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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on February 25, 2021

Ok, I think I’ve finally figured this out. It’s not complicated, I’m surprised it took me this long. Z knows we have no hope of sniffing the wild card this year. But no year is a throw away year. So he’s picking up all this scrip-scrap stuff knowing most of it won’t hit. But whoever he DOES hit on he trades at the break. This is actually not a bad plan. Remember, the Padres got Tatis for James Freaking Shields.

So our World Series is the trade deadline.

I can get behind that…..

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  1. willedav said, on February 25, 2021 at 7:12 am

    Don’t think that’s the MO at all. The Giants don’t have much pitching ready for next year’s starting rotation either–if any of this year signings work out Z could offer them short term deals and keep couple of them around. Goes for Gausman too–why would anyone take him and pay pct of the $19 mil when they could make their own deal for him next year?

    Gausman was very enthusiastic about coming back, and had nothing but praise for Kap and coaching staff. Few of his old Reds teammates around too. If they do OK I can see them sticking around.

    Tatis jr is irrelevant for what Giants might get for guys like Wood or DeSclafani—the chances for hitting on unknown 17 year olds= lottery tickets, phrase often used to describe low level young inexperienced prospects about equal to chance one of them is ever worth anything. Nowadays much more scouting and data involved by all teams, worldwide.

  2. djloo27 said, on February 25, 2021 at 7:40 am

    Other than the obvious Grave Duggar, what Giant jersey would a young Giant fan be asking dad to buy him today? Certainly none of the “on the way out” gang. The team must be selling close to zero in that department…

    • willedav said, on February 25, 2021 at 7:58 am

      in 3./5 time Posey was making commercials all over place and they had Giants promos done with Wilson and two young fan girls–remember one of them told him to say Hi to Lincecum, another one said his hair was dumb. Romo did his share too–he was selling Mercedes cars and doing funny stuff with Giants reporters.
      Other than Yaz, can’t see any marketing or jersey/gear stuff like that going down with current group.

      • djloo27 said, on February 25, 2021 at 8:01 am

        Forgot Yaz.
        I’d bet he’s 90% of their personalized merch sales right now…

  3. Carstie Clausen said, on February 25, 2021 at 7:48 am

    For info on the latest SF dumpster-dive, check my commentary at the tail of yesterday’s thread.

  4. willedav said, on February 25, 2021 at 7:53 am

    Z plan seems straightforward–development of position prospect to add power to OF and replace at least half of the IF. these are guys at top of prospect food chain–Luciano Bart Ramos Matos Wilson Bishop and others, position players that can rake.
    Pitching, with Hjelle Corry and Santos at top end, doesn’t have near the depth, so he has to try and find and help nurture at ML level in order to compete. And hope he can find keepers he can hang onto out of young pen.

    If SF can continue to hit and score runs he’s counting on Kapler and his staff to come up with more Gausman like success stories to give team breathing room until prospects arrive more fully developed in minors. But I’d bet he keeps whomever works out rather than try and do this all over again next year or two.

    • Flavor said, on February 25, 2021 at 8:27 am

      everyone of value is going to be traded by the deadline. Not prospects, MLB players producing. Book it.

      • willedav said, on February 25, 2021 at 8:33 am

        For what?

      • Flavor said, on February 25, 2021 at 8:41 am


      • willedav said, on February 25, 2021 at 8:52 am

        Dead 100 percent wrong. Who on Earth would he replace them with?

      • djloo27 said, on February 25, 2021 at 8:58 am

        Who’s lookin’?

  5. unca_chuck said, on February 25, 2021 at 8:22 am


    • willedav said, on February 25, 2021 at 8:36 am

      Unless Giants suddenly reverse course and kick back $$, can’t see that happening either given his age and salary.

  6. djloo27 said, on February 25, 2021 at 9:03 am

    If Gleyber is struggling defensively and/or Voit isn’t producing, I can see a Brandon in pinstripes come August.
    Would only be about $5 million each left on their deals for the 2 months.
    Chump change for WS desperate Yanks…

    • sandog said, on February 25, 2021 at 9:40 am

      You’ve been working your ass off for years to make that deal happen. I hope it comes through, but I am not optimistic.

      • djloo27 said, on February 25, 2021 at 9:43 am

        Don’t underestimate me!
        For a few hours last year we thought Puig was a Giant, right?

