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I’m Just Gonna Let Stix Handle This One….

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 23, 2021
Carstie ClausenNov 22, 2021, 8:06 PM (9 hours ago)
to me, carstie

Flav:  So you want me to talk recipes.  Okay, but first to the team.  One quality which has stood out in recent years, even before Zaidi assumed the reins, has been the organization’s loyalty to the men on the field. By signing Anthony DeSclafani to a three year contract, the Giants not only firmed up the top end of the rotation, but also (as per Farhan) let the baseball world know that rebooting the rotation is a primary goal of the front-office.  The interest in Cobb is interesting, but we’ll see.  A  re-upping of Wood now looks likely.  Still feeling that in lieu of the qualifying offer (which they also did not offer to our returning happy camper) the boys in charge of team composition will also have a long sit-down with Gausman and his agent—talking a contract likely no shorter than that offered today’s returnee.  Should those scenarios come to pass, then a major outside signing like Strohman may not be essential.  If Cobb is inked and with the arrival of Hjelle, the team would have six pitchers who have starter chops.

  Webb is the primo.  Gausman is a very capable #2. Scaffolding in the 3rd spot will ensure some elevation in the top of the rotation.  Wood would be a quality fourth starter. A Cobb/Hjelle mix n’ match for 5 and 6 would proivide needed depth in both the rotation and as longman.  Neither of that pairing would likely be an ego-case, so psychologically they should be able to deal with such a competition and cooperation. You wanna winner, a solid and deep rotation is your starting point.

 Though we all quake at the thought of losing Buster, let’s celebrate for his being honored as NL Comeback Player of the Year.  And man, did he earn it.  Both the pre-game and post-game hours spent in the trainer’s room attested to the likelihood that he was playing in pain.  And then he goes out and has him one helluva season, harkening back to those even years when SF went 3 for 5 as World Champs.  In my book Posey looks to be a virtual shoo-in for the H.O.F.

 Speaking of the Hall, the just released listing includes no fewer than eight candidates for that honor who either were longtime Giants or essentially ended their careers sporting the orange and black. Timmy Terrific is up for his first go-round.  Though his career in SF was basically a last-look, super shortstop Omar Vizquel is also on that listing.  The big one wore #25 and holds some amazing records.  It’s about time that some of those sports writers get over their steroids snits and give the man his due.  There may also be a slight whiff of racism connected to the issue.

  Primarily, the owners needed to get the game back into the limelight after the player strike and lockdown which likely cost Matt Williams the opportunity to slam 50+ homers in that circumcised season.  So they smugly looked the other way when McGwire and So-so had their big fling.  BB25, already a likely HOF candidate, based on his achievements up to that point and projecting into a long career which would elevate his lifetime numbers well into the stratosphere; probably thought to himself that if those two meatheads could bust the Maris and Ruth records, then possessing as he did the best eye-hand coordination of anyone in the history of the game—with the conceivable exception of Ted Williams—he could become the most prolific slugger in baseball history.  So why should those privileged inkslingers keep sucking on sour grapes and finally give his due to Willie Mays’ own godson, Barry Bonds.

 Okay, so I’ll get off baseball and project something more edible, something folks mostly around the mountain South called “Johnny Cakes” (an Americanization of the Shawnee tribe’s fixins which earlier on were called “Shawnee Cakes”.  We’re also talking something closely akin to fritters—some real downhome cookin—even though my own background is the lutefisk and lefse crowd.  In a mixing bowl I toss in some combination of these primaries:  Oat bran, wheat bran, Indian Head cornmeal, masa harina, whole wheat flour, oat flour, barley flour and rye flour.  Usually five from that selection at a time.  Gotta have some Rumford’s or other non alum-based baking powder.  Probably a dash of milk or even half n’ half along with an egg and just enough water to make for a nice stiff batter.

 Now the fun part.  A couple of cousins sharing either half or a quarter Korean ancestry remarked that their heritage too adds other elements to the basic batter.  To date I have employed chunked or chopped tomatoes, either green or ripe, pickled jalapeños, chopped and measured according to personal preference, halved Spanish-style pimento stuffed olives, chopped apple, diced dates and/or figs, crushed walnuts and /or peanuts, pine nuts ,diced dried apricots or mangos, raisins  or craisins,and, of course, chunks of cheese.  Got my hands on some kimchi, so that’s been added in from time to time as well.  In other words there’s virtually a pizza=menu of add -ins.  Oh yeah, I forgot to mention canned salmon.

