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Seeing Red

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 27, 2022

Two Wins. Four Losses. To the team that is TRYING to lose games. How do you click at a .333 win percentage vs a team TRYING to lose games?

Also, this: Disco died twice. The first time in 1980 and then again in 2022. The Giants can’t keep running that joker out there. He’s an auto L.

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  1. willedav said, on June 27, 2022 at 7:43 am

    “You wonder if the Giants have allowed themselves to get stale.”. Bags in Athletic. 175 respond and agree He also mentioned attendance down and fans chime in at length on why.

  2. Winder said, on June 27, 2022 at 7:56 am

    Expectations certainly have dwindled. If I was in town I would still go out and watch em though. Nothing like a day at the park.

    • willedav said, on June 27, 2022 at 8:06 am

      lot of comments on how in game experience has gotten worse, from parking $$, food and concessions, yada yada. Also how effed up StubHub is and that fans that do have seasons or partials unable to offload them.

      • Winder said, on June 27, 2022 at 8:09 am

        Thanks, didn’t know that. Sounds like bad business to me.

      • unca_chuck said, on June 27, 2022 at 9:51 am

        It;s no different than at any time in the last 22 years. You just have to be smart about where you park and what you eat and drink. $30.00 is the low for parking but you can find it. And it is $16.00 for a 24 oz Modelo. The best value? Outrageous, but drink before you get there.

        Same as it ever was.

      • Flavor said, on June 27, 2022 at 9:55 am

        i think i’ve parked up there for maybe 2 games over the last 22 years. The rest of the games I train it

      • Macdog said, on June 27, 2022 at 10:04 am

        We found $15 parking at Pittsburgh for the Sunday game, and it was only 2 blocks from the ballpark. Can’t say what the beer $ was since I didn’t imbibe that day.

  3. willedav said, on June 27, 2022 at 8:03 am

    After Baggs says Giants have “core of loyal and supportive fans”, he asks, “After a weekend like this you wonder if the organization has taken them for granted.” I think he hits nail on head here. Other than Joc, no one brings fans in or gets them fired up for an AB. After season like he’s had so far, would Giants pay to keep him?

    • Winder said, on June 27, 2022 at 8:11 am

      That kind of reminds me of Jack Clark, as infuriating as his strikeouts were his at bats were still fun.

  4. Flavor said, on June 27, 2022 at 8:26 am

    Giants spend way too much time selling their past. I’m all for honoring the old guys now and then but if the product on the field is old and slow and hurt, well, that’s not enough for me

  5. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on June 27, 2022 at 8:27 am

    In addition to last thread’s bit on rooting for the laundry, one other thing I’ve been thinking is that I don’t currently see much progress from where this team was when Z took over and supposedly started some kind of rebuild or retool or whatever. It’s being run differently, obviously, and I know it’s pretty stupid of me to think that winning 107 games last year doesn’t indicate some kind of progress, but I don’t currently see a team that’s built for the near future. Some sense of longevity and consistency, like what marked much of the 3 in 5 teams.

    A few years ago, I figured at this point, we’d be looking at several positions already set for a new rebuilt run. But among the current position players, I’m not sure I could say that any of them will be on the team 3 years from now. Pitching, maybe just Webb. There’s always the promise of someone coming up from the minors, so that would take a bit longer, of course… but still thought that by now there would be more of establishing some decent young starting players for a good run, and less of what seems to be kind of a year-to-year strategy. Maybe in this age of baseball, with a trend toward shorter contracts, that becomes more the norm…

  6. Macdog said, on June 27, 2022 at 8:32 am

    As a fan, it’s not a good sign when I’m glad there’s no game today. It’s not just losing 2 of 3 at home to the dreadful Reds, it’s the way they lost: completely lifeless on Friday, and blown out by the 3rd inning (thanks to Disco) yesterday. Bad defense, inconsistent pitching, and far too often a lack of hitting vs. the opposing starter, Forget the division, this team better get it together soon or else they’re going to fall too far behind for the wild card spots.

  7. unca_chuck said, on June 27, 2022 at 8:41 am

    They drew real well this Reds series weirdly enough. But as I’ve been saying, trotting out and sending down these AAA guys for 5 day stints (Fairchild, Pudlo, Llovera, Johnboy, yadda yadda yadda) and then released/sent back down is a joke when there are guys that SHOULD be up.

    They seem to be running the team simply based on the fact they have options. Dubon for a useless Papierski is great I guess as neither is doing anything, and the same fate befell the Grave Digger. Will Calhoun do anything more than be a AAA OFer? Prolly not, but trading shit for shinola isn’t gonna help the team in the long run.

    They don’t want to start Villar’s FA clock? Yet there’s Delaplane taking up a spot on the 40 man roster?

    Our strategy appears to be picking other team’s turds off the side of the road and giving them playing time while letting our own guys languish in Sacto.

