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Let The Other Teams Sign Stars

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 27, 2021

Marte to the Mets. Good. I know some of you guys wanted him but honestly that deal wreaks of an overpay for a guy who sold himself at one of his heights. And all you need to know about this deal is that the Mets did it. They are like the Angels, their free agent pick ups are almost always terrible.

What I’ve learned about Zaidi is that you just sit back and watch him hit on the Gamboa’s of the world. I wouldn’t have been bummed if we had gotten Marte, something that we were likely not in on, but this is fine. Farhan is a genius. Let him do his work and then we can sit back and admire true greatness.

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  1. willedav said, on November 27, 2021 at 7:11 am

    There is also going to be some churn. Dubon started season as part time IF/CF and got sent down never (iirc) to return. Aaron Sanchez was briefly an SP. Wisler was briefly a reliever and there were other pen guys brought up and shuttled back to Sac. Dickerson had his shot but those days are over and team moves on.

  2. willedav said, on November 27, 2021 at 7:18 am

    Ha good for perennial interim coach Alvin Gentry. As Warriors assistant years ago, he’d get stuck having to answer questions from Ros Gold Onwude coming back onto floor after halftime as part of broadcast. Then it was Jarron Collins who got that chore, having to deal with sideline babe, and now it happens while game is going on.
    Can you imagine what Red Auerbach or Alex Hannum or Holzman would say? Yes the women are beautiful and intelligent but it’s an uncomfortable and needless position for all involved.

  3. Macdog said, on November 27, 2021 at 7:31 am

    “And all you need to know about this deal is that the Mets did it.” Ha, that got a laugh out of me. Mets certainly were busy on Black Friday, adding Escobar and Canha along with Marte. I guess they had to do something given how anemic they were on offense last year.

    • willedav said, on November 27, 2021 at 8:16 am

      yeah that’s a good line. Lot of $$ spent/zero pitching help added by Mets. Hope Giants can add front of rotation SP and a corner OF power bat.

  4. Giant Head said, on November 27, 2021 at 7:32 am

    I think that is a pretty good deal for both the Mets and Marte. I had the Mets going hard after Kris Bryant and they landed Canha on a pretty savvy deal and so they are out of the KB market. Now rumor mill has Mariners in the KB chase and they can go $125 mill/5 for him. Is the critical comments about KB’s defense a ploy by Farhan to keep his price down? I don’t think so and think not signing him is Farhan’s playbook. Don’t think Semien is going to be pursued either but would not be shocked if they pursue the Suzuki player and why not Castellanos as the long awaited right-handed slugger we all have been wanting and expecting.

  5. Winder said, on November 27, 2021 at 9:48 am

    I don’t think we are gonna have any splash signings. Resigning Bryant will probably be the biggest move we make, if we do that. Sure we will sign more Gamboa’s both pitching and hitting Gamboa’s. Maybe we tap the pitchers we have AAA and AA and hope we can pull another Webb out of the hat. Whatever we do will be based on a complete team effort so that means whoever is there will have bought in.

  6. Bozo said, on November 27, 2021 at 10:40 am

    SF should go and get Seiya Suzuki (is that pronounced, see ya?) and Scherzer, to complete this year’s holiday shopping.

    • Winder said, on November 27, 2021 at 11:29 am

      I would like to kick the tires on Suzuki also. I don’t think the Dogs are gonna let Scherzer go. Good chance they lose Kershaw, and Baur’s probably gonna do some time unless he can buy off all those with a hefty payout.

      • djloo27 said, on November 27, 2021 at 2:22 pm

        Dodgers would never let Kershaw pitch for anyone else.
        Would the Braves let Smoltz, Maddux, or Glavine move on?
        Of course not!

      • Winder said, on November 27, 2021 at 2:32 pm

        I’m not so sure about that.

  7. zumiee said, on November 27, 2021 at 11:12 am

    The NBA Network right now is replaying the Kings win over the Lakers from last night. The Lakers showed some vulnerabilities last night. For one thing, the Kings are just younger and kept pushing the pace. The Lakers were starting to drag later in the game, although they had the talent advantage over the Kings.

  8. Macdog said, on November 27, 2021 at 11:28 am

    Michigan up 28-13, could this finally be Harbaugh’s day?

  9. alleykat69 said, on November 27, 2021 at 11:58 am

    Bozo..Don’t see Z making a play on Scherzer at all,he even commented how he finished the year with a fatigued dead arm and at 37 just don’t see him holding up next season.There’s better options on not blowing 25-30 plus millions then Scherzer. Go after the power Outfield bat Castellanos,are make a hard push on Suzuki instead.
    Still like Seimen as well, just cause he’s so versatile can spell Craw at SS, definitely get a lot of play at 2nd, maybe some 3rd as well, hell he played all 162 games so he’s an Ironman as well,that’s the perfect infield fit
    while adding Jeff Kent power crushing the cartoon!

