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Brandon Crawford is 34 and it’s June 9th and he is already tied for the second most bombs he’s had in a season. Not bad for someone we all thought was a Bore Core Donzo.
Wet Sock Man sure packs a punch at the right time for a .190 hitter, eh?
And I know it’s time to get start excited about the Giants when we begin to get road rep from Flap vets:
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Tough loss.
Zaidi sitting on his hands with this closer situation is going to bite this team in the ass. Huge loss blowing it like that. FUCK.
Uh-huh.
Shocking.
0-2 ahead, and McGoo throws a fastball cookie.
Really bad loss. This Pen needs help…
So much for the odds u called it Snarkk! Fuck this loss should of never happened!!
McGoo got a gift out, and still could not get through 3 batters without giving it up.
He’s reminding me of Sudden Sam McDowell, who Sucked.
He is a one trick pony, a 7th inning guy, at best…
And Scherzer tomorrow. Better wake the fuck up, Zaidi.
Bullpen hacks up another one. Fuckin’ McGee with a hit-me pitch on 0-2.
Hell, I’d be up for Long to be tried at closer.
Could he do any worse?
He throws gas, AND throws a nasty curve plus a change up.
Not much experience, but the guy may have the cojones for it. Why not?…
Why not indeed? Because he’s young? He looked pretty calm and seasoned out there today and he has three pitches and swing and miss stuff. Give him a shot.
If the Giants settle on a closer who actually can get it done, they are well on their way to at least a WC berth, assuming their starting pitching doesn’t go off the rails…
Not only does Long have good stuff, I watched his outing again and he looks to have a really solid grasp of how to pitch, which isn’t all that common with young guys. I know it’s a small sample size but he looked outstanding today, well beyond his years.
Of course I thought about that Doval first coming up and blowing away hitters, but Long looks more poised, time will tell.I wouldn’t mind seeing what Frisbee has as well up here too.Never even heard of this other guy Sherry? So the Giants must thing highly of him as well, wonder if he gets an inning before getting sent back?
We should’ve learned by now that the FO knows a lot more than us and they’ll figure it out.
Rogers may not be cut out for the “extra innings” closer role but he’s been pretty damn solid…
Yes he has. Do you feel comfortable with him in situations like today’s game?
Not especially…
Well, after simmering down, I can agree there’s no doubt what you say about the FO is true. I think we’ve all developed a lot of confidence in what’s going on with the Giants right now and that’s very cool. I just hate fucking blown saves…
looks like a simple hat touch, right? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.
Why don’t pitchers just load up the spider tack in between innings in the runway to be less conspicuous and out of the camera’s viewing?
Probably because it has to be “refreshed” on the fingers every few pitches or so. I don’t think one application in the dugout would be enough to get through a half inning.
the good news here is we found Long who at least gives us hope after 1 start.
We need a closer that has command of at least two or three pitches. Like loo said earlier everyone throws in the 90’s now.
Heard it’s like 100 degrees in Minneapolis.
Hope Stix is letting the young ones do the heavy lifting.
Padres lost today…
We all thought the pen was a work in progress. Well, I did. It really is. But we definitely know that Mr. McAaaaaargh and Mr. Rogers ain’t the answer. Wisler’s motherless and gone. We ha e seen a ton of guys come in and flail. Whether by trade or call-up they need some different guys. ESP a closer. With a solid pen we would have 8-10 more wins. Kepler has done a great job. As has Farnhan. But just a couple more pieces and we will be in great shape for the long haul.
I can’t remember a loss that we could pin on a starter. They have almost all been pen losses.
That’s mind-boggling and accurate. That would put the G’s at somewhere around 46-15 and pretty much running away with this thing, at least as of right now. That’s why Zaidi needs to get something done and why I need to be more patient, because he’s probably working on it as I type this.
And how the hell did Steph Curry have the phenomenal year he had and end up third in the MVP voting? Seriously, WTF.
That’s where an MVP hopeful gets hurt by the team’s overall record. Sportswriters tend to look at the teams with the best records to find the MVP. They don’t do it that way as much as they used to, but they still do it a lot.
Tough game for wilco to have to sit.thru. gotta believe Farhan is done with this closer vaccum. I don’t follow closers at all but there has to be some available
“With a solid pen we would have 8-10 more wins”
For what it’s worth, I don’t think the analytics support that. Good bullpens are worth a certain amount of wins per season, but only a certain amount, even the greatest bullpens of all time.
The great Mariano Rivera had a career 56 WAR for the Yankees. That averaged out to about 3 wins per season.
A top closer is going to take top prospects, would Z/Harris being willing to do that?
Here’s the top 6 stud closers going right now( and no I’m not including Melonface and Jansen, and all on winning teams which probably makes it even harder to acquire.. no specific order..