    • Flavor said, on June 27, 2022 at 9:48 am

      “shit for shinola”–good one, Chuck.
      And another spot on take from you, Paul

      • djloo27 said, on June 27, 2022 at 11:42 am

    • Macdog said, on June 27, 2022 at 10:11 am

      Dubon at least hit a 2-run single for a 3-0 lead yesterday vs. the Yanks, in what became a 6-3 loss in 10 innings. Papierski was claimed off waivers a couple days ago by . . . the Reds, who sent him to AAA Louisville.

  8. alleykat69 said, on June 27, 2022 at 10:05 am

    When you still have players from 2012 on your team(Belt&Craw) you know your an old squad.Add a Longoria older then both and so many more in there 30’s it doesn’t get fired up anymore watching them bumble around and showing their true ages now..

  9. djloo27 said, on June 27, 2022 at 11:01 am

    On a positive note, Webb and Rodon is a damn good 1-2 at the top of the rotation…

  10. djloo27 said, on June 27, 2022 at 11:07 am

    And $16 for a 24 oz Modelo is not bad at all by today’s standards.
    I also only travel to games by subway/railroad.
    Not only is parking outrageous but it stops (or at least limits) the beers and here in NY and NJ a big issue is getting out of the lot after the game. I’ve heard it can take as much as 2 hours…

    • unca_chuck said, on June 27, 2022 at 12:05 pm

      Yep. Better than buying an $18.00 Anchor (or whatever) on draft for 12-14 oz.

      Yeah, the key to parking is getting a spot near the onramp to 80 East. There’s a $30.00 parking spot, if you get there early, on Rincon and Federal streets. It’s a little further of a walk, but it’s easy to get out.

    • Macdog said, on June 27, 2022 at 12:55 pm

      I can’t remember the last time I drove to a Mets/Yanks game. The train/subway from Jersey is a pain in the ass, but it’s still preferable to getting there by car.

  11. snarkk said, on June 27, 2022 at 11:18 am

    I heard on KNBR this morning that the Giants are the 13th highest payroll in MLB.
    They certainly aren’t the 13th highest in revenue — gotta be much higher, even with the lower attendance levels.
    That’s telling me that this year they’re doing a respite year. Management has decided that If they make the playoffs via wild card, then fine. If not, fine…

  12. djloo27 said, on June 27, 2022 at 11:35 am

    Stumbled onto this website and there’s some good stuff for old Giant diehards to peruse on an off day…


    • unca_chuck said, on June 27, 2022 at 12:48 pm

      Your are dislodging weird things inside my brain.

      • djloo27 said, on June 27, 2022 at 1:23 pm

        Right? I can even forgive the guy referring to Sam McDowell as a RHP…

  13. unca_chuck said, on June 27, 2022 at 12:47 pm

    Too funny. I remember being a kid, we changed the words to the Giants song:

    “When the Giants come to town, it’s bad bad baseball.
    They will really make you frown, it’s bad bad baseball
    Crap is in the making at Candlestick park.
    They look like they are playing in the dark . . .”
    When the Giants come to town, it’s bad bad baseball.

    That’s as far as we got. Fuck, I’m getting old and stupid rando shit is bubbling up through my subconscious.

    • djloo27 said, on June 27, 2022 at 1:28 pm

      That’s excellent, Chuck.
      The versions I’ve heard of the Rangers victory song are unprintable in 2022…

  14. unca_chuck said, on June 27, 2022 at 1:04 pm

    To Paul’s comment, back when the new regime took over in 2018, I think the prevailing sentiment was that the team they had was shit, the farm was kaput, and the whole kit and caboodle needed massive help going forward.

    The Bore Core should be jettisoned, rebuild the farm, and the team would see progress heading into the 2023 season.

    Then last year happened and the Bore Core suddenly revivified and they played out of their minds. But (at least to me) they didn’t change their philosophy of picking up discarded turds on the side of the road while they let the farm kids develop. All these guys losing a season of development due to COVID really hurt their development, but they haven’t changed course. even with the unexpected 107 win season.

    Can’t say I’m happy with the decisions being made, but I get it. Still think we could have gotten Ohtani without too much trouble, but fuck the rest of the Castellanos, Bryants, Seagers, and other overpaid guys who are doing fair to poor. And I also am sick of the revolving turds trotted out there day to day.

    They CAN bring up Villar and Pereda rather than Pudlo and Fairchild, or Papierski, or Calhoun, or or or or or or or . . .

    • snarkk said, on June 27, 2022 at 1:46 pm

      At least Bryant wasn’t signed; they let the Rockies hand him gazillions for being hurt off/on the next half decade…

  15. willedav said, on June 27, 2022 at 2:13 pm

    Think Paul makes good point above. Who among current group will be here in 3 years? Are any of them guys you build a championship team around? Seems like 2022 is more of what we thought 2021 was gonna be.
    Braves have Acuna Swanson Olson and SPs.
    Dogs have Trea Turner Will Smith Betts and SPs. And just beat Braves 2 of 3 in ATL without some of them.

