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He’s Always Right

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 23, 2021

Maybe this was mentioned on the broadcast or twitter but I certainly can’t recall the Giants winning two games in a row with pinch hit bombs. What Kap is doing is incredible. He’s a decision magician. I don’t feel confident about this team winning games but I’m 100% confident in their ability to stay competitive and for the manager to have the right match ups as the game wears on.

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  1. Flavor said, on August 23, 2021 at 8:13 am

    I have always been a big Donte Hitner fan but didn’t realize how good he was as an in-game color man.

  2. willedav said, on August 23, 2021 at 8:36 am

    As others have said, giants are screwed over by 28 man limit to rosters Sept 1. Sure pitchers can be manipulated by use of IL but they have bunch of position players ready at Sac.
    GD Ramos Davis Estrada Dubon Bart, plus fringe guys like Krizan (Snow fav IF) and Joe McCarthy 1b who has hit well .300 BA/.900 OPS all year. Would be great experience to be part of pennant race down stretch.
    Tauchman btw, was still under Mendoza line last time I looked. ouch

    • djloo27 said, on August 23, 2021 at 10:05 am

      Still think the bigger problem all teams face is the toll that the innings are taking on their pitchers after the abbreviated 2020 season. On the other hand, isn’t it possible that having pitched less innings last year would make you stronger for this season? Less wear and tear?
      Maybe it’s just a case by case thing.
      Who the hell knows?

      • willedav said, on August 23, 2021 at 10:12 am

        might be opposite, Loo—they never built enough strength due to ST being paused and restarted before short season began. But you’re right imo, no one knows what’s up or causing all the injuries, and each guy is different case. Kap has said same thing, he’s just trying to figure out how to get pitching staff through 162.

  3. gianthead said, on August 23, 2021 at 9:11 am

    Giants pulling off two amazing comeback wins against the Albatrosses does not stand close to my two-over back 9 Saturday with my boys with two birdies Dawg!!! I dont think I have had two birdies total in all the years I have played….it was priest Caddyshack level of golf with one 63 foot birdie putt and was just short on birdie putts on the two par 5!!!

    • Flavor said, on August 23, 2021 at 10:25 am

      Nice. Did you see Jordan spieth had back to back eagles the other day. What the fuck was that?

      • sandog said, on August 23, 2021 at 10:45 am

        Nice playing G!

        I played the 18 holer at Balboa Park yesterday (which is a great public course) and shot 5 over on the back after a 49 on the front. I came very close to a super embarrassing swing and miss off the 7th tee. BARELY caught the top of the ball and dribbled a Bjorn Borg forehand just past the white tees. Shook me up a little bit, but I bounced back.
        Gotta stay down and through the ball….

      • gianthead said, on August 23, 2021 at 11:17 am

        Damn no missed that and just reminded me that suspended golf 4th round in Jersey City is being played today.

      • gianthead said, on August 23, 2021 at 11:22 am

        I hear good things about Balboa Park…I got a new driver this spring and tendency I have is to start left off the tee and the unintentional spin on the ball brings it back toward the fairway but if there is a tree or other hazards left off the tee so often comes into play. So moved the ball back in my stance a little and also helps me avoid topping the ball. My trouble all year has been putting. We have a new superintendent at the club and he has intentionally kept the greens long all year to avoid burn out and has changed what is championship level green speeds to slow amd mucky and I have not been able to adjust all year till this weekend finally but still want them to be cut normally.

  4. sandog said, on August 23, 2021 at 11:05 am

    Question for the group—if the Giants hold on and win the division title this year—which I know is still a big challenge—would it be the greatest regular season in the history of the SF Giants all things considered?
    I tend to think it would be.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2021 at 11:14 am

      I’d say yes. 2010 was shocking in that we won it all, but for most of us here anyway, we thought they had a chance to win the West with their pitching staff. Building that pen was their masterstroke.

      • gianthead said, on August 23, 2021 at 11:28 am

        Agreed about the pen…but 2010 also had come after 3-4 very lean seasons so that was extra happiness about how well they played in the regular season especially after Posey came up, got rid of Tits Molina and Bum arrived to along with the young guns in Tim-may, Cain and Jonathan Sanchez was a key piece.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2021 at 11:38 am

        2010 was pretty much the culmination of washing the team of the Bonds stench. At least nationally.

        This year was a complete surprise. Mainly because of the hitting. Everyone else in the league seemed to be taking advantage of the juiced balls, but now we are.

    • gianthead said, on August 23, 2021 at 11:25 am

      Mmmm good question. If it beats 1993 but how that season ended left every Flapper bitter. But it is like the Warriors in the 2015-16 season and won 73 games but then lost to the Cavs in 7 or the Patriots going 16-0 in the regular season amd then losing to the Giants in the super bowl. I think the greatest regular season has to be matched by a World Series win so 2010 to me is the greatest regular season…

  5. unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2021 at 11:10 am

    The GIants? In the Chron it said that no team in the history of the game has had 2 game winning pinch hit home runs in the 8th or later in back to back games.

