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Another Loss In Arizona

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 27, 2022

I still can’t get over that kicked bat by Rodon. Like, what did he think was going to happen? He was in a dugout with people in it. Is he a complete idiot?

Nothing left to do now except hope Z finds some buyers for some of our guys. I personally don’t see it other than maybe Yaz to the Red Sox, possibly Rodon somewhere. Nothing is going to bring much back. All we’ll really get is the satisfaction of saying goodbye to guys we’re sick and tired of looking at every day.

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  1. djloo27 said, on July 27, 2022 at 7:34 am

    Reminds me of the smartest thing I ever posted here:
    I never complained about the Giants until I had a place to do it…

    • James said, on July 27, 2022 at 8:02 am

      The final decay of The Republic explained in one sentence.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 27, 2022 at 8:42 am

      Well, that was e every bar in Burlingame in the 80s.

  2. alleykat69 said, on July 27, 2022 at 8:23 am

    The walking dead of all baseball teams as Z will try and sell off clunkers for more clunkers..
    Looked like Rodon was just wanting to speed up his trade request with his childish act on first Bailey when he slammed his glove down and it bounced up and grazed him, and of course the Rodon field goal attempt nailing Thario in the shin, who then goes to hit and gets drilled by a pitch.What a rough few minutes for Estrada sadly..

  3. willedav said, on July 27, 2022 at 8:38 am

    Chron said 40 thou at the O for soccer game. Baer can only dream Giants draw that many, although with Dogs back in next week could happen. Too much blue in yard a bad look.

  4. willedav said, on July 27, 2022 at 8:45 am

    Part of Brisbee’s take in Athletic is that finding true D first CF fixes some things, by moving Slater and Yaz (or maybe Wade Jr and Gonzalez to sub in) to the corners and taking others out of OF. Gotta admire young guys on DBacks in OF and SS for range and athleticism.

    Last time Wade Jr had a start was July 17 when he hit 3 run bomb.
    Shea said Bart was throwing up and not feeling well as for why Wynns below replacement back in there.

  5. willedav said, on July 27, 2022 at 8:56 am

    A’s signed top draft pick Daniel Susac. All I remember about older brother Andrew Susac was that he always seemed to get hurt, though he wasn’t as awful as Hacktor or the Prez etc.

  6. Bozo said, on July 27, 2022 at 9:03 am

    Awhile back I said something like Vaun Brown wasn’t doing much at the high A Emeralds. Maybe not with a bat, but that kid has an arm.

    • willedav said, on July 27, 2022 at 9:09 am

      thanks, that was pretty cool. This guy tore up San Jose and got promoted. Right now Emeralds probably more fun to watch than big Giants. Lot of the top prospects down there too, including 3b/SS Casey Schmitt from San Diego State. Is Luciano still out?

    • blade3colorado said, on July 27, 2022 at 9:39 am

      Vaun moved up 16 spots per this site. I like him a lot.

      https://aroundthefoghorn.com/posts/sf-giants-top-30-prospects-mid-season-update-01g6evq2t7qv

      John, I like his team mate quite a bit too, Luis Matos. Swatted his third homer in four games for High-A Eugene a week ago. This kid can hit and field (center field), but he was injured earlier this season and has had a hard time coming back . . . He’s in Arizona I think at the moment. Winder probably has good info on both these dudes.

      https://www.mlb.com/video/luis-matos-diving-grab

  7. Winder said, on July 27, 2022 at 9:44 am

  8. djloo27 said, on July 27, 2022 at 10:44 am

    I think a case can be made that Joe Horlen could’ve beaten out Jim Lonborg for AL Cy Young in 1967…

    • Macdog said, on July 27, 2022 at 12:23 pm

      That is a close one. Two big stat advantages for each: Horlen ERA (2.06 to 3.16), Lonborg Ks (246 to 103). Lonborg likely got the nod for topping the magic number in wins while Horlen fell one short. Playing on the pennant winner probably didn’t hurt either.

    • djloo27 said, on July 27, 2022 at 12:37 pm

      You’re right, Mac…

  9. Giant Head said, on July 27, 2022 at 11:02 am

    This is the issue with executives like Farhan from previous generations of baseball executives who were long-timers around the game as former players or just began their lives around baseball. People like Al Rosen. Old school baseball game execs and managers would recognize a dead team that has imploded and would begin making big changes. Farhan is stuck to numbers numbers numbers and has no sense of player culture or being part of a clubhouse to be cognizant of the walking dead.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 27, 2022 at 11:20 am

      Nope. He’s working his plan of building the farm and adding pieces when his guys come up. Whether Mr. Kotter survives long enough for these guys to be called up is the question.

      This was the plan when Farhan got here. Last year was a huge anomaly as the bore core all played way over their previous few seasons. Last year should have been a lot like this year. To base anything upon that anomaly is short-sighted at best. This year is not bearing fruit as we see the bore core become the sore core and none of them can stay on the field for any amount of time.

