Crapping On Arizona
Grave Duggar, Slater, Vosler…Just how Zaidi drew it up.
LA taught us a hard lesson last weekend. It would be nice to show up for this series and compete…..
This Vosler thing could be a thing. Now that he’s gotten the bomb out of the way in a low pressure game let’s see what he can do against the Dodgers. Dude does have power. LA going with a bullpen game to start Game 1…..
Saw this today. Pretty incredible.
A Place To Talk About Giants Baseball 
Back in the old days, batters caught a lot of grief if they had a lot of strike outs.
Craziness. I had been texting with some friends and when the score went 4-0 and Cueto was struggling his ass off, I said well, may be another day to pull the rabbit outta the hat and provide another comeback win. And then I went to do some work (working a part-time gig in addition to my regular job). Checked the score as I was getting ready to go to bed and saw they rallied.
We need to take at least two from the bums, IMO, and keep beating shit teams like Zona.
Imagine that, Kingman was a man ahead of his time. And what the hell is TTO%?
i think it’s the % you do 1 of 3 things: strike out, walk or bomb
Thanks.
Yep, Flav covered it:
The concept of focusing on Three True Outcomes – home runs, strikeouts, and walks – has been around for close to 20 years now, and as major league front offices have gone more and more SABRmetric, the judgment that it is important has become almost universal.
I love Kingman and was pissed when we got rid of him.
After last week’s beatdown, the bar is pretty low for me this series. Win one game. Don’t get swept.
Kingman was awful to watch. Remember his early days as a Giant rook–guy could run and steal bags, and watching him at 3b was an adventure if you sat in lower boxes on first base side.
Man what an unpredictable W last night. Good for Vosler, maybe he can help given some regular ABs; who knows how long Belt will be out before he’s healthy enough to play again. Flores supposed to be back Saturday when Giants will get LHP Urias and Kershaw last 2.
I always liked Kingman. Yeah, he whiffed a lot, but those homers were a sight to behold. That was a fun era for MLB.
A lot like Jack Clark.
Webb is supposed to be back to pitch Saturday too. Notice in lots of minors games SPs don’t go very far, 3-4 innings tops usually. Beede last start he only went 2 innings, maybe because of pitch count. He’s supposed to be eligible to come off IL by next month. Where would he fit?
Was Cueto more bad or just unlucky without getting balls smashed off walls? Either way 2 less than encouraging outings in a row.
Beating chump teams ain’t that easy either–A’s dropped back to back games vs. Mariners before winning one.
they should turn Beede into a 1 inning relief man. Have him just throw gas, that could fix our BP a little
Don’t look now but that’s also 8 consecutive scoreless innings from pen. 2 days in a row SP went only 5, and pen guys shut out DBax rest of the way. That Rogers pitch that handcuffed Marte for strike 3 was amazing.
“i think it’s the % you do 1 of 3 things: strike out, walk or bomb”
It gets referred to as “true outcome” for some reason. Strange term.
Nice comeback last night but I still don’t know how Rogers wiggled off the hook in the 9th. Some serious Houdini shit there. It looked to be a foregone conclusion that AZ would at least tie the game.
And that prodigious homer from Slater has to be the fourth or fifth time in his brief career that he’s hit a tape measure shot. What a bomb last night. He doesn’t look all that powerful, but he has some pretty solid power. He just needs some consistency, which has been mostly elusive so far.
Agree…consistency and also he is another who is regularly bitten by the injury bug. But hell, that is 3/4 of our team this year.
San Dawg possesses an awesome mid 70’s style Kingman jersey.
Where the fuck is he?
My TTO:
Get drunk
Watch Giants
Sleep
I have a feeling Cueto might not come back to form this year.
Don’t underestimate him.
He battles no matter what the score or how bad his stuff is that day.
But you may be right – I may be crazy…
Yeah, I hope I am wrong. He is a fighter.
it just might be a lunatic you’re looking for.
I’m busy as hell these days, but I lurk from time to time.
Not getting to see many games live, but I LOVE that Graveduggar is making some nice contributions.
The Kingman jersey I have is amazing. It didn’t really get its day in the sun last summer, but this summer it will.
Life will slow down soon and I’ll be back on here in full force in a week or so—I hope all is well with you guys!
Good to see you SanDog. Let’s see that Kingman jersey again when you get a chance.
Hope all is well for you and yours too!
