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Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on December 21, 2022

They announced this signing A WEEK AGO. Supposedly the Giants found something in his physical and doctors disagreed. That’s from Slusser. I don’t really understand what that means. If the Mets don’t flag the same thing when they do their physical then what exactly is going on here?

At best this makes the Giants look like incompetent bush-league run fools.

At worst, Farhan needs to get fired.

Can you imagine a Boras client ever doing business with us again? Hell, ANY big contract guy is going to treat SF like the plague going forward.

This is our Chernobyl.

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  1. Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 5:31 am

    What a stunning development to wake up to. I’m doing a jig this morning. How lucky are we dodged probably a fatal bullet in that contract? I made the point that I could not see how Correa would be a long-term impact bat and definitely not at that price. All I have to say is there must be a major shoulder issue at play rather than knee issue. I did not realize he has been hurt 7 of his 8 years playing. Let the Mets eat that money. They just need him to be productive 3-4 of those years if they can contend for a WS they will think the contract was worth it. Us contending for a year or two with Correa to pursue a title while we have three in the bag and then eating his contract for 13 full years is a game changer for the org. But of course all the pieces are off the chessboard for this offseason. No chance at Ohtani ever.

    • Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 5:35 am

      say goodbye to any legit agent doing a big deal with us ever again. Farhan has turned the Giants into a laughingstock.

      • Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 5:43 am

        Well Boras is a bastard that we know. So maybe we never land one of his and I don’t think we ever have signed one of his to a major deal (?). But if they did flag something regardless if his doctors disagreed, eating $350 mill to make a statement we are a big free agent destination is not worth the albatross this contract will be, especially would have been for us. Judge was worth it but not Correa. Our cupboards are pretty bare for trades but will be maybe the year we see Kyle Harrison up late and see if Luciano and others can be moved up to AA and AAA and see how real they will be. But will definitely be a lost year.

    • bobmc7 said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:10 pm

      My wife woke me up today at 7AM with this news. At first I thought she was just joking around (she’s an A’s fan and we like to talk trash) until I saw the story on ESPN. She wasn’t even gloating about it, her tone was genuine pity. Her team hasn’t won a pennant in 30 years and is half-packed for Las Vegas, and even she feels sorry for me right now.

  2. Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 5:33 am

    This is going to be quite a day in DC today with Zelensky here!!! Wish I had a Ukrainian flag to fly outside my office…

  3. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 5:41 am

    to be clear, I don’t really care about losing Correa. From one standpoint this could be a blessing in disguise. What I DO care about is how this makes us look. Try to imagine a big time free agent EVER agreeing to a deal with us again. You can’t. And neither can they. We are a laughingstock this morning.

    • bobmc7 said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:43 pm

      My thoughts exactly. I didn’t think signing Correa was a good idea given his injury history and everything. But if you’re gonna announce the damn signing publicly, then close the deal. The way the Giants front office handled this situation is staggeringly incompetent and makes them look cheap and untrustworthy to future free agents.

      Whatever “medical issue” the Giants discovered during his physical clearly wasn’t anything the Twins or Mets were worried about. This sounds to me like an excuse for last minute cold feet or some kind of front office dispute between Greg and Farhan.

  4. blade3colorado said, on December 21, 2022 at 5:49 am

    Totally disagree with you Flavor. Please explain how Farhan has turned the Giants into a laughingstock? A physical exam is part and parcel of ALL contract signings. Would we want Correa on the team if he had failed the physical exam? I sure as hell wouldn’t. As Giant Head said, I am relieved they didn’t sign Correa, knowing full well that there was an issue(s) in his physical exam, particularly with $350 million on the line. I am going to trust the physician on this one.

    Unlucky? Yes. A complete disaster? Absolutely. The freaking music stopped and the Giants don’t have a chair to sit in.

    • Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 5:55 am

      I’m assuming you know this but for those who might not, when you sign a player like this you have ALREADY REVIEWED ALL AVAILABLE MEDICAL RECORDS. It’s called due diligence. And if they did find something in the actual physical it certainly isn’t a concern for the Mets–or the Twins i might add who were desperate to sign him and who know him better than anyone. You can spin this however you want. Unless the Mets cancel this deal too we look like total fools here. And NO FREE AGENT worth his salt is going to trust signing a deal with Farhan ever again. Shit why would they? You sign a big deal with him and then he finds a fucking hangnail problem and it’s canceled? LOL this is absurd.

