Still No Answers
So the Giants have run and hid on this pretending they don’t have to answer questions because this is a HIPAA issue. But there are a LOT of questions that should be answered that wouldn’t violate Correa’s HIPAA rights.
For instance….
“His medical records with this information were available to every team in MLB who was interested in seeing them. Did you review these records prior to making your offer? If not, why not?”
“What did you do prior to making the offer that would qualify as due diligence?”
For Farhan to issue a 2 sentence press release that ended with “We wish Carlos the best” is a complete and total cop out.
I’m not really even that interested in what the medical issue was since I think there’s a high likelihood there was no medical issue in the first place. I just want to know the process. Right now the Giants look like a complete and total clown show run by buffoons in over their heads.
What research did they do prior to making the offer? According to Slusser all of this was available to any team who wanted to see it PRIOR to making the offer.
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and if you don’t think the rest of the baseball world is laughing at the Giants incompetence you’re not paying attention. There are a lot of these on twitter right now mocking Farhan and SF but this one was actually the best (IMO)
on the last thread Willied raised the question “why was Boras so quick to move on?” Well, for starters, Correa probably preferred to play in NY. His best friend plays SS. They actually have a good team that can win now. And it’s New York, baby. Cohen didn’t make him an offer before because he was busy signing all the rest of the great available free agents.
Look at it from Boras’ point of view. If the Giants started dragging their feet, and they obviously were, his job is to get his client the most $$$$ possible. Without Cohen there is NO WAY he gets a similar deal. Why wait for the Giants to bail? In most contracts “time is of the essence” is literally written right into it. He knew he had the Cohen ace up his sleeve and he played it—got his client the same amount of money basically AND he got him a place he’d rather play.
Boras is an ass but he’s a fantastic agent.
I think all this is likely how it played out and coming around now to your thinking that this makes the org look really in disarray.
I read where Boras contacted Minnesota first, but they wouldn’t budge from their 10 year $280 mil offer. So, he contacted Cohen and worked out that deal in 4 or 5 hours.
Minnesota is actually key to understanding some of this. I buy the argument that Cohen doesn’t care about the contract, he’s just looking for a couple of good years now so he can win a WS and he’ll eat the rest later. But Minnesota can’t miss on a deal like this. If they had even an inkling of concern about something in his medical history there’s no way they offer him 280 mil which would be by far the most they’ve ever offered to a player in franchise history
Agreed. A low revenue team offering a guy $28 mil per, is a huge commitment on their part.
According to Cot’s, we are $58.9 under the tax threshold right now. That makes me absolutely giddy. I can’t wait to watch those unspent dollars play next year.
Maybe the Giants just changed their minds.
I don’t think that’s such a big deal.
Regardless, the whole money thing and Steve Cohen in particular make me sick.
My favorite “Z” is Zelenskyy.
I’m gonna start dressing like him…
I know it’s a business and all, but I gotta think that call Zaidi had to make to Crawford to tell him he’s the SS again, was an uncomfortable one.
Crawford had already set up a GoFundMe page for a new 3B glove…
There was also some talk about Crawford waiving his 10-5 rights to get traded to the Yanks.
lulz on the new glove.
I joked to a friend that Crawford should spitefully announce his retirement, just to really pour it on.
If it was ownership that applied the brakes, the Z skeptics may be rewarded. I don’t see why he chooses to stay with SF, assuming this wasn’t his fuck up.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/barrymbloom/2018/03/23/poseys-left-ankle-always-problematic-for-the-giants-for-himself/amp/
Not unlikely that the medical report listed the issue and someone raised the question of whether or not Correa could see a similar decline in his early 30s.
There is no way that Zaidi alone could have called the deal off that late in the game. Don’t know if he agreed to it or not but that had to be an ownership call.
Although, if Zaidi and his staff are responsible for calling the presser before getting all the information then that could stick on him.
Zaidi’s part will be telling if his contract is extended or not. On the flip side, if Zaidi is embarrassed by ownership’s action, he won’t sign an extension if it’s offered.