  7. sandog said, on February 25, 2021 at 9:48 am

    I don’t think “The Plan” is bring these guys in just to trade them. I think Z honestly wants to do all he can to compete while not adding much to what is already a top ten payroll. I get the feeling that being as competitive as possible is important to Z–even if that simply means staying out of last place and avoiding 95+ losses.
    Now, if someone makes a good offer for one of these dudes, he’ll probably take it, but based on how the Bumgarner situation played out, I’m not really expecting that to happen.

    Also–I think all of you would have a much more peaceful baseball experience this year if you simply accept (as I have) that none of these older core guys is getting traded or released, and they all will get regular playing time this year. I’m talking Posey/Craw/Belt/Posey.

    • sandog said, on February 25, 2021 at 9:50 am

      Forgot Cueto!

  8. willedav said, on February 25, 2021 at 9:55 am

    My take is Z is going to try and win as many games as possible this season. with fans (and $$$) coming back to yard he’s eager to show them giants are on cusp of being able to hang for WC group and make LA and SD lives as difficult as possible, and that being at bottom of food chain in NL is over. Wins are gonna matter.

    So if a couple of his reclamation SPs can be serviceable near 4.00 ERA guys that can stay healthy enough to win some games, he hangs onto them and makes them offers for next year or two.
    And Yaz definitely stays if he can maintain production…other than last chance to see Crawford or Posey etc. last days in Giants uni, there isn’t another draw on entire team.

    • Flavor said, on February 25, 2021 at 10:03 am

      well, the beauty of this is that this will all play out at the trade deadline. If he sits pat and does nothing, you will be proven right. I expect a flurry of moves, assuming some of those guys are productive during the first half of this season. Z will wave bye bye to them in exchange for future studs.

      • Carstie Clausen said, on February 25, 2021 at 2:07 pm

        Expecting Z will play it close to the vest, particularly with the younger SPs. One or two may be keepers. Bore Corps will be well oiled and slicked up to swap for overlooked Mi. L. starter prospects (Not A-level, but guys with some promise.) Enough of them and he may be able to filter our one or two who could stick. RPs having a good year, but a bunch of mileage may also be in the mix.

        Just this afternoon received a split keyboard—a Kinesis Freestyle 2. Hunt and peck for awhile as muscle memory must reconfigure. Row to hoe at 76. At least spacer key and letters seem in synch.

    • alleykat69 said, on February 25, 2021 at 10:16 am

      There will be a huge draw when number 49 Jaylin Davis sets the NL on fire 🔥 with power and speed the Giants have never seen! Giants don’t need a fungo hitting limp bat like GD( 6 HR’s in 480 career AB’s lol 😂 jeez 1 in every 80 AB’s)holding back any outfielder this year. On to Sac are cut GD it’s the only option..

  9. alleykat69 said, on February 25, 2021 at 10:01 am

    Giants under Z are probably going to use Rays approach about their SP , besides Gausman being there biggest inning eater( maybe Cueto on certain starts)he just hopes to get a bunch of starters to get 100 innings are so like Tampa does and hand it over to the bullpen.Granted the Giants BP isn’t nearly as strong as the Rays, Z will have plenty of arms to tryout.And if a few struggle he will keep the bus fueled for replacements at Sac..

  10. willedav said, on February 25, 2021 at 10:47 am

    Another part of winning games this season is not to undermine or hamstring Z’s boy Kapler. I wasn’t in on him when hired but I’ll give him credit for what they accomplished last season given level of talent on pitching staff. the fact that someone like Gausman is all in on returning and talked openly how much he liked it here speaks volumes for Kap and his unorthodox coaching staff.
    Z gutting the team out from under him and not caring about pinning more Ls onto Kapler’s record I can’t see.
    “Future studs” coming to SF is unrealistic return imo, even for Yaz let alone others with fewer recent years of success, given way teams today overvalue prospects.

  11. wilcojoe said, on February 25, 2021 at 10:47 am

    If guys like Gausman, Wood and others are having strong seasons and can bring back prospects in trade, then the Giants are likely playing competitive baseball. Which brings up the conundrum for Z. Do you trade guys for prospects when your club is contending at the deadline?

    • djloo27 said, on February 25, 2021 at 10:54 am

      I guess it’ll depend on how they define contending and of course the quality of the offers (if any)…

    • Flavor said, on February 25, 2021 at 12:36 pm

      if they are contending I guess they won’t trade the guys who are producing. But, come on, do you see them contending? Even for the 2nd WC spot? I still them winning 74 games or so this year, maybe less. But the problem is going to be if they are 4 games off the WC2 spot but have 5 teams in front of them. FUCK THAT I do not want to go through people not understanding math. AGAIN

      • Carstie Clausen said, on February 25, 2021 at 2:24 pm

        Anything more than 83 wins is purest polly. 78 is still my projection. 75 for a low. With NLC needing a rep in the post season and some heavyweights in the NLE plus those 2 monsters in SoCal, its highly unlikely the Brass expects contention–just respectability. With depth and versatility throughout, trading off a piece or two to a team desperately Jonesing to make the playoffs; they might would say in some parts of the South, that man is one calculating sumbitch.