    Just start getting younger not older should be the teams motto!

    • Bozo said, on November 27, 2021 at 1:34 pm

      Kat, I agree that they need a couple of bats, but I also think they need another front-line pitcher. I know a left hander would be a better fit, but Max is a 1-2 year contract kind of guy and Zaidi likes those kinds of contracts. Max pitched 179 innings and went 15-4 in the regular season and he also threw 16 innings in the post season going 2-1. Thats not too bad for some dead arm old fart.
      What is your indication that the team is getting younger? Because getting the band back together doesn’t make the team any younger, it seems to me like they’re building an older team to make another run at it.
      The Giants current 40 man salary obligation for 22 is $90+ mil under the cap, we have room to blow some bucks on some short-term contracts. That’s how I look at it anyway.

  10. alleykat69 said, on November 27, 2021 at 12:18 pm

    Sad news HOF NT Chiefs/Oilers Curly Culp ( great name) has passed away at 75.He was fighting stage 4 pancreatic cancer.
    Man was he a force in the middle I know Loo/Willied/Winder/P/A Chi and others remember this guy.RIP Curly and condolences to your family..

    • Winder said, on November 27, 2021 at 12:57 pm

      Yeah he was tough. Seems like an old timer passes every week now. And, here we go with another variant. This shit just might get us yet.

    • willedav said, on November 27, 2021 at 1:18 pm

      ah that’s too bad. NCAA Champ wrestler for Arizona St too before stellar pro career. Anchored 3/4 D as nose tackle for Oilers after Chiefs traded him in 1974.

  11. willedav said, on November 27, 2021 at 12:31 pm

    Yeah Harbs finally winning the big one. 300 yds on ground, passing game shredded OSU too.

    • Macdog said, on November 27, 2021 at 12:41 pm

      Yeah, that was a beatdown on offense, especially the run game.

      • Winder said, on November 27, 2021 at 12:54 pm

        That’s what he always liked to do. Gore was his bellcow.

      • djloo27 said, on November 27, 2021 at 4:04 pm

  12. Flavor said, on November 27, 2021 at 12:55 pm

    Hate it when Harbs wins

  13. snarkk said, on November 27, 2021 at 1:12 pm

    Hey zumiee,
    You may be all over this as a Beatles head, but the Disney+ channel is running “Get Back”, a Beatles 3 part series of about 8 hours of restored film of them in January 1969 right before their break up, culminating in part 3 with the concert on the roof of the Apple HQ building in London. The vid quality is incredible, it looks like they filmed it last week.

    I’ve watched a lot of the first two, sped through some as there are a bunch of really slow spots that could have easily have been edited for us non-Beatles heads, especially Episode 1. Best spots are when they’re sniping at each other and a lot of personal drama as they are in the final fraying in between music rehearsals in Episode 1, and in Episode 2 which is far better, when they’ve moved to the recording studio working feverishingly and great together on what turned out as their last full studio sessions, which they seemed to know — with the songs ending up on Abbey Road and mostly Let it Be. Episode 2 really shows what great musicians they were, and how they worked together, mostly McCartney and Lennon, at crafting on the fly a lot of the music and words on iconic songs. Billy Preston apparently showed up almost by accident, they were saying they needed an extra keyboards guy and he happened to be in London. He immediately showed they were right, he added something big to the vibe and seemed to energize them into the music. It’s always said McCartney was the driving force, but in these vids it’s stunningly clear. He’s a genius, a songwriting machine. Lennon is very good, playing off him, alternatively insulting and agreeing and adding. Ringo is mostly stoic, above it all and/or stoned, but seemingly the most mature one. George is mostly pissed off, but adds the needed guitar licks and a couple of his own songs. McCartney and the others never give Ringo (they called him “Rich”) much direction, the songs are put together by the other 3, and he just adds in the fills, seemingly, as if he knows exactly what to do and when, and what his role is, with no one telling him what to do. Oh, and Yoko is flat scary and ridiculous, sitting there like a silent Yoda. All in all, some great historical stuff, in between lots of yawn moments, kind of like how they worked…

    • zumiee said, on November 27, 2021 at 3:31 pm

      I don’t have Disney+, but have seen some covert clips popping up on YouTube, which Disney pretty quickly gets taken down, in a committed whack-a-mole effort.
      I won’t see the whole thing until it comes out on DVD, which may not be all that long away, although no date for that has been given yet.
      The Abbey Road sessions were some time after the filmed Let It Be sessions, and a whole different thing, although the Let It Be album was released after Abbey Road. It took a while for the Let It Be recordings to be put together as an album. The band did work a bit on the writing of a few of the Abbey Road songs during those Let It Be sessions. Also in the documentary you see George showing the band some songs that would later be used on his All Things Must Pass album. The film shows John working on an early version of “Gimme Some Truth.”
      By the time of the Let It Be sessions, John and George were wanting out of the band, and ready to start solo careers. Paul, bless his heart, really tries to keep the band together. But a band is like a marriage; when it’s over, it’s just over. To the four guys’ credit, they still delivered two albums at the end; the brilliant Abbey Road, and a pretty good Let It Be album.

