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From 107 to 77?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on July 28, 2022

So who goes at the trade deadline? Rodon, Pederson, Yaz and maybe Doval? I wonder if Z will try to package LaStella’s terrible contract into any deal he makes. Buckle up boys, this could happen fast and furious.

Either that or Z sits on his hands when he finds out he’s got no takers for those guys.

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  1. blade3colorado said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:05 am

    Sorry, I couldn’t resist . . . https://youtu.be/gtTV9tZeRD4

    • Winder said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:17 am

      That was fun. 77 Sunset Strip was a must see show in our house. Great period show for Hollywood.

      • blade3colorado said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:29 am

        Yes, same in our house. However, more affected by Tony Dow passing away at 77. I grew up in a dysfunctional home. Consequently, Leave It To Beaver was my benchmark for happiness. Back then, I always wondered if this was a true life depiction or pure fantasy. Turned out to be mostly fantasy, at least judging by my friends families, which were just as dysfunctional as mine. lol

      • Winder said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:37 am

        Yep. Just like the Ozzie and Harriet show the Beev’s family looked to good to be true.

  2. Bozo said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:32 am

    As we enter, what, the disgusted days of summer? I hope whatever move(s) Zaidi makes is to make the remainder of this year more competitive, and with next year in mind.

    Looking at our farm system, I’m not seeing (m)any difference makers for 2023, hopefully I’m wrong.
    My prospect long shot, Carter Williams, was sent back to San Jose from Eugene in June. Probably sent down to give Najee Gaskins a look and he wasn’t really doing much at high A. Since being sent down he’s hit 10 doubles, 1 triple and 7 HRs. His line for the low A team is .408/.490/.672 with a 1.162 OPS. I hope he’s not part of a package and I know he’s a huge long shot, but I’m really rooting for the guy.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:51 am

      I’d keep Doval. He has electric stuff.

      Bozo, this year is a wash. As is next.

      • djloo27 said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:08 am

        Not blown away by Doval but definitely keep him.
        They’ll have plenty of takers for Rodon.
        The others, who knows?

      • Bozo said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:49 am

        If there isn’t an answer to this year’s current collapse and no expectations for next year, Harris and Zaidi should be fired. The stated goal was to field a competitive team late into the season, while building within. It was not supposed to be a long term rebuild and having just one winning season out of five.
        Sabean was fired after going 2 1/2 losing seasons and he won us three championships.

  3. djloo27 said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:13 am

    We’re back in the Wilderness Years…

  4. willedav said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:14 am

    Most depressing thing about last few games (not counting allowing Melancon to get saves) is that watching the DBacks young core was so much more interesting than any Giants players not named Estrada.
    They have good farm and lot to look forward to for their fans.

    • Winder said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:19 am

      Curious to see how our farm is rated now. At the start of the season I believe we were in the top 10.

  5. willedav said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:21 am

    Flores could be one of those guys to spark post season run for anyone, like Howie Kendrick did for Nats or Eddie Rosario did for ATL vs. Dogs. Solid clubhouse guy (and leader among SF latin ballplayers) who can hit and fill in at different IF spots if needed.

  6. alleykat69 said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:22 am

    Guys like Doval, Santos,Marte&hopefully RJ Dabovich who they should callup are the young fire ballers they need to keep but they need to develop are trade for some LHP relievers for sure..

    Nobody is taking LaStella know teams are that stupid..

    • Flavor said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:33 am

      Well they would take him if it meant they had to give up less in prospects.

  7. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 10:07 am

    Bozo, the front office is waiting for their picks to make their way through the minors. No regime change before then. I’m sure Charlie, Greg, and whatever fucking Johnsons are minding the store don’t really give a shit, but we are looking now at 2024 or even 2025 to be competitive.

    They all lost a season of competitive ball due to COVID so that fucked up their plans somewhat.

    There will be an uproar as 2023 and 2024 are really bad penny years, but them’s the cards. Why throw money at a shitty team? If they can get 2 solid starters and a couple relievers out of the crop of pitchers they have, and a few position players through the farm and on the field by mid 2024, then they can look to spend in 2025.

    Last year (and COVID) really did set the team back a couple years in the development of the team.

    • Bozo said, on July 28, 2022 at 10:52 am

      I don’t know Unca, I have never heard that the FO was just waiting for the prospects to make their way through the system. Winning baseball puts butts in the seats and historically that has been the front office goal. You don’t get major TV revenue or national TV coverage with empty stands.
      Whatever, if you’re right I don’t expect to see playoff baseball in SF until 2025 or 2026 and that’s if our current group of kids actually become ML players and not Bowker redux.

