His Name Is Farhan And He’s RIGHT HERE!
Ok, uh, yeah, about that “Farhan doing nothing in the Winter” stuff…..
THIRTEEN YEARS. That’s the first thing that jumps off the page. I think the longest deal Zaidi did before this one was 3 years for the broken LaStella.
I mean, short term this guy is no Aaron Judge. He’s not going to sell tickets and he’s not going to carry the team.
But he’s an excellent baseball player and you can’t have too many of those guys.
The contract is absurd but I’m not going to hate on this. Zaidi was backed into a corner because of how far ahead LA and SD have gotten AND, and this can’t be understated, how TERRIBLE our farm system has been at producing hitters. You can’t grow ’em you gotta go buy ’em……
Welcome aboard, Carlos.
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Stix Stuff from yesterday
Carstie Clausen
Tue, Dec 13, 11:24 AM (18 hours ago)
to me
Flav: “NOT going for Rodon, as you just posted is precisely correct. Instead, a guy I described back in the day as a “mere stripling”. Getting a bit literary here, but the drift is clear. Just checked out Stripling’s stats and at age 32 with Toronto, they were only a bit short of spectacular. He’s far more likely than Manaea to get more of the starts…that would depend on splits, as the two of them have alternating roles, depending on which team they happen to be facing. Perhaps there still is some concern about DeSclafani, as to whether he has fully recovered from his medical issues. AND where does Junis fit into all of this? Most likely his role will be pretty strictly as the long-man, as he can readily go two-three innings with little damage being done. In any event, the Giants have finally achieved rotation depth, with none of it being low quality.
With Rodon out of the picture, general fan sentiment will now focus on getting Correa. There’s sufficient loose change on hand to outbid the Yank-Me’s and any other major predator. Even a single All-Star level bat in the lineup will effectually alter for the good, the look and productive capability of the lineup. There’s still a need, however, for a solid RH bat and defensive integrity in the outfield mix. Reynolds would be near perfect, but he comes with a caveat. One commentator on the fan-site projected Luciano, one of the three excellent O.F. prospects and the second best starter prospect surrendered to Pittsburgh for Reynolds. That’s too much, IMHO. One more year of patience and if they continue to rake and take in their upcoming pipeline advances and that trio could become the Giants best outfield array in more than 40 years. Yes, those guys look to be for real. There are other outfielders out there, perhaps into their 30’s a ways, who could hold the fort adequately for the next season or two.
Should the Harrison kid continue his masterly ways at Richmond and perhaps at Sacramento, S.F. could find itself in the catbird seat when it comes to rotation pieces. Any one of five starters could become Tradewinds available if Harrison keeps it up in those higher levels of the minors. So in addition to Correa and a serviceable R.H. outfielder, we arrive at the need for a veteran setup man who could double as a second closer option. Whether he comes by financial inducements or via a trade is of little matter. One more reliable man in the pen could make for a huge uptick. Two of them and the relief corps would be solid. There is some possibility that Harrison becomes a genuine phenom, making him the second, much needed ace. Should that develop, a pair of aces should bring Los Gigantes into the Post-Season mix.
Defense and pitching rule. A cleanup hitter who solidifies the lineup and sparks the fan-base is the next must. Simply making the best offer Correa gets should suffice to bring him on board. With Rodon off the board, the money AND the focus should be obvious.
Will the NLW contribute three teams to the Post-Season? Ten to twelve additional victories for SF might make that happen. It would be a bit much to expect a W.S. berth this year. With the pipeline in full spate for the ’24 season, the Giants should become a major factor. Much depends, though, on Zaidi’s moves between now and the Spring of ’23.
My son woke me up about midnight to tell me and when I asked length of contract and he said 13 years, I almost fell out of bed. I guess in one way 13 is better than 8 to allow if not this year because I don’t see any impact bats left but will give them more maneuverability next year and on to add 2-3 free agent hitters that out system just seems not to produce. I still would have liked to have added Bell to add some more hitting depth to maybe be more competitive next year.
Correa really from a lineup impact as a hitter does not move the needle much. Does he play more third than short? Certainly against lefties he is the starting shortstop.