    • bobmc7 said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:54 pm

      You’re assuming that the “medical issue” was really the reason the Giants backed out of the deal, rather than a face-saving excuse for simply getting cold feet about the money (an excuse the Giants conveniently can’t elaborate on publicly due to HIPPA laws). The Twins and Mets doctors didn’t seem to see any problems with Correa’s health – do the Giants have better doctors?

      I honestly didn’t want the Giants to sign Correa either given his (already known) injury history. But they should have passed on the guy from the beginning instead of announcing the signing and then changing their minds a week later for vague reasons. I’m not worried about losing Correa, I’m worried that the Giants front office have made themselves look untrustworthy to future free agents.

      • blade3colorado said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:42 pm

        Well, what was the reason? Both Boras and Z said it was a medical issue they disagreed about. Cite your source when you reveal the real reason . . . By the by, per Boras – the owner’s son, Greg Johnson, played a pivotal role in this proposed signing, i.e., with this much money on the line, he had final say so on whether the Giants consummated the deal.

  5. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:01 am

    Kerry is spot on here:

  6. James said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:03 am

    There was speculation that the contract would be amended to address whatever issue was uncovered. Boras asked the Mets if they’d sign Correa without any stipulations regarding the concern, which may have been relatively minor, and Cohen said “yes.”

    One scenario for what happened ….

    • James said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:04 am

      Didn’t see BF’s post above.

  7. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:08 am

    I’m truly speechless this morning. Kerry is right, the giants need to hold a presser TODAY and explain this in greater detail.

    • willedav said, on December 21, 2022 at 7:11 am

      Which may not be possible to explain given privacy of the player involved. It is also possible something happened to him since season ended. Regardless, very deflated for fanbase and I think players too–except for he who will not have to change positions in rocking chair farewell tour season.

  8. James said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:11 am

    We may be canceling that March 30th flight to NYC.

  9. mrsprtdude said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:18 am

    Mixed feelings. I agree with both points of view. I never liked Correa or the contract. That said i do think it will make players think twice, and they already do!
    In the business world you blow a deal like this and another company swoops in and buys the company you wanted but couldn’t close the deal? Board of directors have to pick sides and either bless it of fire the CEO…

    • Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:23 am

      this is exactly my point. I don’t really care about losing Correa. I care about how this all went down. This wreaks of them getting in over their heads and pulling the deal because they panicked about the offer that got accepted. The offer THEY offered. LOL. The Twins were desperate to sign this guy and the Mets didn’t blink when offered the chance to get him. That’s all you fucking need to know about this

  10. Locojuan said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:25 am

    The only thing I can think of is a possible positive/false positive test to steroids. Although, for Boras to drop the deal and get a deal done with the Mets in 4 hours, makes the Giants look completely unorganized to handle whatever they possibly found.

    Correa is a stud and a player to build around, the 13 years wasn’t viewed to be all productive years, it is what teams are doing to beat the tax. The Giants had the money to do much this offseason, it should never have been about one signing but it was and now it’s Plan Z-Man.
    I expect the announcement that the Giants have resigned Belt and Longo to be coming shortly.

    If ownership agrees that they dodged a bullet, Zaidi will get an extension, if they don’t agree…

    • Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:30 am

      i want answers. TODAY.

    • James said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:45 am

      It sounds like you still suspect this wasn’t completely their decision to call it off.

      • Locojuan said, on December 21, 2022 at 7:07 am

        I don’t think the Giants called it off. My guess is that they wanted to renegotiate but couldn’t come to an agreement. Boras is said to have negotiated the deal with the Mets in 4-5 hours, and they had only preliminary talks before. If the Giants didn’t call it off and just couldn’t come to an agreement, I’d consider that pretty embarrASSing.

        Do you feel that the Giants called the deal off?

      • James said, on December 21, 2022 at 7:18 am

        It doesn’t ring true that they simply walked away from the deal. I posted a scenario above that made sense to me. I think Boras got a deal without opt out strings attached from Cohen.

      • Locojuan said, on December 21, 2022 at 7:55 am

        That is a plausible scenario, James. But the thing is, I truly think Correa was Zaidi’s guy all along. I think ownership liked the player and marquee value of Judge, but Correa was the guy for Zaidi. To get to the signing table and something small sets off enough of a change to the agreement that Boras blows them off, still seems pretty embarrassing to me and has left the Giants with only trades to be able to upgrade.

  11. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:31 am

    Again, being happy we don’t have to actually do this monstrosity of a deal is a separate issue completely. This is all about how it went down and how it will affect us going forward.

