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He Sees Numbers

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 23, 2022

The biggest problem with a numbers guy like Kap is that his decisions can go spectacularly wrong on a game to game basis. And that’s extrememly frustrating for fans who live and die on a game to game basis. The bottom line is, I think we’ve seen all the evolution we’re going to see from Kap. He’s changed a lot since he was managing the Phillies, and all for the good.

But when it comes to pitching decisions, man buckle up, he’s going to continue to frustrate the bejesus out of us.

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  1. Giant Head said, on June 23, 2022 at 6:55 am

    My issue with the pure analytic mindset that Kapler and his staff rely on may work more often than not but terms of traditional baseball strategy when you have a bunch of right handed bats maybe don’t keep the lefty in there after a couple of people get on base.

  2. Giant Head said, on June 23, 2022 at 6:57 am

    Same thing with keeping Doval in there last year too 9 Game 5 and lefty Bellinger hitting when you have a lefty in the pen (of course I don’t think McGee was even warming up but don’t remember). Same thing Tuesday night. Doval should not be in there with a four run lead. If he does not pitch Tuesday he is available last night and more thank likely that leads to a win and two of three in the series.

  3. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 7:13 am

    Mgr gets daily report on who is available and who is not. Second game of series was close before Giants extended the lead on Flores hit and Doval was already up and throwing so sitting him back down wasn’t gonna help. Unfortunate he wound up with stressful inning after Olson bomb.
    Rogers had worked 2 good innings vs. Braves I think in 5th and 6th innings of that game, so there was that to go on as well.

    I can give Kap credit for being creative (without strict roles) and trying to find right guy in “high leverage” situations as he called them. He’s used Doval before as early as 6th. That’s how he rolls As for using McGee vs. RHs, Rodon had wiped out Braves RHs all game. And Wood goes today so they all have to be prepared.

    Brebbia (gulp) has actually looked pretty good lately although he almost gave up a bomb to first guy he faced, a rocket that just went foul. Btw Garcia Alvarez (on IL) McGee Leone Brebbia Doval Rogers, not a bad group. Overworked? OK but each of better teams will have same issue.

    Doesn’t mean it’s always gonna work out, as Flav said.

    • unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 7:45 am

      Come on, you can sit down Doval and not bring him in the other day. Kapler is slow on getting people ready. That has been proven over and over.

      And there’s something to be said for relievers having consistent roles.

      • willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 8:06 am

        Most pitchers hate that, getting up and throwing x amount of warmups and then sitting down and not getting in game. The warmups are wear and tear on arm. Agree Kap often has only 1 guy getting loose at a time and waits too long occasionally. Thought Rodon could have gone another inning at least yesterday myself.

        Just think the whole “roles” thing wildly overrated. Reliever effectiveness shouldn’t be directly related to what inning you pitch in, especially in pitch count era. Getting guys out when you’re called upon and helping team win is goal, right?

      • unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 8:26 am

        Most pitchers hate that? That’s their job as relievers. Tough shit. Bochy had guys up and down all game. Most other coaches as well. Sure, having specific slots may be overrated, but since guys ‘hate’ getting up and down, they’d prolly like a set role as a reliever.

        For all his analytics, Kapler seems to struggle with getting lefty/righty matchups late in games. Having McGee ready while he lets Rogers get ripped by lefties is baffling.

  4. djloo27 said, on June 23, 2022 at 7:47 am

    Brebbia hasn’t given up a HR yet this season in 29.2 innings.
    Rogers only 1 in 32.2

    Littell 6 in 26
    Leone 4 in 26.2

  5. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 8:21 am

    Today’s line up brought to you by the Braves’ organist.

    • willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 8:55 am

      mm thanks for adding this, Unc. Slush twitter had thread from Braves organist, and someone from ATL commented on positive responses from Giants fans. Then added, “chop on.” um no pls stop that BS. Braves have good team but that nonsense is effed up.