I’m on board and I usually hate these types of signings. However, this has a few things going for it: 1. Correa is still young, i.e., 28 (see Judge, who will turn 31 in April); 2. As this hot stove season indicated, THIS IS THE FUTURE – mega deals that dwarf the deals that came before and more important, not 1 or 2, but at least a half dozen this off season alone; 3. Correa plays an elite position, where if his skills erode, he can be moved to 2nd base, 3rd base, or the outfield; and, 4. Hey, if you’re going to cheat, I am glad it was against the Bums (lqtm) . . . Another thorn in their side to complain about.
I rate this deal an “A.”
Side note . . . Correa actually took a pay cut, $35.1 million earned during his season with the Twins to the $26.9 in average value of this new deal. This nonsense about Z not being up to the task is BS.
Plan Z-man moved up to Plan B dude. Went from the nickel slots to the roulette table and laid a bet on #4.
I guess Casey Schmitt should just starts working at 3B now. Does Luciano start playing an OF position or is he now trade bait? They protected Aeverson Arteaga in the Rule 5 draft, does he start taking grounders at 2B? This makes Will Wilson tradeable for sure and should cut La Stella.
Still need to fill 1B and another OFer would be nice.
Want to dislike this, but hard to find a valid reason to. Above average D and hitting over his career at premium position, and the length of contract lowers AAV and makes it possible for Z to get another OF and maybe the other Rogers. Which means team is improved in number of ways despite loss of Rodon. Ground ball heavy pitching staff should be pleased as well.
And kept him away from Dogs, who have already lost their elite SS.
Plus no opt outs, so even though SF is his 3rd team in 3 years, with full NTC he probably isn’t going anywhere soon. As El Locojuan said earlier, gives Z some flexibility with other IFs in system as SS is solidified once and for all.
Never thought we would do a contract like this. I read this morning that the Dodgers hate him and will now see him quite a bit so that is a plus. He makes us a much better team.
Yeah, I didn’t think I’d see a 13 year deal for him or anyone but hey, the team is much better. than it was in October. Like you guy are saying, would still like to see an OFer and some pen help.
Read a few articles about him and he is very analytical (talks in a “saber language” that most coaches today understand). Equally important, he is like a coach on the field and off the field – Minnesota personnel said he contacted most team mates to talk shop, assist, be supportive, etc., particularly rookies during the season and during this off season. He is definitely all about what is best for the team, not himself.
On the downside, the Astros didn’t seem to miss him this season.
They didn’t miss Aaron Judge, either.
The financial pragmatics of the lengthy contract are joined by the gambit that Correa turns into some kind of Omar Speier in the later years. Not a bad rationale.
That’s the hope i guess. Wonder if i still have the ticket stub from when Speier hit for the cycle in 1988 (?). He was 38 at the time?
Yeah, he was a great story in 87.
I heard on radio that this past season their were 11 MLB players in the league at or over 37 years of age. Of those, all hitters sucked. It’s pretty much a given the last 3-4 or 5 years of these LT mega deals will suck…
Pujols was good this year, in 21 Votto, Cruz, and Pujols were. Cabrera was still ok. Those are great hitters. If Correa can still play a decent infield, he has an outside chance of not being a negative contributor in his late 30s.
Villar, Davis, Flores, Crawford, Estrada … that mix does not make sense. I’m intrigued by what’s next.
Don’t forget the great LaStella…
I keep suppressing that tragedy.
Yeah, wonder if Bochy would take Crawfish off our hands. Don’t know for who. Their entire team is made up of young guys.
Get Rodon, and I really like our chances.
Mel Ott’s #4 is N/A…
Number of seasons with at least 160 hits:
Jeter: 16
Correa: 0
He has played a lot last 2 seasons, and games missed last year were due to Covid (something Jeter didn’t have to deal with) and getting hit in the hand, not stuff that imo makes him “injury prone.” As long as he doesn’t go full diva Pagan mode, and I doubt Twins would have wanted him back if he was that type of guy, I’m in. After slow start he hit really well. Some guys are notorious for that.