 During the summer months and through the falling (but not here in the Northwoods—fallen) Fall– the morning combo got dropped into pre-heated peanut oil in a trusty cast-iron skillet atop the wood stove in the mostly gutted but due for replacement starting next spring 106 year old kitchen.  Anyone who has cooked for a year or two and has been around a bit can tell you that the best results when it comes to frying most anything occurs in the cozy confines of a cast-iron skillet—or one of those old-fashioned griddles if you are fortunate enough to possess a stove which can handle such an implement of construction of tasty vittles.

 Cue the table.  No salt need be added to whatever blend you happen to choose, so long as you can come up with some of that thick, dark soy sauce which I happen to prefer as a light dip.  Light because you do not want to overwhelm the cornucopia of flavors.  During those warmer months, three or four breakfasts per week evolved from the top of that wood cookstove.  Now, living in a small-town apartment, there’s this convenient, but not quite so sexy electric range.  So these days it’s down to twice a week doing all that time-consuming prep of that never gets old repast shared with a stout cup of heavy-duty coffee and either a Will Shortz approved NYT crossword puzzle or one from my massive collection of old “Life” magazines.

 Now that the iMac is once again a daily adventure, I’ll often catch some mellow Bluuz over u-tube.  Later on in the day, truly classic 1965-75 rock n’ roll or maybe some easy to digest classical or perhaps even (mood suggesting) some old time Country from the likes of Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson or Merle Haggard, who’s classic about Muskogee. Oklahoma versus San Francisco was penned on a tour bus driving through while he and the rest of his fellow music makers were stoned outta their gourds.

 Ya know, if you happen to be up for it and keep your days busy and interesting, retirement and the aging process can actually be mostly pleasant, an adventure in this rat-race culture where you can own your own time and live according to the feelings of your inner being rather than being caught up in that rat-race world of alarm clocks, deadlines and traffic jams—not to mention the ignominy of being required to get throttled by a necktie.

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  1. Bozo said, on November 23, 2021 at 6:23 am

    Johnny cakes are kinda of a fried corn pancake. think a step down from cornbread and a step up from mush.

    Win 107 games and ya get the band back together, I’m ok with that. A couple more Starters and a couple of bats for the OF and they could have a team built for the season and October.

  2. willedav said, on November 23, 2021 at 6:38 am

    Agreed Bozo. Kap’s cobbled together pitching staff held off Dogs in stretch to win Division and took them to final out of 5 game playoff. No one does complete games anymore and Gausman led team with 192 innings pitched.

    There is such a dearth of quality SPs in baseball, having 4 of them is just beyond anyone’s reach. Nats won 2019 with their 3 aces, and where are they now? Verlander and Scherzer, ancient in terms of baseball age, are gonna command $25-$30 mil.

    • Bozo said, on November 23, 2021 at 6:47 am

      Just think if they could add Robbie Ray. Webb would be your # 2, Wood and Disco and a 5th starter to be named later. That would go a long way in the season and also in 5 and 7 game series.

  3. willedav said, on November 23, 2021 at 6:43 am

    Classic Stix, thanks for sharing Flav.
    kimchi, yuk. South Bay has its own Korea row of restaurants btw Santa Clara and San Jose, with myriad small plates surrounding BBQ. the Cue is delicious but kimchi I can’t handle. I’ve been treated to Shanghai style dumplings at popular restaurant, but some of them had very similar cabbage filling…pass.

  4. Flavor said, on November 23, 2021 at 7:45 am

    I really hope they don’t sign Gasman (and don’t think they will). We got the best year of that guy, it’s important to not pay for what someone did. The league seems to have figured him out and I’m not interested in throwing 50+ mil at him to see if he adjusts back

    • willedav said, on November 23, 2021 at 7:56 am

      Fair enough though I disagree. So who among top end of FA SPs would you prefer Giants sign? Or would you rather they sit out the top end market altogether and try and trade for someone like one of A’s guys?

