Game 3
Just a terrible loss to a bad team. How quickly did Rodon go from CY candidate to shit in a matter of weeks.
And now we have to play in Boston. Celts a 3.5 fav. I wouldn’t bet on this game with free money and even if I lived in a state that allows it legally.
Two Flap salute for our friend Paul (in Asia). Hang in there my man we are keeping good thoughts for your recovery.
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A healing tip of the ol’ Giants cap towards Paul. Hope the mending process is quick and without complications.
Best wishes and safe travels to Mr. Blade and for recovered health to Mr. Paul. Had lunch with friend of mine who returned from trip to visit family in Taiwan. She first had to endure long quarantine, and then weather was not good, much rain and of course humidity unlike what we have in Bay Area.
Watching Rodon was not fun. I was reading bio from SABR of Juan Marichal on his B/R page. From humble beginnings of life in DR in 40s and 50s, he became one of best ever in NL in 60s, comparable if not better than HOF greats Koufax and Gibson.
He had in his arsenal a variety of pitches often thrown from different angles, to be able to get hitters out like few others, from the very beginning of his ML career with Giants. His amazing stats include 244 complete games and 50 shutouts, including 10 in one season alone.
Right now, to put it mildly, Rodon is unable to get hitters out for more than a few innings at a time and his approach is not sustainable.
As a kid I loved listening to Marichal pitched games. IIRC he rarely did he gave up more that 3 runs per game.
Thanks Loo what a great cover. His B/R page, for what he accomplished during say 62-69, is just amazing.
Thanks Flappers. Bit of a rough stretch. Feel like I got kicked in the nuts by a fucking horse. Talk about (black and) blue balls…. And ask any massage girl over here, they will tell you my balls are probably my best feature. On we go…
Best of recovery Paul but I know you will stay strong and determined rehabbing on.
Just take times, like my hip replacement, so I just listened to Huey Lewis:Hip to be square song a lot for motivation.For you I’m thinking 🤔 Jerry Lee Lewis :Great Balls of Fire ☄️ might be good! Any way you take care of yourself and say hi to Blade for me ..
Will need to catch up on the Paul in Asia dilemma. But best in whatever recovery needed. I have Rodon in both my fantasy leagues and was not awake for last night. How does he only go four? Is he losing steam? Thought he was a lock for legit cy young candidacy.
98 pitches in those 4 innings. G Marquez (not making $22mil this year) of Rox threw 105 and got through 6. Giants of course failed to score again after getting 3 in first.
People happy out there about the Boudin recall? My one buddy still in the City was thrilled about the outcome and he and his wife are the most left people I am friends with.
Misguided at best. His stance on not prosecuting petty crime was a joke.
Both his parents amazingly were members of the Weather Underground. If you were alive in the 60s-70s in SF or NY, you knew damn well who they were.
Both served over 30 years in jail for the botched armored car robbery in NY.
Carstie Clausen
Tue, Jun 7, 11:22 PM (8 hours ago)
to me, carstie
Flav: Still lurking on the Flap and following the games via MLB’s Gameday. So here’s my two cents worth:
Could be that there is something sensible, after all, about the owners’ policy of avoiding long-term contracts. Imagine the state the team would be in for years into the future, had Rodon been given even a three year contract. So it’s a mere $22M which looks to be money down the drain. It’s only money, after all. With my Social Security income cut down to $257/month due to alleged “overpayments”, I should be talking about money? But the Universe provides and I’m getting in my five hours per day getting the gardens in shape and wheelbarrowing rocks next to the collapsed kitchen to provide a new free-standing foundation for a new one. Been storing up a bit of food as well. Yeah, I’m easily distracted from the subject of the day.
Is that fat belly Rodon hauls around, somehow limiting his effectiveness? Too many bodacious burritos? Tuned into Gameday during the bottom of the third and immediately checked out his pitch-count after first noting the score and the RBI’s by Flores’ dinger and Gonzales’ single. That pitch count was worse than I’d even anticipated. An inning later and it had skyrocketed to 98 after four I.P. Meanwhile German Marquez was averaging a rather high 17. But that looked nice and slender compared to the ballooning inflation by our acclaimed starter.
What happened after the first three-four weeks? Is there an occulted injury we have not heard about? Has his wife deserted him for someone younger, slimmer and capable of better performance? Have the translators not been able to get him understanding the several pitching coaches’ messages and suggestions? There must be some scuttlebutt on The Athletic and similar pay to see sites. Anybody on the Flap got a clue? One would think that by now he would have been working on an out-pitch that would cut the comedy of foul after foul vs his barrage of fastballs. His heat simply is not enough. Perhaps everyone has a book on him now and the Pale Hose were happy to say “adios”, been nice knowing ya.
