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The Tigers Are Beating Us

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on August 25, 2022

It’s just hilarious how we are either all-out to beat Detroit or we straight up just lose to them. They are the worst offense in the league and in some statistical categories they are historically one of the worst. Webb looked great until the wheels fell off. Didn’t really matter, we weren’t doing anything with the bats. This is going to go down as one of the most frustrating, boring teams in SF Giants history.

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  1. Giant Head said, on August 25, 2022 at 6:24 am

    Maybe more exciting than the 2008 or 2019 Giants but not by much…

  2. Bozo said, on August 25, 2022 at 6:48 am

    Since Zaidi doesn’t expect much help from the Farm system next year, I gotta think he and Harris should be busy on the phone in the offseason and not just perusing the waiver wire. I wonder if they kick themselves for not doing a trade for Betts and building around him?
    Still, kinda weird hearing him praise the Dodgers moves since he left.
    https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/how-farhan-zaidi-explains-giants-stagnant-development-minor-leagues

  3. willedav said, on August 25, 2022 at 6:56 am

    Yeah thanks Bozo I saw that one. At same time (as long as we are into “boring”) Brisbee in Athletic had column talking about advantages of taking up $13 mil option of Longoria for next year. Didn’t seem too enthused about Davis as 3b regular, nor Villar.
    Would hope Z/H are more committed to getting younger and more athletic, and not just talking about it. Notice he didn’t say much about pitching, hmmnn.

    • unca_chuck said, on August 25, 2022 at 12:41 pm

      Davis at least stays on the field. Fuck Longo. Sorry, that is not a go.

  4. Winder said, on August 25, 2022 at 7:38 am

    Don’t know if someone posted this already.
    A fresh MLB schedule

    MLB’s 2023 schedule will see every team play every other team at least once for the first time. The move, intended to create more balanced competition, came as part of the new CBA inked last winter.

    Some key points from the new schedule, which begins March 30:

    Teams will play 52 total games (half home, half on the road) against teams in their division, down from 76 this season. That includes 13 games (over four series) against each team, a decrease of six games and two series.

    Teams will play 64 games against other opponents within their own league, evenly split home and away, down from 66 this season.
    Interleague play will make up 46 games, an increase from 20 this season. Every team will play one home-and-home interleague series, over four games, against its “natural” rival.

    This means that fans shouldn’t be waiting years to see the game’s biggest stars come through their home ballpark. Sounds good! Is baseball heading toward two division-less super leagues?

  5. Flavor said, on August 25, 2022 at 7:39 am

    Tolbert brought up a great point yesterday to Zaidi. He said “you really don’t have a middle of the order.” And fucking Farhan just agreed with him. LOL. Like he was some dipshit KNBR caller.

    • willedav said, on August 25, 2022 at 8:21 am

      I look at daily lineup, and in reference to what Z said, who are your 5 everyday players? Bart Estrada and ….? I think what he said about Dodgers is an admission of failure–they have been able to draft and develop better than Giants have, and depth of their system allowed them to trade off Verdugo to help acquire Betts and take on salary dump of Price, plus gave them room to get Turner and Scherzer from Nats a year ago. And unlike Giants they haven’t fallen off a cliff despite losing Buehler.
      He’s still talking about Ramos. What’s up with that? If they thought he was gonna help at ML level wouldn’t he already have come up, especially after Gonzalez went down?

      • Flavor said, on August 25, 2022 at 8:36 am

        exactly. What’s this, year 4 of his reign? And he’s saying the shit he said yesterday? That was an embarrassing interview.

      • unca_chuck said, on August 25, 2022 at 12:48 pm

        COVID and the dismantling of the minor leagues by Manfred Mann did Farhan no favors, but it sure doesn’t seem to have affected anyone else in player development. We are stuck in 2nd gear.

    • Bozo said, on August 25, 2022 at 11:25 am

      Down in LA, Friedman didn’t replace Zaidi’s GM position until this year. Makes me wonder if Farhan was making the moves in LA, or was he just being directed by Friedman?
      Hope Zaidi isn’t just payback for Ned Colletti.

  6. willedav said, on August 25, 2022 at 8:31 am

    Since this is off day for Giants and racing returns this afternoon to DelMar, noticed Tyler Baze had mounts this past Sunday and got one into money. He had missed last couple weeks, and one of the ladies (Christina Blacke or Britney Eurton) said he was off listed mounts on morning line, because of meds that needed to clear his system according to his agent before he could be cleared to ride again.
    So are jockeys regularly tested in some way, at all tracks?

    • Flavor said, on August 25, 2022 at 8:38 am

      he didn’t show up to ride one day a week or two ago. Or maybe he was really late. I forget, I only saw the story in passing. I don’t know what the drug testing regs are, if it’s everyone or if it’s only if you give them cause to test –like with Patrick Valenzuela or some shit like that. P-Val could have been the best jockey in history if he wasn’t hooked on drugs.

  7. willedav said, on August 25, 2022 at 12:59 pm

    Looking at Tampa, a team with 68 Ws in AL, they score 11th most runs in AL, don’t hit lot of HR in that awful home yard, and are 10th and 11th AL for slugging and OPS.
    But 3 different SPs have an ERA under 3.00, and their pen is stellar despite the fact not one of them has more than 7 saves.
    Like with Guardians, could this be model for SF? Find frontline hitters like Arozarena and Diaz or in Cleveland case Jose Ramirez, keep rotation strong, defend well, upgrade pen and prosper in a pitcher friendly yard. Play more night games, especially in what passes for summer in SF.