  6. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 8:26 am

    Got to say I do like the last one.

    • Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:03 am

      Yes, an inspired choice.

  7. djloo27 said, on June 23, 2022 at 8:43 am

    I don’t get the Yaz one…

    • Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:04 am

      That and La Stella’s. I had to look up Saved By The Bell to get that one.

      • djloo27 said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:12 am

        Stella means star in some other language – maybe Italian…

      • Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:16 am

        Ah, thanks.

  8. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 8:46 am

    To pile on Loo’s 7:47, McGee had only given up 1 HR in previous 20 innings. He had thrown 7 2/3 shutout innings in last 9 appearances, giving up 2 hits 1 BB.
    3rd guy due up in 9th was Olson, who’d yanked one of Doval’s 99 mph fastballs out the yard day before.

    Not his biggest fan but I don’t think Kap has gotten dumber since winning 107–his players lost last night’s game with poor D and ineffective relief. What were Braves fans thinking top 9–Snitker had screwed up and left kid in as SF padded lead, right?
    It’s so not 2010 when Sabes can go out and reload his pen and add a Cody Ross at deadline. Giants are who they are at this point and staff and rest of team getting healthier is all they can hope for.

  9. Flavor said, on June 23, 2022 at 8:53 am

    my biggest issue is that he burned Doval the day before when he had a 4 run lead. That was unnecessary. And it caused yesterday’s pickle.

    • willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:05 am

      Fair enough, but…top 9 score was 9-8 before SF rallied to add onto lead on Estrada single, then Flores drove in 2 and got thrown out at 2b. Doval was getting loose for 9th ostensibly to protect 1 run lead.
      Kap had already used (in order) Littell Rogers Brebbia McGee and Leone. Leone had given up 2 singles in 8th –would you have left him in?

  10. Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 8:57 am

    • djloo27 said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:15 am

      Sounds like the return of the Grave Duggar is imminent.
      We know what he is. A little speed and defense could help, I guess…

  11. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:27 am

    Ground attack. Longo needed to get ball in air there arrgh

  12. Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:28 am

    The rally killer strikes yet again.

  13. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:30 am

    Ball in air right away off Wood.

  14. zumiee said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:30 am

    “I don’t get the Yaz one…”

    My thought was that since “ya” can mean “you,” like “see ya later,” that it’s like “You-strzemski” for “Only You.”

  15. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:30 am

    When was Garcia placed on the IL ? I don’t see him on any transaction move report.

  16. zumiee said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:32 am

    Is Longo even a major leaguer next season? I’m doubting it.

  17. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:51 am

    hmmnn Baggs tweeted he’s hearing GD going to Rangers for IF Willie Calhoun.

  18. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:56 am

    Corrects it to say, “My mistake. Calhoun is an OF. Also hits LH.”

  19. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:59 am

    Grave Digger to the Rangers!!

  20. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:01 am

    For Willie Calhoun.

    nevermind . . .

  21. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:01 am

    Story on GD trade on MLBTR just now.

  22. Flavor said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:09 am

  23. Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:09 am

    Can they trade Wood too?

  24. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:10 am

    Ballgame as Wood sucks Ass!
    Tons of Bullpen guys today..

  25. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:15 am

    Wow. Knew that game yesterday was gonna be important.

    Can’t wait to read about how desperately the team will regret trading Gravedigger.

  26. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:17 am

    Just what the Giants need another LH hitting outfielder…

  27. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:18 am

    Well, we’d better beat up on the dregs we are playing at home the rest of the week and next . . . .

    The Braves ain’t defending champs for nothing.

  28. Bozo said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:21 am

    Got that hitting a double play ball down pat.

  29. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:24 am

    6 hits in 3 innings?!? Fuck this team. Blow the whole thing up. Sofa king tired of this constant struggle.

    Shades of 2008.

  30. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:35 am

    This may be the first time I see a team hit into 9 DPs.

  31. Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:38 am

    Four double plays in 4 innings. That’s fucking ridiculous.

