is too unsettled and mediocre to achieve that high a total.

    Nick San Miguel, the Foghorn blasting into the Bay, decries Pecota projecting 75 wins for the Giants. Actually, my take is that those folks are a bit closer than him, as I’m staunchly sticking with yesterday’s 78-84 finish projection.

    Typically stealthy moves by the Z&H combo have tightened the infield defense with a highly versatile defender who can play second, third and first at an above league average clip, while offensively his OBP at the top of the lineup will erode opposing starters’ pitch-count steadily. McGee, added to Whisler, Selman and Moronta will make for a spider’s web, sticky netting for opposing batters to contend with from the 6th inning on. The bullies look solid throughout, with no experimental types jamming up the bases. Bench looks like a definite plus, particularly when compared with most reserves from over the past number of seasons.

    So overall, the defense looks solid, the bullpen without any notable holes, the offense, depending on one more year of performance by the Bore Corps, should not fall precipitously from last season’s minor miracle. The rotation is the only question mark. Giants have no probable riposte against top of the line ace starters, meaning Kapler may hafta do some acrobatic juggling in order to enable our most promising hurlers to face opponents who are no better than equals. The only pleasant surprise I would expect from them would be Webb coming into his own, as per his sterling minor league performances. So the rotation appears to be the only weak link, even though they should not be terrible. I’d rate them as a C+ bunch.

    Wildcard would be LaStella taking off like the proverbial raped ape, thus making our Silver Slugger, Donovan Solano somewhat available. Repeating my previous surmises, some team desperately needing to shore up their attack might view Donnie Barrels as worthy of parting with either a promising AA or AAA starter, or bringing that guy up to replace a well-established one they’d willingly sacrifice for a versatile infielder with punch.

    • Winder said, on February 11, 2021 at 9:39 am

      Also looks like the Cardinals are gonna have a potent team this year. To win 85 games we would probably need 4/6 runs per game on average. The arms are the mystery to me. We probably need two of our pitchers to really exceed their potential and maybe that would inspire some of the others into a competition so to speak.

    • xoot said, on February 11, 2021 at 10:04 am

      Most of the writers reviewing the closer cluster fuck always mention Tyler Rogers. Hilarious.

      • willedav said, on February 11, 2021 at 10:25 am

        hey hit the ‘Horn yesterday with old buddy of mine for steak sandwich. sat out back in sunshine (couple tables not on asphalt parking lot), good day. He does have tables set all along long side of building face Saratoga-Svale rd. Opens at 9 AM for breakfast, closes 6 PM. hope he can survive and keep it going

      • xoot said, on February 11, 2021 at 10:39 am

        Still the Korean guy? His wife is very kind. She used to call me at work when she had concerns about my dad.

      • willedav said, on February 11, 2021 at 11:20 am


      • Carstie Clausen said, on February 11, 2021 at 11:21 am

        agree. Rogers may be useful and confuseful under certain scenarios, but he’s currently too shaky for late innings, to say nothing of closing.

  9. blade3colorado said, on February 11, 2021 at 9:53 am

    Still too frothy Stix. I don’t see this team winning 75 games, much less 78. Bore Core totally lucked out last season with the 60 game season. Tires will fall off completely 1/4 to 1/3 into this season. Book it.

    Also, what the fuck is going on at 2nd base??? I count 4 of them at 2nd base (Solano, Dubon, Flores, and now, La Stella). You have Brandon Belt, Brandon Crawford, Evan Longoria at non-2nd base positions, so what is the expectation, i.e., it sounds like they are expecting 3/4 of the Bore Core to constantly need a rest and/or they’re going to be injured? Dunno.

    Add 12 or 13 pitchers, plus Yaz, Posey and Casali – you have upwards of 22 players set on the roster, right? That leaves these guys – Slater, Dickerson, Ruf, and Wade – to fight for the remaining roster slots. Oh wait, can’t forget Duggar (lol).

    In our division – we will be lucky to win 70 games.

    • xoot said, on February 11, 2021 at 10:08 am

      With ruf dick, Wilmer and Donnie as our sluggers we’re not very fearsome. Add the dead ball. I do think removing the DH from our NL opposing LUs will help the giants a bit.

      • blade3colorado said, on February 11, 2021 at 10:14 am

        Xoot, is the “dead ball” a done deal or just a rumor at the moment? Sorry, I haven’t been keeping up with all the Commissioner’s loony toon rule proposals.

