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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on November 22, 2022

Now that was more like it! Finally a game that went the way we thought it would go. This team is going to be peaking come playoff time. This is our year!

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  1. Giant Head said, on November 22, 2022 at 6:00 am

    Feeing confident we are a lock for the nfc champ game and feel pretty good about super bowl. Jimmy G seems still to me to have more zip on his throws post surgery. Big day with Judge visiting SF today!!!

  2. Giant Head said, on November 22, 2022 at 6:09 am

    Just go with the idea however some think no way no how we sign Judge, but just imagine that happens. Totally can see Farhan signing a one shoulder Bellinger on a one-year Farhan special. Bell I still like as a serious 1b target. Verlander going to Flodgers also seems like a very likely scenario.

    I was high on Correa a couple of years ago circling his free agency and what I thought was to be Crawford last year in ‘21. But I am cold in his future offensive impact. Bogaerts and his solid OBP ahead of a potential Judge in the order should be a cheaper option than Trea Turner. If no Judge than Turner is the better option.

    • Flavor said, on November 22, 2022 at 6:32 am

      why wouldn’t we try to sign Verlander?

      • Giant Head said, on November 22, 2022 at 7:14 am

        $40 mill a year for a 30 year old slugger I get but $40 mill for a 40 year old pitcher for 2 maybe 3 years seems unrealistic. I think he is an add for a team trying to get to the next level from a playoff team to a World Series team. Don’t see us there right now. Whatever the finite amount is they are willing to spend this off-season I think needs to go for 3 hitters and that should leave some mid-level money for a middle or back end rotation type. I’d rather sign Rodon for 5 years maybe $150 than Verlander possible 3 years and maybe $120.

      • Giant Head said, on November 22, 2022 at 7:15 am

        Maybe couple needed bullpen arms as well…

      • Giant Head said, on November 22, 2022 at 7:17 am

        I would typically be a hell no on Jansen but he had a pretty solid year and giving another go to closer to take some wear and tear off Dotel may make sense if we don’t get into a salary competition with other teams. $10 mill a year for 2-3 years I’m on board. I think.

  3. willedav said, on November 22, 2022 at 6:54 am

    Week or two ago Chron visited the town where Judge grew up, very small (couple stop lights only iirc) one outside of Stockton. They talked to guy who cuts his hair, etc. and everyone remembers him as humble likeable small town guy. His parents own a business just outside of town and they urged residents not to talk to Chron because they feared influx of prying outsiders from media and elsewhere swarming around and ruining the environment.
    Sounds like good guy and grew up Giants fan. But it ain’t happening/bad idea in first place unless SF were to add another bat or two, plus pitching.

  4. Locojuan said, on November 22, 2022 at 7:24 am

    Yeah, Judge will probably stay in NY, but if the Giants could sign him, I think it would be a great idea. I agree SF can’t just be one and done with him, SF will need to go out and get more players but thats the thing, he’s the perfect guy to build around. Plus, guys like Judge in the lineup can make the rest of the players better. I’m not worried about his skill set in 6 years, he could finish his contract as a DH. I’m also not worried about the Giants finances, they have the money and they always will. They are a major market team, time to drop the hammer IMO.

  5. Flavor said, on November 22, 2022 at 7:34 am

    Jimmy finally looks comfortable. Adding CMC has chilled this motherfucker out.

  6. zumiee said, on November 22, 2022 at 8:36 am

    I’m actually a little intrigued by Bellinger. I’m wondering if the lack of infield shift next season will raise his batting average a little. He still seems to have lots of power. And he plays gold-glove level defense. With him in CF and Yaz in RF, that would really cover the home ballpark outfield grass well.
    But I get the argument against, also. His decline in hitting is historic in its rapidity. He’s one of the biggest flame-outs in MLB history unless he turns it around.

  7. willedav said, on November 22, 2022 at 8:40 am

    Interesting that O took off once Shanahan had JG throw the ball more often and ran less. Even made play moving around when he found Kittle, who ran it in.
    Second half once again was great on both sides of ball, and another shutout by D. Good stuff but short week coming up.