  5. willedav said, on November 23, 2021 at 7:55 am

    Watched first half of late game Maui tourney, held in Vegas, btw St. Mary’s and Notre Dame. Eventually won at end by SMC, one of 3 guys off bench for Gaels was frosh guard #3 Augustas Marciulionis, who scored 5 points 3 boards in 20 minutes. Looks lot like Dad, very athletic quick and good passer.

    • chipower9 said, on November 23, 2021 at 8:15 am

      Wow…did not know that Sarunas had a boy playing college hoops. Damn, Sarunas was fun to watch with the Warriors back in the day.

      I still have my Lituanian tie-die from back in the day when Lithuania won a medal in the Olympics (bronze, I believe). Grateful Dead ponied-up the $$ for their uniforms.

      • unca_chuck said, on November 23, 2021 at 9:16 am

        Lost mine years ago. Damn oved that shirt. Yah, the country couldn;t afford the unis for the olympic team

  6. chipower9 said, on November 23, 2021 at 7:59 am

    That was an outstanding ramble by our man of the northwoods. Classic Stix. Agree with Bozo on Johnny Cakes. And I am with Willedav on kimchi…fuck that shit all day, every day, and twice on Sunday. I dig cabbage but not kimchi (and I was in Korea on a couple of occasions with the Air Force. Tried it several times. Blech.

    Only 84 daze until pitchers and catchers report.

  7. willedav said, on November 23, 2021 at 8:12 am

    As to ESPN story on Cal game where they effed up the score by recording made FT by other team in regulation as a miss, the opposing Coach said he waited a couple of possessions before trying to get it fixed. I think that was a mistake–he watched his player make 2 FTs and score should have immediately showed it. Should have called time out as soon as he could and demanded refs look at game vid and corrected it then.

    No doubt Cal scorers deliberately covered their asses, which is awful, but other than NCAA declaring it no contest score is gonna stand. Ostler wrote about it in yesterday Chron (idiotic suggestion game should be resumed at that point), and apparently both schools still talking.
    I’ve watched Cal a few times and they are flat awful–I mean having to go to Double OT at home vs. Southern Utah in first place is yikes. So I guess any Ws they can get, they’ll take

  8. djloo27 said, on November 23, 2021 at 8:23 am

    Stix was never better.
    How is this guy not published?

  9. djloo27 said, on November 23, 2021 at 8:48 am

    This could help the diminished Gauzepad…


  10. Flavor said, on November 23, 2021 at 8:52 am

    Tolbert tells a good story about how strong Sarunus was. He would bench press a military press bar (45 pounds) with 45 pounds on each side. You say, hey that doesn’t sound that hard to do. Well, this motherfucker did it standing up not lying on a bench. The strength it would take for a man his size to do that is incalcuable….

    • chipower9 said, on November 23, 2021 at 9:12 am

      One of my all-time favorite Warriors. Loved watching that dude play.

    • unca_chuck said, on November 23, 2021 at 9:58 am

      Who was the hard hat guy from that era? I can never remember his name. Larry Jackson?

      • willedav said, on November 23, 2021 at 11:05 am

        Larry Smith #13. Pride of Alcorn St.

  11. unca_chuck said, on November 23, 2021 at 9:22 am

    Yeah, pass on Gasman. 1/2 a great season amid a career of mediocrity isn’t a recipe for continued success. Iff they can’t get Ray, get Rodon of the southsiders.

    Loved Marculonius as a Dub..

  12. willedav said, on November 23, 2021 at 9:50 am

    Ray is suddenly reliable, after one good season since 2017? Giants saw this guy in AZ–his career ERA there c was 4.11
    2020 it was over 6.00 before being traded to Toronto. 2 seasons before that 3.93 and 4.34.
    Bottom line there is bound to be bidding war over the top end guys btw all contenders looking for SPs.
    Stroman didn’t pitch at all in 2020, had good seasons 2019 and 2021, was awful and hurt 2018. I’d like him the best as option for 30 starts but you can’t be sure how any of them would hold up over 3-4 years of deal.

    • djloo27 said, on November 23, 2021 at 10:16 am

      Stroman might have the Mets over a barrel since Thor bolted.
      He gonna be expensive to outbid Cohen I would imagine…

  13. djloo27 said, on November 23, 2021 at 10:22 am

    Stix is going through a helluva lotta trouble to prepare something that is a “step up from mush”😂😂😂

    • chipower9 said, on November 23, 2021 at 10:29 am

      😂 Johnny Cakes are actually pretty simple to make. Basically like making pancakes but you use cornmeal in addition to flour.