      • xoot said, on July 28, 2022 at 11:11 am

        recent discussion about the a’s money sources (cf. their rock bottom payroll) reminded me that the teams get even shares of some mlb revenue streams. The owners used the down time during the pandemic to reevaluate their profit priorities. Their lockout and unified approach to the new CBA reflected their new consensus. They know what they’re doing. Wish I did. The mlb IT platform (sorry) is strong and getting more manipulatively sophisticated every day. They’re getting ready to make the move from cable-bundled tv to on-line. Meanwhile, I suspect they’ll be fine with fewer ballpark patrons on average at higher prices.

      • xoot said, on July 28, 2022 at 12:26 pm

        and SRO concerts and soccer games

  8. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 10:10 am

    But I do think Kapler goes after next season.

  9. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 10:11 am

    MLB.com has the Giants at 12th best farm in the majors after the draft.

    • djloo27 said, on July 28, 2022 at 10:21 am

      But the #1 vegetable farm in any ballpark…

      • alleykat69 said, on July 28, 2022 at 10:29 am

        Maybe so but the players play like spoiled vegetables..

  10. alleykat69 said, on July 28, 2022 at 10:27 am

    Everyone knows the last 2 months watching this team is they Suck!
    Defense and BP are horrible as is washed up players just playing out their huge contracts.Farm system is still 2-3 years away from helping! Don’t do what they did in Boch’s last year believing your in it,same with 2020!
    This team needs to sell not acquire, Rodon&Pederson are leaving anyway, get something it’s better then nothing like with what happened with Bum..

  11. Bozo said, on July 28, 2022 at 10:55 am

    Just got the book, Everybody Loves Me, by Leland Sklar. 11,000 photos of people flipping off the camera.
    Great stuff.

  12. Winder said, on July 28, 2022 at 11:50 am

  13. Winder said, on July 28, 2022 at 11:52 am

    Well it took a couple of try’s before I figured that music video’s don’t post anymore.

    • unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 1:13 pm

      Saw this tour. Great stuff.

      We . . .

      • Winder said, on July 28, 2022 at 2:41 pm

        How did you get that to post. The last few I tried just vanished. I liked some of the Who stuff but I wasn’t a great fan of em like most of my friends were. But I did like that one

  14. James said, on July 28, 2022 at 2:29 pm

    A friend suggested trading Rodon for a top flight prospect or two and then packaging him/them with a couple of our own to try to land Soto. I gave him a nod for a tiny bit of creativity.

    • Flavor said, on July 28, 2022 at 2:51 pm

      i really don’t have a lot of interest in getting Soto. You have to send 4-5 of your best prospects, ruining the system, AND THEN you have to give him 500 million dollars. That just sounds too complicated

      • James said, on July 28, 2022 at 3:13 pm

        The idea is to halve the number of current prospects you’d be giving up by combining them with some one else’s via Rodon. I’ll go out on a limb and say, barring injury, Soto will add more value to a team than, at the very least, any two of the Giants’ current prospects.

      • Flavor said, on July 28, 2022 at 4:01 pm

        Sure but you have to factor in the 500 million. That limits a lot.of flexibility for the next 10 years

      • James said, on July 28, 2022 at 4:26 pm

        Gambling on a Bonds like run from Soto would be worth it, IMO. If they did sign him to a long term deal, it wouldn’t make sense to penny pinch with the rest of the roster. They just simply wouldn’t go after him in the first place. 50 for Soto still leaves 200 which is 50 more than they spent this year and still less than LA and SD’s spend.

  15. Flavor said, on July 28, 2022 at 2:53 pm

    Winder for some reason your youtube vids were going into my spam filter. That happens sometimes. If you’re ever having trouble posting just email me bigflavor77@gmail.com

    • Winder said, on July 28, 2022 at 4:06 pm

      thanks

  16. James said, on July 28, 2022 at 3:27 pm

    “The mlb IT platform (sorry) is strong and getting more manipulatively sophisticated every day. They’re getting ready to make the move from cable-bundled tv to on-line.” I wish. Aren’t there a bunch of long term cable deals many franchises are enmeshed in? It seems like MLB would make paying to watch local games an option, if feasible. It’s unlikely to be a current technology barrier preventing it.