      • xoot said, on February 11, 2021 at 10:28 am

        I think mlb officially notified the teams that the ball will be different; “less bouncy” was, I think, quoted directly from the memo according to one report. I haven’t seen any challenges to those reports.

      • xoot said, on February 11, 2021 at 10:31 am

        See Rosenthal on The Atlhletic, citing specific changes announced by Rawlings.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on February 11, 2021 at 11:30 am

      Blade: Kapler + the versatility favored and developed by the front-officers will see those B.C’s, all five of them to be sure, rotated out of the starting lineup on a fairly frequent basis, particularly depending on the arm-side of the opposing starter—and how overwhelming he may be. I actually would anticipate a few “sacrifice” games where their ace would face our #’s 4 and 5, maybe even a Rays-style reliever-opener.

      My take on Kapler after last season’s yo-yo exercises, is that he is nothing but flexible. Will he be as flexible as I would like to see? Time will tell. Basically, my take is do not put the whole Bore Corps out there against nasty-assed starters. Go with the contact-hitter guys from the bench. Mix n’ Match is how I see the strategy which would bring SF 78 wins vs your gloomer 70. Coin flip if it ends up at 74.

      • blade3colorado said, on February 11, 2021 at 12:55 pm

        You would know better than I. I hardly paid attention last season, other than Draftkings, which is totally stat oriented where I didn’t need to watch any games (which I didn’t). Ironically, I won a lot of money on DK. lol.

  10. djloo27 said, on February 11, 2021 at 10:30 am

    I can see BB9 in pinstripes come 7/31…

    • Carstie Clausen said, on February 11, 2021 at 11:32 am

      Could happen with them or with anyone who needs a relatively high OBP guy at 1B and with those boys having sufficient punch to cover the relative power-deficit. His line-drive style would not surmount that short but high RF wall in any event.

  11. Bozo said, on February 11, 2021 at 10:43 am

    A lot will depend on how Kapler manages the bench. I’m not as worried about our elders as others, but Dick, Ruf, Solano, and the rotating CFers are not everyday guys. So Kapler’s mixing and matching those guys (including the injuries) plus managing our pitching staff for a full year will define the season. Hell, right now I’m not convinced we are better than Arizona for a full season.

    • Carstie Clausen said, on February 11, 2021 at 11:36 am

      Wow! Without first reviewing your take, I posted somewhat the same perspective in response to Blade. I would disagree with you on Arizona. We win 10 out of 18 vs the Snakes. Mix n’ Match for sure. Kapler is on the spot, but having seen his M.O. (evaluate, evaluate, evaluate) last season, I’m fair well confident that he is sufficiently flexible to employ the Z&H versatility pickups to their maximum degree of efficiency.

  12. willedav said, on February 11, 2021 at 11:27 am

    I wonder about Dubon. Kapler was quoted as saying his real value lies in his versatility, so I’m less certain he goes in as THE everyday CF. and I don’t think anyone else can cover SS in Craw’s absence. So how often does he start in CF vs. RHP, and vs. LHP if he covers SS for Craw, who is in CF? Can he get on base enough to be leadoff capable, or is he strictly relegated to bottom of the order? Also factored in is how good the D really is, especially in CF, where being less of a hitter can be more tolerable given superior range etc.

    • willedav said, on February 11, 2021 at 11:33 am

      I was thinking about this while taking a walk and trying to find a reason to keep (and play) Duggar. If he’s a better fielder and runs better/can get on base, no reason he couldn’t start in CF vs. RHP. Problem occurs vs. LHP, when Giants might have to cover CF and SS, though iirc Crawford did OK vs. LHP last season and has been OK in past. Will look splits up over past seasons.
      If Dubon is superior hitter to Duggar though, and fields CF well, then he would likely see more time there and relegate GD to late game LF defensive replacement and part time starter only…should he make team to begin with.

      • Carstie Clausen said, on February 11, 2021 at 11:40 am

        Should Wade supplant GD, my question would be how much range would he have in CF. Someone here may have done the requisite research. That trade with the Twins has to me a whiff of Wade being a sleeper as he is both versatile and potentially an excellent OBP facility. Again, my question is whether he would come close to matching GD as a CFer.

  13. chipower9 said, on February 11, 2021 at 11:39 am

    Glad to hear some of you are getting your covid vaccines. Still awaiting my first shot, as is Gail, who is older than me (67) and has underlying conditions (asthma). Hurry up and wait, here.