How many agree with this decision
Oracle Park moving to full capacity on June 25
The Giants announced Wednesday that Oracle Park will return to full capacity beginning on June 25, when the A’s come to town for the annual Bay Bridge Series.
Giants management has been very provident in following the local city, county, state Covid guidelines, etc. If they say they are ready to open to full capacity, then giddy the fuck up.
I have been fully vaccinated for over a month and have tickets for Saturday June 26th against the A’s. I am ready to rock and roll!
With everything opening up to ‘normal’ on June 15th I think shit should be fine.
Will be representing at the game tonight. Third one this year and no Posey or Belt in any of them.
I went to a game one day that had a scrubini lineup with Gillaspie batting third. Rough day for the Giants.
Be careful, James.
The sparse crowd for the dodger game really sucked. Mainly because 1/4 of them were dodger fans. And with little action, the crowd was very quiet the whole game. And the whole $15.00 beer thing . . .
The other pisser was the Public House was being used for rapid COVID tests and was closed. Ended up going to Frankie’s down the Embarcadero.
Hope plenty of other SF fans are there with us. We’ll be bringing our own chow, because Dodger Stadium food has always sucked. Maybe a tailgate cocktail to get us going before shelling $$$ on the equally lousy beer selection there.
How much of a beer selection do you think a ballpark should have?
Once upon a time, Yankee Stadium had Ballantine and Shea had Rheingold.
Period.
No one complained…
There was one vendor at Candlestick that served Coor light that tasted like butter. Always hated that one.
But it was Bud or Coors for decades.
I think our best chances against the Dogs are game 1 with Wood and game 4 with Gasman.DeScaffolding/Buehler and Webb/Urias don’t favor us at all.
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this play
Heads up play no doubt, but why didn’t the first baseman just backup a couple feet and step on first? The run would of never scored..No wonder the Pirates suck so bad..
I think it was the Reds series there where there was a pickle between 1st and 2nd, with 2 out, and it took so long the Giants runner from third scored before the tag out, the Reds just didn’t even pay attention to the guy heading home. The level of baseball smarts is not the greatest these days. On contra, nice play by Baez, I’ve never seen one quite like that. Clever, persistent. I’ll take him on the Giants roster…
Yep. The Reds didn’t even look at the runner on 3rd. This is just idiotic. Take one steop back, inning over. But no, guy wants to be cute and get a run-down going?
Kingman may have hit the highest home runs in SF Giants history.
“Highest” meaning moonshot type.
His pop ups were sub-orbital.
Confirms his uppercut would be prized in today’s analytics.
He was generally reported then and later as being an A-hole to more than a few folks, as is known to old time Giants fans like us, but he was ours. His HRs were bright spots in a generally bleak period of Giants history…
Dave Kingman,Jack Clark&Chili Davis were all up in the Bigs by the time they were 19-21 years old and raking with big numbers by their second to 3rd seasons.Don’t see that anymore, hell Ramos is 23 and still can’t break thru.Different times but how long do you really need to wait?
Kingman liked Willied mentioned, was one guy you had to keep a eye on when your in the stands, I was on the first base side when one of his lazer wild throws from 3rd into the stands,had my section scrambling for cover, he had no idea how to play 3rd are any other position actually, but watching his power to hit long HR’s were worth admission..
The Ripper&The Jamaican Wonder were 2 of my alltime favorites back then.Both hard asses, played with pure passion,did not take any shit.Dodger catcher Mike Scoisca once said,” Chili Davis was the toughest guy he ever faced with a collision at home plate my teeth even rattled”
Still hope Ramos will be the first home grown, REAL legit OFer for the Giants in about 4 decades. For somebody who grew up with Giants’ outfields being just brimming with talent, the drought has been far too long. Chili was probably the last home grown OFer that had substantial skills in all areas of the game. Mind boggling to me that a team couldn’t even by accident generate an OFer of real substance in that time frame…
All these muscle pulls and strains — not just happening to the Giants.
I’m wondering if all these guys from the minors onward are just yoking up with too many weights all the time.
Power is prized = bigger contracts. Muscle bound and tight, regardless that they do stretching or yoga to mitigate.
No idea about PEDs use, supposedly down…
Crazy times, I don’t think a player are a trainer knew a hamstring was part of your body in the 60’s 70’s.
Probably thought it was a ham sandwich with string cheese..
