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They Called Him Marvelous

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 14, 2021

Like many of you, I was struck down by the death of Marvelous Marvin Hagler. Besides Tyson he was the most anticipated fighter of my generation. His bouts were electric, I cannot explain this to someone who wasn’t alive in the 80s, they wouldn’t understand it.

There’s not much more to say. I miss those fights, I miss that time.

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  1. gianthead said, on March 14, 2021 at 7:40 am

    Hagler was my favorite fighter in that era. That Hagler Sugar Ray fight was one of my favorite times at the fraternity at State…bunch of loaded bros with most rooting for Sugar Ray and a handful of us for the Hit Man. But have to ask PaulinAsia what kind of women does he date that who wants her boobs signed by Hagler??? Lol. Or did he marry that girl???

    • djloo27 said, on March 14, 2021 at 8:06 am

      All My Children in the daytime, Dallas, at night,
      Can’t even see the game or the Sugar Ray fight…

  2. zumiee said, on March 14, 2021 at 7:49 am

    I’m not a boxing fan but I do remember when boxing was a very big deal in the culture. The biggest boxing matches were more than just sports events; they were huge national events.

  3. zumiee said, on March 14, 2021 at 7:52 am

    I read a Time magazine recently about the delayed Olympics coming up this summer in Japan. That’s a situation fraught with difficulty.

  4. Winder said, on March 14, 2021 at 8:22 am

    flavor- your right about his fights being electric. Everyone I knew always paid attention to his fights.

    • Flavor said, on March 14, 2021 at 8:30 am

      Kat called it on the last thread. Everyone would chip in and get together at someone’s house. One time after a fight we moved the party into the garage and had our own little Fight Club. That was some night.

  5. willedav said, on March 14, 2021 at 8:37 am

    Hagler was tremendous fighter. Hearns fight one of best ever in boxing.
    Flav, long Belt column in Athletic–he did have Covid. Got tested after he knew he’d been exposed (details not revealed) then noticed as quarantine ended he couldn’t work out for 10 minutes without strain. This was in January and took him 3-4 weeks to get over it. then he got mono later and is back to working out with SF.
    Also said, “I think baserunning has been a strength of mine over my career.” ?
    Not sure he’ll be ready by Opening Day or not, which of course would free up roster spot for a Vosler, etc.

    • xoot said, on March 14, 2021 at 9:59 am

      Sounds like he’s dealing with some brain damage, too.

    • James said, on March 14, 2021 at 10:20 am

      He was almost always militantly without mask in every dugout shot last year. East Texas …

  6. willedav said, on March 14, 2021 at 9:47 am

    Cactus league highlight: Pads at A’s, Romo as one of relievers to be used for an inning, starts. First up is Tatis Jr., count goes to 3-2 and, “…everyone in the park knew on contact that the ball was gone. Tatis dropped his bat behind him after completing his follow through, stepped from the batter’s box, clapped his hands and began his 28 second journey around the bases.
    The beautiful swing was quite a sight for those in attendance, and a video of it, taken by the Chronicle, reached 200K views on Twitter within 90 minutes.”

    • willedav said, on March 14, 2021 at 9:56 am

      It’s on Shea’s twitter, @JohnSheaHey. All you see is pitch and Tatis Jr swing, no shot of where it went.
      Fun fact: as Giants rookie in 2008 the first HR Romo gave up was…yes, to NY Met Fernando Tatis 2 run bomb in 7th inning of game July 10.

      • Macdog said, on March 14, 2021 at 10:39 am

        Ha, I was at that Mets game, I think Loo was too. Didn’t know that was first-ever bomb off Romo.

  7. alleykat69 said, on March 14, 2021 at 9:56 am

    Pound for pound nobody was tougher then Hagler, he was chiseled out of stone!
    I don’t recall if he ever got knocked down? He just kept coming at you relentlessly. Sugar Ray Leonard was quoted as saying :”It was the closest to death I ever felt when I faced Marvin Hagler”
    And to this day I still believe he beat Leonard in that split division to lose his welterweight title he held from 80-87 in just dominant form! And his destruction of “Hit Man Hearns” ( btw my favorite boxer name and he was from Detroit the motor city) in 3 rounds though short fight was brutally a blood bash toe to toe through out and up there with one of the best fights of alltime, yeah like BF mentioned it was electric times,and glued to your TV set not missing a second unless you had to reload up on beer between rounds, which was constant!!

