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One More Sleep To Go

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 31, 2021

….and then we play ball. Of course, WE don’t actually get to play until Thursday NIGHT which is still pissing me off. But still, only one more sleep to go.

I kinda gave up on March Madness when it became clear my brackets were much sadder than they were madder. Question for the college hoops experts: Is Gonzaga really this good? Or is it just in relation to the teams out there now. Like back in my day, the UNLV team of (I think) 1990 was the best team of all time. And you just knew it when you watched them. I don’t feel that way about this Gonzaga team but I really haven’t watched much of it.

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  1. willedav said, on March 31, 2021 at 6:56 am

    Oh yeah Zags are for real. They blasted USC team that had been humbling others in bracket. Timme scored at will vs. both Mobleys and the shooters lit up their vaunted zone; offense is fun to watch with ball movement and transition game. Plus they hassled perimeter players with ball pressure, doubled posts and made Trojans life very difficult at other end.
    they scored 49 in first half vs. one of better defensive teams in country, just like they do to USF and St. Mary’s of WCC. Only question is how many guys (anywhere from 2-4) go in top end of draft.

  2. willedav said, on March 31, 2021 at 7:05 am

    Saw some clips of Bobby Hurley and Duke taking down Vegas and Tark (chewing on his towel) yesterday. During earlier game an announcer compared USC defense to “Amoeba” zone Tark used to run.

    Remember seeing Larry Johnson as a rook with Charlotte in afternoon game in Oaktown get lit up by warriors. He was great show though. One of vets on Hornets was Dell Curry, flying around court coming off staggered screens to shoot 3s.

    Giants will see LHPs from M’s, so wonder how much Belt we see before Padres series.

    • James said, on March 31, 2021 at 7:39 am

      Maybe an Opening Day start to honor the noble veteran, then I thought M’s had Flexen going the third game. He’ll see a small number of starts over the year against lefties who don’t throw too hard and not named Kershaw, but mostly he’ll come in late as pinch hitter and for defense. Like last year.

  3. Macdog said, on March 31, 2021 at 7:47 am

    Zags without question are the best team in the tourney, I’ll be shocked if they don’t win it all. As Wille said, they destroyed USC last night and they’re a fun offense to watch. I thought Michigan with all their size would’ve given them a tough game, but boo-hoo, they lost to UCLA. It’ll be interesting to see if UCLA tries to slow it down vs. Zags like they did vs Michigan, squeezing every second out of the shot clock before chucking one up.

    Wille, I saw a good bit of Stanford comeback, wow, what a second half. What’d they miss, only 3 shots? L’ville didn’t know what hit ’em.

    Yes, one more “sleep” to go, and yes, the night opener is annoying. Same for the Mets, the NY team I’m far more interested in who open in DC at night.

    • willedav said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:05 am

      Stanford is fun team to watch (love motion high post offense with back cuts); the back up C Prechtel got them going off bench and then Williams Jones and Lexie Hull finished the Ville off. 30 points in last quarter, unheard of. I like their deep bench that can be versatile depending on what other team does, and play big or small. South Carolina with athletic bigs will give them trouble, especially if they can’t clear defensive boards to get out and run and posts are in foul trouble. Great HOF coaching match up.

    • willedav said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:10 am

      Always amazed and impressed by all East Coast Flap connections who stay up til all hours to catch games on left coast. Hell, sometimes I can’t even stay awake long enough to see end of game, and I’ve got 3 hour advantage over y’all.
      Sucks Nats open at night too!

      • djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 9:19 am

        Then there were the old days of 11:00 PM starts on the east coast and the only updates you could get were every half hour on the all news radio stations. Then next morning’s paper usually didn’t have the result or box score.

      • James said, on March 31, 2021 at 9:37 am

        I followed the 1987 playoffs via the International Herald Tribune while cycling around Turkey and Israel. Talk about delayed access to the precious box scores. I don’t remember if we managed to get a paper while heading down the West Bank.