Unless they really were unilaterally backing out of the deal, I don’t see how holding off on the press conference improves the look much at all. Lesson learned. Boras’ swift move would have had no less devastating an impact. I doubt that they had fully decided to back out.
i don’t think for a second this was Zaidi’s call. The entire episode though speaks to general incompetence across all levels of management and ownership. We are a laughingstock right now. That is fact.
There’s a potential failure to understand and manage the stakeholders, and an insufficient appreciation of Boras’ shrewdness and his available options. This assumes the front office didn’t harbor any significant doubts about the deal themselves. They needed to make the case to the money people in the strongest possible terms.
how many of these guys are dead now?
We traded Murcer to the Cubs? Can’t remember what we got. And we had Steve Ontiveros for a while.
that’s how we got Madlock
Ahhhh. That’s right. Old age rearing its ugly head.
who went on to spark Pirates to 79 WS title.
Can’t recall who we got in return, but probably a yikes.
Yeah, this whole situation started at the top. Pretty sure Z can only throw his ideas and opinions at the money people. I wonder if the board of directors voted. It does make us look bad but after diving in the dumpster for so long we kind of have had that look for awhile. We rented Bryant, gave Rodon an easy out so neither of those deals showed much of a commitment. Looks like we are gonna roll with Z’s plan to get our minor league system to produce long term players.
In a world full chaos, bullshit, and a country’s people who are being destroyed Zelenskyy showed more class than a lot of our politicians combined. I am a fan also.
“I didn’t realize the cookie might crumble in that way, too. I need to take one last deep breath before I dip.”
“Sure, that’s understandable”
“Hey, what happened to the milk?”
They didn’t have access to x-rays, although this wasn’t a baseball decision. Correa wasn’t generating any ticket sales.
The downtown SF commercial real estate market is cratering. People don’t want to take BART.
The upside is renters in The City who do have jobs will have more disposable income, MAYBE. They’ll turnout if some of the prospects pan out.
Jeez I rarely listen to 95 7 but God all they are doing is skewering the Giants. Way worse than knbr
One thing I’ve come off of after my blood pressure lowered is my anger at Farhan. I know he didn’t do this. But he participated in it. To what degree we’ll never know. Who called the press conference that had Correa in an SF uni surrounded by his family? This shit stinks at every level.
Reading through Athletics comments, pere Johnson seems to be most popular villain. Not Z.
Sure. I mean, I doubt Farhan was every really behind this in the first place. If I was a season ticket holder there is NO WAY I re-up
Reds signed Curt Casali. Giants, who were said to be interested, couldn’t even bring him back.
The slight similarity of Buster’s 2011 injury and AAA Correa’s is just too neat an explanation. But it’s the best one I’ve heard. Greg J improvidently wheeled and dealed like a yokel, and then the FO weighed in with the details that spooked SF’s all too experienced medicos. Boras, two other offers in his pocket, rejected a last-minute attempt to restructure the contract term. But wtf knows?
Brian Murphy just tweeted a reminder that Buster’s one of the owners now. Interesting point. Other writers say, however, that the minority owners weren’t even in the loop as things fell apart.
I truly don’t get all the controversy.
Deals fall through all the time in the business world.
God knows how many you never hear about.
It was an awful contract that they got out of…
Come on, man. The Giants have signed ONE big star. And that was barry Bonds 30 years ago. His ties were the main reason he came aboard.
Somehow, 2 hours before the big presser announcing our big signing, they find a medical issue from when Correa was 12? Whatever the fuck it is? This lies solely on Greg Johnson’s head.
Sure, this isn’t as bad as the Redskins and Dan Snyder, but this is incompetence of the highest order.
The Giants have (supposedly) been big players in Stanton, Harper, Judge, Gasman, Rodon, and any number of high-priced free agents, and now Correa, and they’ve landed ZERO. When they are 30 minutes from announcing the huge deal, they all run for the hills crying HIPAA?????
Fucking joke.
We are looking at a 95+ loss season. And the front office is gonna play it like the A’s? The Pirates?
Just fuck the fans and take the revenue sharing money? Jesus.
I’m giving Buster one season and then he sells.