Short stints by starters seem to have led to a stressed out bullpen…which early in the season appeared to be our strong-point. Alvarez was light’s out early on and now he consistently gets lit up. Rogers seems no longer reliable enough for late-inning work. It goes on and on. Demolition Derby.
My lurking ways have demonstrated by most of the posters that mumblings about Kapler are mounting and mounting. He seems to be all about data and statistics…and on occasion …it works. Standing in vivid contrast was a very nice 1952 Life magazine bio on Casey Stengel—a Giant back in his playing days. He transformed from a slip-sliding mid-30’s colorful player into managing the Toledo MiLB team back in the 20’s and successfully made them a winner. So he got hired to manage the horrific Brooklyn and Boston (NL) teams. He apparently learned a lot of lessons running an assortment of losers. In the late 40’s he finally got his break and was selected to manage the Yankees.
Casey the Character had a funny way of getting utmost performance outta a so-so Yank team with DiMaggio and Henrich wearing down and a couple of Rookies, Mantle and Martin just starting to get into the swing of things. Stengel worked his magic by some combination of insight and intuition. He would shuffle his lineups in improbable combinations and insert pinch-hitters, seemingly by the seat of his pants. Point is, the HOF manager knew his way around the diamond and simply managed to do a bang-up job of managing.
So the romance of Giants fans with the current manager is wearing a bit thin. But are there any old-school baseball geniuses left out there to take over the job if the team keeps slip-sliding into purest mediocrity? Certainly Kapler’s right/left matchups seem counter-intuitive at times, both in opening lineups and in pinch-hitting roles. Perhaps the players themselves are losing faith due to an uncertainty factor stemming from a perceived lack of respect. Kapler talks a good game, but can he see the forest for the trees?
Then there’s the pervasive embarrassment of Bartholomew behind the batter. What’s with him? He’s improved generally in his catching skills, but needs some serious remediation with a bat in his hands. Yet another high draft pick bust? Even with his lack of framing skills, I do dream of Willson Contreras. So do several other teams like Houston. A Contreras/Casali combo strikes my fancy.
Nextly we come to BB9—El Capitan. Time flies on his knee problem. Early on, he was sparkplugging the attack. Now, the Giants offense is sputtering on seven cylinders….if that. There is a missing ingredient.
Help from the farm? Ramos seems another highly-touted bust. He’s still young, though. Some players never get it into gear much before age 25. Hjelle seems to be able to eat up innings, though with modest results. Luciano is lighting up the Emeralds in high A ball, but he’s really young and likely needs more seasoning. You may have heard it first here, but if Harrison maintains his excellence after his promotion to Richmond, maybe, just maybe, the upper management types might bring him up later in the season, not as a starter, but to bring that battered bullpen a bit of much needed relief.
Rack up tonight’s fiasco as yet another game of should have and would have. It’s getting old. This one should have been a winner. Instead of that the team appears to be running on fumes. Something needs to change. We all can feel it.
Warren Spahn quote:
“I’m probably the only guy who worked for (Casey) Stengel before and after he was a genius.”
Source: Sports Illustrated (August 20, 1973)
idk, I don’t think bringing in Alvarez and Littell was good idea but Giants problems don’t revolve around Kap . Saw someone on another site talk about the team that won 107 games–this is one is completely different. Belt hasn’t played in 3 weeks. Ruf LaStella and Crawford are all struggling at plate, Wade Jr is still out and Slater only just got back. He can’t do anything about Bart and there aren’t any quality backups at C in Sac except other young guys.
Webb isn’t same ace of 2021 and pitching/defense much worse. Kap has some splainin to do, but he isn’t one with bat in his hands, or on the mound throwing meatballs that wind up in Cove.
Kinda funny, but columns in Athletic lately revolve around Giants bad luck despite rosy analytics.
Gotta admit though, most exciting guy on field last night was Mr.
Hey Joe where you going with that bat in your hands
Despite having played Dogs only twice this year, Giants now have 7-8 record vs. NL West. yikes
0-2 vs. Dogs and 2-4 vs. Pads.
Sending best wishes to Paul in his recovery, not watching the Giants might help with the blood pressure. And it’s great that Blade is there to keep us up to date.
No fucking reason to lose to the Rockies.