    • djloo27 said, on June 27, 2022 at 4:51 pm

      Webb, Doval, Thairo?

  16. willedav said, on June 27, 2022 at 2:46 pm

    Marlin Briscoe dead at age 76. First black QB in AFL, 1968 for Denver. He left after they wouldn’t commit to him and went to Buffalo. roommate there was James Harris, who became first black QB to win playoff game with Rams. Outspoken man who always claimed he got short shrift despite prowess as wide receiver.

  17. snarkk said, on June 27, 2022 at 3:38 pm

    The Dubs are kicking the Giants ass in the Bay Area pro sports interest department since 2014. Dubs have real personalities who get/keep your interest, in the players and Kerr, and they actually WIN championships — I’ll take 4 in 8 with 6 Finals appearances over the 3 in 5. Dubs ownership doesn’t have a problem with spending lots of money to get/keep top and good complimentary players — and shockingly, doing that without supporting neo-Nazis and insurrectionists. As for the A’s, do they even play anymore? I can’t name one A’s player, not one…

    • djloo27 said, on June 27, 2022 at 4:54 pm

      But doesn’t baseball mean more to you?
      Wouldn’t teenage Snarkk have taken the Giants run over the Warriors?

      • snarkk said, on June 27, 2022 at 4:59 pm

        Yes, baseball means more. Definitely.
        But, I meant apples and apples re: the numbers only — so the Dubs win IMO as the best Bay Area franchise over the 2010-now period. With Posey gone, I think the Dubs take over even more as the top Bay Area sports team in broad interest, unless somehow the Niners make a win in the upcoming Super Bowl…

  18. xoot said, on June 27, 2022 at 4:51 pm

    Vogt’s back on the a’s and they have a guy named Neuse (“noisy”) playing 3B (I think). Their announcers spent the entire pregame show tonight talking about how good the yankees are.

    mlb owners met earlier this month and then mlb announced it would not charge the a’s a relocation fee to move to Las Vegas. Some people estimated that financial break might be worth a billion now.

    The owners really solidified their biz plans during the pandemic. Their unity clearly showed during the CBA negs (which, parenthetically, led to reinstatement of revenue sharing to the a’s). a’s face some hurdles to their Oakland waterfront ballpark/massive development plan. No contract with the city yet, and a couple of strong CEQA lawsuits headed for final hearing in August. (The other zoning issues don’t seem debilitating.)

    I wonder how the Giants will respond if they become the only game in town? Or if they have to compete with a new ballpark in Oakland. a’s current owner, son of the Gap’s Fisher who helped keep the Giants here in 92, doesn’t seem to give a shit about baseball. If the ballpark project goes through, he could sell the team and reap his profits off the other real estate. Then the a’s, in a new park, might improve. And . . . .

    Would it be better for everyone if the a’s moved into a domed stadium in Vegas connected by a walkable mall to a nearby casino?

    • snarkk said, on June 27, 2022 at 5:01 pm

      Lacob’s built his basketball palace. Next.
      IF the A’s get their entitlements nailed down to this development plan, Lacob should lead a consortium to buy out Fisher and take over the A’s. He’d have that team back in contention in 2 seasons, in the WSeries in 4…

    • xoot said, on June 27, 2022 at 5:15 pm

      I heard the Warriors payroll and lux tax combined was over $350 million this past season and could go to $500 mil if they re-sign a few of the free agents they want to keep. The tech boom’s quieted down and some sort of dip’s in play, for a while, anyway. That’ll affect revenues and investments. But maybe things will be better by the time the Howard Terminal park opens (or doesn’t).

  19. djloo27 said, on June 27, 2022 at 7:09 pm

    Yahoo looking ahead to trade deadline a month away…

    Maybe the most interesting addition to the seller’s bucket would be the Giants. They are basically an entire team of easily traded contracts — solid veterans on short-term commitments. There’s no indication they are headed toward a selling posture, but if the wind blew them that way, there would suddenly be quite a few more options on the market, including ace Carlos Rodon and perennial playoff terror Joc Pederson.

    • willedav said, on June 27, 2022 at 7:59 pm

      mm, probably a reliever or two as well if Giants decided to go that route.

  20. mrsprtdude said, on June 27, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    I hope not. It would be a shame to have the last season of the Flap be a teardown!

  21. zumiee said, on June 27, 2022 at 9:27 pm

    Atlanta’s Jansen blew a save last night, and the Dodgers ended up defeating Atlanta in 11 innings; but all that, plus a cross-country flight to Colorado, and its thin air, may all have taken something out of the Dodgers tonight, and the Rockies get the win.

  22. unca_chuck said, on June 27, 2022 at 9:57 pm

    The next 5 weeks will tell the tale.

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