      Kapler’s platooney ball worked last year. His pen moves for the most part worked. This year everything is now the upside down world. Same team, but vastly different results. No one was complaining about Farhan last year as they won a ton of games. Now he doesn’t get it? Right.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 27, 2022 at 11:29 am

      The point being, the team is counting on 4 old hurt guys and a bunch of AAA castoffs. They aren’t going anywhere. Next year we’ll see a 90+ loss season as they weed through the last of the Sabean/Evnas guys and bring up some of their guys.

      Farhan is a pretty successful exec and to say he has no sense of the state of the team is ludicrous. Do you expect this team to be a 95 win team? Esp with Belt, Longo, Crawfish, and LaStella hurt?

      Why would he throw money at a team that is so low on talent? That would be foolish and short-sighted.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 27, 2022 at 11:41 am

        Just saw your 2 GH replies . . . Agree.

      • Giant Head said, on July 27, 2022 at 5:25 pm

        Thanks Blade

      • Giant Head said, on July 27, 2022 at 5:28 pm

        Chuck I don’t say he has no sense of this team…he has no sense of the baseball intangibles of clubhouse cohesion culture etc. Rodon kicking the bat and apparent clubhouse dissension is not something Farhan can run the numbers on. Time to blow the team up and don’t know he understands that or just continues his dumpster dive ethos.

    • blade3colorado said, on July 27, 2022 at 11:30 am

      Huh? I don’t see the connection. Al Rosen is a saint and he revitalized SF Giants baseball. One site says this about Rosen . . . “Al’s strength and determination to overcome any and all obstacles was the key factor in his rise to becoming a star ballplayer and his success as a baseball administrator. Physical and mental toughness served Rosen well through all his many life challenges: desertion by his father as a toddler, asthma as a youngster, racial taunts for his Jewish background, skepticism about his baseball abilities and his later travails as a Yankee and Astros executive. He indeed was “one tough Jew,” as Rosen once said of himself, and was a ballplayer and person that all could admire.”

      Consequently, I love the guy. However, how does that make Z less than Mr. Rosen as a GM? Or anyone else for that matter? Z has had quite a bit of success as a baseball administrator. Sheesh, last year, EVERYONE HERE WAS SINGING HIS PRAISES. Like Al, he was awarded Executive of the Year.

      Going to stay in his corner. By the by, he doesn’t hit, field, pitch or run . . . That’s up to the 9 guys on the field.

      • xoot said, on July 27, 2022 at 3:22 pm

        He also doesn’t prepare or coach the players. He may need to replace the mindfulness instructor, among others.

      • Giant Head said, on July 27, 2022 at 5:31 pm

        What had Billy Beane ever won? That is Farhan’s roll model. I will continue to argue that Farhan will never have the innate sense of the game as Rosen or maybe Billy Martin is a better example. This team needs a complete blow up.

      • Giant Head said, on July 27, 2022 at 5:34 pm

        And I expect not all of us remember what we have all said but I have been consistent in saying Farhan has to prove he can build a winner. 107 wins did not make the team a winner. He has been here long enough to put a team on the field with some more substance. Who signed Crawford to a two year deal? Farhan did. Who gave Belt another year? Farhan did.

      • snarkk said, on July 27, 2022 at 7:38 pm

        I’m still in on Farhan, like blade.
        He was handed an organization full of indigestion, and it’s working it’s way out of the system.
        Sure, 107 last year was an anomaly, but it happened.
        IMO, next year the rubber meets the road for Farhan…

  10. djloo27 said, on July 27, 2022 at 12:13 pm

    1. Tommy La Stella (L) 3B
    2. Joc Pederson (L) LF
    3. Wilmer Flores (R) 2B
    4. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
    5. Luis Gonzalez (L) RF
    6. Thairo Estrada (R) SS
    7. Mike Yastrzemski (L) CF
    8. LaMonte Wade Jr. (L) DH
    9. Austin Wynns (R) C

    P: Logan Webb (R)

  11. Macdog said, on July 27, 2022 at 12:52 pm

    A shutout would be one way to break this skid . . . oh wait.

  12. unca_chuck said, on July 27, 2022 at 12:54 pm

    Did we start out a run down?

  13. Bozo said, on July 27, 2022 at 12:59 pm

    I guess I’m in the minority when I think that Zaidi makes the player decisions, not Baer, not the Johnsons. Sure, ownership makes a budget and to go over that I’d imagine that Zaidi has to get approval. That is the way they’ve run their business for years. So, I completely believe it was Zaidi’s call to re-sign the Brandons, and Ruf. It was also his call to pencil in Bart and Longo as his starters this year. This is the team he wanted, and he just didn’t have a plan B when things went south.

    Again, Zaidi’s contract is up next year, if ownership’s plan has been to go through a long rebuild, they will give him an extension, if it hasn’t been, they won’t.