  8. willedav said, on August 25, 2022 at 1:09 pm

    Brisbee’s argument is this: As part of option with Longoria, Giants will have to pay him $5 mil to just go away. Cost of keeping him around one more year as 3b/DH would be $13 mil and he didn’t think SF could get better player for that much. Superior fielder at position, and currently having good season at plate, like last year in limited action.
    One blogger suggested keeping both Longoria and Davis for another year before Luciano and other prospects like IF Casey Schmitt and OFs in Eugene like Matos might be ready for ML.

    • Macdog said, on August 25, 2022 at 1:26 pm

      Keeping Longo would cost Giants $8M, since as you said they’ll have to pay him $5M no matter what. I’d prefer they move on and get younger at 3B, but it has crossed my mind there’s a chance they could bring him back since $8M isn’t that much.

  9. willedav said, on August 25, 2022 at 1:14 pm

    There aren’t any decent FA 3b either beside Brandon Drury, unless Giants wanted to move Crawford over there, or have Correa (currently making $35 mil with Twins) play there when he wasn’t at SS.

  10. blade3colorado said, on August 25, 2022 at 1:35 pm

    I said it back in 2018 – dumb decision getting Longo. The only saving grace to this imbecilic deal was money that Tampa Bay provides toward his salary (which by the by, is $5 million of his $19,666,667 this season – a peak, as it was $2 million annually before this season).

    Good riddance . . . and take his sorry 200 approximate at bats per year with him. Every time I hear his name, I am always reminded of other moronic deals we have handed out, e.g., Zito, Rowand, Tejada, Huff (Part II), Samardzija, etc.

    • blade3colorado said, on August 25, 2022 at 2:07 pm

      Not absolutely certain, but I think Joey Wendle becomes available next season as a free agent. He is making $4.625M this season. Excellent fielder, and came in 3rd or 4th ROY in 2016 with the A’s. Against the Houston Astros in the ALCS, Wendle was excellent on defense at third base. Dusty Baker went as far to compare his play to Brooks Robinson.

      • alleykat69 said, on August 25, 2022 at 3:00 pm

        Blade…Wow Dusty really said that? Comparing Wendle to the human vacuum at 3rd ? Guess Dusty didn’t see Brooks highlight reels in W/S games. Maybe Dusty’s toothpicks are laced with hallucinating drugs?

      • blade3colorado said, on August 25, 2022 at 3:08 pm

        lol . . . Yeah, a bit of overstatement by Dusty, but he did say it (check out Wendle’s Wiki bio). We both saw Robinson play Kat and just about everyone pales in comparison to him. His World Series play against Cincy was a human highlight reel.

  11. alleykat69 said, on August 25, 2022 at 1:55 pm

    There’s a good chance Longoria just retires, he’s mentioned that himself and the Giants can’t get sucked in a mild hot streak that will end soon.Davis should be fine at 3rd and it actually ticks me off he’s losing playing time to Longoria with there stupid play the vet due to the contract.Giants old school philosophy has to end and get much younger next year.

  12. djloo27 said, on August 25, 2022 at 2:14 pm

    No chance Longoria is brought back.
    Vosler hit well when he was up this season.
    Would’ve liked to see more of him…

  13. alleykat69 said, on August 25, 2022 at 3:27 pm

    I could be on board with Vosler Loo, he did hit well .288 with the Giants,who unfortunately overuse the options on guys that should stick.A backup 3B that hits LH with Davis the RH bat looks better then ever using LaStella in the field, who hopefully is gone!!

    Throw this out there but what about David Villar in LF? Cannon arm/RH potential power, besides they need to keep the streak going of what 14-15-16 years? of a new starting Leftfielder!

  14. willedav said, on August 25, 2022 at 4:07 pm

    Wendle is arb eligible this season for Marlins, FA 2024. Will be 33 next April.
    Slash line .247/.291/.337 for .628 OPS with 2 HRs in 255 ABs. Plays 2b 3b and SS.

  15. willedav said, on August 25, 2022 at 4:20 pm

    Small sample size, Vosler had slugging pct. of .530 over 66 ABs.
    Davis is at .568 in 44 ABs.
    Villar hit 1 HR in 63 ABs, slugging was below .300.

    Larger samples, Giants slugging pct co leaders: Longoria and Pederson at .497, and no one else including Wilmet within 50 points of that. Both of whom could be gone. Giants this year 8th NL in slugging and OPS…question is, can they find a hitter that can bring .500 slugging level pop to lineup so they can score more runs?

    • xoot said, on August 25, 2022 at 7:58 pm

      Kent’s numbers are terrific. But what explains the difference in WAR? Surely not SOs (given OPSs) or mere SBs. Maybe D, but many more DPs for Kent, and his fielding % is only .011 less. And all those HRs and his SLG .100 higher? Jeff Kent’s triumphant career is getting trashed for no good reason.

      • xoot said, on August 25, 2022 at 8:07 pm

        sorry, got carried away. SLG .048 higher.

  16. mrsprtdude said, on August 25, 2022 at 10:18 pm

    As read about Farhan I saw a Will Clark thing about BP.
    Did anyone know BP for SF is optional! WTF!!!


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