  14. Winder said, on November 27, 2021 at 2:09 pm

    I liked the Beatle movies about as much as I did Elvis’s movies. Even though much of their music seems silly, I think the Beatles were way ahead of their time.

    • Flavor said, on November 27, 2021 at 4:46 pm

      blech. They’re horrible.

    • snarkk said, on November 27, 2021 at 6:30 pm

      Beatles movies were just money making vehicles, another way to run their music in front of an audience to get paid. Early music videos, long form, almost…

      • Winder said, on November 27, 2021 at 6:55 pm

        Yeah, they were definitely B movies but I thought they were fun. But then i liked Green Acres and the Beverly Hillbillies.

      • snarkk said, on November 27, 2021 at 6:59 pm

        I thought Green Acres was a hoot.
        Farce brought to high art…

  15. unca_chuck said, on November 27, 2021 at 4:50 pm

    Damn. Curly Culp, Buck Buchanan, Bobby Bell, Willie Lanier. Loved that defense back in the day. Really thought the Niners were gonna play the Chiefs in that 1970 Super Bowl.

    • djloo27 said, on November 27, 2021 at 5:24 pm

      Be glad they didn’t Chuck.
      Brodie would’ve been killed…

  16. zumiee said, on November 27, 2021 at 4:57 pm

    Several years ago, a collection of the Let It Be songs were released in stripped down form, without embellishments that were added for the original album, and this collection was called “Let It Be…Naked.”
    My favorite of the songs is John’s “Across the Universe.” From his nifty little guitar intro, into those cool chord changes, and some beautifully poetic lyrics, and that amazing voice. John has always been my pick for best singer that the rock/pop world produced.

    • unca_chuck said, on November 27, 2021 at 5:08 pm

      Beat the Meatles.

    • unca_chuck said, on November 27, 2021 at 5:11 pm

      Some of my problem with them IS their overproduced schmaltzy sounding stuff. Let it Be especially was seemingly produced with an eye toward overplaying the fact that the bad was about to break up and they milked the shit out of it.

      • zumiee said, on November 27, 2021 at 5:23 pm

        The band wasn’t thrilled about the orchestrations and choirs Phil Spector had later added to some of the songs in the Let It Be tapes. Their usual producer George Martin wouldn’t have done that. But the band had let Spector have full rein on the Let It Be tapes. They were already moving on to the Abbey Road songs and didn’t want to deal with the whole Let It Be movie/album project anymore.
        Spector has a certain approach to recordings. His “wall of sound” thing. Sometimes it works better than other times.

      • unca_chuck said, on November 27, 2021 at 6:27 pm

        Huh. Didn’t know that was Phil Spector. It does sound way overdone. But I do like Abbey Road and some of Hey Jude.

  17. unca_chuck said, on November 27, 2021 at 5:07 pm

    That Beatles footage looks pretty amazing, Snarkk. Gonna have to check that out. Not a huge fan, but they are pretty damn important in the history of rock and roll.

    In other (Pete’s) words, rock is dead. Long live rock.

    Funny thing is, after all these years, rock IS dead.

  18. zumiee said, on November 27, 2021 at 5:14 pm

    Speaking of music, the other day I heard The Cure’s “Just Like Heaven” playing in a grocery store. That was a pleasant surprise. It is a 25 year old song, so I guess it’s fair game for a grocery store.

    • zumiee said, on November 27, 2021 at 5:30 pm

      35 year old song, I mean!

  19. zumiee said, on November 27, 2021 at 5:26 pm

    We’re now at about the 30 year anniversary of when the Seattle grunge rock scene burst out big.
    We old! 🙂

  20. willedav said, on November 27, 2021 at 5:41 pm

    Not gonna make Chi happy, but 100 yd KO return by Oklahoma St. guy was just fun to watch. Always loved return guys that could do that–Travis Williams Super Gnat Noland Smith Alvin Haymond yada yada.
    Sucks NFL has taken that play out of game. Jenkins today suggested they move KO back again, to 30.

