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1.78 ERA/.182 BA against

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on October 1, 2010

Those are the pitching staff numbers for September–and that includes the 10-run Zits game in Colorado. Truly amazing and probably the best month of pitching by a staff ever (Elias?)…..

After the Yankees clinched a playoff spot, my daughter’s grandpa, a diehard Yankee fan, barely cleared his throat in celebration. “They’re playing horrible, we’ll win nothing this year,” he grumbled. After I told him that if the Giants make the playoffs I was going to die my hair black and party like it’s 1999, he just stared at me with a confused look on his face…..

I cannot fathom the depth of the depression I will sink into if we lose 4 straight to the Padres right now…….

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  1. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 1, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Magic #1….playing at home….Matt Cain……Matt cain’s birthday…..orange Friday….Willie mac award pre game…..I seriously don’t think you could ever set up a more likely chance for good vibes and ultimate victory. I can’t even imagine the electricity in the yard tonight……

  2. PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on October 1, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    This from ESPN’s Jayson Stark, whose columns I truly enjoy:

    NL Rookie of the Year: Buster Posey, San Francisco Giants

    Full disclosure: I have to cast an official ballot for this award. So feel free to send me a sympathy card, because this is impossible. How could I not vote for Jason Heyward, whose .394 on-base percentage would be the sixth-best in history by a guy his age? How could I not vote for Jaime Garcia, the man who gave up three earned runs or fewer (in five innings or more) in the first 15 starts of his career, the longest streak in the last 35 years? And how could I leave phenoms like Gaby Sanchez, Chris Johnson, Jonny Venters, John Axford, Neil Walker, Mike Stanton and Starlin Castro off this ballot completely? I didn’t feel real warm and fuzzy about that, either. But if you think trying to figure out which names to cram onto a three-name ballot is rough, try deciding who ought to finish first. That makes the Grey Labyrinth look like Tic-Tac-Toe. I’ve changed my mind on this three times just this month. But I finally settled on Posey, and here’s why: Because, since the day he arrived in the big leagues (May 29), Posey hasn’t merely been the best rookie in his league. He’s been one of the best players, period, in his league. The only NL hitters who can match his .313 batting average and .511 slugging percentage since then are Albert Pujols, Carlos Gonzalez, Joey Votto and Matt Holliday. The only five NL rookies in the last 45 years to match or beat those numbers, in a season of 400 plate appearances or more, are Pujols (2001), Todd Helton (1998), Mike Piazza (1993), Ryan Braun (2007) and Hunter Pence (2007). And the only rookie catcher who has ever done better, since baseball defined what the heck a “rookie” was in 1957, was Piazza. Finally, when you factor in what all that — not to mention this guy’s emerging defense and leadership — has meant to Posey’s offensively challenged team these last four months, it pushes this guy just ahead of the pack. There might be eight rookies who deserve this award, but it’s Buster Posey who deserves it most — barely.

    Apologies to: Heyward, Garcia, Sanchez, Axford.

  3. Michael's avatar Michael said, on October 1, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Huff is third to Torres and Wilson as MVP. Buster is 4. I had forgotten about Pat, I’ll give him 5th. Huff would get it if t was only for offense. He’s respectable in the field, but Torres is Gold Glove caliber. Torres is #1 and #2 isn’t close.

  4. PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on October 1, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    …and this in an email from Blade3Colorado:

    “Baseball? I have been following the Giants heroic march to the division title, but I have had no time to post at the Flap. Let everyone know that I said hi and as soon as I get settled, I’ll stop on by. I try to set my line up for Fantasy League in the morning. You can tell GH and Flav to “bring it,” because I plan on winning the title. Ha.”

    Go Gigantes!

  5. dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnreno said, on October 1, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    Pawlie, nice. I like Stark’s column too.

    I think the homer last night sealed it for Posey. Of course I am a biased Giants fan but if Posey doesn’t take ROY I would question what game these voters have been watching ’cause it ain’t baseball.

  6. PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on October 1, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    We win 6-2 tonight.

  7. Michael's avatar Michael said, on October 1, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    FanGraphs has it, position players:
    Torres
    Huff
    Posey
    Uribe
    Fruckie
    Burrell
    Sandoval
    Pitchers:
    Lincecum
    Cain
    Wilson
    Sanchez

  8. James's avatar James said, on October 1, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    FWIW, the above replacement stats at baseball-reference give the edge to Huff as the team MVP.

    The WAR order is:

    Huff
    Torres
    Posey
    Burrell
    Uribe
    Franchez

    • Michael's avatar Michael said, on October 1, 2010 at 6:57 pm

      WAR at FanGraphs gives it to Torres.

      • James's avatar James said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:02 pm

        Yep — and Andres and Aubrey are clearly a cut above the Posey and Burrell. Then there’s the rest.

    • Michael's avatar Michael said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:01 pm

      And Burrell/Posey aren’t even close to those 2. Gomez gets it, sorry.

  9. alleykat's avatar alleykat said, on October 1, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Yeah Loo..The Appendectomy clinched it for me as well.