Guess I finally can remove the frustrating tag on Zman being “Always the Bridesmaid never the Bride in F/A signings “)Getting Correa sure upped his game with a young superstar(28 great D /power,RBI machine)the team desperately needed to improve a leaky oil spill of a defense and this is a start in the right direction.. Thank you Farhan way to pull the trigger on Correa!!
I’m thinking Crawford will still get a few starts at SS maybe 2 a week?)especially against RH pitching while Correa destroys LH pitching and could play 3rd while they’re in together? Hell lots of options with DH as well? 1st base anybody think Davis,Villar,Wade Flores are true options?
I wonder if the Bay Area sports media will ask Correa any tough questions about 2017.
(Spoiler alert: they won’t.)
At this point who cares? 8ts been hashed and rehashed for years. Nothing new would come of even the toughest questions. Again, what’s the point? Shits in the past
I watched a Columbo episode that was a little different. Martin Landau portrayed twin brothers, which added some extra confusion to Columbo’s detective work. Which of the twins committed the murder, or was it both of them working together? They both had a possible motive for the crime.
The episode gets bonus points for Julie Newmar as a guest-star.
James was right earlier – seems there’s a glut of infielders and no true everyday 1st baseman.
More things need to be done.
Would be cool to re-unite the Brandons with Boch in Texas but they have no need for them.
Maybe Anaheim? I don’t see a NTC in Crawford’s deal…
Wonder if Villar becomes new versatile guy backup at 1b 2b and 3b. Also RH OF so Yaz can sit vs LH SP.
Syndergaard to the Dodgers
that’s fine, I wouldn’t want him at this point in his career….
you know,by adding Correa the other pick ups are starting to look a lot better to me…..
13/350? Yikes. Well, at least no one can accuse us of operating just like the A’s anymore.
Many Giants fans were screaming for a shiny new toy and now they have one. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out.
I usually don’t buy into the “Baer got involved” conspiracy theories, but in this case, it wouldn’t shock me if Baer got involved BIG TIME. I have a bit of a hard time accepting that Z was totally down with this deal.
I was hoping we would avoid the mega deals, but that ship has sailed and of course I appreciate adding a star player to our team. A couple of years ago I bought a Correa model Wilson A2000 glove (a total impulse buy) that is the same model he uses on the field, so at least that possession makes a little more sense now. It is a sweet glove.
I also remember a playoff/world series game where a latin kid was pitching for the Astro’s and the opposing team was trying to get in his head and Correa went to the mound and obviously gave him a firm pep talk about not letting these guys fuck with you and taking charge on the mound. Anyone remember that? It was a great moment the announcers noticed and made me a bit of Correa fan then and there.
I do feel for Craw. He has been a great Giant and of course was a Candlestick kid like many of us. Spot duty at SS and 2B is going to be a little tough to swallow for him and for me as a fan. But I am sure he will find a way to soldier on for 10 mil or whatever he is pulling down this year!
16 MM for Craw. He’ll soldier on…
My point about Correa and the sports media is that journalists are supposed to be about seeking the truth, regardless of number of years that have passed. There’s no statute of limitations on seeking the truth. There’s still things we don’t know about the ’17 Astros’ crimes. Correa could be asked specific questions about his own involvement. He might decline to answer, but a real journalist would ask the questions. How many sports media people are real journalists, though?
I bought some Giants tickets in ’17. So, I, and millions of other baseball fans that bought tickets that year were the victims of fraud because the champion that season was a total fraud. For that season, MLB was professional wrestling. A fake sport. I bought tickets that season to a fake sport.
Granted, the crimes of the ’17 Astros qualify very much as “first-world problems.” In the bigger picture of humanity, it sort of barely registers.
we want this guy to perform for us. We want him to WANT to be here. Asking a bunch of aged questions about something we already know about would just be starting this off on the wrong foot. Do you want this guy happy and playing well or do you want to ask questions about something that doesn’t matter anymore? If you’re the Dodgers you care about 2017. Us? I couldn’t give two shits about it anymore.
“Carlos, this is a difficult question that isn’t likely to endear me to you or the organization, but I think the public has certain expectations of me as a professional journalist. I hope you’ll understand …. Since you knew which pitches were coming, why were you only 8-29 in the 2017 WS?”
now THAT’S a question I’d like to see Baggs ask!