  14. mrsprtdude said, on February 11, 2021 at 12:15 pm

    Had my 2nd Modena last Friday. No issues. I’m 55. In my PT office 12 got vaccinated. 4 had symptoms that caused them to miss a work day. 2-3 had mild symptoms of fatigue and 5 had no symptoms. A crap shoot.

    • Flavor said, on February 11, 2021 at 12:32 pm

      no side effects at all? Wow, lucky you

  15. mrsprtdude said, on February 11, 2021 at 12:17 pm

    75 ins is my bet. We will be close.500 most of the way, until late mid August. The vets will get injured and or loose interest as they haven’t been traded, know the team won’t make the playoffs, and know they won’t be back.

    • willedav said, on February 11, 2021 at 12:37 pm

      mm wouldn’t surprise me if 1 of them wound up being re signed for 2022.

      • willedav said, on February 11, 2021 at 12:41 pm

        Kapler and FO might not be so sold on putting all of them out to pasture as others are.

      • unca_chuck said, on February 11, 2021 at 5:49 pm

        They have no choice with Longo.

  16. mrsprtdude said, on February 11, 2021 at 12:17 pm


  17. Irish Kevin said, on February 11, 2021 at 12:38 pm

    For those of you who follow the Niners


  18. Winder said, on February 11, 2021 at 1:56 pm

    If we could win 75 then another 3 is not unheard of. i gotta wait until ST before I have any idea on that. I kinda hope they bring up a bunch of kids and they over perform and take some spots. Youth and attitude would make a fun season.

    • blade3colorado said, on February 11, 2021 at 2:13 pm

      Down with that too. I have advocated getting rid of Crawford, Posey, and Belt for 4 years now. They unequivocally suck wind, especially considering the coin they are being paid. I have never liked Longoria (I was flabbergasted when the last regime brought him over). The Longoria trade added more nails to the coffin. I don’t even think another 60 game season would salvage half ass performances out of any of them.

      So yeah, I would absolutely enjoy playing our minor league studs versus the same ol’ same ol’. Didn’t someone say we now have a top 10 farm system? Put some or all of them out there. At least I wouldn’t fall asleep.

      But that’s not going to happen. Why? Because skinflint Johnson, et. al., wants to make sure every last dime of their collective contracts are spent via their performances, lackluster as they are . . . I feel bad for Z having to put up with this ownership group.

      • Bozo said, on February 11, 2021 at 2:29 pm

        As much as I would like to blame Johnson, everything I’ve ever read has said the ownership group sets a budget and signs off on anything over that, otherwise they stay away from the day-to-day. They also have had a history of spending big, Zaidi on the other hand, has had a history of spending exactly the way he is right now. i think the reason they haven’t cut them is because Zaidi hasn’t found less expensive replacements that aren’t even shittier.

      • blade3colorado said, on February 11, 2021 at 2:38 pm

        Good points Bozo . . . Dunno. I think your last sentence is especially valid.

        ” i think the reason they haven’t cut them is because Zaidi hasn’t found less expensive that aren’t even shittier.”

      • alleykat69 said, on February 11, 2021 at 2:44 pm

        Yeah I’ll keep harping on it but wtf u have the fastest Giant a 5 tool player who could easily play CF with untapped power only seen in the minors cause he is not given a chance for a team that lacks RH power!
        Yeah Sandog like BF with his boy GraveDuggar I will continue to battle for Jaylin Davis a far superior athlete..

      • blade3colorado said, on February 11, 2021 at 3:03 pm

        Down with what you said too AK. Shit, put you out there with your fucked up hip and I will pay money to see that. Bore core? Umm . . . no thank you.

      • Bozo said, on February 11, 2021 at 3:09 pm

        FYI, I edited the line that Blade quoted. He posted what I had originally written.

      • willedav said, on February 11, 2021 at 3:29 pm

        The farm system guys that are at top of prospect list not named Bart mostly haven’t played even A ball yet. Ramos has some AA ball where he didn’t hit well and one of the pitchers was in AA. so no, I don’t see how you could bring up the kids–Wilson Luciano Bishop Canario (who is hurt) Toribio–to ML ball. Unfortunate they lost last season. Giants can use this one to evaluate how far along they are/when they might be ready. but this season, no.

  19. xoot said, on February 11, 2021 at 2:17 pm

    Chick Correa, at 79. RIP. Man.

    • willedav said, on February 11, 2021 at 3:31 pm

      oh, unfortunate. He was quite hard bopper in younger days, playing with Blue Mitchell on blue note yada yada. Saw him with RTF at paramount, wonderful show, with Al D Stanley clarke lenny white.