If they are 95 losses bad now, Correa certainly wasn’t going to make them a winning team. They look headed for the same as last year 78-84 win range. Correa might have made them wild card contenders.
Judge was the goal and they gave it a great effort.
No use for this half ass consolation prize for the same money.
Can this motherfucker even run?
6 SB in the last 6 years and none since 2019 when he swiped ONE.
How about all of 9 career triples in almost 4,000 career PA?
Fuck him, fuck Boras, and fuck Cohen.
We done good…
Another one making the rounds on Twitter is the Giants had no issues signing oft-injured Mitch Haniger — and yes, for far less $$$ — but were somehow scared off by Correa’s past injuries.
I’m not on board with the “Giants need a superstar” to win games and fans back idea that bombarded this offseason from all the beat writers/media. To me that was another cool thing about 2021–old guys getting groove (and health back) and the absence of Betts Goldschmidt Scherzer Judge MVP type guys anywhere.
Ruf Solano Wilmet Late Night Lamonte yada yada
Put a winning product out there and interest will return.
Saddest thing about what just happened is that Boras (covering his rep and client) is only voice out there.
I don’t think it’s correct to say that this is some big national story. I watched the MLB Network for a chunk of time yesterday, and 95% of the coverage was about Judge officially signing with the Yankees. Swanson signing with the Cubs got more coverage than the Correa news.
The MLB Network made a bigger deal about Judge being named the Yankees captain, and who besides Yankee fans cares about THAT piece of trivia?
it’s everywhere on twitter. EVERYWHERE
Madlock trade to Pirates June 1979 wasn’t as bad as I thought.
Madlock Lenny Randle and Dave Roberts (!) to Pit for Fred Breining Al Holland and Ed Whitson. Wasn’t there guy who used to post here under that name?
fun fact: looking at box score for Eastern Illinois vs. Iowa last night, one of the reserves for the EIU Panthers was freshman guard Kyle Carlesimo, son of former coach PJ (12 years at Seton Hall before NBA) who played HS ball in Seattle.
The son is one who played in Seattle. Dad is from Scranton Pa.
There were 4 different Dave Roberts…
This one was in the Madlock deal..
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/roberda05.shtml
But clearly getting mocked by Sam Hustis on Twitter is completely unacceptable.
Yeah, no one knows who Sam Hustis is, but that’s not important.
you watch one show (MLB Network) and think you’ve got the pulse of this. You don’t. Every beat writer in the country is weighing in on this as well as all the major networks. Stick your head in the sand if you want, this is a major national sports story.
Most people don’t know how much really great Christmas music there is.
But everywhere I go they basically play the same dozen or so songs that everyone
is completely sick of…
I like a lot of Christmas music, but I can do without Bing Crosby singing “White Christmas.” I live in an area that has snowed one time in the last 46 years. A freak snowstorm that hit the Central Valley of Calif. in 1976. I was a sophomore in high school.
The song just doesn’t do anything for me. And the movie it came from is pretty mediocre.
Now, Bing Crosby singing with David Bowie in a TV Christmas special was awesome.
yeah lady i used to work with brought in these blues/r and b christmas ones with wild stuff. I remember one guy on there was Poppa Hop or something like that, tremendous cut. “Blue Yule” or some such collections, very listenable.
Uh, oh here comes the flood
Jesus
Boras and Correa did what they had to do. Whether Correa was plotting with Lindor in the background, just in case, or crestfallen that he wouldn’t be moving into the Blackhawk home of his dreams doesn’t really matter.
He was easy to spot on his crutches…
I looked up his career batting average on balls hit to the infield, hoping to find more evidence that he simply can’t run. Unfortunately, he has more IF hits than average. Anyway, carry on with your Correa assault. It makes me feel better.
IF hits may or may not be an indication of running speed…
i like all christmas music especially when I walk into stores or restaurants. Here, not so much. But elsewhere, sure bring it on
I think I heard “Let It Snow” in 5 different stores today…
When it comes to Twitter, I rarely check anything on it. I’m not signed up on it, so I only check things that non-members can see. There are 3 people whose tweets I check once in a while.