  8. James said, on March 14, 2021 at 10:18 am

    I can’t recall ever coming across any arty farty boxing poems. I guess the crudity of the fight as metaphor ensured the separation of crafts Fernando was after.

    • xoot said, on March 14, 2021 at 10:23 am

      Kerouac wrote a good one about fight night. Prose poem, iirc.

  9. alleykat69 said, on March 14, 2021 at 10:46 am

    Hey have anyone heard of the latest ridiculous experimental for baseball in the minor leagues ( poor minors they always get the shit first to checkout) they are talking about ..
    1) A pitcher will only be allowed to throw to 1B twice per runner, if he doesn’t pick him off on the 3rd attempt it’s an automatic ball to second? WTF why would a runner ever attempt a steal anymore?

    2) The infielders will have to have both feet on the dirt portion of the infield and no shift is allowed I believe?

    • xoot said, on March 14, 2021 at 10:48 am

      You’d think simple shackles would be easier. Every player could put them on, like catcher’s shin guards, before hobbling from the dugout.

      • Winder said, on March 14, 2021 at 10:55 am

        I wonder who thinks this stuff up?

    • Flavor said, on March 14, 2021 at 10:55 am

      They’re also making the bases bigger lol

      • xoot said, on March 14, 2021 at 11:09 am

        wholly shit, you’re right–in AAA. Which mattress company got the contract?

    • willedav said, on March 14, 2021 at 11:07 am

      yeah saw these Kat, to be tested at different lower levels AA on down I think. Well, at least it would provide a chance to see how it goes for players, mgrs., etc.
      Funny, in one of the Ron Darling books I read, he complains about present day mgrs. calling all the pick off throws, even the soft ones, that ruin any chance for pitchers today to get feel for it and do it well.. Said he had developed a good move and had a good sense of when runners were going or not, something he figured out on his own unencumbered by mgrs telling him what to do. Also had a designed throw to 2b worked out with SS and picked off few guys with it.
      He and Keith Hernandez also had separate routine worked out for runner on 1b (and or 2b) and expected bunt by hitter. One throw over, and then next pitch he didn’t even look and went right to plate–with Hernandez full on charging in.

    • alleykat69 said, on March 14, 2021 at 11:20 am

      Automatic balk..

  10. Winder said, on March 14, 2021 at 10:56 am

    I wonder what Wills and Henderson would think about that.

    • alleykat69 said, on March 14, 2021 at 11:26 am

      Right along with Lou Brock I’m sure he’s rolling in his grave over this one..

  11. James said, on March 14, 2021 at 11:29 am

    Is the rationale for the bigger bases to reduce the incidence of lost contact with the bag?

    • Flavor said, on March 14, 2021 at 11:47 am

      my guess is that it will promote more SB’s. MLB is desperate for more action in baseball. HR, walk, Strike out is killing the sport. A bigger bag shortens the distance between bases by a couple inches which would, theoretically, increase SB totals.

      • James said, on March 14, 2021 at 12:02 pm

        Ah, right.

  12. James said, on March 14, 2021 at 11:33 am

    The OF shift is probably far more damaging to offensive productivity.

  13. willedav said, on March 14, 2021 at 12:24 pm

    when it comes to speed of the game, batters who have to adjust batting gloves after every pitch are the worst. I’d make that 2 step outs per AB, max. After that =auto strike is called. Winter leagues in Caribbean used to have rules like that iirc where ump would call a strike if batter wasn’t in box in timely manner.

  14. James said, on March 14, 2021 at 12:30 pm

    I don’t think any of these tweaks will get them to the desired outcome. They want an emphasis on making contact and putting the ball in play that some of the fundamental rules of the game discourage. 2 strikes your out, ball 5 might make a difference. Max of 3 foul balls.

  15. alleykat69 said, on March 14, 2021 at 12:37 pm

    Yeah the dead time between pitches need to be cleaned up to speed up the game.
    You know you come up to the plate from the on deck circle and that’s where all your BS glove adjustment should happen and not turn it into “The Human Rain Delay” of Mike Hargrove anymore..