Maybe I’m misremembering as Dubya used to say, but I don’t think in the Golden Age that guys were constantly straining and pulling muscles to this extent. Maybe somebody’s done a study. Popping greenies and playing through hangovers were major then, though we didn’t know until later. Mays may never have lifted in his career anything heavier than a bat. Training has never been as scientific and pervasive as now, but here we are. Tons of Tommy John elbows, strained obliques, calves and hammies. I never heard of an oblique until sometime in the last decade. Maybe guys are swinging for the fences more now or using heavier lumber — no idea. Athletes now are bigger and allegedly better now than ever, but the game IMO is not near as good as before…
Yes totally agree it’s been decades for an organization that use to crank out great outfielders regularly Snarkk!
The best outfield I had the pleasure to watch was Matthews LF, Maddox CF, Bonds RF ..Power&Speed no baseballs ever even found a gap against those 3 they were so good,(fastest OF ever)I would rank those 3 against anybody’s best alltime. And of course the Giants didn’t get it and eventually traded all 3 away.Stupid is as Stupid does..
The Giants had outfielder Brian Reynolds, who is legit, but traded him to the Pirates for not even one full season of McCutcheon. Pretty much the last hurrah of the Sabean/Evans era, who had huge success earlier, but had really left the Giants barren by then.
Sabes got us 3 trophies, then pretty much left a clear cut across the Giants system for his successors to deal with from end 2016 onward…
Sabean: 2
Bumgarner: 1
And let’s not forget Bart Ramos Luciano Hjelle and other at top of prospect food chain were Sabes draftees. Z may be the one to get most out of them, but he didn’t draft them.
Not forgotten at all.
They haven’t done shit, yet…
Have fun and be careful tonight, James. Bring us a win, brother!
I have a question on all of the injuries this year. Don’t we have like 27 trainers, nutritionists, masseuses, acupuncturists, a Buddhist Monk, and a handful of yoga trainers in our clubhouse?
Given this, WTF is up with all the pulled/strained muscles, etc.???
Prevailing narrative seems to be lack of baseball activity 2020. Brisbee had column in Athletic today–it’s not just Giants, despite aging roster.
What was John Kruk’s comment–“I’m not an athlete, I’m a baseball player.”
fwiw, Sabes drafted GD 2015 out of Clemson in 6th round.
Last time I checked, Ramos was doing well at Richmond, but it’s been a couple of weeks. He looks legit to me, but you just never know until he gets to the majors. His off-field power is impressive and he looks to be solid defensively. The Giants are beyond overdue to hit on some of their position prospects. Was Posey the last really good homegrown guy? It used to be a regular occurrence in SF, but not any more.
To be fair, it’s something of a myth that weight training causes flexibility issues. Done properly, which we should all fully expect in professional sports with all the talented fitness and strength coaches on every team across all sports, building strength through a full range of motion actually helps in that regard. It may come down to the sheer explosiveness of modern athletes, putting undue strain on joints, tendons, ligaments, etc. And as willied said, the past couple of years, in particular, have seen a reduction in off-season activities. That can’t be helping.
That was a great outfield, Kat, and it didn’t take the Giants long to break it up. Think of what they could’ve done if they’d kept them together. Lot of questionable personnel moves in ’70’s.
Stoneham had his own ideas and a lot of em were bad. Who the fuck was Sadecki
Padres lost to the Brewcrew today in 10. We go into the series with la bumbinos tonight all tied at 30-19, a game behind the friars.
Sure would be sweet after Wood gets his fake W/S ring tonight that he goes out and dominates the Dogpile..
Ha, definitely. More than capable too–one bad pitch beat him last time and he shut them down after Taylor bomb. That guy seems to torment us.
Loo, re beer selection, personally, I’d be happy with a lone generic imported German lager from any of the Fatherland’s local breweries. No ersatz Belgian inspired crap or endless arrays of IPAs needed.
During a visit to the Huntington today, one of the ushers gave me a shout out for the Giants cap. I mentioned we’d be at the game tonight. His response was “Be careful!”, my third warning today. I guess I won’t be wearing my cap tonight …
Maybe Posey’s hockey helmet would be more appropriate..
Let’s rumble…
1. Austin Slater (R) CF
2. Mike Yastrzemski (L) RF
3. Donovan Solano (R) 2B
4. Alex Dickerson (L) LF
5. Evan Longoria (R) 3B
6. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
7. Curt Casali (R) C
8. Jason Vosler (L) 1B
9. Alex Wood (R) P
ah good. Posey sitting for another unimportant game.