    • Bozo said, on November 23, 2021 at 10:56 am

      I should have said a step up from fried corn mush. Like Chi said, about as hard to make as pancakes from scratch, you are basically just using flour and cornmeal. Some people here will use buttermilk instead of regular and maybe add a can of creamed corn (just like they do for their cornbread). Besides adding different flours, Stix is expanding the additions to the batter which wouldn’t fly here in the South. I know I would be OK with the jalapeños but I would toss out corn cakes made with the rest of what he mentions.

      • chipower9 said, on November 23, 2021 at 11:01 am

        Agree. I am down with a very simple corn cake. I do use buttermilk in my corn cakes. Also in my waffle batter.

      • Bozo said, on November 23, 2021 at 11:02 am

        Corn mush just doesn’t have the flour.

  14. Giant Head said, on November 23, 2021 at 11:42 am

    DeScla and the likely Wood signing are solid Farhan moves that I could see Cobb being the next deal. and there is a mlb trade rumor blurb about another Oriole pitcher John Means a lefty whom I don’t remember threw a no-hitter.

    Another ideal Farhan target. Before injuring his shoulder after the no-hitter he was a consistent strikeout and fly ball pitcher and those fly balls hurt him in the short confines of Camden Yard but still maintained a sub 4.00 era. Being a fly ball pitcher at Oracle could make him more effective than staying in the AL and Camden. Likely will come with reasonable trade prospect terms and he is arb eligible this year expected to be paid around $3 mill and under team control through the ‘24. Perfect Farhan target for back end of rotation to match up with Wood as the other lefty starter.

    Webb-DeScla-Wood-Cobb-Means and probably will be no more than $40 mill for the entire rotation. Gausman will likely sign for $20 mill a year 4-5 years I think. Sign the Japanese hitter and then toy with either Semien or even see what the Castellanos salary ball park will be and that is a pretty good off-season and payroll likely still be no more than $150 mill tops with lot of room to expand salary next 3-4 years.

  15. Bozo said, on November 23, 2021 at 11:43 am

    The MLB channel had Erik Kratz on. Made me think of the Dan Hicks song, How Can I Miss You When You Won’t Go Away.

  16. willedav said, on November 23, 2021 at 12:05 pm

    One of starters for Notre Dame in game vs. St. Mary’s was guard Prentiss Hubb.
    Only athlete I recall offhand with that first name was Prentice Gautt, running back for St.L Cardinals of 60s. He was first black football player at Oklahoma for Bud Wilkinson in 1956. Later won MVP of Orange Bowl for Sooners and became Academic All American. Later in life got PhD and was on staff of commish Big 8/big 12.

    Abuse he suffered (and other insights that remain relevant to this day) was a topic brought up in great book I read 1970, “Out of Their League” by Cardinals linebacker Dave Meggyesy.

  17. snarkk said, on November 23, 2021 at 1:05 pm

    Classic Sopranos and johnny cakes:

    • unca_chuck said, on November 23, 2021 at 3:08 pm

      And a little something else . . .

      There was always Paula Prentiss. She was great in Catch 22. Mom took me to see that one.

      • djloo27 said, on November 23, 2021 at 3:43 pm

        She was great in anything.
        And out of anything…

      • djloo27 said, on November 23, 2021 at 3:43 pm

        Stix adopting “Scaffolding” should make you proud, Chuck…

  18. unca_chuck said, on November 23, 2021 at 3:15 pm

    Dan Hicks musta played the Full Moon Saloon 1000 times. Great stuff always.

  19. Winder said, on November 23, 2021 at 5:01 pm

    Stix should send some of his stuff to the Athletic I think they would be impressed. Maybe send a few recipes to the NY Times just to see if they are well received. I get newsletters from both every day and Stix definitely has a way with words.

  20. djloo27 said, on November 23, 2021 at 5:24 pm

    Niners/Seahawks flexed out of SNF on 12/5…

  21. djloo27 said, on November 23, 2021 at 5:35 pm

    “Van lifer” Brian Laundrie killed himself while on the run from authorities, family lawyer Steve Bertolino said Tuesday.