  12. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:42 am

    WilcoJoe chiming in on twitter

  13. pawliekokonuts said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:52 am

    What a nightmare to wake up to. (I’m more or less plagiarizing from James Joyce here: ‘History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake.’) Except for saving lots of money (unfortunately, for Charles Johnson to give to alt right wackos), I see no upside to this. Any presser will be laden with lies. Lots of squirming. This will diminish any credibility of the FO. Ticket holders will jump ship, maybe sponsors too. What’s the team’s identity or brand now? The SF Feckless? The Bay Area Bumblers? Farhan’s Folly? And if Farhan is axed, what about the ensuing chaos? Who wants to play under that? During Watergate, the phrase was: ‘what did he (Nixon) know, and when did he know it’? Also, ‘follow the money.’ All of that applies here. This is layer upon layer upon layer of worseness. (Linguistic point: listen to how many times Zaidi says “sort of” or “I think.” He does it a lot. Those qualifiers are a sign of weakness.)

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  15. blade3colorado said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:59 am

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  16. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 7:20 am

    Absolutely great news and I bet they we’re all in on it.
    Including Correa’s best buddy, Lindor.
    Enjoy the LIE (double meaning)…

  17. willedav said, on December 21, 2022 at 7:32 am

    idk, the fact that SF raised a medical issue with Correa tells me someone on their staff found a red flag ( i. e. not Zaidi backing out) and recommended more tests/consultations on whatever it was they found and held deal up. At which point Boras picks up his phone, pivots to other suitors, finds a willing buyer and there you have it.

    • Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 7:50 am

      i’m sure they did find something. But again, they reviewed ALL his medical records before offering the original deal. Every knew he had back issues, that was KNOWN. Whatever it was the message has now been sent to the entire world: the Giants cannot be relied on at the big contract level to follow through. Again, the Twins were dying to sign this guy. You think they didn’t know what’s going on inside his body? COME ON!!!!

      • James said, on December 21, 2022 at 7:58 am

        It wasn’t the back, per the reports. And presumably this was something new.

    • James said, on December 21, 2022 at 7:57 am

      Ultimately, it does come down to that. Cohen said I don’t care about what they found. The Giants could have said the same and swept it under rug. The expression of any hesitation had Boras going to the backup plan.

  18. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 7:56 am

    djloo27 said, on December 13, 2022 at 9:22 pm (Edit)

    The guy has never had 160 hits in a season.
    One of the dumbest signings ever.

    • Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:01 am

      again, this is a separate issue. I don’t have a problem with losing him. I have a problem with the way it went down and how we are perceived going forward. We cannot be seen as serious contenders for the big guys going forward.

    • James said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:04 am

      But he does have 150 in a season 3 times!

      • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:19 am

        I’ll see your 3X and raise you a Horace Clarke (5X)…

  19. Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:01 am

    I think you can’t get a full picture of someone’s physical athletic health just through X-rays and such. I am sure they put him through a vigorous physical and something popped up. Reports stated was not a back issue and wonder being an infielder if it is more of a throwing shoulder issue. Doubt it is a steroid issue. That would not pop up in a physical.

    • Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:02 am

      you think the Twins don’t know this guy’s body inside and out? They were dying to sign him they just couldn’t afford him.

      • Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:52 pm

        We are not as desperate. Twins are like me when I moved to DC!!!

  20. Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:01 am

    Would people here be willing to pursue Tatis through a trade?

  21. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:03 am

    Mets still kinda suck with their very average OF and top 2 starters likely in assisted living by mid-August…

    • James said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:08 am

      I’m visiting some assisted living places today for my mom. That’ll cheer me up.

  22. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:05 am

    here is the only scenario I would support (and we likely will never know the truth, I don’t think the Giants can discuss the specifics of this guy’s medicals): A new physical issue popped up since the season ended and that the Twins didn’t know about. Cohen signed him because he doesn’t give a shit about money (and that’s true) and figured he’d get at least a couple years out of this dude. All he wants is the promised WS win he said he’d being them in 3-5 years. 2023 is Year 3.
    If all that went down and the Giants backed out then I’m ok with this.

    • James said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:12 am

      Seems plausible. Boras is not going to fuck around for a nano second if he has another option.

  23. Locojuan said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:11 am

    Here is the thing, the Giants had a shit load of money to spend and weren’t able to spend it even after going after every free agent available. How sad is that?

  24. willedav said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:13 am

    Baggs in Athletic: “Whether this turns out to be a case of buyer’s remorse or a client revolt or a legitimate disagreement over finding in a physical, the consequences are disastrous for the Giants.”
    And yes Flav, your 8:05 could be completely accurate.

  25. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:23 am

    Giants will be in big time on Ohtani.
    BIG TIME!!!