DNP Sunday vs. Dodgers, no game Monday, and now this. I don’t get it.
I assume he’s hurting. Of what, I’m sure the Giants will be obtuse.
There is no other reason I can think of, barring a bereavement, that he would sit after two days off between the games…
How many games would you expect him to play out of 4, which are followed by 2 more Mon-Tues at home vs. Angels at home in SF? My guess is he plays 4 of the 6. And I’ll disagree on level of importance in May.
If he’s not hurt, I’d expect him to play tonight, the pivotal game of the series, with Wood going as they’d have a real shot at a win…
Gaah! There’s protecting Posey and then there’s bubble-wrapping the motherfucker. Still no Duggar. Slater better get going tonight.
They should all-in on this game with Wood going.
Why Posey caught yesterday was just stupid.You have your hated rival for 4 games and you let him catch against a shit team like Arizona on getaway day when you need your best LU going?
Kap is telling the players that rivalries and statement wins are strictly for the fans. One win or loss doesn’t mean any more than another. 162 games. No hitter is as bad as Casali’s numbers show, they have to get better, Buster isn’t going to put up a 1000+ OPS, and his stats have been sliding.
I’m sure all of you are now convinced.
He’s also trying to manage entire team over course of 162, not just 4 games anywhere against whomever.
Until it does. That’s bullshit, James. Division games mean more than non-division games. Teams that you are battling for standings mean something more than playing a cellar-dweller. AZ is not a contender. LA is. You don’t win pennants in May but you can lose them. It’s short-sighted to give games away like this. Yeah, it’s early, but you don’t want to lose 6 to the Doggs to start the season.
OK, since Posey PT has become an issue, how about we go over the elephant in the room I’ve seen on every Giants online column—–should Kapler be using Posey at 1b to get bat in lineup more often with Belt out for who knows how long?
Flores is coming back, and he was the first choice against lefties going into the season. He’s also due for a nice streak. Vosler will get a few games to prove he’s the player they thought he’d be.
Unless he’s hurt he should certainly be at first at this point.
NO. The idea that 1st is a break is ludicrous.
When Stoneham owned the Giants it was a worst-case scenario for Giants fans; Stoneham relied on the Giants for his main source of yearly income. Yikes. A fan really doesn’t want a team owner to be relying on the team for the main source of that owner’s yearly income.
Should the Giants groom Bart to be a first baseman? His hands are probably soft and good enough to play the position. Patrick Bailey, by all accounts, is a better defensive prospect than Bart and if he shows any offensive ability at all will then need to be in the line-up (maybe next season) and Bart can’t sit on the bench when Bailey plays.
I agree, for now, Posey needs to be at 1B a bit more, but I bet the Giants have discussed this with him and he probably feels he’d rather sit a bit more rather than play first base.
Bart needs to show a LOT more pop to be in the running for 1st base. No idea what a fielder he is.
Bart gets no love for those 2 triples he hit last season. 🙂
He only had 3 walks in 111 plate appearances in MLB last season. That needs to improve a lot.
It’s early but Bart is off to great start in Sac. Few bombs, high BA OPS over 1.000 iirc.
Came out of game Thursday with groin issue and hasn’t played since. Dunno if he will play tonight or not.
I don’t think Posey will ever play first base again.He obviously just wants to catch it’s in his DNA until he slides into the DH role which is inevitable unfortunately..
Kap is FOS. There is a mental aspect to the game. You can’t just beat shitty teams and think you’re good. Naturally you want to compete against the best and win to confirm you aren’t just a middling team able to beat shitty ones. To continue to not send out his best players to face LA is weird and dumb.
Agree 1000%.
First game in LA of four is pivotal. If they win, it sets up a decent result for the four.
If they lose, it’s “uh oh” time.
Wood on the bump means they have a good shot to win. Unless Posey is hurt, sitting him is BS. He did not play last Sunday, and had the day off Monday. He can’t play three nights in a row, after two days off? That’s just sending up a pussy white flag, especially with all the injuries to other guys. Johnny Bench would be playing tonight vs LA; Yogi would be playing all the next phucking four if this were a BoSox series — on D-Day he was Navy in a small rocket fire cover boat just off Omaha Beach shooting rockets at Nazi machine gun nests– to him a few games in a row catching was a cakewalk. If you want to be a HOFer, then play and lead like one…
I get that Kapler needs to monitor these old farts for a long season, but do against shit teams then either the Dodgers are Padres..
exactly. Stop doing it against the good teams. That’s just common fucking sense.