It does seem like the season is going down the toilet in a deluge of foul balls and grounders (haven’t looked at the Athletic in a few days). That’s not how you usually lose. Rodon’s fastball doesn’t show up until it’s too late.
Who knew former Giants Conor Joe would turn into a good player?After everyone wanted his head on a spike,(and understandably so what was he 1-16? and that hit was his last AB as as a Giant.Maybe Z, did know something about Kokomo, but no way could he have stuck with him when he was overmatched,that’s not the case anymore.Good for you Conor for turning it around, even in a friendly hitters park your doing alright!Can you do most of your damage against the Dodgers though, your original team..
He has 12HR’s 48 RBI’s batting .270 and currently has reached base in 33 straight games, 2nd alltime in Rockies history to DJ Mathuei (sp?) 38 game streak back in 2016..
Hard to win consistently when your best players are either hurt are struggling (same old thing for years with a MASH unit of older guys, now Mr.Reliable Craw is starting to breakdown by being overused, and a 1/3 of your LU your rolling out there is just AAA fill ins with a revolving door of options guys, like Vosler,Kirzan,Walton,Paulo,Fairchild( thankfully gone)Williams( they have better prospects at AAA then to dump him, another Org weird move)
What bugs me more is the Bullpen cause theirs no injury bug going on there,it’s the same pitchers from last year that just aren’t cutting it this year.Guess last year was an abbreviation when one year it all magically clicked together.. They have the easiest schedule in baseball ( except the Bums) in June with other teams at a .457 clip they have to go out and beat these crap teams are it can spiral out of control in a hurry..
Bart down to Sac to see if he make contact again and get his head on straight, that Austin Wynns dude in from Philly. He’s just a guy.
The old guys on roster predictably hurt or getting hurt. Crawford overused, injury just a matter of time.
They look like they’re about to start spinning around the toidy whirlpool, need to stop the descent soon or else it’s going to be too late…
Should Farhan be looking at a deal for Contreras? Andujar is someone I thought we could swing some type of deal for from Yanks last couple of years and now he has been sent down and demanding a trade. Should not cost more than maybe one lower mid tier prospect and another lower one I would think. His D sucks but that is what the DH is for.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, GH. He’s got 1.5 years on his contract, so it wouldn’t be strictly a 1/2 season rental. The thing about Bark is he’s no spring chicken despite his rookie status. I get them trying to get him rolling, but he’s doing no one any good by sucking this hard. I said, like most of us, a couple weeks ago that they’d give him till mid-June, and here we are.
Going for Contreras would be an admission that Bark has no bite and that they are moving on from him. Unless the plan is to let him try to gain confidence and get himself back to the bigs as a backup next season.
What bugs me is the fact that they are rolling through the discard pile instead of just rolling with the actual prospects. I mean, Fairchild? Pudlo? Even Johnboy Walton, pretty much a shocking surprise, who had even mentioned his name before he was called up? Id like to see more of Ramos, Bishop, Luciano, and Hjelle rather than the AAAA bodies we are rolling through.
Just not how Z rolls unfortunately, he continues to dive in the Mendoza line pickups are now the Highway 101 zone.Contreras are even a lesser agree Sean Murphy would still be a major upgrade ( yeah I know nothing ever happens with the A’s, but screw that Z worked for them , how bad can that relationship really be?
Scary thought that’s it’s gotten to this point of Casali being are top catcher.Rather see this new chump Wynns over Paperazzi again, who can’t hit a lick.They have to bring up one are the other and another transaction move is required on the 40 man to move Wynns in today since he’s not on it.We will see the move later today.
The lack of Giants AAA talent ready to do damage in the bigs is generating all this musical chairs movement of AAAA dudes from other orgs onto/off of the roster. This is the last year of being able to blame the Sabes regime largely for the talent hole at AAA. 2023 is no excuses year for Farhan. The 2020 Covid year really hurt the Giants lower minors development of guys brought in by Farhan after he took over in late 2018, as that’s where the talent has been, supposedly. Other teams had the same Covid issue with those 2019-2020 draft classes, but the good ones didn’t have the crappy players at higher minors that Sabes had put together. Sabes’ 1st round draft busts in Bart (at 25, seems unlikely a light bulb goes off in his hitting at MLB level) and Beede (head case and no control even before the TJ surgery) are devastating…
Disappointing thing about schedule is, Giants are 5-6 vs. all 4 under .500 teams they have played since start of the road trip. Cincy Philly Marlins and now Rox. They had been 15-5 vs. teams at this level, now 20-11. And 9-14 vs. teams over .500…as in one coming in this weekend.