    • Macdog said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:16 am

      And they’ll fall short on him, too.

      • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:29 am

        Probably, but that’s a guy who can sell tickets.
        He could wear one of Murakami’s old numbers which I looked up (10, 37).
        Fun fact: Murakami and Willie Mays both born on May 6th….

    • Macdog said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:40 am

      Oh, I agree. I’d love to get Ohtani. But it ain’t happening. BTW, my Mets hatred just got awakened from its slumber.

    • Macdog said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:40 am

      Oh, I agree. I’d love to get Ohtani. But it ain’t happening. BTW, my Mets hatred just got awakened from its slumber.

  26. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:27 am

    And fuck Boras.
    He probably held the door open for Jack Ruby…

  27. blade3colorado said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:31 am

    Okay, Flav’s 8:05 post scenario makes sense. You’re also right about “privacy” (see the HIPAA Privacy Rule, as I believe this covers what they can and can’t say). They wont be able to get into specifics regarding the new physical issue.

    Also, it is VERY CLEAR to me that Z had little, if anything, to do with this. This is ALL Greg Johnson. Per the SF Chronicle,

    “There wasn’t even a hint of the Correa deal falling through before Tuesday. On Monday, Boras was bragging to the San Francisco Chronicle about how Giants chairman Greg Johnson locked in the Correa deal. (Johnson is the son of owner and right-wing billionaire Charles Johnson, who has ceded control of the team to Greg.) “Greg was very important to this process,” Boras told the Chronicle in a story published Monday evening. “He was really instrumental, as Carlos was impacted by his statements…He was on the phone with me multiple times and pushing the process and this won the day for S.F.”

    When $350 million is involved, the GM butts out . . . This is Greg Johnson’s decision all the way in my opinion.

  28. willedav said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:59 am

    while we’re at it, did Correa pass Mets physical exam?

    • willedav said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:01 am

      All MLBTR says is that Correa agreed to join Mets.

    • James said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:04 am

      I can’t imagine NY agreed to the deal without being informed of what the Giants found.

      • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:04 am

        Because they didn’t find anything…

      • Macdog said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:18 am

        Or Cohen doesn’t care what they found, it’s full steam ahead.

    • Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:54 pm

      The new contract is pending a physical…

  29. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:09 am

    Jesus, Franco Harris dead at 72.
    Just days before the 50th anniversary of the immaculate reception…

    • Macdog said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:24 am

      I’m ay my brother’s house in St. Louis for the holidays. He’s a big Steelers fan and had a Pittsburgh sports station on Alexa this morning, and they replayed an interview with Franco — from a week ago — that was a bit weird to listen to. Another Jersey guy.

  30. Macdog said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:36 am

    This is certainly staggering in rhe short-term, and I don’t think it’s debatable that this makes the Giants look like incompetent boobs. It’d be great if any writer, whether local (doubtful) or national (possible) can get to the bottom of what went down with all this, because Flav is right, we need some answers. And I’m especially pissed since they didn’t bring back Rodon — $$$ that could’ve been spent there. Maybe in a few years we’ll be glad this happened while seeing the Mets fall short of a title. But right now, it’s going to be hard getting psyched up to attend that season-opening series in the Bronx.

  31. Winder said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:45 am

    Correa would have made our team better but probably not enough to really matter. I just hate it when the media gets to involved and say shit they don’t have a clue on. I hope the adversity makes us stronger. Good luck to the Mets.

  32. birddogpdx said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:45 am

    Let’s review what we know;
    1) Correa is a cheater
    2) Boras is a mercenary and shrewd negotiator who will do whaetver it takes to get the most $$ for his clients.
    3) Mets are desperate for a WS and would be willing to make a bad long term contract for a few goos years

    My hypothesis is there was something wrong with Correa that he and Boras were trying to keep on the down low but Giants sniffed it out. Boras know this was a risk and knew Mets would not care so he kept them on standby, which is why he could close the deal so quickly.

    Net me this doesn’t make Giants look bad it shows we do our due diligence and we are not desperate or will be taken advantage off, good message to other potential signings.

    Net net this is a good thing as it frees us up to go after Soto next year who would be a far better fit in SF.

  33. willedav said, on December 21, 2022 at 9:57 am

    from MLBTR column earlier this morning: “…his deal with the Mets will become official once he passes a physical.”

  34. xoot said, on December 21, 2022 at 10:16 am

    Boras played Greg Johnson. Farhan must be pissed off.

    Always bothered me that Greg J publicly promised to keep his father’s people from sending money to right-wing cranks and then just as publicly failed to do that. Now the scope of his ineptitude seems colossal.