But I think the thing that bugged me about Correa was that he was the most vocally defiant and remorseless. Just a little bit of remorse would go a long way, for me, anyway.
As it is, it’s like the Niners getting Richard Sherman. I just sort of endured that.
Judge never apologized for being part of the Yankee team stealing signs via the video tape in 2015 and 2016 so why should Correa?
Not trying to minimize what the Stros did, but the Sox and Yankees sure got off easy.
I agree with John. Zum, look at it this way, from everything I read – he was just being protective of his teammates. I don’t think he was arrogant, he’s just being a good teammate.
i know there’s no Klay or Wiggy but the Warriors just look positively awful tonight
“… seems there’s a glut of infielders and no true everyday 1st baseman.” True, been saying for quite awhile that other than Belt, Giants do NOT have a 1st baseman. Of course Wilmer Villar etc. etc. blah blah can *play* 1B. Sure, can get by with plugging someone in based on how it looks that particular day, but IMO, 1B is important enough to have someone man that spot who’s actually a 1bman. I’m gonna miss BB9. I’m missing Bell and he was never even here…
I’m more worried that there’s no real 2B man, and an unclear picture at 3rd. 1B is objectively the least important position on the diamond. That’s both old and new school wisdom. As you know, BB9 is my all time favorite, but his importance as a defensive player has always been overstated. Most major league infielders can scoop a short hop pretty well. Wilmer or Davis or Villar are probably more likely to come up with a diving stop than Belt, who never seemed to make the truly spectacular play, other than his runs to catch a foul pop up. Plugging in good hitters at first is the least of the Giants worries.
this is a stupid dream but what if Villar is for real? Keep him at 3rd, leave Correa at SS and put Craw at 2nd?
He does give off that vibe. The small sample size numbers are under the radar good. We deserve a Justin Turner.
Again, I love this signing. By the by, this is going to be our “Lasorda” whenever we play the Bums. They are going to boo him whenever we visit the LAtrine . . . This will amp the rivalry to a new level I hope.
i just don’t think we should be resigned to Craw at SS. This is his last year with SF (probably). Correa is an outstanding defender. Either move Craw to 3rd or 2nd?
Craw at 2B with Correa at SS would be an awesome DP combo, plays of the week mainstays for sure.
Villar won the PCL POTY. And then he hit 9 bombs in 156at bats. I’d like to see him in the LU
Beside taking another road L, Steph got hurt too.
clip is on @NBCS twitter–as Pacers’ Jalen smith is going by Curry reaches in to try and steal ball away from left and comes away grabbing his shoulder. oy
Saw story on cbssports with pic showing injury sequence.
Happened late 3rd and he didn’t return. 38 points in 29 minutes.
11-19 from floor 5-10 from 3, 11-11 FT, 2 steals and a block. Wasn’t enough, yikes, 125-119 L to Indy, again.
7 boards/7 assists.
Wilmer and Thairo have to get their ABs as well.
And Davis has earned at least a good look.
Crawford and LaStella are the albatrosses…
Trivia:
Johnny Lemaster was drafted 6th overall by the Giants in 1973.
Can you name the 2 future members of the 3,000 hit club drafted 3rd & 4th respectively that year?
One of my favorite SS growing up Robin Yount?
Dave Winfield??
Kat nails it!
Boo Lemaster the 6th pick? Who knew? 🙂
Fucking Draymond threw a hissy fit shortly after Steph’s injury, down 3, and shit spiraled down after that. I’ve never seen the Warriors this disinterested in actually playing basketball. Steph is balls to the wall, Thompson is gutting through his struggles but Dray is laughing and yelling his way into foul trouble and nowhere.
It’s like they are going through the motions. Yeah, the season’s too long, but they are gonna be scrambling for the 7th-8th spot playing like this. And that’s not knowing what’s up with Curry.
At least Kuminga’s starting to play well. Wiseman is looking like the next Joe Barely Cares. I know he hasn’t had a lot of minutes but he’s had tons of coaching and his game is to react late and slap at the ball.