    ​​“Chris and Roberta Laundrie have been informed that the cause of death was a gunshot wound to the head and the manner of death was suicide,” Bertolino said in an emailed statement to The Daily Beast. “Chris and Roberta are still mourning the loss of their son and are hopeful that these findings bring closure to both families”

    Are these fuckin people human?
    And where the fuck is the gun?
    And when are they gonna explain how a Penn State girl “accidentally” fell 11 stories down a garbage chute?

    • Flavor said, on November 23, 2021 at 7:10 pm

      i haven’t followed the garbage chute story but I did see it was a girl who died. Couldn’t that have been anything? She is throwing out the trash and then her ph goes to and she leans in to far and it’s over? I’ve never lived in a place with a garbage chute but it sounds like some fucked up shit can happen by accident.

      • djloo27 said, on November 23, 2021 at 7:51 pm

        That garbage chute would have to be awfully low and wide for that to happen.
        I can’t see it.
        And there’s too much silence around this thing…

      • unca_chuck said, on November 24, 2021 at 7:48 am

        All the ones I’ve seen aren’t easy to get into. You can’t accidentally fall into one.

  22. zumiee said, on November 23, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    “Stix was never better.
    How is this guy not published?”

    Has he tried to get published? A person has to really try. It’s highly competitive out there in the publishing world.

    • chipower9 said, on November 24, 2021 at 7:13 am

      He should talk to Pawlie. Pawlie has published multiple books.

  23. zumiee said, on November 23, 2021 at 6:55 pm

    Speaking of the publishing world, this book is very good. I’ve been listening to the audio book version of it. The reader is terrific. It’s really nice to be read to. It’s a nice experience.
    The book is set during the Dust Bowl and Great Depression. Very tough times, of course. The author finds new ways to draw the reader into some familiar themes.

    • chipower9 said, on November 24, 2021 at 7:13 am

      Just read this. Very good book.

  24. xoot said, on November 23, 2021 at 8:23 pm

    I think this is underappreciated.

  25. willedav said, on November 24, 2021 at 10:02 am

    Could it be Z secures deals with Wood and Cobb and sits out high end FA pitching market, including Gausman?

    • Flavor said, on November 24, 2021 at 10:15 am

      could be? More like “likely”

    • unca_chuck said, on November 24, 2021 at 10:16 am

      Let’s hope so. Time to get Marte.

      • chipower9 said, on November 24, 2021 at 10:21 am

        I would rather have a corner OFer with pop than Marte. Give me Suzuki or Bryant (each play multiple positions).

      • unca_chuck said, on November 24, 2021 at 11:50 am

        They are gonna be costly. And I’m over Bryant. He plays multiple positions poorly. We’d lose a draft pick with Suzuki, right?

      • willedav said, on November 24, 2021 at 12:10 pm

        costly? And Marte isn’t, beside being 33 already? pass on his contract year explosion unlikely to re occur.
        Prefer a top of line SP but hard hitting (um more power than Marte) RH bat for corner OF.

      • chipower9 said, on November 24, 2021 at 12:12 pm

        I disagree on Bryant playing poorly. I think he is average or above at all. He would be a good piece to have going forward, IMO. But I do not want them to break the bank over him, either. Would take him all day, every day and twice on Sundays over Marte.

      • unca_chuck said, on November 24, 2021 at 1:40 pm

        Well, sure, so would I but Borass is Bryant’s agent, and he’s gonna command something like 6/$250. And that’s the low number.

  26. alleykat69 said, on November 24, 2021 at 11:32 am

    Same with Taylor who plays everywhere are Castellanos who came up as a 3rd baseman originally so could spell Longo there when he breaks down.Z likes guys with versatility which of course includes Bryant,and hopefully another great fit would be Marcus Simien (sp) who could spell Craw at SS and also play 2B with an upgrade over LaStella but still a valuable piece in matchups and off the bench pinch hitting.Taylor obvious the cheapest acquisition but maybe Z says let’s snag more power and make a splash..

  27. Bozo said, on November 24, 2021 at 11:41 am

    Since the Giants are at 40 on their 40 man roster, I’m almost as curious as who they get rid of, as I am who they add. They tossed the Dick like a used tissue (rightly so) and traded Jay Jackson (I kinda liked that guy), so who’s next?
    Still have the 3 guys Zaidi picked up off his offseason waiver bingo binge, so I’m guessing it would be one of those guys, but who knows? Would they part with Slater, Dubon or Sammy Long?