  32. Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:45 am

    Watched the game on MLB Network, but I can’t take it anymore. Not just the score, but it’s the Braves feed, and their play-by-play guy is a homer to the nauseatingly extreme. Makes me appreciate the Giants and Mets announcers even more.

  33. Bozo said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:45 am

    Wouldn’t you know it, Gonzo isn’t available to pitch today.

  34. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:46 am

    Maybe Giants trying to save Gonzalez arm.
    Might have been in there at some point today.

  35. Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:54 am

    There will be no DP this inning!

  36. Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 10:57 am

    Only Yaz has 3 Ks.

  37. Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:02 am

    Looking at Calhoun stats, I wish it was Kole instead.

  38. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:13 am

    Well, a run in.

  39. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:14 am

    I’m thinking Tommy Shaw of Styx?

  40. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:14 am

    Another ground ball with sacks loaded. Thairo is extreme ground ball hitter to begin with, nothing new.
    Project for coaching staff.
    LaStella helps cut into lead and they finally knock out Braves chump SP.

  41. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:15 am

    Fuck. Woulda been another run. But they got a hit!

  42. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:17 am

    Flores Ruf and LaStella all have 2 hits each. SF has 10 of them and a BB one out into 6th. 1 2b 1 HR.

  43. Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:18 am

    Can they trade Slater too?

  44. Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:22 am

    Only Yaz has 4 Ks.

  45. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:23 am

    Only You suck. 4 strikeouts to paradise. Pack your bags and leave tonight.

  46. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:34 am

    Now it’s Garcia’s turn to suck.

  47. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:43 am

    58 pitches, but he got through it.

  48. Bozo said, on June 23, 2022 at 11:44 am

    He’s better than Ezra.

  49. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 12:06 pm

    Man, bad read by Shorto.

  50. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2022 at 12:12 pm

    Gonzalez went on the DL with back tightness, they called up Johnboy Walton.

  51. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2022 at 12:15 pm

    I wish they just callup Yermin Mercedes and David Villar right now instead of always going with broken down players..

  52. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2022 at 12:17 pm

    Just the Giants awful luck Slater missed tying it up with his shot to right that just needed more height 😩

  53. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 12:26 pm

    Pen guys were heroes today only 1 run allowed.

  54. Bozo said, on June 23, 2022 at 12:29 pm

    Open up dem pearly gates.

  55. Bozo said, on June 23, 2022 at 12:32 pm

    Just too many mistakes to overcome today.

  56. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2022 at 12:40 pm

    4 killer DP’s and a shitload of K’s way to much to overcome..

  57. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 12:53 pm

    They made a fight out of it anyway.

  58. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 12:55 pm

    Villar has been crushing down on the farm. Yet we get Fairchild, Pudlo, Papierski, and the Brebbia aisle all fucking season.

  59. Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 12:57 pm

    I missed the Slater hit, just saw the video, how was Estrada not on 3rd? Another frustrating loss.

  60. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2022 at 1:04 pm

    Cause slow poke Longoria almost stopped at 3rd so Estrada had to unfortunately hold up.Cost them another run I believe?

    • Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 2:00 pm

      Jeez, not only are they slow but they’re dumb.

    • unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 2:11 pm

      Yeah, Estrada had to go back toward 1st as Longo stood 10′ off 2nd watching the ball sail over the RFers head. He fucking scored but Estrada couldn’t get to 3rd. Didn’t really see what happened behind Longo, but it should have been 2nd and 3rd.

      So many fucking mistakes. I think all the DPs were on 1st pitches. Or maybe that’s just my fucked up memory.

      • Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 2:23 pm

        I had to check, only the 4th and last one (Estrada) was first pitch. The others: 0-1 (Longo), 2-2 (Slater), 0-2 (Ruf).

  61. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 2:31 pm

    Fucked up memory? Check.