    Another Larry Baer marketing special for 2011

    Andres Torres BOBBLE APPENENDIX NIGHT

  10. Michael's avatar Michael said, on October 1, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    On power from the 1 not even Rickey approached Torres’ year except in his MVP year in 1990. He had 33 doubles, 3 triples, 28 HR, 61 RBI . Torres is 43-8-16-62. I’m not saying Andres is Rickey’s equal, but certainly those numbers shed some light on just how remarkable Andres has been this year.

    • James's avatar James said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:04 pm

      I’d be in Andres’ court as #1 if he hadn’t let the OBP slip over the year.

  11. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    WAR——- HUUHHH!
    Good God, y’all
    What is it good for?
    Absolutely nothing
    Say it again

    • James's avatar James said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:21 pm

      One of the all time great album covers.

  12. Bozo's avatar Bozo said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Nice award presentation and a big congrats to Torres.
    Now let’s go kick some Padre ass.

  13. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    In Ball Four, Bouton recounts Tommy Harper’s speech to the crowd after receiving some sort of team MVP award:

    Harper: ‘preciate it, thanks.

    • Bozo's avatar Bozo said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:25 pm

      Loo – My favorite is when Tug McGraw got a pay raise after winning the series and was asked what he do with the money. Tug said “Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I’ll probably waste.”
      I’ve always wanted to win the lotto just to use that quote (well that and the money).

  14. alleykat's avatar alleykat said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    I first narrowed it down to 3: Huff,Torres and Posey.
    Finally, I narrowed the 3 down to 1: Huff Aubrey Huff has been the the most consistent,the best locker room leader,as well as a smart player in the way he keeps rallies going.Rarely hits into DP’s and he hits in the clutch,Torres and Posey have been great,but Huff has been everything to this year’s team.

  15. Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Aaron Rowand makes an appearance and an impact of some sort later on.

    Go Giants and Go Horse!

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:35 pm

      Yeah, he helps Timmy pop an extremely tight champagne cork…

  16. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Don’t discount the value of an Atlanta loss tonight…

  17. Michael's avatar Michael said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Well, that’s swell, Kat, but Torres has been better than Huff with RISP, and Posey has as well. Huff has hit into 16 DPs, Torres 10. Just say you “vote” for Huff, I’d skip the reasons if I were you.

  18. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Guill-otined!!!

  19. wswinb4igo's avatar wswinb4igo said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Franchez shoulder took the test…passed

  20. Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Check that fuckers birth certificate. He’s too old.

  21. xootsuit's avatar xootsuit said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    SD is going all out. Bring it on, asswipes.

  22. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    That should wake up this docile, uninspired crowd….

  23. Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Matty almost did it again—2 out BS. That’s his bugaboo.

  24. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    The jabbering jackass who is the Padres’ lead announcer looked at the replay (he says) and still declared that creaky ol’ Tejada should have been called safe.

    Sorry, he was out by an inch. Not saying the ump saw it that way and that it wasn’t a “ball beat him” call, but he was right, for whatever reason.

  25. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Franchez looks like he’s on Cocaine. He needs to get the chill out lecture from kruk

  26. PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    stream torrent, anyone? can’t find the game…

  27. Michael's avatar Michael said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Two perfect throws, imperfect tag.

  28. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    where the hell are you, pawlie?

  29. Bozo's avatar Bozo said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Anyone else having problems with mlb.com?

  30. Michael's avatar Michael said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Looks like it’s game on for both squads.

  31. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Well, they hit Elway a little bit … even without getting a hit

  32. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    It should be on MLBN as soon as the Brave game ends.

  33. Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Damn. Thought Pat’s ball was gonna make it. Maybe if one of you guys would have voted for him in Flav’s poll it would have found the alley.

  34. alleykat's avatar alleykat said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Yeah thinking the same thing Twin,one hell of a battle tonight.

  35. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Damn … thought it was end-of-the-bat. What do I know?

  36. Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    According to Latos, that shouldn’t count. Fuck Ludwick.

  37. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    I’m calling that a lucky hack. No way he’s looking for a low curveball to hit out.

  38. max808's avatar max808 said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    WTF? Should have gone with Zitssy.

  39. Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Horseshit pitch from the horse himself.

  40. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Let the hand wringing begin….

  41. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    How do you never throw the outside slider with 2 strikes? Wow … horrible call, horrible execution

  42. Michael's avatar Michael said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    The thing about switching the rotation is that for one of the few times Bochy is saying it’s not business as usual. He’s told Cain he HAS to do it and Zito that he can’t do it. Awful pitches to Gonzales.

  43. alleykat's avatar alleykat said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Brutal!! Pitch was right down Broadway.

  44. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Buzkill hr

  45. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Cain comes up tiny … Zito and Sanchez have to come up big. No one can be too confident in that.

    • wswinb4igo's avatar wswinb4igo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:09 pm

      stfu

  46. Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    2 out bullshit from Cain again. He can’t get the third out. His numbers w/RISP and 2 away are numbing.