  8. Flavor said, on November 22, 2022 at 9:41 am

    i didn’t know this but this is how it’s felt.

  9. Winder said, on November 22, 2022 at 9:42 am

    It was a pleasure to see the Niners finally open it up. Jimmy was on the top of his game and with our offensive line play we took it to em. But to me it was our defense that stuck the stake through their hearts. 49er football at it’s best.

    I still don’t think we go after Judge with everything we got. It just doesn’t seem like the Giants way to do things. I don’t really care if we do or not since it’s not my money. I sure would like to see a potent offense though. Baseball is still all about good pitching and I think that is where the big money should go.

  10. blade3colorado said, on November 22, 2022 at 11:24 am

    Agree with Loco and Winder about the Giants could afford to sign Judge easily. But as I have said previously (along with Winder above), the Giants do NOT have a history of doing things this way. The last time was Bonds and on a lesser level, Kent, which was to complement Bonds, because even he couldn’t do it alone. Both were ascending, as Judge definitely is doing.

    However, this is what I don’t like about the possibility of Judge signing with the Giants:

    1. A $300 million commitment at least and likely far beyond that ($400 million?), as Cashman revealed that the Yankees extended an updated contract offer to Judge, who turned down a seven-year, $213.5 million extension in March. Negotiations reopened the day after the Yanks’ elimination in the AL Championship Series, according to Cashman, who declined to provide the terms of the club’s new offer. Again, I think it was an OPENING OFFER of $300 million.

    2. The dude is tall and injury prone . . . See Giancarlo Stanton, who’s an inch shorter and check out both their injury histories. Sheesh, Stanton missed 2 seasons immediately following a so so opening season with the Yankees after signing his monster deal. Judge missed most of 2019 and large parts of another 2 seasons.

    3. If the Giants do sign him, they still have a lot of holes that need to be filled. Yeah, as Loco and Winder said, it’s not my money, but $44 million plus annually for one guy??? With that kind of scratch, you could get at least 3 good players. I have rarely seen where these contracts result in playoffs, unless you have 2-4 other superstars (see Yankees, Dodgers). Bonds signing was also excellent. However, usually what happens, is that you end up a la Anaheim Angels (or whatever they are called today).

    Giants MO is trading for good complementary pieces and developing players within the organization. I also find it hard to believe Z is all of a sudden going to put down his slide ruler, calculator, and Bill James “How to build a baseball team through analytics” book. I guess stranger things have happened, eh?

    • Locojuan said, on November 22, 2022 at 12:16 pm

      The Giants could pay Judge $50 mil annually and still be under the Competitive Balance Tax by about $40mil to use for other players. My point is, the Giants have the money now and will continue to have it. Like NY and LA, they are a big market team. They don’t need to have players platoon at every position or gamble with waiver wire players and one year reclamation projects. They have the money and the need, time to move to the big kid’s table.

    • Winder said, on November 22, 2022 at 1:09 pm

      I ended up loving Kent as a player but I was truly pissed we traded Williams away to get him. Could you imagine the team if we could have figured a way to keep Williams too.

  11. unca_chuck said, on November 22, 2022 at 12:33 pm

    I’d rather get 4-5 solid guys rather than 1 great one and 5 dumpster pickups.

    • snarkk said, on November 22, 2022 at 1:20 pm

      Getting Judge and then pickup a bunch of slugs to surround him is a no go. He’ll get walked a ton, like Bonds did. If the Giants get him only with little support, it’s just a PR move to push tickets…

  12. alleykat69 said, on November 22, 2022 at 1:23 pm

    I think the Giants should take a flier on recently DFA Reds Outfielder Aristias Aquino plays RF maybe some LF? His arm is one the best in the game top 3 easily, had 9 putouts including nailing a runner at the plate by a wide margin with a throw hitting 101 mph.
    He came up strong hitting 19 HR’s in 227 AB’s in 2019, but then went 2 years with just 10&10 and his avg has plummeted, think Serrano Major League struggling to hit a curve ball..
    But even as a late defensive replacement, he would be much better than Joc ( who I’m praying won’t play the OF much are others who can’t match that arm)