    • James said, on July 27, 2022 at 1:21 pm

      I agree with you 100% that he’s making the calls. Were his decisions irrational? What would the back up plan look like for when basically an entire team is injured and/or underperforming? Some excuses are much better than others. Of course, the “bottom line” does at times have consequences that aren’t fair.

      • Bozo said, on July 27, 2022 at 1:47 pm

        I completely agreed with those signings, but I would have hoped our GM could have plugged some of those holes a bit quicker and not just with bats but also strong fielding players.
        Sometimes I wonder how much the juiced baseball last year skewed the way the team was built, but I guess that would have been an issue with other teams as well.

  14. djloo27 said, on July 27, 2022 at 1:59 pm

    Peralta was the pick on mlb.com as the guy the Giants should target at the deadline…

  15. Flavor said, on July 27, 2022 at 2:28 pm

  16. djloo27 said, on July 27, 2022 at 2:58 pm

    Webb looks like a character from SpongeBob SquarePants.
    He’s a tough SOB…

  17. unca_chuck said, on July 27, 2022 at 2:58 pm

    Here’s where the Giants trip over their dicks.

  18. unca_chuck said, on July 27, 2022 at 3:00 pm

    Team speed is something isn’t it?

  19. unca_chuck said, on July 27, 2022 at 3:02 pm

    And there you go. Belt had ZERO chance for that play. And he still throws it over Wynns’ head.

    Awesome.

  20. djloo27 said, on July 27, 2022 at 3:03 pm

    Once again…

  21. xoot said, on July 27, 2022 at 3:07 pm

    that’s not much of a captain right there now. the corrosion is contagious.

  22. unca_chuck said, on July 27, 2022 at 3:10 pm

    Just keep piling on the humiliation.

    Jesus. I thought if we went 3-4 on this roadie we’d be OK. 0-7s a bit worse.

  23. unca_chuck said, on July 27, 2022 at 3:27 pm

    E-strada.

  24. djloo27 said, on July 27, 2022 at 3:45 pm

    I don’t know how much more of this season I can watch…

  25. unca_chuck said, on July 27, 2022 at 3:46 pm

    ouchfuckouch

  26. alleykat69 said, on July 27, 2022 at 3:47 pm

    We Suck We Suck And We will continue to SUCK!!
    Yeah Check Swing Tommy Boy for strike 3 and the ballgame!!!

    • snarkk said, on July 27, 2022 at 7:03 pm

      Good thing they put the “n” in the middle of the name of that paperwork, else there might be a problem…

  27. mrsprtdude said, on July 27, 2022 at 6:44 pm

    A few days ago someone mentioned that after the lame called 3rd strike against Slater that kap should get mad! Yell at the ump, or maybe flip the training table ala Weaver or Lasorda. I Agree.

    The only guy in the whole organization who seems to give a shit we suck is Rondon! He called out the team a few weeks ago. He pitched great but we still suck. Now he kicked a bat! Did anybody die? No. Maybe they all need to kick something. Honestly he is the only player on the team besides Webb that I will be sad to see go!!!

    • James said, on July 27, 2022 at 7:07 pm

      If getting really angry was an asset, I would have been UC Berkeley’s CIO.

  28. snarkk said, on July 27, 2022 at 7:09 pm

    I paid no attention to the game today, assuming a loss was coming, and have been rewarded.
    At least the Gyros got more hits than errors today.
    I thought that after the LA sweep, that was possibly just being way out-talented, and things might right themselves in AZ. Nope.
    I’ll beg off watching the MLB highlights, and listening to Kappler’s latest post-loss gibberish.
    Yes, a 7-game losing streak qualifies as “we suck”. They gotta stop the bleeding before the streak hits double digits.
    That would be “double suck” or hopefully AKA, EVERYBODY is on the trading block…

  29. djloo27 said, on July 27, 2022 at 7:48 pm

    Sounds like Benintendi going to Yanks, so Yaz won’t be…

    • djloo27 said, on July 27, 2022 at 8:27 pm

      They gave up shit for Benintendi and are reportedly zeroing in on Castillo…

    • snarkk said, on July 28, 2022 at 12:07 am

      As I said yesterday, how hard is it to be a Yankee fan? Or, a Dodger fan?
      They pick up players as FAs or in trades like they’re just shopping for expensive fruit at Whole Foods, or picking up some special Euro cheeses at Zabars…

      • willedav said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:08 am

        well, btw them those 2 high end shoppers have 1 WS title since 2000, and that was in the 60 game “season.”
        It’s hard to stay good for long, as witness where teams like Cubs and Royals Nats are now. For all their Division titles over last 10 years Dogs still have only the one cheapo WS win.

  30. willedav said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:13 am

    Yanks trade also shows value in today’s world of young controllable pitching which is what Royals got back. Giants gave up Kilian, AA prospect, to get Kris Bryant but they don’t have guys like him in system now except for Kyle Harrison. Lack of production from Giants farm, as of now, has a lot to do with inability to make significant addition to talent base at ML level.


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