    • alleykat69 said, on November 27, 2021 at 6:13 pm

      I got a 100 yard kickoff return from Cowboys Tony Pollard on Thanksgiving which was great since I started him on my FF team! What wasn’t great I only got the TD points(6)not the 100 yard return which would of been 10 more points! League only does interceptions are fumble returns for TD which is also 6 pts but they really should do kickoffs and punt return yardage pts as well..😡

  21. James said, on November 27, 2021 at 5:55 pm

    The first Beatles song I have a memory of hearing repeatedly while it was a hit is “Get Back.” I loved it then and it’s still a favorite of mine. But just like the Mays Marichal McCovey Giants, the Beatles are a part of the 60s I missed by happenstance of birth. Despite having wasted years buying and listening to an inordinate amount of music, I never was much of a Beatles obsessive. True to that felt distance, I’ve probably listened to the Kinfaun bootlegs more than Revolver or Rubber Soul. By 1977, it was expected you knew them, so I kinda blew right past to Big Star and the thousands of other semi-obscure derivations. The plus side to my ignorance is that the stuff that sounds tired to many allows me to appreciate the myth anew.

    • zumiee said, on November 27, 2021 at 6:33 pm

      The Beatles had already broken up when I discovered them, so my experience with the band’s recordings and solo recordings has always had kind of a “catching up” aspect to it. I could listen to an ELO song and then realize, oh yeah, clearly influenced by I Am The Walrus, with the cellos and all that.
      When the Clash (who I love) sang “The phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust,” I never really believed the Clash disliked the Beatles. I could see a connecting thread between the two bands.

      • James said, on November 27, 2021 at 6:42 pm

        The guy who played John in Beatlemania wound up releasing as many good albums as the Clash.

    • unca_chuck said, on November 27, 2021 at 6:50 pm

      Zumie, don’t you remember the fake Beatles band touring back in the late 70s? Rumors of a reunion? The hype around the Beatles was near as bad as the hype around the royal family back then.

      My mom wanted to see the Broadway show so we went to it, but esp in England anything Beatles was everywhere in the late 70s. It wasn’t a diss on the Beatles, but a diss on the Rutles.

      Much like the Pete and Roger running into Sid Vicious and Johnny Rotten. Who the fuck are you?

  22. zumiee said, on November 27, 2021 at 6:23 pm

    The Nets are laying a big egg tonight vs. the Suns.

    • zumiee said, on November 27, 2021 at 6:42 pm

      The Nets did make it closer at the end.

  23. unca_chuck said, on November 27, 2021 at 6:57 pm

    Kudos to mom for taking my older brother and sisters to the Cow Palace in ’65 to see the Beatles. Nobody heard a thing

  24. Winder said, on November 27, 2021 at 7:00 pm

    When the Beatles played the Ed Sullivan in 64 it was a big deal just about every household who had a kid in it tuned in. I don’t remember a lot of things but i remember that.

    • Winder said, on November 27, 2021 at 7:01 pm


    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 27, 2021 at 7:03 pm

      Oh, yes, it was a big deal, I was 7 years old and everyone I knew was watching that night….

  25. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 27, 2021 at 7:02 pm

    Years ago, saw many of Cirque du Soleil’s shows, both in LV and on their tours, but I never saw their Beatles show. Seemed like an odd combo to me, but a few people I know who saw it loved it. I think they were big Beatles aficionados, probably would help enjoy the show.

    • snarkk said, on November 27, 2021 at 7:11 pm

      I’ve also heard from several people say that the Beatles CDS show was great. I saw “O” in Vegas and a couple of them in SF over the years at the big tent down by the ballpark, the show names which I can’t remember; not that it matters much. I liked them all. “O” was amazing with all the water tricks and diving. I saw “Blue Man Group” in Vegas, thought I wouldn’t like it, but actually did…

    • James said, on November 27, 2021 at 7:21 pm

      Cirque du Soleil?!? Barf, worst circus ever!

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 27, 2021 at 7:40 pm

      Yeah Tom, I also saw “O”, twice, one time near center stage and the other further back, and both were amazing. Great music as well, I had the CD. Maybe you saw Varekai in SF, I saw that one down in that tent you mentioned, sometime maybe summer or Fall of ’02. Also loved the Varekai CD, very rain-foresty, I remember playing it in my Jeep driving up north through Redwoods and along the Lost Coast…

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 27, 2021 at 9:39 pm

      Meh. A couple years, ok, but 5? Hope it’s with Toronto.

  26. unca_chuck said, on November 27, 2021 at 9:49 pm

    Mets are in on Gasman too

  27. Giant Head said, on November 28, 2021 at 6:57 pm

    Gausman signed with the Jays reportedly.

  28. Giant Head said, on November 28, 2021 at 6:58 pm

    We were all over the five year $100 mill price tag level for him and that is at least what he is getting. It is good for us and great for him!!!

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