    • Flavor said, on August 23, 2021 at 11:41 am

      That’s fucking insane

      • djloo27 said, on August 23, 2021 at 11:53 am

        So are your 80-1 shots that always seem to hit the board…

      • Flavor said, on August 23, 2021 at 12:34 pm

        lol thank you

  6. Winder said, on August 23, 2021 at 11:58 am

    It truly is insane. But I am starting to expect stuff like that now.

  7. chipower9 said, on August 23, 2021 at 12:38 pm

    In answer to SanD’s question, I do think this would be the greatest regular season. Shit, I don’t think anyone here had our Giants winning more than 81 or 82.

    No one expected us to compete this year. It was all supposed to be a battle between the bums and friars. SD has faded (cannot count them out)…they are now THIRTEEN games behind us in the West, and a game behind Cincy in the WC, and the Giants have held onto first place and the best record in the majors for damned near a month.

    So yes, if we win the West, it will be the greatest regular season, IMO.

    • willedav said, on August 23, 2021 at 1:01 pm

      Agreed. Winning the division is gonna take about 100 Ws, and beating heavily favored Pads and Dogs to boot as Chi says, when no one expected anything of the sort coming off 29-31. Teams of early 60s had HOF level superstars with fantastic individual seasons but always came up short for one reason or another, and then Stoneham began selling off pieces, guys got old etc.
      Winning division might take a (one game) playoff like 1962 though.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2021 at 1:27 pm

        When there were 8 teams in each league, it was MUCH harder to win the pennant. 1 of 8 compared to 1 of 3 now. But it was also easier for top-flight teams to stay top flight as there was little player movement back then.

        If they had even allowed 2 teams from each 8-team division back in the day, the Giants would have likely won a few more World Series’s’s.

  8. willedav said, on August 23, 2021 at 1:24 pm

    1962 pretty hard to beat though. Giants led league in almost all offensive stats, Mays hit 49 bombs and 1.000 OPS while team hit 204 HRs. Pitching staff had Marichal Sanford O’Dell and Pierce who won 77 games by themselves. Mac hit 20 bombs in 91 games, and was 4th on team.

    • willedav said, on August 23, 2021 at 1:27 pm

      Golden age of baseball for me, NL in 60s. Even bottom feeders (Cubs and Phils) had superstars and Dogs Reds Cards Braves Pirates were loaded. As were the Giants.

      • djloo27 said, on August 23, 2021 at 2:07 pm

        But every team also had so many awful scrubs that us kids thought we were actually better than them at 10 years old…

    • Winder said, on August 23, 2021 at 1:31 pm

      That 62 team will always be the Giants team I loved the most. It was the most thrilling and heartbreaking season of all time for a Giants fan. IMO

    • unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2021 at 2:01 pm

      My first baseball memories were going to Wrigley in 1968 and then going to games at the Stick from 1969 on. ’62 was before my time.

  9. unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2021 at 1:28 pm

    So, in a nutshell, for pure unadulterated surprise, this is the most satisfying regular season in SF Giants history anyway.

  10. Macdog said, on August 23, 2021 at 2:21 pm

    2000 ranks up there for the regular season, it’s the only one in my lifetime that the Giants had the best record in all of MLB. Also 2003, the Giants finished a half-game behind the Braves and Yanks for best record in all of MLB. The difference with those two seasons is the Giants ran away with the division, that’s not likely to happen this season, which would make it all the more impressive if they end up pulling this off and ending the Dodgers’ 8-year stranglehold on the division.

  11. snarkk said, on August 23, 2021 at 2:34 pm

    For me, 2010 will be hard to beat, likely never…

  12. Flavor said, on August 23, 2021 at 3:19 pm

    2010 was all about the post season for me. I think that if they were to win this year nothing would top the 2021 regular season. This has been completely outrageous.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2021 at 4:05 pm

      This team is hands down the most unexpectedly successful one in their 64 year Giants history. Regardless of the outcome.

      • snarkk said, on August 23, 2021 at 6:08 pm

        I’ll agree with that.
        Vegas pre-season W total was around 74-75, or even less and around 40-1 to win the division, depending on the sports book.
        They’ll end up, barring a melt down, likely around 20+ Ws over the predictions. That’s mind bogglingly off for Vegas…

      • Winder said, on August 23, 2021 at 7:10 pm

        I agree with that also

  13. James said, on August 23, 2021 at 3:32 pm

    Greatest regular season? It’s The Field of Unified Theory and Practice. This is what I’ve been waiting to see since I read my first Baseball Abstract in 1983.

  14. Winder said, on August 23, 2021 at 3:43 pm

    One thing I notice is that Kap is making some great decisions kinda like Bochy did to close out 2010.