    • unca_chuck said, on December 21, 2022 at 10:22 am

      Greg ain’t gonna tell Charlie what to do with his money.

      • Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:59 pm

        Hell no he won’t!!!

    • blade3colorado said, on December 21, 2022 at 10:55 am

      Agree xoot.

  35. unca_chuck said, on December 21, 2022 at 10:21 am

    Ohtani will cost the Giants 15/$750 million ($50 mill a year). That’s the only way he comes here.

    This is a fucking disaster perception-wise. Unless Correa completely breaks down this season. Or gets suspended for PED use.

    Boras is a major league tool. I’m sure he was whispering to the Mets behind the scenes last week.

  36. unca_chuck said, on December 21, 2022 at 10:22 am

    Fuck the Mets, BTW. What are they? $200 million over the lux tax? They get a 1st year exemption or some shit?

  37. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 10:30 am

  38. Macdog said, on December 21, 2022 at 10:38 am

    If nothing else, any Giants fans — and there must be some — who bought season tickets after Correa picked the Giants certainly deserve some answers.

    • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 11:14 am

      Or some refunds…

    • Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 11:16 am

      Murph (from the Murph and mac show in the morning on KNBR) was saying that before the Correa signing he was *dreading* going to his season ticket group and asking them all to re-up and that he was relieved and that he wasn’t going to have a problem now keeping that ticket group together. Oops. He’s off this week so we never heard his take on this but like any season ticket holder they have to be irate right now when looking at how this was handled.

      • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 11:23 am

        I highly doubt there was a spike in sales from Correa…

    • Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 2:01 pm

      Doubt there were many of them.

  39. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 11:16 am

    Boras comments:
    “We reached an agreement. We had a letter of agreement. We gave them a time frame to execute it,” Boras said. “They advised us they still had questions. They still wanted to talk to other people, other doctors, go through it. I said, ‘Look, I’ve given you a reasonable time. We need to move forward on this. Give me a time frame. If you’re not going to execute, I need to go talk with other teams.”

  40. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 11:38 am

    Now watch them sign Boras client Conforto coming off injury…

  41. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 11:52 am

    Cool view of this

    • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 12:16 pm

      Phenomenal!

  42. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 12:11 pm

  43. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 12:15 pm

    I think Wilco might’ve just nailed it…

    • Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 2:05 pm

      Bingo. Deservedly lukewarm. The Judge decision to stay in Ny was a bullet.

  44. unca_chuck said, on December 21, 2022 at 12:36 pm

    here’s the original broadcast with 2 views I hadn’t seen.

    Just click the youtube link. Goalpost still gets in the way to see if the ball hit the ground. Looks like it in that long view.

  45. zumiee said, on December 21, 2022 at 12:48 pm

    I was one of those not all that thrilled with signing Correa anyway.
    Some of the sports media responses seem a bit over the top to me.
    We need to get Columbo on the case. He’d be all “Just one more thing, Mr. Johnson…..one more thing….”

  46. zumiee said, on December 21, 2022 at 12:53 pm

    Speaking of Columbo, a stellar episode last night. George Hamilton as a psychiatrist who kills the husband of a woman he’s having an affair with. She is also a patient of his in a huge violation of his profession. He kills the guy with a fireplace iron, which has been the weapon of choice in many a murder mystery over the years.
    The lovely Lesley Ann Warren plays the wife.
    Columbo is battling a cold throughout the episode, and looks even more disheveled than usual, if that’s possible.

    • Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 2:07 pm

      One of my college fraternity brothers married this hottie from Memphis and she slept with their marriage therapist so he must be glad he did not end up on the same end from George Hamilton in Columbia…

  47. willedav said, on December 21, 2022 at 12:57 pm

    Flav’s 11:16 straight (as possible) from Boras’ mouth, OK. Krueger/Wilco takes I don’t buy. The Giants saw something they didn’t like–Zaidi being fully aware of what fan and players reactions would be–and asked Boras for more time to further evaluate. I’m sure he’s as disappointed in how it played out and what losing out on him means for roster construction as anyone.
    Correa (or Boras) said No we ain’t playing that, which leads me to believe Correa has something to hide.

    • zumiee said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:04 pm

      And Correa may be a bit hyper-sensitive to being seen as being deceptive.

  48. zumiee said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:02 pm

    Fun fact: Jack Cassidy, father of David Cassidy and Shaun Cassidy, and married to Shirley Jones for a while, was a different villain in three Columbo episodes. The people running the show clearly liked the high intensity and chemistry between the two actors in the combative battles between Columbo and villain.

    • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:25 pm

      I would never put this guy down…

  49. alleykat69 said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:04 pm

    Billionaire owner who contributes to conspiracy theories & would rather run the organization like a real estate company than field a COMPETITIVE team in one of the BEST MEDIA MARKETS!! What a NIGHTMARE for the Giants!
    In the end as usual Smoke &Mirrors.”Always the Bridesmaids never the Bride”

  50. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:15 pm

    I never saw a reason to commit ridiculous money to this guy.
    Our current infielders may not be stars, but the needs are so much greater at other positions…

  51. zumiee said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:18 pm

    I watched that Raiders/Steelers game on an old black and white TV in my bedroom. I was a junior high student in 1972 with a TV in my bedroom! My older brother had gotten a part-time job at a TV repair shop (remember those?!), and had repaired a discarded old TV well enough I could actually get a few channels using the rabbit ears. A little snowy, but, heck- a TV in my room! (My older brother was awesome. Nicest guy ever.)
    I remember how that pass deflected away and went off-screen, then suddenly the camera shot changed abruptly to Harris running down the sideline and the announcer going crazy, and not really totally understanding what was happening. Just a crazy ending, for those days especially.

  52. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:20 pm

    From MLB.com:

    A projected lineup against right-handed pitchers, based on how the Mets operated last season, looks like this:

    1. Nimmo, CF
    2. Starling Marte, RF
    3. Lindor, SS
    4. Pete Alonso, 1B
    5. Correa, 3B
    6. Jeff McNeil, 2B
    7. Mark Canha, LF
    8. Daniel Vogelbach, DH
    9. Narváez, C

    I’m not that dazzled…

    • blade3colorado said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:40 pm

      Loo, correct me if I am wrong – I recall from daily fantasy that all of these guys (except for Correa of course, and possibly Narvaez) were already part of the team, e.g., Nimmo is a resigning. So yeah, this is a snooze fest of a line up. In fact, odd man out is Escobar, who goes to the bench due to Correa playing 3rd. lol

      • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:23 pm

        You’re absolutely correct, Blade.
        Do you ever hear from the hibernating Chi?

    • Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 2:10 pm

      Meh…but may be the best one in the NL East….

  53. zumiee said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:32 pm

    In a recent Columbo episode that I saw, the killer’s alibi was that he was at an art gallery at the time of the murder. So….Columbo goes to visit the art gallery. The scene made me laugh outloud, especially the end of the scene when he talks about his wife’s paintings. The show can have great moments of comedy. Here’s that scene:

  54. Locojuan said, on December 21, 2022 at 1:41 pm

    Fucking medical staff.

    • zumiee said, on December 21, 2022 at 2:04 pm

      A Flapper once joked that the Giants have a crack medical staff, because the medical staff acts like they smoke crack.
      It sounds like a Kat joke to me, but I could be wrong.

  55. Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 2:12 pm

    Mets don’t need Correa to play a full season. If they get 140 games a year out of him and they make the playoffs next 2-3 years and is healthy in the playoffs the Mets and their fans will be happy.

  56. Giant Head said, on December 21, 2022 at 2:16 pm

    Soto may be the only possible option because I could see the Flodgers and Yankees being all in for Ohtani. Mariners will be in the same boat as us throwing money around with no chance. Soto will probably take $400 mill. Hopefully Padres won’t match but who knows now with the Mets…

  57. unca_chuck said, on December 21, 2022 at 2:21 pm

    I’m not so sure about that, GH. This is all about winning it all for the new trillionaire owner Cohen. Not about hanging around the payoffs.

    Jack Cassidy was the villain in just about every detective show on the air in the 60s and 70s. McCloud, Cannon, Mannix, Barnaby Jones, Rockford Files, Kojak, Mod Squad, Banachek, Charlie’s Angels, and of course Columbo. . . . And this is of the top of my head. I’m sure there are about 40 more shows I missed. he musta hit Get Smart at some point.

  58. unca_chuck said, on December 21, 2022 at 2:23 pm

    Mets payroll this year is ~$500 mill. They are paying $111 mill overage fees.

  59. unca_chuck said, on December 21, 2022 at 2:37 pm

    I can see the Giants trying to go hard at Ohtani. Esp after this fiasco. Any west coast team has a shot. The Angels will likely be amenable to trading him once they are eliminated by June 10th.

    Or we simply become the SFA’s.