      • gianthead said, on March 31, 2021 at 10:53 am

        And waiting up watching Headline News on CNN for the scores…

      • gianthead said, on March 31, 2021 at 10:54 am

        I need to hear more James about cycling through Turkey…mother isb Turkish…I was last there in 2017. Would have been back last year but for covid…

  4. alleykat69 said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:58 am

    Zags have destroyed every opponent double digits wins in everyone, 96 total in 4 straight, they have 4 NBA to be drafted players,and average 50% of their points in the paint besides knocking down 3’s.They are well coached by Mark Few who is still underrated to some because he hasn’t won it all, that will change when they cut the nets down against Baylor my other team in what should be a great game in a track meet but Zazs have to many weapons to lose and will go undefeated.
    Different ERA then The Running Rebels, The great UCLA teams,Indiana,North Carolina as DickVital would say :Those teams are awesome baby! But Zags will have to rate up there with the best alltime in the present run of dominant basketball..

  5. Carstie Clausen said, on March 31, 2021 at 9:42 am

    Shaky start? Foghorn posted the 26-man and the re-assignees. Bad decisions on Dominic Leone and Nick Tropeano, who got sent down, while Wandy Peralta made the list. No big surprise on Gott off the list, even though he pitched not too badly in ST.

    TWO injuries from Oakland pitchers. Besides Yaz, LaStella was hit by a pitch and appears to be day to day. Alex Wood is on the I.L., hopefully not for long. This makes shaky Sanchez the #5 starter. Aaron was not effective in S.T., so it looks like game five might become a giveaway. Peralta in the third or fourth?

    These first couple of series looked to be the Giants chance for a relatively good start…Now the clouds have rolled in. Hitters and bullpen might need to come through big-time.

    • gianthead said, on March 31, 2021 at 10:58 am

      I say Stix we go with my idea if a lefty set of relievers as openers in Game 3 and would have kept Leone or Trop instead of Sanchez as a long reliever to come in after a lefty opener…

      • Carstie Clausen said, on March 31, 2021 at 12:23 pm

        Game three? Shirley, you jest. Scheduled starter for game three is our Webb-slinging Spider-man. In 17 ST innings his 0.50 ERA topped MLB. His K-BB ratio was stratospheric. Ground-ball to fly-ball ratio also very positive. Perhaps you meant game five, where the presumed starter would be Aaron Sanchez, he of doubtful ST performances.

  6. gianthead said, on March 31, 2021 at 10:49 am

    Michigan losing cost me my chance at winning this GD pool…can still come in second. Gonzaga is legit in my mind but Baylor may be much tougher than I thought going in. Seems like they play at a whole different speed. Houston will have to figure out how to slow them down. But Gonzaga vs. Baylor could be an all-time great final…Michigan had lay-up after lay-up they could not convert and terrible shot to take the lead down just one they have one of the tall white kids shoot a GD 3 when they just need to get the ball inside and potentially get fouled.

  7. Winder said, on March 31, 2021 at 1:34 pm

    It’s riskier to open the season in Seattle than it is in the bay area this time of year. Seattle’s weather say’s it’s supposed to be good until Sunday. But just like here in Oregon you never know. I just hope we can take the series and get out to a good start.

  8. chipower9 said, on March 31, 2021 at 1:52 pm

    Zags are the real deal. They beat every opponent, except one, by double digits. I will be very surprised if they do not win it all.

  9. zumiee said, on March 31, 2021 at 3:42 pm

    With the funky NBA schedule due to Covid, the Kings have to play the Spurs in San Antonio tonight after defeating the Spurs in San Antonio two nights ago. That’s not ideal for getting two wins against the Spurs.

  10. snarkk said, on March 31, 2021 at 3:59 pm

    ’72 – ’74 UCLA teams would beat anybody, I’ll submit best college team of all time.
    Walton, Wilkes, Larry Farmer, Marques Johnson, Greg Lee, Swen Nater, LarryHollyfield.
    Walton scored 44 in the Final game in ’74.
    UCLA teams with Kareem were also top notch, would beat most teams of today.
    Nobody in college today could handle a college aged Kareem…

    • Flavor said, on March 31, 2021 at 4:37 pm

      interesting to compare. Back then they all played 4 years. Now, best teams have a gaggle of 1 and done’s. So even just from that standpoint I bet you’re right.