  47. Kevin's avatar Kevin said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    they better not get shut out by this clown!!

  48. wswinb4igo's avatar wswinb4igo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    Pawlie try this…

    http://justin.tv/kostaz01

  49. Michael's avatar Michael said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Fruckie didn’t help, either.

  50. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Hit for Cain? Yes I do. You can’t get to the Padres bullpen behind in the game.

    That’s why I’m not a major league manager

    • wswinb4igo's avatar wswinb4igo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:12 pm

      no…you’re just a fuckin joner…

  51. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Good point, Michael … parade of BS. 2 strike hit to the pitcher, Cain doesn’t execute the sneaky DP, Sanchez can’t hold the ball … etc.

  52. Bozo's avatar Bozo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    OK – we just have to do it the hard way.

  53. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Pawlie try this…

  54. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Fuck, have there been some well-hit balls.

    Did I say fuck? Fuck.

  55. Michael's avatar Michael said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Unike last year, it’ a team that can overcome large deficits.

  56. Michael's avatar Michael said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    You’re not going to do shit the other way with that much air under it.

  57. Kevin's avatar Kevin said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    I sure hope so Mike!!

  58. vrrbrcrrr's avatar vrrbrcrrr said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    …Pawlie, try this:

    http://www.justin.tv/b/kostaz01#/w/433083296

    It’s workin’ great.

    • wswinb4igo's avatar wswinb4igo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:21 pm

      that is not the link…..

      • vrrbrcrrr's avatar vrrbrcrrr said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:44 pm

        …it’s working great for me.

  59. alleykat's avatar alleykat said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    That was probably the best and only play of the year from a ball dude.

  60. max808's avatar max808 said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    Cain’s numbers against SD this yr.

    4.05 ERA 1.388 Whip

  61. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    How about if we see how far they can fastballs?

  62. Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    FOX didn’t pay all that money so the entire country could watch Eli Whiteside catch tomorrow.

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:24 pm

      We get Yanks-Bosox here…

      • Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:31 pm

        This screws (should it hold) with my plans for tomorrow. Big days at Belmont and Oak Tree at Hollywood (sounds funny, huh?) as you’re well aware of. No consideration at all I tell ya. No consideration at all.

    • wswinb4igo's avatar wswinb4igo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:28 pm

      most will be watching college football over fox…

  63. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    I don’t know how “crisp” Cain is or isn’t. I know he’s not throwing the same pitches.

  64. San Dog's avatar San Dog said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    I’m starting to wish my TV feed was blacked out.

  65. max808's avatar max808 said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    Funny game. Freaking Noodles Gorzelanny shut these puckers down last night on 3 hits.

  66. TellItGoodbye's avatar TellItGoodbye said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Matt Stairs can hit one pitch. Cain hits his bat.

  67. TedSpe's avatar TedSpe said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    The dude what got 0% love on the Flap’s WillieMAc Award poll is up.
    Feel remorse, people.
    It’s good karma

    • TedSpe's avatar TedSpe said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:33 pm

      Where was the remorse, people?

  68. zumarust's avatar zumarust said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Cain hasn’t had a stinker like this in quite a while. It happens. He’s human.
    It wouldn’t kill Zito to come up big tomorrow and actually pick up his teammate.

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:41 pm

      It would kill his reputation, though…

  69. Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    I didn’t bash Bochy’s lineup prior to the ballgame. I’ll take the Blame

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:40 pm

      Careful, Denny…

      • Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:44 pm

        Maybe I should Fly Down first before I accept any Blame.

      • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:52 pm

        Zito really put him on edge the other morning (46.2 on Saratoga’s training track). Should be much closer than usual., which is a good idea from that cockamamie configuration. Home field advantage over his main comp, too. Like him, DMD…….. 9/2 on the ML.

  70. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    I calculate 48 participants in that poll. Where are they??

  71. Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    If Zito throws well tomorrow and we win, he’ll start Game 3 in Atlanta.
    I’m already looking forward to it.

  72. alleykat's avatar alleykat said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Shit nothing but pain for Cain tonight.

  73. Bozo's avatar Bozo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    “Jane! Stop this crazy thing!”

  74. Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Well, if we have to lose. I’d much rather take it on the chin 10-0 than lose 3-2 on some fucking Eckstein bleeder in the 12th.

    • Bozo's avatar Bozo said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:49 pm

      Yeah Den, but if we win, if we win 10 – 6, with Eckstein looking at his shoes. Now that my friend, would be beautiful.

  75. max808's avatar max808 said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Giants haven’t had a stinker since Aug 28.

    So, Zito gets a chance at some redemption. He should be plenty motivated now. How ironic if he’s the guy that delivers and they win the div.

    • Del Mar Dennis's avatar delmardennis said, on October 1, 2010 at 8:58 pm

      Yeah, Zito kind of owes us one, don’t ya think?
      Something was just missing tonight. The crowd really wasn’t too into it from the gitgo.We need the little fat guy back in there so wee can see all those silly hats in the stands. He really gets’em going.


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