    • Macdog said, on June 23, 2022 at 2:40 pm

      Two of the three were close anyway. 🙂

  62. zumiee said, on June 23, 2022 at 2:41 pm

    The Dodgers demolished the Reds this week, and the Dodgers drank ale from the skulls of Reds pitchers.
    The Reds really aren’t good.

  63. zumiee said, on June 23, 2022 at 2:50 pm

    During WWII, a British General named Brooke wrote this about Churchill in his diary:
    “Never have I admired and despised a man simultaneously to the same extent.”

    Giants fans are feeling some of that for the 2022 team roster.
    This next week or so seems huge for the team. If they don’t rack up a bunch of wins against some bad teams, then things get real dicey for the 2022 team.

  64. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 4:08 pm

    In that twitter thread where Pavs notes SF had put Gonzalez on IL, someone asks about Villar.
    Pavs says he isn’t on 40 man and doesn’t see him getting added.
    Then: “It’s no small thing to add a prospect to 40 man before you ‘have to.’ ”

    Walton was already on taxi squad that was traveling on road trip.

    Interesting though, what he said about adding guys.

    • willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 4:19 pm

      Mac at 8:57 above.

  65. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 4:16 pm

    Need of roster spot seems like explanation for GD move. GD had to come off IL and be added back onto the 40 man even if he was to be sent down. Calhoun is just a project likely be stashed away in Sac to see what happens. He is not on 40 man.

  66. willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 4:24 pm

    MIL beat STL today 6-4, tying both for first place in NL Central at 40-32.
    And pushing Giants (38-31) into 7th in NL standings. ATL now 41-30.
    Remember, the other 3 in that Division are Reds, Cubs and Pirates

  67. mrsprtdude said, on June 23, 2022 at 5:01 pm

    Fucking shit. So frustrating the little things that cost us games…

  68. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 5:26 pm

    GD whs out of options iirc. Calhoun has some left. The Doobie Dubon treatment.

  69. unca_chuck said, on June 23, 2022 at 6:00 pm

    Damn. Hugh “The King” McElhenny, running back for the 49ers in the 50s died yesterday. 93 years old.

    Part of the million dollar backfield with Joe the Jet Perry, John Henry Johnson, and YA Tittle. Great team that could never get past the Browns.

    • djloo27 said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:44 pm

      Thanks for not saying 93 years young.
      I can’t stand that one…

  70. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2022 at 7:37 pm

    Giants can spin it anyway they wanted to with GD ( great teammate yada yada yada) but the bottom line he’s hit rock bottom with the franchise and the knew it.Why would you just dump him for a dude far worse with a glove attached to his wrist? And Calhoun is a headcase( unlike GD) to boot,ticked off he was sent down recently,and wanted out of Texas.Even couldn’t stand ex Giant hitting coach Donnie Ecker’s hitting analytics.That should not fly well with the Giants who do the same damm thing Ecker did.

    But whatever Calhoun does have some pop more then GD could muster up, and for some stupid reason Kap likes him from his Dodger days? Ok? Weird trade,Giants are banking on power upgrade maybe, over a shit glove compared to GD..Either way seriously another LH out field bat?
    Curious now if they might even screw with Gonzalez now, he has options still just saying…
    Much rather see Mercedes who is on the 40 activated and Villar who is not but that’s the Giants way with their crazy pickups and activating strategy..

  71. djloo27 said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:20 pm

    • djloo27 said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:22 pm

      I guess I sealed his fate at 9:15 AM.
      He was gone in less than an hour….

      • willedav said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:48 pm

        Ah he’ll get a better chance to play in Houston. Btw Wade Jr Joc Yaz and Gonzalez he was blocked as LH OF in SF. See what happens. As AK said Giants former hitting coach Donnie Ecker is over there, as bench coach and offensive co-ordinator (?) for Rangers.

  72. alleykat69 said, on June 23, 2022 at 9:39 pm

    Duggar Texas Ranger the Sequel to Chuck Norris, Walker Texas Ranger just needs a Cowboy Hat 🤠


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