  11. djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 4:41 pm

    Kareem’s the G.O.A.T.
    After that take your pick: Wilt, Oscar, MJ, LBJ, Magic, Russell
    If I’m starting a team – my choice is Kareem…

    • snarkk said, on March 31, 2021 at 6:24 pm

      When Wilt was young, he was unreal.
      The athleticism on the old vids jumps out.
      But, he didn’t age well in the NBA game.
      No comparison btwn Kareem’s shooting and unstoppable SkyHook with Wilt’s eroded shooting skills later on.
      But, I would have loved to see Wilt and Russel deal with Shaq. I think they would have schooled him…

  12. alleykat69 said, on March 31, 2021 at 7:14 pm

    Jabber has said that Nate Thurmond was toughest center he ever played against and easily the most effective against me.He was so physical and he expected you to sweat as much as he did for 48 minutes.
    Another fact about Nate the Great, on April 4,1967 he held Wilt Chamberlain SCORELESS!!
    How the hell can that happen to Wilt who scored 100 points in a game!
    RIP Nate u will always be remembered by me as a downright HOF Stud!!

    • djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 7:22 pm

      Might’ve been the year Wilt decided he wanted to lead the league in assists…

      • willedav said, on March 31, 2021 at 7:39 pm

        he in did lead league in assists, but the year after. 66-67 was year they beat Warriors and Rick Barry for title. 67-68 was year they lost to Celts, the Havlicek stole the ball series.

      • alleykat69 said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:01 pm

        Are the year he banged his highest percentage of woman as was just worn out..

      • djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:08 pm

        Good theory, Kat!
        Wilt banged ’em – Magic “accommodated” them (his word)…

      • djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:37 pm

        I’m real good at accommodating myself…

  13. zumiee said, on March 31, 2021 at 7:36 pm

    I love Kareem. He was my basketball hero when I was growing, and I rooted for him throughout his basketball career. He’s also gone on to do great things after his basketball career. He’s been a huge supporter of education and civil rights.

    • willedav said, on March 31, 2021 at 7:40 pm

      In those days freshmen couldn’t play college ball. think it happened to Walton too.

  14. zumiee said, on March 31, 2021 at 7:41 pm

    The NCAA stupidly outlawed dunks for several years because of Kareem’s dominance.

  15. djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 7:46 pm

    I think Kareem might’ve been the first athlete to have a farewell tour, where you get idiotic gifts from the teams you tormented for 20 years…

  16. djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:15 pm

    I wonder if Big Flavor knows who will celebrate a birthday tomorrow?

    • Flavor said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:20 pm

      he does not…..

      • djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:21 pm

        Hint: It’s a she, not a he…

      • alleykat69 said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:30 pm

        I would guess the Woo-Hoo girl but I forget her handle name🤦‍♀️

      • djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:33 pm

        No, not Ferrethead, Kat.
        This lady is only turning 17…

      • djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 9:04 pm

  17. Carstie Clausen said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:17 pm

    For the first time in half of forever, the Giants farm system, particularly with its position players, makes the top third in 30-man prospects. Currently rated as the 5th best hitting squad in the NL, it’s starting pitching in particular and pitching in general where pipeline production is sorely needed. Help is on the way.

    Expectations are that this year the logjam may break down a bit, with right-handed starters Sean Hjelle and Tristan Beck likely to sip a cup of coffee or better—depending on how the patchwork rotation plays out. Hjelle is generally rated as a #4 starting prospect, while Beck is projected to be “mid-rotation” capable.

    Get ready for the torrent next season. In ’22 no fewer than a half-dozen pitchers are expected to make their debuts. Leading the pack and expected to rate as a #1 or #2 is southpaw Seth Corry, a highly rated 22 Y.O. who is fifth among all SF’s prospects. Relief is just a 21Y.O. away with late-innings reliever Gregory Santos, #13 on the overall top 30. A probable 4th or 5th starter is 22 Y.O. Kai-Wei Teng, who would be the Giants first Taiwanese national. He rates #18 overall. 23 Y.O. righty Blake Rivera, currently listed as #19 is slated as high as a #3 starter.Though listed as prospect #24, Camilo Doval, 23, comes armed with a killer fastball and rated at a top of the line 75 in that category. Doval is being eyed as closer material. At the bottom of the class of ’22 is 23 Y.O. Caleb Kilian, a RHP who is rated as another #4 starter prospect. So four upside starters could conceivably make the 2022 rotation into something quite other than the current array. A closer and a set-up man could buttress the relief corps.

    A couple years down the line three more hurlers may be ready for The Show. The most highly rated, at #15 overall among the top 30 is 22 Y.O. southpaw Nick Swiney. Armed with a killer yakker, Swiney could project as a starter or a high impact reliever. Kervin Castro, a flexible possibility for either starter or relief roles, as a RHP is yet another 22 year-old. Rounding out the class of ’23 pitchers is Trevor McDonald, a mere lad of 20, who slates as a probable #4 starter.