Well, that’s not really true, Snarkk.
Catcher Jhonny Pereda is batting .276. 5 doubles, 8 RBIs in 23 games. Nothing great, but better than Papierski and his .188
David Villar is batting .291 with 16 HRs and 46 RBIs. He’s 25.
Ramos is struggling at .211 but he has 5 HRs and 16 RBIs. I’d much rather see him than Fairchild.
If they are ready to come up, then they should be up. Right?
That they aren’t up means either Farhan disagrees with you on their worth or readiness, or some other reason that we don’t know about, like starting the free agency clock. I don’t think free agency clock means much with guys that are just guys in AAA and not prospects, and could serve a stint in the bigs to take the place of a regular on the IL…
Well, I said a couple weeks ago, I think they are just rolling through the chaff to see if anyone is decent. I’d think the closer they get to the trade deadline, they’ll have an idea of trade-worthiness, keep-ability, or just AAA fodder. Then they will start bringing up the guys they are banking on.
Webb was 2014 draft pick, 4th round. Other than that though, not much home grown talent on current ML roster other than Slater, taken in 8th round of same draft. Sean Hjelle was 2nd round pick from 2018. Doval was signed October 2015 as amateur FA.
Z/H did trade one of his picks from 2019 draft, Caleb Kilian (8th round) for Bryant.
This Conor Joe situation — this tells me that the Giants should play guys like Ramos for a while in the bigs and see what happens, especially in a transition year like this. It’s not at all unheard of that a guy that’s been in the minors for while with tools has mentally plateaued there, and when he comes up for an extended try, he suddenly gets it and flourishes. I’m not talking about guys who’ve been up and down for years on options like Duggar. They did it with Bart this season, and he can’t get out of his K rut despite extended ABs, so he had to be sent down to get his head on straight and some confidence back. His head is probably spinning with various hitting advice. My guess is if he starts hitting consistently in Sac, they’ll bring him up for one last go before they somehow dispose of him…
I totally agree
Except Joe had the Farhan-approved fundamentals even when he was struggling. Z did not want to cut him. The model for Ramos is Duvall — a Sabes-style pre-analytics dummy who somehow made it work. Duvall is the *only* example of this . . . .
Anyone else want to hear from these Vietnamese ladies who say Paul’s best feature is his balls? That would be quite the convo I bet
I’d be more interested in a face-to-face meeting. Nevermind his balls . . .
Yeah I would I think these Vietnam ladies would go balls out giving out some info on Paul’s balls..
Looks like C Wynns is at the park and will wear #14. Not much good has come out of that number with the catchers in the past but Vida and a lesser degree Fred Lewis wore that number.Still not sure what the corresponding move to get Wynns activated since he wasn’t on the 40 man roster?
this Wynns guy. Jeez. Why do this, why not take a flier on a guy you already have? This guy is the re-treads re-tread. There is zero percent chance he’s an upgrade on Bart past negligible.
Pereda. Why the fuck not? His .261 is worlds better than Papertiger’s .188.
Speaking of Balls would Z grow a pair and try calling the Yanks about a trade for a power hitter in disgruntled OF/DH Miguel Andujar? He’s getting screwed over by Gallo&Hicks right now and wants out. Yeah another pipe dream since he’s an actual baller, and Z loves his scrub pickups over a proven commodity..
agreed. Go get him
DJ? You have any NY info on the Yankers?
Nothing that’s not all over the internet, Chuck.
The Yank fans I talk to all like him since his monster rookie year.
None of the rumors I’ve read have the Giants as a potential landing spot…
1. Luis Gonzalez (L) RF
2. Mike Yastrzemski (L) CF
3. Darin Ruf (R) 1B
4. Joc Pederson (L) LF
5. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
6. Thairo Estrada (R) 3B
7. Tommy La Stella (L) DH
8. Donovan Walton (L) 2B
9. Curt Casali (R) C
P: Alex Wood (L)
Heal up, soon, Paulie. I’m sure those massage girls have some liniments to ease the pain.
Slush had said before that Thursday game vs. Rox was going to be pen game, but now she says, “Webb to start tomorrow, somewhat of a surprise. Means a bullpen game likely one of the LA games.”
weak spot of that zone–middle at free throw line or below. One of the lower defenders has to step up and take that away. Horford already has more than all last game.
This one looks over already. Can’t hit shit once again. Missing layups and clanging 3s. Sure there’s time but we aren’t getting any open looks and the ones we get we miss
Could of been worse down 11, but they have no answer for Jaylen Brown and his 17 points on 6-9 shooting..