Price is going, he’s a lefty, makes even more sense for Posey to play.
At some point, throw out the phucking iPad from the trainer and let a team leader play…
Matt Wisler has come off the bereavement list.
All Giant fans just went on it…
Lulz…
Man I want to elevate this one to POTD so bad.But I feel like it’s still just a touch too early to move on from the aged POTD–a POTD that speaks to us on so many different levels.
1976 Sports Illustrated piece about Kingman and Schmidt – HRs & Ks…
https://vault.si.com/vault/1976/05/03/its-either-a-clout-or-an-out
All teams win 50 games,All teams lose 50 games it’s what you do in the other 62 games that separates the winners from the losers.And you have to kick ass at home in your 81 games and just play .500 on the road will generally get you the division title are W/C spot..
Don’t believe it, Kat.
You can’t determine which 62 games are the “other” ones…
Looks like there might be 3,000 people in the park at game time…
If Slater wore glasses, he could pass for about a half dozen Giants of the 80’s…
fucking excellent call but still not quite enough to dethrone the aged POTD
Tô bad his last name isn’t Verlander..
Fat fuck gets a double
You should work for Yahoo Game Channel, Chuck…
I don’t see comparing modern catchers to Yogi Berra. When Yogi played, games often lasted about 2 hours, and there were less hard throwers causing as many foul balls off of catchers. Granted, Yogi’s catcher’s mitt and gear was crap compared to what catchers have today.
Yogi has 2150 career hits. I think 2000 hits would make Posey a slam-dunk Hall of Famer. He needs a few more seasons of compiling, though.
He also may need to play a few more games.
Casali isn’t even hitting Willie Pep’s weight…
Has Posey ever played 3 days in a row entire season? Kapler has a plan and he’s sticking to it. Looks like it’s working well for Posey so far the way he’s hitting. Zero reason to change it unless Posey opts in or out for some reason–btw isn’t he only one of BC not to be injured so far?
it’s not a coincidence.
He has not…
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=poseybu01&t=b&year=2021
That’s some strict limit on Price, he couldn’t stay in for one more batter to strike out Wood.
What happened to Price?
Dave Roberts was NOT a “good Giant”.
Krukow has become a jukebox of moronic platitudes…
earlier tonight: “that’ll put spice on the hot dog”; more recently: “that’ll take the mustard off the hot dog.”
Bart at Sac so far, 37 ABs total:
.351/.400/.676 for 1.076 OPS 3 doubles 3 HRs 3 BBs 12 Ks
Bart probably used a walker to go to dinner in Sacramento tonight.
Pen game, Clown
Odd to pull him with Wood up tho.
Hope it bites them I. The ass
Oh well
On the field for the Giants, Roberts basically was a bust. TF used to doggedly defend Roberts for some reason. I never could figure out the reason.
Shite
Speaking of hated, Dodgers Turner tops current the list.
It does seem “interesting” how the Dodgers took a string of journeyman players who then turned into All-Star HR hitters.
yeah, dem bums be cheatin. Bauer’s under mlb investigation, everyone else except Mookie is overachieving (at length, but still. . . .). What right do they have to gripe about the Astro-isks?
I’ve never seen a fatter pitch in my life.
Eddie Gaedel would’ve hit that out…
Yeah Just because of that freaking pine tar shit across the back of his uniform between the T&U which bugs me to no end.Should not be allowed, I just wonder when there’s a conference on the mound, Bauer are any other pitcher are rubbing Turner’s shoulder for extra pine tar on their fingers..
Hey nice bomb by Longo to cut it to 2-1..
How in the fuck is Casali still on this team?
Tromp doesn’t have as much experience with pitchers, Bart’s an actual defensive liability, Bailey’s green, and they let the estimable Vogt get away.
Checking in, the one comment I thought I’d see was “Duggar would’ve had it.”
I was thisclose…
Ha, I did think that. Bring home a winner.
That’s how u beat the shift
Sonnie barrels one!
I would take this over Casali…
More practical than Casali any day..
And a much better hitter…
Barreling up Donovan to tie this up!
Not for long…
Jesus all that work to tie it up for nothing!