    • djloo27 said, on August 23, 2021 at 3:52 pm

      The the unfair thing about most managerial decisions is that they’re judged entirely on the result.
      Most things are…

  15. Flavor said, on August 23, 2021 at 4:18 pm

    Padres axe their pitching coach. One thing I learned this season is the importance of coaching and the availability of the players to receive it. The Giants have the largest coaching staff in baseball, all handing out the most cutting edge approach to hitting and pitching. And the players, young and old, have been devouring the info.

    • James said, on August 23, 2021 at 4:32 pm

      That the coaching and preparation have made the kind of difference they have is a revelation. My mantra of it’s all about skill and luck has been interrupted.

      • Flavor said, on August 23, 2021 at 4:35 pm

        i figured once you got to the big leagues there wasn’t much else to do in terms of coaching. But to hear Crawford talk about all this shit I’ve never heard baseball players say before has really opened my eyes. And it’s not just the old guys. Anyone think Ruf or Wade would be doing this on another team?

  16. James said, on August 23, 2021 at 4:54 pm

    Next season, please:


    • James said, on August 23, 2021 at 4:58 pm

      “Some pitchers have complained that, compared with a human’s, the robot’s zone seemed small.”

      Damn straight!

    • Flavor said, on August 23, 2021 at 5:32 pm

      fuck this, get the call right. And yelling about the umpires is the last thing I want to do at a baseball game. Get the fucking call right and move on

      • James said, on August 23, 2021 at 5:48 pm

        The one thing that gave me pause was the increase in walks, albeit in the low minors. The assumption at the major league level has to be that pitchers will be forced to come into the zone more frequently — less “nibbling,” more action.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 23, 2021 at 8:58 pm

        High strikes would get called.

  17. zumiee said, on August 23, 2021 at 6:28 pm

    Krukow mentioned homeplate umps get evaluated by MLB, but they’re allowed a 2-inch cushion all around the strike zone. That’s bogus. That’s accepting cruddy umpiring.

    • zumiee said, on August 23, 2021 at 6:29 pm

      Bring on the electronic strike zone umpiring!

  18. snarkk said, on August 23, 2021 at 6:39 pm

    Some MLB league wide stats for Giants:

    Lead in virtual tie with Toronto with 1 HR every 22.3 ABs; Braves 2nd at 22.7
    1st in Launch Angle
    5th MOST in Total Bases
    5th MOST in sac flies with 28 (surprising to me)
    5th HIGHEST in OPS (.762)
    5th HIGHEST in Barrel %
    7th MOST in Ks
    2nd BEST in Chase % (Doghairs #1)
    4th LEAST in ground outs
    10th MOST in GIDP
    10th LOWEST Whiff % at 25.5 (MLB avg. = 26.1)
    13th HIGHEST in BABIP
    15th HIGHEST in Hard Hit %
    9th MOST in runs scored
    1st LOWEST WHIP (1.12, tied with Doghairs)
    2nd LOWEST ERA (3.29 to 3.07 for 1st Doghairs)…

    • djloo27 said, on August 23, 2021 at 8:58 pm

      I respect the stats, but really just wanna watch the game…

      • djloo27 said, on August 23, 2021 at 9:07 pm

        Homework was never my thing…

  19. djloo27 said, on August 23, 2021 at 9:08 pm

    Flavor succeeds at the track because he does his fuckin homework…

    • djloo27 said, on August 23, 2021 at 9:19 pm

      I used to talk horses with an old guy named Angelo at the bar,
      I’m sure he’s dead now, like almost everyone else I know.
      He claimed that he became a winning horse player when he finally realized that he had to “burn the midnight oil.”
      His theories made sense to me.
      Maybe this is what the 900 Giant coaches are doing.
      Greatest regular season ever?
      A very personal choice.
      For me it was 1982.
      Suck on that one…

  20. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on August 23, 2021 at 9:15 pm

    I’ve had many friends try to get me into investing in the stock market. I tried twice in the past, lost both times, it’s not for me. I understand it can be fun and profitable. I just can’t do the homework necessary to stay on top of it. Numbers and trends elude me. I even had a girlfriend in China break up with me 8 years ago because I didn’t like to talk about the stock market. Didn’t matter, I was going to break up with her because she thought Jesse Pinkman was a horrible human being. Buh bye….

    • djloo27 said, on August 23, 2021 at 9:21 pm

      I despise the fuckin stock market and everything it stands for…

    • djloo27 said, on August 23, 2021 at 9:22 pm

      It’s got nothing to to do with homework.
      It’s a rigged casino.
      Blade may not agree…

      • djloo27 said, on August 23, 2021 at 9:55 pm

        Controlled by the lowest scumbags that Hollywood glorifies in movies.
        Like the mob.
        There’s nothing entertaining about honesty…

  21. mrsprtdude said, on August 23, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    Thanks for the stats Snarkk. I’m to lazy to look them p, but like reading them:)

    I also heard 2 PH homers 9th or later for 1st time in history!

    • djloo27 said, on August 23, 2021 at 10:26 pm

      PH homers aside, a lot of things are happening for the first time in history.
      Because it’s not the game you grew up with…

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