    • Flavor said, on March 14, 2021 at 12:52 pm

      Some dude in the yankee gm today had a 22 pitch walk

  16. zumiee said, on March 14, 2021 at 1:02 pm

    A first base bag that extends into foul territory makes sense. It’s always been weird how the batter is supposed to run in a lane in foul territory and then at the end veer onto the bag in fair territory.

    • alleykat69 said, on March 14, 2021 at 2:17 pm

      Zumie ..Yes, I would think it would help with collisions and injuries as well.

  17. James said, on March 14, 2021 at 1:04 pm

    Baseball will never be able to compete with the motion, violence, and flash of football and basketball, even if most teams looked like the early 80s Cardinals (attendance was in the paltry mid-40 millions back in those good old days, 69M in 2019). The perception of continuous action just won’t be there. That’s been the existential fear for a while now.

  18. zumiee said, on March 14, 2021 at 1:12 pm

    I see no need to be embarrassed by Jack London. In his relatively short life of 40 years he published about 50 books, many are brilliant, some are truly terrible; but he left an interesting and influential literary legacy. In my opinion he was as racist as the average white westerner was in those days. It’s unfortunate he didn’t rise above his era on that, but perhaps he would have had he lived longer.
    The Jack London State Park in Northern California is well worth visiting. It’s London’s former ranch and has multiple museums, and interesting and poignant sites, including he and his wife’s grave sites.

    • James said, on March 14, 2021 at 1:24 pm

      His lingering popularity may eventually surpass baseball’s.

    • zumiee said, on March 14, 2021 at 1:25 pm

      London’s life is an interesting thing to read about. He packed a lot of things into his 40 years. One of the best biographies of London is by Earle Labor, who has been one of the greatest London scholars over the years.

      • zumiee said, on March 14, 2021 at 1:28 pm

    • xoot said, on March 14, 2021 at 2:04 pm

      I was joking, Zumie. I ain’t no nose pincher.

  19. willedav said, on March 14, 2021 at 1:35 pm

    How far north of Jack London Square is A’s new proposed yard?

    • willedav said, on March 14, 2021 at 1:36 pm

      which may or may not ever happen.

    • xoot said, on March 14, 2021 at 2:06 pm

      Howard terminal is mere steps away as they say from the Jack London square ferry dock.

    • xoot said, on March 14, 2021 at 2:15 pm

      The long haul freights still run down the street there, to and from Watsonville (and la). At five mph it takes a two mile train a long time to clear. They’re gonna need some huge pedestrian bridges.

      We used to hate rolling through there soon after 3 a m. There’d often be some drunk waving his arms in the headlight, in front of the car he’d stupidly driven off the road and onto the tracks.

      • xoot said, on March 14, 2021 at 2:16 pm

        2 am.

  20. Winder said, on March 14, 2021 at 1:37 pm

    Watching baseball on tv really doesn’t get it for me. I like listening to games on the radio much more. You can do things while listening to it. If I am at the park I don’t pay attention to the time if it’s a long or short game. When the Giants scheduled 4/5 double headers a year I would buy tickets to all of em.

    • alleykat69 said, on March 14, 2021 at 2:23 pm

      Winder…Yeah I tried to go to my share of doubleheader’s as well.Players hate them( unless you were good old Ernie Banks who would always say “Let’s play 2” loved his enthusiasm!
      Plus doubleheader’s double the beer 🍻 intake!

  21. Flavor said, on March 14, 2021 at 2:36 pm

    this is the random dude who took a 22 pitch walk today.

  22. zumiee said, on March 14, 2021 at 2:43 pm

    Gillian Welch and Dave Rawlings won a Grammy! That’s some good news today.

    • xoot said, on March 14, 2021 at 2:48 pm

      I Wanna Sing that Rock n Roll!

    • Winder said, on March 14, 2021 at 4:56 pm

      Good news. One of my favorites is a duet with Solomon Burke.

  23. blade3colorado said, on March 14, 2021 at 3:08 pm

    Hagler was robbed in his fight against Sugar Ray, mostly due to one of the judges totally fucking up on scoring. When he viewed the fight later, the freakin’ judge admitted he should have scored 2 more rounds for Hagler. Even piss ant Robinson – whom I disliked intensely – admitted to Hagler immediately after the fight, “You beat me man.” Fucker changed his story when the judges stole it from Hagler. All of this is documented with witnesses.