  12. blade3colorado said, on February 25, 2021 at 10:56 am

    I repeated this message the next day on the 18th . . . Consequently, Flavor is spot on.

    blade3colorado said, on February 17, 2021 at 8:59 am (Edit)
    If it all falls apart by May (it will), trade anyone with a heart beat. I am hoping that at least one of the “bore core” falls into this category a la Melanoma to Atlanta. Concurrent with the aforementioned, trade Yaz for a prospect(s) to a contender while he’s still worth something (age 31 in August).

    No one on the current roster – hitter or pitcher – is going to be worth a roll of quarters, sans Dubon (shaky maybe) in 1 to 2 years. In effect, all emphasis has to be directed at the farm system.

  13. willedav said, on February 25, 2021 at 11:01 am

    Pavs had story yesterday on nbcbayareagiants site entitled “Giants are giving LaMonte Wade Jr .long look in OF this spring.”
    Kap weighs in, “There’s a couple things we know about LaMonte: the rare offensive plate discipline profile, and again, similar to Jaylin (Davis) and similar to Yaz, it’s a real engine that can produce power. We want to see that barrel accuracy with LaMonte and I think once we see that we’re going to see more balls in the air to the pull side, some that go out of the park and some that land in gaps.”

    • xoot said, on February 25, 2021 at 11:23 am

      Lamonte is in an option year iirc. He’ll lease a nice car and get familiar with I 80.

      • sandog said, on February 25, 2021 at 12:13 pm

        Maybe grab a bite at the Nut Tree or go for a glider ride.

      • xoot said, on February 25, 2021 at 12:33 pm

        Headed east of a summer morning, when you reach that dogleg outside of Vacaville and the sun blazes straight through your windshield, no matter how good the AC it’s tough to stay positive.

    • Macdog said, on February 25, 2021 at 11:53 am

      I hope “barrel accuracy” doesn’t also apply to our pitchers.

      • Winder said, on February 25, 2021 at 12:18 pm

        Lol. They better send a memo to Cueto.

  14. unca_chuck said, on February 25, 2021 at 12:06 pm

    This is was and will be about how these guys fare by the break. Melonhead garnered interest and was (!!!) picked up in entirety by the Braves. Smargle was dumped. Pence and Pablo as well. That being said, the Bore Core I think isn’t going to go anywhere. Panik is the closest thing to being one of the crew that wasn’t re-upped and was dumped unceremoniously.

    All these other recent signees are fair game. As it should be. Anyone that garners interest from another team should be jettisoned. I just don’t think they pull the trigger with Belt, Crawfish or Posey. Longo could even be outrighted if he’s dogshit.

  15. alleykat69 said, on February 25, 2021 at 12:42 pm

    Bore core is not going anywhere this year,besides the contracts, they don’t have replacement players at they’re positions that are capable to take over and do a decent job.

    • blade3colorado said, on February 25, 2021 at 1:52 pm

      AK, read that again, “they don’t have replacement players at they’re positions that are capable to take over and do a decent job.” Almost like a oxymoron, i.e., the “bore core” not replaceable? HAHAHAHAHA! Good one AK!

      Just my take, but they have been “replaceable” since after the 2016 season. Shit, if they had approved the DH position, I would send you to a Giants tryout camp, new hip and all.

      • Bozo said, on February 25, 2021 at 4:57 pm

        Yeah Blade, Belt leading the team last year in OPS and SLG, also 2nd in BA, 3rd in RBI and 4th in HRs, had to really suck the life out of the team.

      • blade3colorado said, on February 26, 2021 at 7:07 am

        He played 51 games (149 ABs) . . . Not exactly a full season. lol

    • Winder said, on February 25, 2021 at 2:17 pm

      It’s still all about the money. If they could dump em then they could pay for replacements.

      • djloo27 said, on February 25, 2021 at 3:36 pm

        Yup. Look at the crumbs they just battled over with Solano…

      • xoot said, on February 25, 2021 at 4:02 pm

        There’s a mlb standard now called file and trial. Most clubs stop negotiating as soon arb numbers are exchanged. It’s possible to read too much into Donnie’s seemingly small dispute.