Somewhat of a surprise the Giants don’t give Craw a day after after his quad tighten up and a sinus infection he’s been dealing with?
Why not DH him atleast? Unless he totally conned Kap into playing..
Second time in, Klay hits 3 off kick out after offensive board by Looney, and then hits 2 FTs. Steph gonna need someone to help with scoring.
Stadium is empty…
All watching the Dubs?
Quick 8-0 run cuts deficit nearly in half.
Boston is going to take every opportunity to get Green to explode, that last foul just shoving him down from behind was BS around half court ..
Giants DFA’d Padulo which is fine good riddance, but then Z can’t help himself from picking up another STIFF!
Pitcher Shelby Miller who has pitched for 6 teams ( that should tell u how much he SUCKS) gets a minor league contract.Yeah whatever,it’s a no loss signing and he will be released, But WTF I’m just sick of this shit not going out and trying to get real talent in here for a change!!
only one Doc. Magician when airborne around hoop
Points in paint 32-16 Boston. Celts also up 10 on boards. See if GS has another good 3rd Q in them.
AK, your 7:59am was quite funny. And funny thing is, I need hip replacement and had booked it already when the inguinal hernia kind of exploded on me, so had to take care of that first. Now feeling in no hurry to go back to the hospital for the hip, think I’ll put it off for a bit. I remember you talking about yours, doesn’t sound like fun.
Note to Craig and massa girls and balls: I guess my balls hang lower and bigger than most they’ve seen. It’s mostly just amusing to them. Unfortunately, they don’t marvel so much over my bat, only my balls. Sad trombone.
“Video unavailable in your country.” Damn….
lol. So much info! I’ve just never seen chicks sit around and celebrate balls but the fuck it’s Vietnam what do i know?
Yes, TMI, I’m going to stop now. 🙂
Sounds like we have both had worn out body parts Paul. I had to have neck surgery first over the hip cause I was losing feeling in my hands and numbness in my forearms,and of course the doctor said you should of done this procedure a few years earlier it’s much more important then the hip and she was right of course.
I was all in getting my hip replacement and only a few days away from surgery in March and then Covid shut down my surgery for 3 more months which was a total letdown.My hip right hip was osteoporosis arthritic too the max and my left though not as bad still messed up some , but I’m not going in for a second one anytime soon. I’m done getting my body sliced up the last 2 years plus..Best of luck with your recovery Paul..
Thanks Kat!
Oh, and happy birthday, Charlie, maybe a day late now…
Gonzalez out at plate. Giants have scored 1 run in last 13 innings off Rox pitching.
Funny how Boston never misses an opportunity to dive in Steph’s legs.
Oh well. Game 4 becomes large
Second straight very good start for Wood.
Agree unequivocally with Willie’s 7:56, particularly regarding Kap. This team is “night and day” compared to last year’s squad (as Willie and a couple of other Flappers have indicated).
James’s 6:00pm spot on too. Z was absolutely correct about Joe being his type of player. Unfortunately, Z didn’t have the “rope” of a 107 win season yet, whereby he could keep him for an extended period.
That’s about as terrible an AB as you’ll see from a player who’d been 3-3.
Joc had chance there after SB and wild pitch. 4-22 in June, 1 solo HR.
Still waiting for the collapse, eh? 🙂
Saved a run there though with nice grab.
He does make the occasional unexpectedly good play out there.
Golden Sombero night for Joc is even worse.Atleast Yaz has 3 hits not 4K’s..
We need a walk off in the worst way.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery Paul!
Thanks Dude
I didn’t think any pitcher could challenge Gearrin in being slow as fuck but this Kinley dude is damm close! Get this pitching clock going now, why wait ?
Opps I mean a win!
I’m calling Estrada for the win!
We need a double!
Shock a guy hitting .184 got out:(
Lets GO!!
Joc showing the D, now get the damn ghost runner home.
Is the ghost runner rule here to stay?
E-9 wins it!
Glad to see Blackmon fuck it up.
YES!!!!
Big hit by Gonzo, good to see it.
Thank you for being a goat tonight Charlie!
Sorry Charlie only the best tuna gets to be in Starkist ..
Oops, speaking of Charlie, I wished the wrong “Chuck” a happy birthday. HB to Chi Chuck…
Maybe you can conjure him, too!
Wishing you a happy endi…, uh, recovery, Paul !
lulz…
Hang onto that Wild Card spot.
Paul, I hope you’re feeling better real soon.
Thanks, Zum