    • xoot said, on July 28, 2022 at 5:45 pm

      I think cable bundling is doomed, but it seems to be rotting slowly rather than vanishing. I have no idea how exclusive any of the franchise cable deals may be. Local blackouts on the mlb network must relate to such agreements, but mlb is still making money from them so a gradual shift seems feasible. As I say, I surely don’t know what the owners are up to, collectively, but I think there are definite signs on the surface. (Now, rule changes, gaming, gambling . . . .)

  17. djloo27 said, on July 28, 2022 at 4:39 pm

    1. Austin Slater (R) CF
    2. Darin Ruf (R) 1B
    3. Wilmer Flores (R) 2B
    4. Yermin Mercedes (R) DH
    5. Thairo Estrada (R) SS
    6. Joc Pederson (L) LF
    7. David Villar (R) 3B
    8. Joey Bart (R) C
    9. Mike Yastrzemski (L) RF

    P: Alex Wood (L)

    • snarkk said, on July 28, 2022 at 5:06 pm

      At least real OFers are playing in the OF …

  18. alleykat69 said, on July 28, 2022 at 5:00 pm

    Must be a LH pitcher going for the Cubs, cause thank god Kapler’s one game brilliant spark of LaStella leading off is done.And how the hell can you play his rag arm at 3rd anyway?

  19. snarkk said, on July 28, 2022 at 5:18 pm

    Sorry to hear about Tony Dow from LITB fame.
    That show was a favorite of mine as a kid for after-school TV viewing at home.
    I identified big time with The Beav. I had an older brother like Wally. Alternatively harassed and disdained by him, then protected, too, fortunately the latter more often than the former. Not too unusual in a 2-brother family, I think. Lumpy and “Hello Mrs. Cleeeeeever” Eddie Haskell are still there in the recesses of my brain. My brother is moving towards Tony Dow age, and I’m not liking that at all…

    • zumiee said, on July 28, 2022 at 5:38 pm

      I had an older brother who was one of the best older brothers of all time. He was five years older than me, so we didn’t hang out together all that much, but he was never unkind to me a single time. Never. I really mean that. Never a single time. Just a really sweet dude. And then the worst thing that can happen to a family happened. My older brother, in his early 20s, was killed in a car accident that wasn’t his fault. He was a passenger in a car driven by a friend of his.
      The next few years for me were a blur. I can look back now and see how traumatized I was. Our family just kind of existed in shock for a few years. Then my sisters started having children, and my parents were getting grandchildren, and there was new life in the family. Our family was finally able to move on.
      I’ve written about my brother on the Flap before. I’m grateful to have been with him the few years we had together. I had some friends whose older brothers were jerks to them. One of my friends had an older brother who was really cruel and sadistic to him. It always stunned me that some people had older brothers like that.

    • zumiee said, on July 28, 2022 at 5:49 pm

      Leave it to Beaver was a little ahead of my era. Its “gee whiz” innocence, where the dad and mom were endlessly patient and full of wisdom, didn’t play as well with later generations. In fact, thinking about the family shows I watch as a young person, it’s interesting how many of them were not the typical Leave it to Beaver type of family. Andy Griffith was raising a child with the help of Aunt Bea. The Brady Bunch was a blended family of step-parents and step-siblings, The Courtship of Eddie’s Father was about a single dad and his maid. The Nanny and the Professor, a single dad and the nanny. Partridge Family had a single mom. Even the Waltons were a little different in that grandparents lived with the family, which didn’t happen in shows before that. All in the Family showed tensions in a family with adult children sharing the house.

      • zumiee said, on July 28, 2022 at 5:55 pm

        Although, other than Archie Bunker, all the parents in those shows are endlessly patient and wise.

      • unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 6:38 pm

        Luck of the draw I guess. My bro was a major league asshole till I outgrew him. He was 6 years older than me so it took a while.

        Courtship and Brady Bunch/Partridges were my era. Beaver reruns were so unreal as to be laughable. Same with Mayberry/My 3 Sons. Who didn’t want an Asian maid after watching that show? Bill Bixby was my jam as My Favorite Martian was my fave as a little kid.

      • James said, on July 28, 2022 at 6:43 pm

        https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0664321/

        If only they’d stuck with it.

  20. willedav said, on July 28, 2022 at 6:53 pm

    Cubs are 2nd NL for SBs.
    Hoerner the SS is Stanford guy, 26 yrs old and having productive season. Went to Head Royce HS in Oakland.