    • unca_chuck said, on November 24, 2021 at 1:45 pm

      Is Brebbia still on the team? Vosler can go.

      • Macdog said, on November 24, 2021 at 2:12 pm

        Both are still on the 40-man roster.

      • Bozo said, on November 24, 2021 at 3:04 pm

        Brebbia, good call.

    • snarkk said, on November 24, 2021 at 12:31 pm

      Yeah, I saw it earlier today.
      Very nice. Rare to do that, I think…

    • Winder said, on November 24, 2021 at 3:40 pm

      That was beautiful.

  28. willedav said, on November 24, 2021 at 2:53 pm

    Unc, 6/$250 for Bryant–$40 mil a year? No man, that’s not happening. I’d take him back at 4/$100. Biggest issue seems to be expectations of others. He’s a solid everyday hitter who can fill in at corner OF and 3b.

    I’d like to see Giants add better SP than Wood and Cobb, neither of whom have history of good health. They combined for 223 innings total last season. Like to see them shopping somewhere beside Brebbia aisle.
    Webb had fine season, but pitched 148 innings/26 starts. Can he be relied to up that to 200 innings/33 starts, plus postseason? More quality at top end of rotation will go long way imo.

    • djloo27 said, on November 24, 2021 at 3:03 pm

      Agree Chuck came in a little high on KB estimate but I gotta believe that he gets 6/200 minimum…

  29. Bozo said, on November 24, 2021 at 3:12 pm

    According to Cot’s, our current 2022 40 man luxury tax amount (not including Wood) is at $112.1. That leaves SF $97.9 under the tax cap.
    We have money.

    • willedav said, on November 24, 2021 at 5:26 pm

      Exactly. Money isn’t the issue, it’s having enough talent to run it back and get farther in playoffs.

      • Bozo said, on November 24, 2021 at 6:02 pm

        Agree 100%.

  30. alleykat69 said, on November 24, 2021 at 3:50 pm

    I’m intrigued with this Suzuki guy as is every team in baseball with their fans as well.
    He’s definitely a player Z/H should get in on.27 years old power galore, walks more then he K’s even , high OBP right like Z likes, compared to Acuna jr speaks volumes, strong arm, speed, but still can use base running skills, same in OF but the tools are all there!

    Heard the window with the CBA still looming making the window short until just Dec 2? Supposedly his deal would be around 5/55 but he could wait till this potential strike ends and maybe get a bigger deal.Money cheaper then Bryant,Castellanos,Simien,&even Taylor.I could hopefully see Z/H giving up their 1st 5 year deal on a player with this skill sets and still would be only 32 on an expiring contract that u got the best years out of.

    • Winder said, on November 24, 2021 at 4:35 pm

      He does sound interesting. IIRC the Giants have never had good luck with players coming out of Japan.

      • alleykat69 said, on November 24, 2021 at 7:08 pm

        Not true Winder, The legendary Masonari Murakami the 1st Japanese player to appear in the show was a real good lefty reliever for the Giants in 64-65.He put ChinaTown on the map as their community often went to see him pitch.

      • Winder said, on November 24, 2021 at 8:57 pm

        Kat – I remember him pretty well.

  31. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 24, 2021 at 5:42 pm

    Seems everyone agrees we need at least one new good bat in the OF. Curious that many here prefer that to be a corner OFer. I’ve been thinking a new CFer, for 2 reasons: 1) Yaz can cover RF and Ruf and Wade can cover LF. And 2), there’s no one on the current roster that I see as a starting CFer. Duggar and Slater are fine as extras, but unless one of them suddenly figures it all out in 2022, neither of them really should be starting too often in CF.

  32. alleykat69 said, on November 24, 2021 at 7:14 pm

    Bryant liked playing CF then any other positions, done! sign him get him in centerfield and go after Marcus Welby Simien to play 2B/SS/3B

    • djloo27 said, on November 24, 2021 at 7:21 pm

      Maybe offer him a front-loaded 6-year deal with an opt out after 2-3 years?
      We’re obviously in “win now” mode.
      The Wilderness Years and the Dark Ages ended abruptly…

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