    One other thing, Hagler fucked up too. He’s a natural southpaw and for whatever reason, fought Robinson out of an orthodox stance in the first 2 or 3 rounds if I recall correctly. Pfffttt! Due to that stupid strategy, he lost those rounds to Sugar Ray. The fight was close, but didn’t have to be that close . . . moreover, even with his initial fucked up strategy, he clearly won.

  24. willedav said, on March 14, 2021 at 4:06 pm

    State of Texas got most teams in, 7. However, 2 of them likely gone very early. UT Horns play Abilene Christian and Texas Southern has play in game of 16 seeds, and should they win face #1 seed in bracket, Michigan.
    California had 5 teams in.

  25. gianthead said, on March 14, 2021 at 4:57 pm

    We all know boxing was always notorious for all kinds of shenanigans and during the fight I and the fellow Haglernistas thought he was intentionally holding back on Leonard and I was always suspicious it was being done to let Leonard win and set up another fight…

    • gianthead said, on March 14, 2021 at 5:01 pm

      Especially was holding back early in the fight and now reading Blade’s comment about Hagler switching up his stance first 2-3 rounds is even more head-scratching and suspicious…

  26. zumiee said, on March 14, 2021 at 5:30 pm

    The soundtrack album for the great movie “Jo Jo Rabbit” won a Grammy. The soundtrack includes a Beatles song.
    Rachel Maddow won a Grammy for her audio book “Blowout.” I have a paper copy but haven’t read it yet.
    The band Wilco won for album packaging.

  27. zumiee said, on March 14, 2021 at 5:32 pm

    A lot of techno dance music won Grammys, which I couldn’t care less about.

  28. zumiee said, on March 14, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    Back when I still had my vinyl albums, I had a Warren Zevon album that had a song called “Boom Boom Mancini.”

    “Hurry home early hurry on home
    Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon
    Hurry home early hurry on home
    Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon
    From Youngstown, Ohio, Ray “Boom Boom” Mancini
    A lightweight contender, like father like son
    He fought for the title with Frias in Vegas
    And he put him away in round number one
    Hurry home early hurry on home
    Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon
    Hurry home early hurry on home
    Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon
    When Alexis Arguello gave Boom Boom a beating
    Seven weeks later he was back in the ring
    Some have the speed and the right combinations
    If you can’t take the punches, it don’t mean a thing
    Hurry home early hurry on home
    Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon
    Hurry home early hurry on home
    Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon
    When they asked him who was responsible
    For the death of do Koo Kim
    He said, “Some one should have stopped the fight
    And told me it was him.”
    They made hypocrite judgements after the fact
    But the name of the game is be hit and hit back
    Hurry home early hurry on home
    Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon
    Hurry home early hurry on home
    Boom Boom Mancini’s fighting Bobby Chacon”

    • James said, on March 14, 2021 at 6:21 pm

      Henry Mancini won 20 Grammys to Zevon’s two. I was curious.

      • zumiee said, on March 14, 2021 at 7:21 pm

        Zevon’s two are still impressive!

  29. Winder said, on March 14, 2021 at 6:48 pm

    49ers signed Juice to a 5 year 27mil contract.

    • Flavor said, on March 14, 2021 at 6:54 pm

      i mean, that’s fine and all as long as they can still sign Trent Williams and plug the other holes they have

  30. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on March 14, 2021 at 6:56 pm

    Giant Head, to answer your earlier question about what kind of girl was I dating who wanted Marvin to sign her boobs: as you might guess, she was a good-time girl. Which of course made her fun to date. No, didn’t marry her, but we’re still very good friends. She ended up recently retiring in New Hampshire. Marvin died in New Hampshire. Coincidence? Hmmmm………

  31. djloo27 said, on March 14, 2021 at 8:35 pm

    Quiet day for the Grave Duggar – just a BB in 4 PA.
    First bomb for Yaz…

    https://www.mlb.com/gameday/giants-vs-d-backs/2021/03/14/642212#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=642212

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on March 14, 2021 at 9:44 pm

      7 SF pitchers. I haven’t heard of a single one of them…


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