  13. djloo27 said, on November 22, 2022 at 2:55 pm

    Anyone who gives Nimmo 9 figures is insane…

  14. unca_chuck said, on November 22, 2022 at 2:58 pm

  15. Flavor said, on November 22, 2022 at 4:47 pm


  16. mrsprtdude said, on November 22, 2022 at 5:57 pm

    Article in athletic says bellinger and ELITE defensive centerfielder who has great value even as a bad hitter. As bad as he sucked still hit 20 homers. Would be a steal if they could get even a small uptick in BA. Would be best defensive CF in SF in 20 years

    • unca_chuck said, on November 22, 2022 at 10:02 pm

      We’ve run the table on all-field, no-hit OFers lately.

  17. James said, on November 22, 2022 at 8:26 pm

    Brandon Nimmo for 6 years at $100,000,000 does sound crazy at first take, but how many players have been so consistently B+ over the last 6 years? Wait, is there really chatter of 9 figures for him? If so, there are still worse bets out there at that price.

    Judge has only 220 HRs at age 31, which means he’ll be fortunate to reach 500. Maybe the “Don’t you want to be remembered with Ruth and Mantle?!?” argument won’t hold much sway with him, if he looks soberly at his stats :-).

    Nimmo, Correa, and one SP. Throw in Jansen, who is only 35, and has never had a bad year. Bellinger? Sure, why not take the gamble for a year, if he’s a few million cheaper than Joc. I’d take Bellinger’s 2020 numbers on offense over a whole year.

  18. djloo27 said, on November 22, 2022 at 9:57 pm

    This is a $100,000,000 player?
    What has he really proven?
    As some Met fan said on the radio last night, he hustles and he smiles, but isn’t particularly good at anything.
    He’s just okay.
    Would absolutely take a flyer on Bellinger over him…


    • James said, on November 22, 2022 at 10:51 pm

      Admittedly, his name is awfully close to


      He’s very good at getting on base. And he has pop. How many line ups have a better lead off hitter? He’s supposed to be a plus CFer. He’s never had a down year. The only negative I see are the injuries.

  19. willedav said, on November 23, 2022 at 7:11 am

    Don’t you guys think Dodgers have said same thing for each of last 2 years about Bellinger? hey if we could just fix this and get him back to…? Fine OF, OK. The Giants OF defense should be OK as long Joc and Luis Gonzalez are no longer a part of it, right? They need an OF who can hit, at least better than Yaz and Wade Jr., couple guys Giants couldn’t fix last season.

    Saw Angels snagged Hunter Renfroe in trade. That guy would have been good fit for SF: RH power (60 bombs in 2 years) average BA/OB, good arm (double digit assists last 2 years).

  20. alleykat69 said, on November 23, 2022 at 7:29 am

    Oh I would be all in on Bellinger now that he says he’s just seeking a 1 year contract banking on himself in a prove it move. Hell he’s still only 27 ( still seems hard to believe with his struggles?) but for 1year 10-12? who automatically becomes your best defensive outfielder,who knows teaming him backup with Joc might even help?,,this is right up Z’s wheelhouse like he’s done with the 1 year make good with his pitchers like Gausman,Wood,Disco,Cobb,Rodon( opt out is a bummer but he proved his worth)

  21. djloo27 said, on November 23, 2022 at 9:24 am

    Saw the Mays HBO special last night.
    Nothing really illuminating about it but it’s just great to see and hear him.
    It might make you feel as old as he is…

    • unca_chuck said, on November 23, 2022 at 12:48 pm

      Mays actually looks better than he did a couple years ago.

  22. unca_chuck said, on November 23, 2022 at 9:30 am

    The end is very funny

  23. Macdog said, on November 23, 2022 at 9:46 am

    I watched the Mays special last week, really enjoyed it. Loved seeing the old footage, it just sucks that more of it doesn’t exist. I didn’t know the housing problem for Mays in SF became such a public issue, what a disgrace that must’ve been for the city. It also was surprising to see Bonds get a good bit of airtime. And yes, Willie uncensored at the end was a hoot.