  60. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:00 pm

    I have listened to a fair amount of knbr today. Verducchi was on and he said what bothered the Giants was something in his injury history from a long time ago, he suggested it was before he even started playing MLB. If this is true how could they not have discovered this beforehand? Are we to believe that they DIDN’T look at any of his records and they just blindly offered him 360 million? What level of incompetence is that?

    • Macdog said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:26 pm

      Pav story said multiple sources told him about concern over an ankle injury from very early in his minor league career.

      • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:31 pm

        Also talk of a childhood thumb injury sustained during a heated game of Chutes & Ladders…

      • Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:34 pm

        ok let’s say that’s true. Everyone already knew about this. Or did the Giants go into this so clueless they didn’t know? Also, WTF, these are athletes. They all have bumps and bruises. What did the Giants think they were buying? A brand new car? Fucking morons.

  61. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:20 pm

    This guy appears to have a strong knowledge of the Twins.
    Looks like he might be a cut above your basic blogger…

    Posted by Seth Stohs, 7 hours ago

    My Waking Up to this News initial thoughts:

    – My first reaction yesterday was that the Giants looked bad, issuing the postponement but not providing much else. Of course, they really can’t say anything about the physical, and this is a great example for why teams don’t like when news breaks of a player agreeing to terms (PENDING PHYSICAL)… in most cases, failure of a physical would stay quiet, private.

    – But with this news of him heading to New York within about 5-6 hours of the Giants news, it now looks more like Correa wanted out of the Giants deal. He wants to play for a winning team. he looks at the Mets roster, the incredible starting pitching, adding bullpen arms, and the lineup, along with teaming with long-time friend Francisco Lindor and wanted to be there. Oh, and that Cohen guy is just going to keep spending. In this case, I think Correa is the one that kind of looks bad. If that’s the case, he just shouldn’t have committed to the Giants. However, he hadn’t signed yet.

    Just a really weird situation.

    • Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:32 pm

      Correa couldn’t get out of the deal. Only the Giants could nix it. I suppose you could say he got out of it because they Giants refused to perform and they said “do it or we walk”. I don’t know what the time line is on an offer letter like the one that’s being discussed.

    • willedav said, on December 21, 2022 at 4:49 pm

      Boras did call the Twins too, and said they had to beat Mets offer, and they refused to go above their original $285 million offer. I think this is Correa’s call too once Giants expressed some skepticism, going to NY to play with his homie, at 3b no less.
      Did anyone ever hear from him about how excited he was to be a Giant?

  62. Macdog said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:20 pm

    • Macdog said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:24 pm

      See Loo’s 11:38am.

      • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:26 pm

        Thanks, Mac.
        I think he’s absolutely worth a look…

    • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:24 pm

      I scooped her at 11:38 AM…

  63. blade3colorado said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:37 pm

    Loo, only hear from Chi on Messenger and Facebook . . . Him and Gail wished Michele and I a happy Christmas a couple of days ago. He’s doing well. He has a shitload of friends up here, so he is always busy. Conversely, I am really isolated in the sticks up here in my mountain abode . . . Closest buddy is in Elk Grove and another in Stockton, with the rest in the Sunnyvale area. Fortunately, my daughter is a joy and its definitely not as boring with her around. lol

    • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 4:15 pm

      Thanks Blade.
      Please send best.
      Glad your little girl is doing well…

      • blade3colorado said, on December 21, 2022 at 6:46 pm

        She is thriving in kindergarten Loo. I will likely see or talk to Chi by the end of the year and will pass that on to him. Sheesh, this bad Giants news would seem to motivate him to give a response here.

  64. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 3:38 pm

    i mean shit not even the Giants could have been dumb enough to think Correa was going to perform for 13 years. An old ankle injury from before he started playing MLB? LOL shit it hasn’t seemed to bother him so far. And again, if they did ANY due diligence before they offered him 360 large I would hope they would have noticed this

  65. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 4:06 pm

    Someone commented on an article in the NY Post that if the Giants were the ones who backed out of it and he was unaffordable to the Twins, Cohen could have gotten him much cheaper (8/240M) since there was no competition for his services.
    If he’s right, this just gets murkier…

    • Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 4:08 pm

      Cohen doesn’t care about the contract length, cost or how long he’ll be productive. He was Boras’ ace in the hole. Without Cohen nobody offers him a similar deal after the Giants backed out. Still, Cohen exists and he exists almost exclusively to try to win a world series next year.