  16. gianthead said, on February 25, 2021 at 4:21 pm

    I don’t buy that Crawford and Belt are not replaceable…if any team shows interest you move them before the deadline. Flores, Ruff, Posey or LaStella can play 1st. LaStella can play short or Dubon or maybe this kid Will Wilson. I thought the Yankees for the last three seasons as they pushed toward playoffs that adding the Brandon vets would be a smart play for them and they showed absolutely zero interest. Those dogs just wont hunt…

    • Flavor said, on February 25, 2021 at 4:33 pm

      both Crawford and Belt have no trades.

      • djloo27 said, on February 25, 2021 at 4:43 pm

        Belt’s NTC is limited. Can block 10 teams annually.
        Craw has the full one…

      • Flavor said, on February 25, 2021 at 5:30 pm

        seems like most of the trades now at the break are for pitchers. Everyone has hitting. We have a lot of pitchers who could cobble together something by the break that would look enticing to other teams. Those are the guys I bet Z ships out, not the vet hitters

  17. willedav said, on February 25, 2021 at 6:31 pm

    Z shipped out Poms and Ray Black to Twins 2019 for Dubon. Dubon 2020 4 HRs and 9 total XBHs in 157 ABs. Stole 2 bags caught 3 times. League average or below hitter, not much power or speed.

    Z sent Sam Dyson out and got Jaylin Davis, the unproven one, and 2 pitchers. One isn’t playing for anyone, the other is still here on minors deal. He was inactive last season and so far has only pitched in A ball.
    Not my definition of future studs. As Loo said 10:54, it’s “quality of the offers (if any).”

    • Flavor said, on February 25, 2021 at 6:45 pm

      well they’re hard to hit on my man! He’s gonna keep firing away tho, that much is certain. Also, those guys you listed that he shipped out, they sucked. lol. Getting rid of them for ANYTHING was amazing at the time. Remember?

  18. willedav said, on February 25, 2021 at 6:51 pm

    Return for Melancon was Dan Winkler, whom Giants released Sept 30 2019 and Tristan Beck. Beck has 35 innings of good baseball (2.27 ERA) at San Jose high A ball 2019, nothing last year.

    • Flavor said, on February 25, 2021 at 6:54 pm

      again, you aren’t remembering history here. We were ECSTATIC to get rid of Melancon for ANYTHING at the time. I’m surprised you’ve forgotten. Anyway, Z not getting any studs back for the shit guys you listed off in your last 2 posts is not supporting your point.

      • willedav said, on February 26, 2021 at 8:15 am

        by the time he was traded Melancon had recovered his health and was not pitching badly at all. He was universally hated here, mostly over $$$, but not by me and couple others. As you yourself mentioned he did OK with Braves who were going for it all at time (and 2020) and has now found home with another contender in SD. Other than $$ saved another case of getting zip in return.

        Dunno what you expect back for couple good months by reclamation SPs, but I doubt it will be anyone significant if it happens at al. Making Kap’s life harder by dumping off productive SP, Giants biggest weakness, makes zero sense to me. But nice to see a take not in all caps, thanks.

  19. Flavor said, on February 25, 2021 at 6:58 pm

    Here’s something I wrote on Aug 1, 2019. It was universally agreed with at the Flap at the time:
    Regardless, Young Z was wheeling and dealing like a madman yesterday. I still don’t understand how he got Atlanta to take the rest of Melatonin’s deal and getting anything for Pom and Black is astounding. When you look at what he gave up for The Dick and Pillar it has become clear that he gives up absolutely nothing for these guys. I’m exciting to see how his drafts unfold……

  20. Flavor said, on February 25, 2021 at 7:06 pm

    kings embarrassed themselves tonight. The Knicks play as slow as any team in the league. They can’t shoot or score anything other than a layup half the time. And they drop 140 on Sacto? That is a joke.

    • Macdog said, on February 25, 2021 at 8:21 pm

      Sac played like a team that had a couple nights to burn in NYC.

  21. zumiee said, on February 25, 2021 at 8:27 pm

    The Kings won 7 out of 8 games, and then seemed to pack in the season. Very strange. A theory is that teams have figured out they can just physically push the Kings around. The Kings are going to have to get more physical or the season is just over for them already. They were unwatchable tonight.

  22. zumiee said, on February 25, 2021 at 8:30 pm

    The Kings need to dump Hield. He’s digressed the last two seasons. He plays no defense and is an erratic scorer. He doesn’t really seem to understand the game very much.

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