Singer/songwriter David Crosby, author N.K. Jemisin, and author Harry Turtledove.
None of the 3 weighed in on the Correa controversy. Crosby posted about putting a band together for a tour, Jemisin posted about a writing class she’s going to be teaching, and Turtledove posted about the Jan. 6 hearings.
you’re missing out. Lots of info out there to digest
I read lots of books. I’m old school! 🙂
Volodymyr Zelenskyy, president of Ukraine, did mention the Correa controversy in his speech before the joint houses of the U.S. Congress. He said: “Something ain’t right about that. I’m just sayin.'”
Jesus, they just played fuckin “Let It Snow” during a stoppage in play at MSG…
Chrissy Snow was pretty fuckable back in the day.
Back in the day, as a family, we played Dylan, Steve Earle, BB King, general blues, et al xmas lists on Pandora. Good stuff. Bah fucking humbug these days. I like it.
One of the tv re-run stations features a show called Harry O same time the afternoon news reports kick on. Terrible tripe, with the guy from the old b/w fugitive playing a “hard boiled” private dick. Mainly, it seems, unless he hooks up with a client, he dicks a slutty, half-dressed young neighbor, played by Farah Fawcett. Strange career start for her.
I’d like to see his Giant forecasts from 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016 and 2021…
It’s a 500 team right now. Sign Conforto and Rogers and see if you get lucky. It’s not like Correa turned them into a lock for the playoffs.
I think part of the reason I’m liking watching old Columbo reruns is because it’s like comfort food, basically. Like eating biscuits or something. A little nostalgia, maybe. I did watch a few episodes a long time ago, but have forgotten all of them.
On a side note, one of the things I’ve noticed about the Columbo episodes is that, being set in L.A., there’s a lot of driving by all the various characters. Nowadays, so many shows are set in NYC or Chicago, where hardly anyone’s driving a car in detective shows.
Columbo drives a funky little French car that looks like a soapbox derby car.
According to the interweb:
Columbo had a Peugeot 403 convertible. “It was common knowledge that Peugeot wasn’t that happy about how Columbo took care of his 403, or lack thereof, as his car was always dirty, had a patched paint job and seemed to smoke regularly.”
Sarge chiming in
Many of you eastward folks face some seriously icy solstice weather right now. Best to you. Last email from Stix was a couple of days ago. Imagine the wind chill up there.
Bauer reinstated effective immediately. Dogs I think looked forward to not paying him in regards to lux tax. Wonder what they do now?
gotta think a release is coming.
Dogs have til Jan 6 to add him to 40 man roster or release him. They will be on hook for $22 mil salary even if they do release him.
I think the Reds are going to eat about $22 million for releasing Moustakas, who floundered for the Reds.
I told my daughters ‘don’t go outside!” I’ll be in Montana in January.
The high today was -25.
I well remember -26 below in Anchorage.
Here’s a happy sports story: the Sac Kings continue to hold on to the #6 seed in the West for a while. They beat the Davis-less Lakers.
about a month ago I put $20 to win on them at 100-1. Odds were too good to pass up, they have a decent team this year and there’s no NBA team that looks like a lock.
not sure if i’ve ever heard Al Michaels more bored calling a game than this Jets game tonight in the rain
The point Verducci stresses the most is that this does no long term damage to the franchise…
https://nypost.com/2022/12/22/steve-cohens-mets-spending-spree-drawing-complaints/
*drawing complaints. LOL what a bunch of pussies. I’d be all in on Cohen if he was my owner.
Having a major “wish Twinfan was here” moment…
Gonna be fun watching the Mets crash and burn…
Half their crowd spends 4 innings waiting on line at Shake Shack…
No, Steve Cohen would never be part of anything shady…
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/16/when-the-feds-went-after-the-hedge-fund-legend-steven-a-cohen
Another day has gone by and I’m of the same thought. This sucks. We look terrible. Verducci says it won’t matter? I’m not buying it. Conforto? A joke if that’s where we are.
You know who IS excited? JD Davis and Brandon Crawford!
PS. We have money? Sign Bauer!