    Finally, the Class of 2024 and the team’s #8 overall prospect is a Bay Area De La Salle high school 19 Y.O. kid who was the Giant’s #1 prep prospect in the most recent draft, Kyle Harrison. Currently Kyle projects as an ace, a deuce or a trey as a starter. The big signing bonus he received is an indicator of the team’s appreciation of his potential.

    With a huge pile of cash off the books at the close of the current season, the Giants are expected to dive deep into the free-agent market—or possibly be inclined to snag a relatively high-end starter before the trade deadline. Progress of the top 30 prospects, particularly in the position player category where the team is loaded with outfielders in the pipeline, could determine, along with a proven veteran or two, whether a quality starter could be wearing orange and black before the end of July.

    A whole raft of ifs are involved, nevertheless, should Logan Webb live up to his ST performance when the games are for real and if one of the other four is retained due to high level performance AND if the Giants pick up a reliable rotation piece in trade or free-agency; next year’s flood of moundsmen should make SF competitive, at least for the #5 playoffs slot and who knows, tomorrow’s listing of the top 18 position players may well augment the staff to the point where just maybe, los Gigantes might be able to take on the NLW’s Big Two down in SoCal and give them a real run for the money.

    The battle of the Giants vs the SoCal Titans should be huge in ’23, as no fewer than ELEVEN position players in the pipeline slate to be ready for The Show. So enjoy the struggles ensuing beginning with tomorrow night’s opener in Seattle, because its more than slightly likely that considerable help is on the way over the next two seasons.

    • djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:31 pm

      Look what we get free of charge here.
      Just tremendous.
      Let’s hope we’re cultivating the next Tim, Cain, Bum and not Ainsworth, Foppert, Williams…

      • alleykat69 said, on March 31, 2021 at 9:14 pm

        Williams claim to fame wearing Puka Shells instead of the usual gold bling necklace..

      • Winder said, on March 31, 2021 at 10:13 pm

        Thanks for that Stix, that is truly encouraging. The future is looking bright even if the ball doesn’t bounce our way this year

    • djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:39 pm

      I was once sky high on Dick Estelle…

      • djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 9:06 pm

    • djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 8:44 pm

      Your 2021 Giants:
      “Enjoy The Struggle”
      I think I can get behind that!

    • willedav said, on March 31, 2021 at 9:03 pm

      Like to take closer look at what level some of these guys are going to be this season, especially potential SPs, biggest area of need. Once Giants get through 2021 they can figure who/when rest of prospects can help.
      No minor league games for another month, til May.

  18. alleykat69 said, on March 31, 2021 at 9:10 pm

    Holy shit!!
    Lindor and the Mets agree to a 10 year 341 million deal!

  19. zumiee said, on March 31, 2021 at 9:24 pm

    “I think Kareem might’ve been the first athlete to have a farewell tour, where you get idiotic gifts from the teams you tormented for 20 years…”

    From what I’ve read, he didn’t want it, and was mostly embarrassed by it all, but he did really dig a couple of the gifts because they were so cool. The Warriors gave him a sailboat, I think, and another team gave him a Harley.

    • djloo27 said, on March 31, 2021 at 9:28 pm

      Both gifts designed to send him far away, Zum…

      • zumiee said, on March 31, 2021 at 9:29 pm


    • unca_chuck said, on April 1, 2021 at 1:35 pm

      Met Kareem briefly at the Caprice in Tiburon. Must have been around ’77, having lunch when I was still talking to my dad. He loved that place. Talked quickly about Wilt and Nate while checking in for a table. Thought it was kinda odd Jabbar was alone.

      Did the traditional cocktails on the deck at Sam’s and a seagull shit on my dad’s head and shoulder. Got a good laugh out of that.

  20. Macdog said, on March 31, 2021 at 9:38 pm

    Loo, I don’t know if he was first, but Dr. J got the farewell-tour treatment a couple years before Kareem:


  21. mrsprtdude said, on March 31, 2021 at 11:10 pm

    Bummer. WE need a star, and was hoping SF would go big on Lindor!

    • djloo27 said, on April 1, 2021 at 3:59 am

      I don’t think the Giants are giving out a 9 figure deal any time soon…

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