    • willedav said, on July 28, 2022 at 6:55 pm

      Also have most guys caught stealing NL, number Mr. Bart just added to.

  21. James said, on July 28, 2022 at 6:56 pm

    The confident throws eventually have to translate into better ABs, right?

  22. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:07 pm

    This from the soccer game? Getting the Cubs feed. Whoever it is stole Krukow’s SQUUUUAAAAAATTTT! bullshit.

  23. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:09 pm

    Wilbur said he called for it. I guess Yaz heard it finally. Looked like another disaster in the making.

    • James said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:25 pm

      The Giants are no longer capable of disasters in 2022.

  24. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:16 pm

    Root canal, or watch the game? Decisions decisions.

    • snarkk said, on July 29, 2022 at 12:04 am

      Both require anesthetics…

  25. willedav said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:24 pm

    Dunno too many of Cubs except for Happ Contreras and Wisdom, including SP.

  26. willedav said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:26 pm

    Any thoughts on Villar? small sample size I guess but looks like bottom order hitter without much power.

  27. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:32 pm

    Double in a silo!!! Good for Yaz to run that out.

  28. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:39 pm

    Holy shit. Webb is Popeye!

  29. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:45 pm

    2 hits 2 walks a hit batsman and an error and they have no runs.

  30. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    Wow. The ol’ Merc has a little life in her after all.

  31. James said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:51 pm

    Rewarded for swinging at ball 4 five times!

    • unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:54 pm

      Beats watching strike 3. Protect mode.

      • James said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:06 pm

        None of those except the breaking ball was even close. Some times stupid works.

  32. Bozo said, on July 28, 2022 at 7:52 pm

    Good at bat by Mercedes, followed by Estrtada staying hot.

  33. Bozo said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:08 pm

    Home cooking.

  34. djloo27 said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:09 pm

    Slater hasn’t homered since June 23rd.
    Pederson since June 25th…

    • alleykat69 said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:18 pm

      And Spitty hasn’t had a hit since June 29th..0for18

      • unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:22 pm

        Who’ s Spitty? LsStella? There was a guy that haunted my blog named Spitty

  35. Macdog said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:12 pm

    In honor of the Cubs starter:

  36. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:51 pm

    Hey, at least he jumped.

  37. Macdog said, on July 28, 2022 at 8:54 pm

    Great, now this crapola bullpen has only a 2-run lead to protect.

  38. alleykat69 said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:01 pm

    Wood will never get the leash that Webb are Rodon gets.
    Almost shocked Spaghetti didn’t give up a HR are walk..

  39. alleykat69 said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:03 pm

    The Mendoza boys update..Villar .176 Bart .181

  40. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:20 pm

    I’m more worried about the defense.

  41. Macdog said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:26 pm

    Even more rare than a Giants lead — a La Stella hit!

  42. snarkk said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:37 pm

    Criminy.
    1st and 3rd with no outs.
    Then 3 straight strike outs, can’t even make phuckin’ contact to add on.
    Nobody could try a safety squeeze because LaStella is slower than a dude in a motorized wheelchair.
    Doghairs, Pads other teams would score that run at third while farting in their sleep.
    This team is just lame ass…

  43. xoot said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:43 pm

    Let’s not let this one slip away, huh?

  44. snarkk said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:46 pm

    Yes, good finisher job by Dovall.
    Finally, a win.

  45. Macdog said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:47 pm

    Victory at last!

    • zumiee said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:50 pm

  46. djloo27 said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:47 pm

    Doval got rid of the braids…

  47. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:47 pm

    Hey. A win?!?

  48. djloo27 said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:48 pm

  49. unca_chuck said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:49 pm

    Who the fuck is announcing? This is our guys? The sound is crazxy weird on Streameast. Like Flem and Krukow are on helium.

  50. mrsprtdude said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:53 pm

    Villar, Bart, Wade…0/9 with 5 K’s

  51. alleykat69 said, on July 28, 2022 at 9:53 pm

    Been way to long seeing Clint and the Twilight midget!

  52. willedav said, on July 29, 2022 at 6:09 am

    Doval did finish things off. Slider looked great and so did 99 heat.

  53. willedav said, on July 29, 2022 at 6:22 am

    yeah noticed Villar is hitting about even with Bart, who has issues making contact again. Villar has better OB in .340s, but has 3 XBHs in 65 times up to plate–1 double 1 triple 1 HR.


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