      • xoot said, on February 11, 2021 at 3:51 pm

        From hard bop and Miles et al to fusion he was terrific. His contribution to the masterpiece Davis album In a Silent Way gets lost in the Zawinul hagiography (which of course also has a sound foundation).

      • unca_chuck said, on February 11, 2021 at 5:52 pm

        Return to Forever?

  20. alleykat69 said, on February 11, 2021 at 2:46 pm

    Wasabi Basabe has cleared waivers and sent back to Sacramento ..

  21. xoot said, on February 11, 2021 at 3:14 pm

    An image from spiritus mundi troubles my sight. Opposing hitters feasting on Giants SPs. https://www.instagram.com/p/BcmRgZhjukS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

    • blade3colorado said, on February 11, 2021 at 3:25 pm

      WHOA! There goes my theory about being able to survive a leopard attack.

      • xoot said, on February 11, 2021 at 3:37 pm

        Gausman aside, we will see a lot of junk from our starters. I hope the twenty pitching coaches know how to teach a guy to throw a fingers crossed change up. Junk is us.

      • alleykat69 said, on February 11, 2021 at 3:53 pm

        Yeah Blade I believe u need to up your arsenal some.
        I read where a .375 caliber rifle should do the job on this leopard 🐆

  22. willedav said, on February 11, 2021 at 3:49 pm

    Flavor said this a long time ago–we need better players. So that is still the key for me–not less boring, better. like him or not, Belt had 1.000 OPS last year and was better hitter than Yaz. Crawford had best season in long time and jacked OPS up to near .800. Longoria did not hit well but for his years with Giants has been mostly league average hitter, though certainly paid more than that. At least LaStella can spell him over there now.

    We saw Bart last year after doing fine at A ball and AA–he sucked. 0 HRs bunch of Ks way overmatched at plate. C and 3b were worst spots in lineup–Giants scored 5th most runs in league; boring they were not.
    So that’s what Giants need to do to field a more competitive team–get better players, not just new ones.

    • Bozo said, on February 11, 2021 at 3:59 pm

      Agreed and well said, Willie.

    • alleykat69 said, on February 11, 2021 at 4:39 pm

      They have a better young player if they ever pull they’re head out of their asses and give him his chance to play him like any other organization would..

      • Bozo said, on February 11, 2021 at 6:50 pm

        I’d like to see him get a true shot. Just because some of the other guys own a 1B mitt doesn’t win me over.

  23. Winder said, on February 11, 2021 at 4:07 pm

    Wow. That leopard was something. I had read somewhere they were more dangerous than a lion or tiger. Don’t know if that’s true just glad they don’t live anywhere near me.

    I don’t really know who we are gonna bring up for ST but whoever they do I would like to see get extensive time on the field. I have serious doubt that we will see anything out of Craw or Belt like we did last year. They are gonna have to be replaced sooner or later. As always pitching will be the key. This is the time of year where I still have some hope. Can’t wait for baseball to start.

    • djloo27 said, on February 11, 2021 at 4:40 pm

      “You can’t change the stripes on a leopard”
      -Emmitt Smith

    • unca_chuck said, on February 11, 2021 at 5:58 pm

      “They don’t think it be like it is, but it do”

      – Oscar Gamble

  24. willedav said, on February 11, 2021 at 6:24 pm

    Scott Hastings, nba big man from Arkansas, coined a term for box score where a player does literally nothing, showing all zeros aside from first figure to the left which is minutes played. He called it a “trillion.”
    I just saw one from Stanford big man Luc Kisunas who played started and played 10 minutes for Stanford. And recorded 0 rebounds points shots free throws 3 pt shots assists fouls.

  25. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on February 11, 2021 at 7:52 pm

    Bummer about Chick Correa. Loved some of his older “acoustic” stuff, and of course Return to Forever. Saw them play Alexander Hall on the Princeton campus, wonderful show.

    As for the Giants, my call at this point is, the only way they don’t lose 100 games is if they play a shortened schedule….

  26. unca_chuck said, on February 11, 2021 at 9:22 pm

    Yeah saw return to forever years ago. ’77?

    77 is about the high water mark for these guys.

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on February 11, 2021 at 9:31 pm

      About right. I think I saw them around ’74 or ’75.

  27. unca_chuck said, on February 11, 2021 at 9:25 pm

    Weird. Bilasport worked fine tonight.

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