  66. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 4:11 pm

    remember this is the Giants flagship station. It’s been like this most of the day

  67. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 4:28 pm

    And if we took a vote every single one of us would vote yes on Cohen as our owner. He’s a fan’s dream. Right up there with Lacob

    • willedav said, on December 21, 2022 at 4:57 pm

      Um, no. Bottom line I’m more surprised than annoyed Giants don’t have Correa after being very surprised they signed him in first place. Going in I didn’t think they were going to get Judge or one of the FA SS, so not really disappointed that’s how it turned out. Boring or not, I’ll still watch baseball 2023.

      • Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 5:09 pm

        how could you possibly not want an owner who doesn’t give a shit about money and who will spend whatever it takes to field the most competitive team?

      • willedav said, on December 21, 2022 at 5:24 pm

        Because it’s so much more than how much money you spend (hello Arte Moreno), and about owner’s own personality–not a fan of Cohen at all. How much did Rangers spend last year to lose so many games? Last time Yankees won WS? Dodgers? $$ is irrelevant, unless you overspend on guys, which Lacob is certainly guilty of.

        Have you heard Lacob when he’s on Warriors broadcast of summer games with Fitz? Gad I’m surprised they can find a set of headphones that fit him. And like Sabean his people have made quite a lot of f-ups of draft picks and development since he took them over 2010.

  68. Pasalon said, on December 21, 2022 at 4:50 pm

    If any flappers out there are doing audio production on the side, be advised that Avid is running a nice promo on Pro Tools. Big savings until Jan 4!

    https://www.avid.com/special-offers/holiday?promo_id=Homepage,homepage,hero,holiday2022,12052022&promo_name=holiday2022&promo_position=homepage,hero

  69. James said, on December 21, 2022 at 5:28 pm

    A comprehensive risk assessment can include technical details about potential problems that a sponsor has not noticed before and that sound worse than they are because of how they’ve been written by the expert. The time it takes to mitigate the fear can be frustratingly long.

    The overly thorough medicos cite some obscure, unlikely issue with the ankle in order to cover their asses and Johnson(?) asked “wait, should we be worried about this?”

    The theories will be endless!

    • xoot said, on December 21, 2022 at 5:41 pm

      “Hmmmm. No wonder he has chronic back problems. Look at that crooked fibula! Are you sure there’s only a half-inch difference in the length of his legs?”

  70. Flavor said, on December 21, 2022 at 5:52 pm

    Lurie is on fire here and saying mostly what I’ve been saying all day
    https://www.knbr.com/2022/12/21/marty-lurie-on-medical-issue-souring-carlos-correa-deal-for-giants-i-dont-believe-it-at-all/

    • willedav said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:21 pm

      Marty Laurie and Larry Krueger just not my cup of tea. As Z acknowledged there are things they cannot discuss, which these two both know but choose to ignore. My question is, what was Boras hurry? He had $350 mil from SF, all of a sudden he’s talking about some time frame window. And his client takes less money after all. Any mention of Twins being all set to sign with open arms doesn’t hold water either, because Boras asked them after Giants raised their concerns and they wouldn’t meet Mets offer. If they wanted him they could have done so but didn’t. Very telling to me.

  71. Winder said, on December 21, 2022 at 7:49 pm

    Zumiee- Another think I like about Columbo is that he puts raisins on his peanut butter sandwiches.

    • Winder said, on December 21, 2022 at 7:50 pm

      thing

  72. mrsprtdude said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:23 pm

    Any way you look at this the Giants are fucked. Either the leadership are clueless or scared and backed out. A horrible situation either way. Think were gonna get Ohtani? Nope
    AND.. for many years the only big spender in the NL was the Dodgers. Now its LA, SD, Mets, Phillies. Atl and St Louis are better run than us. We are screwed.

  73. knight2king1 said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:33 pm

    He’s the Mets Chernobyl now. After checking the x-rays, it turns out there’s a crack in the cooling tower.
    Correa would have had a marginal effect on ticket sales, and his WABC would maybe be 2.5, assuming he didn’t get hurt.
    Boras is the villain here, not Farhan, although Johnson is detestable as well.
    Irrespective of Correa, the only way to boost attendance and sustain success over the next decade is to produce talent. Their top three prospects should all be given a chance to break camp with the team.

    • djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:50 pm

      SOAD, baby!

  74. djloo27 said, on December 21, 2022 at 8:38 pm

    It feels great to be out from under that horrific contract…

  75. mrsprtdude said, on December 21, 2022 at 10:37 pm

    Like Craig I’m happy to not have him. It’s just the way it played out that the organization already had a hard time attracting A level talent, and now it will be harder at a time where it can’t be harder. SF has a better chance too look smart i the long run. 3rd base and the quick dives are harder physically than short imo. More of an injury risk for a player with back issues


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