Alan Reyes Cardinals
Liam Hendricks Whitesox’s
Matt Barnes Boston
Craig Kimbrel Cubs
Josh Hader Brewers
Ryan Pressey Astros
Anybody in contention with a good closer won’t be giving him up.
I’d like to see somebody from the system come in and take the job. Maybe Farhan has to take a flyer on somebody from the minors. I don’t want him to give up on Bart in a trade to get a closer who is a shot in the dark or sort of a has been, though I’m afraid he may do that. That’s McGoo…
“A top closer is going to take top prospects, would Z/Harris being willing to do that?”
No. None of the teams are going to do that anymore. All the new GMs believe in the “long game” now, planning for the future. A lot of them are fairly young people themselves. And the owners are more patient nowadays. The Steinbrenner types don’t exist in baseball much anymore.
There’s an old (2010) but good short piece on fangraphs by a guy named Dave Cameron defending the use of WAR for evaluating relief pitchers, despite the chronically low WAR numbers for them. It’s an interesting problem. As Cameron explains toward the end: “Remember, this is Wins Above Replacement, and the guy who replaces a closer is generally a pretty good pitcher. “
And some of the really good ones have a relatively short period of years where they’re at their best.
It’s amazing how the Giants used three different closers for each season of the 3-in-5.
Negative WAR for a RP is not a good thing though. And McGee is in negative territory this season.
Pillar with 2 bombs so far tonight. Guy gets his face broken, comes back raking. Total fucking gamer on every level and it’s no surprise as he’s a former Willie Mac winner. Every team should have a Kevin Pillar on it.
Closers are a dime a dozen. They disappear as soon as they soar. We just need someone for this year.
Fuck. Best record in baseball and at last look a week ago we lead NL in blown saves… GRR
Finding a Closer is a crapshoot and I don’t see Zaidi giving up anything of value for a proven one. More likely we’ll see more retreads ala Sergio Leone or the latest all-sideline session guy from the minors who throws straight 99 mph gas, mixing them in with the current motley crew–and hopefully someone gets hot.
Look at Melancon. We tarred and feathered him here—“horrible singing” “damaged goods” “clearly in decline” and rejoiced when Z got someone to take his contract off our hands. From that very moment, he went back to being one of the best closers in the game. Look at the Mets—gave up one of the best prospects in baseball and took on Cano’s godawful contract to get Diaz coming off an all-world season and he threw batting practice his entire first season with them. Now he’s back to being a top guy.
Sparky Lyle ain’t walking through that door. We got who we got, and hopefully they figure it out.
you’ve put a lot in perspective here.. I still say Z knows how to get a closer in peak form. Who would you rather have picking up a closer mid season, Z or dumbass Sabean?
If we had Danny Cater, we could get Sparky Lyle…
Sparky Lyle, last time I saw him was just a few years ago when I was visiting NJ, and he was still there managing the Somerset Patriots in an independent league. He probably *could* walk thru that door, but from what I saw, the door would have to be a double door…. He’s probably not there anymore. Good ol’ small town baseball there, Sparky was a big draw for the fans, funny guy. John, you might know if he’s still there..
Lyle apparently is still involved with the Patriots as manager emeritus, a role he’s held since his final season as manager in 2012. Also, the Patriots are now a Yankees Double-A team.
Oh, I didn’t realize that. Interesting. Hmm. What seems to me to be a few years ago, is more like 10.. sheesh.
san dawg telling us we can’t have nice things
Odd the top of my head I can count 10 blown situations by the collective oen
Yeah closers can be a crapshoot, I wouldn’t say there a dime a dozen though. Farhan could of locked in Hendrix’s from the A’s after he became a F/A this off season but passed, and they would not of being giving up players,and went the cheap route with McGoo, and recent bomb Wisler, though he struck gold with Gausman,Disco&Wood so he’s just biding his time right now,probably with those large contracts on the books and books.And I seriously doubt that he thought they could be this good this year, which is great and maybe a curse as well.We’re stuck with McGoo&Rodgers closing,there not about to hand the reins over to unproven flame throwers with little experience,so enjoy the up and down ride..
Sparky Lyle’s book about his time with the Yankees, “The Bronx Zoo,” is entertaining. In the book, he shows the Yankee players were bonded together more than is commonly thought. One of the things the players sometimes did together was have brutal hockey games in the clubhouse, using a rolled up wad of duct tape as the puck, and bats as their hockey sticks. Lyle says they would have a blast together, but would also sometimes smash each other on the shins with the bats. An unthinkable activity nowadays.
Yeah, relievers are a crapshoot, and our guys are definitely shooting crap. Zumie, you think the pen has only lost 3 games?