  24. Macdog said, on November 23, 2022 at 9:54 am

    I’m on the fence about Bellinger. If the Dodgers, arguably the best-run organization in all of MLB, really decide to move on from him, that alone would give me pause about bringing him to SF. But yeah, as Kat said he’s 27 and it’d only be for a year, so why the hell not?

    • Flavor said, on November 23, 2022 at 11:50 am

      exactly, that’s a pretty big tell. Having said that, all our outfielders are terrible and boring so I’d watch Belly for a year if that’s what it comes down to

      • unca_chuck said, on November 23, 2022 at 12:53 pm

        Another Gravedigger is the last thing this team needs.

    • willedav said, on November 23, 2022 at 12:05 pm

      Only way I could see this happening is if Z decided best way to compete is to emulate Cleveland method and go all in on pitching and D at expense of offense. Myles Straw, who plays lot of CF for them, can’t hit for shit but runs very well and is solid OF. That would also mean Z goes heavy into pitching market for midrange talent upgrade and adds to pen.

      Saw something from Slush that said if Giants were to sign Correa thought was Craw would move to 3b. hmmnn

      • unca_chuck said, on November 23, 2022 at 1:11 pm

        We have Villar and Davis for 3rd. And Flores for that matter. Why wouldn’t Correa go to 2nd?

      • djloo27 said, on November 23, 2022 at 1:39 pm

        We have Thairo…

      • unca_chuck said, on November 23, 2022 at 3:30 pm

        Thiro can hit the bench. He’s not sure fantastic, just decent.

    • snarkk said, on November 23, 2022 at 2:31 pm

      Can the Giants just get some fucking outfielders from their system who can hit and run and throw, all in one body? Other teams seem to have no problem doing that. Atlanta craps and trades those kind of players on a regular basis like they’ve got farm system outfielder diahrrea. Criminy, is one really good and I mean all-around really good, GD system outfielder in half a century too much to ask? …

      • unca_chuck said, on November 23, 2022 at 3:31 pm

        Besides Reynolds. Derp.

      • alleykat69 said, on November 23, 2022 at 4:08 pm

        Yeah I feel your pain it’s only been 41 years since Chili Davis (1982) came up to play the outfield! All be dead along with most of you guys if we have to wait another 41 years to get are second homegrown player! The Giants have to easily be the worst team ever in baseball drafting a talented outfielder…

  25. zumiee said, on November 23, 2022 at 11:17 am

    Kings fans will look back this season with fondness at this day when the Kings were, for a brief shining moment, the #3 (!) seed in the Western Conference.

  26. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 23, 2022 at 7:00 pm

    My fantasy infield this off-season is Turner at SS, Correa plays 3rd, Bell at 1st. With those 3, Thairo would be fine at 2nd. The 2 Brandons on the bench and spot duty. Good infield. The OF, who knows, bit of a mess. Tend to think Nimmo would be helpful, not sure about Bellinger….

  27. mrsprtdude said, on November 23, 2022 at 7:10 pm

    The belli thing works with Judge in right:)

  28. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 23, 2022 at 7:22 pm

    Can Judge play 1st? Kinda looks like a 1st bagger, might be less wear and tear on his tall structure moving forward….

  29. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 23, 2022 at 9:00 pm

    We’ve seen the song and dance before about courting high-end free agents. This time, looks like the Giants are pulling out all the stops: dinner with Judge, rah rah encouragement from Curry and Pederson, etc. They say a real offer could be a week away. Hmmm. And they’re looking at Kodai Senga, hard thrower from Japan, to replace Rodon. I do like early hot stove happenings, even if little comes from it in the end, but this year might be different…

  30. PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 23, 2022 at 9:22 pm

    Ok, I think I’ll stop talking to myself here…..

  31. djloo27 said, on November 23, 2022 at 9:24 pm

    I’d like to know where in 2022 this crew can have dinner without someone posting a picture somewhere…

    • PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 23, 2022 at 9:53 pm

      Saw a video of Judge arriving in SF, but nothing from the dinner. Very private to escape probing eyes?

      • djloo27 said, on November 23, 2022 at 10:00 pm

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