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The best shit ever written here.

1)  ewisco said, on March 4, 2011 at 4:14 pm (Edit)

Rowand sitting on the bench anywhere near Bochy is like having a slutty undead BB sitting near to Flav. No matter what he’s promised himself, you just know he’s going to reach for it . . .

2) Ferret Head said….”Stop hatin’ on my draft, Flav! Just for that I’m gonna have to kick your…er, Somebody’s ass!!! (hee-hee!) I did pretty much the same thing this year, so suck on it!!! Oh yeah, and FUCK BOZO!!!!!”

3) Del Mar Dennis said, on March 21, 2011 at 4:06 pm (Edit)Tickets to the Dodger game: $100

Dodger program, Dodger baseball cap and Dodger souvenir pennant: $ 50
Beer and a couple Dodger Dogs: $20

Having every motherfucking goddamn cock sucking Dodger get drafted on your fantasy team: Priceless

4) Sandawg said, on April 4, 2011 at 9:29 pm(Edit)Good point made by someone earlier about the issue of checking out the blog at work with the BB’s on there. I work at a high school and my screen is easily seen by any kids who are in my office. The BB’s did give me pause about logging on to the site at work during the school day.
….Of course they didn’t actually PREVENT me from logging on at work during the school day, but they did give me pause.
I have this John Wooden pyramid of success book on my desk that our principal wanted all of us to read to get fired up for the school year. It wasn’t really my cup of tea (I’m more of a Pete Newell guy), but it did do a good job of blocking the BB pic when I propped it up against my monitor.

5)  Rough Trade said, on April 8, 2011 at 7:20 am(Edit)

Summer of 1978 I took a job as a beer vendor at the Stick. I was assigned the left field bleachers, because that’s where they put the new guys. No one wanted to work out there because the people couldn’t really afford much beer and that’s where all the fights broke out. Plus, you had to haul your ass up all those stairs to get more beer. But I had a ball, especially when the Dodgers game into town.
Most memorable game was the one Mike Ivie hit a grand slam. It was afternoon game against the Dodgers. I remember working in the upper deck that game, and will never forget stopping to soak it all in as the crowd went nuts. Beer sales were brisk to say the least after that blast.

6) A game of inches
Posted by: Orbofwisdom (Berra’s Bombers) Apr 25 5:38am
Orbo loves all things Molina, my backup catcher had a game last night throwing out a reds stealer and a 3 run first pitch bomb na 6th inning of a naughty(0-0) game.
this is fun as the bombers show a flicker of life.

7)  Xootsuit said, on May 19, 2011 at 10:09 pm(Edit)

Ugh! Noooooo!!!! Yesssssss!!! Alright!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh no not again!!!!!!! Come on now. . . . . Don’t fuck this up. Bum needs the win, not you, Wilson. My lord not again. Nail it down, dammt. Wow. Wow. I don’t believe it. I don’t believe it.

8)  mrmrbill said, on June 6, 2011 at 10:04 pm(Edit)

Giants baseball: not for use by individuals with a history of heart disease or high-blood pressure. May contribute to liver failure. Discontinue use if sudden rash or painful rectal itch develops. May trigger violent outbursts, disassembly of body organs, nervous tics and spousal abuse. Void where prohibited. Batteries not included. Action figures sold separately.


paulinasia said, on July 26, 2011 at 7:51 am

Damn, Craig, since your one-day break from leading the Flap, you’ve had consecutive stellar opening posts. (Not to say your others weren’t…). I’m not necessarily super excited about game 1 as much as I am about the whole series. Phils could come out bombs-away in the first game, but the next two would show who’s in charge as well. Could also go the other way. You are absolutely right, the anticipation is the great drama as things start getting serious now. I’m not big on making predictions, I just would love to see some top-notch games this series, but if I had to predict anything, it would be that our bullpen makes a difference.

You’re also right on about recalling exactly where you were when Wilson struck out Howard. I was visiting the US, in San Fran for a few days but then back east in NJ seeing the folks for a couple of weeks before heading back to Saigon. Field of Dreams scenario, classic Americana, baseball with your Dad … sitting there in neighboring recliners with my 94-year-old father, die-hard Phillies fan for many of his decades, trying hard out of respect to contain my elation with that strike-out. I think all I managed to say was oh…… my…. god….. sorry, Pops.. and then skipped outside to have a smoke and just laugh out loud. My Mom, who emails me often, bless her heart, has already said my dad looks forward to some emailings these next few days, talkin’ baseball. I’m grateful to still have that chance.

10) Brian said, on January 20, 2012 at 6:17 pm (Edit)

Hello, I’m a huge Giants fan and I follow this blog quite a bit but haven’t posted before. However, seeing those names in the retro game of the day line-up, and the pending niner game this Sunday, got me to thinking about Candlestick. Everyone always rips it, but I have nothing but great memories of the place. I grew up in Fresno, and my dad and I (sometimes the whole family) would drive up for games. I always remember the excitement I felt at the point on Hwy 101 north when the stadium first comes into to full view, and you knew you were really close to seeing a big league game. In 1986, if anyone remembers the old Giants tagline slogans, was “you gotta love these kids” or something like that. I got married in the 1990s and lived in Campell. My wife and were both school teachers at the time at had the summers off. We’d drive up to Candlestick, mid-week, tailgate with a charcoal bbq that you were always lucky to get started because of the wind, buy a $5 bleacher seat, and then be in lower box by the 3rd inning and the ushers could care less. And even if you had to sit in the bleachers, it was fun, and you had a good chanced to get a batting practice HR ball if you were there early enough…..Great times. Go Niners!

11)  DJLoo said, on February 6, 2012 at 5:55 pm(Edit)

Anyone ever take a season off? Ignore baseball altogether? Too busy with other things like a chick, or the track, or heavy drugs? I may have had a year or two like that, but for so many years following the Giants was 75% box scores, so it wasn’t that life altering. This year I don’t feel like I can handle 2:00 AM 4-5 nights a week anymore…

12) twinfan1 said, on March 5, 2012 at 6:20 pm(Edit)

Pawlie sent me the Sunday “program” from his church, I was humbled to see that I was among those who are prayed for by the parish. I had some physical therapy Friday and the therapist said I was considered a “miracle man”, I attribute much of my good fortune to the prayers and positive energy from many of you. Thanks again..

13) twinfan1 said, on April 3, 2012 at 6:30 pm(Edit)

A small time scam artist and radio personality named Bob Leonard swindled Billy Martin, Whitey Ford, and Mantle. Sold them “futures” in Canadian bomb shelters. I don’t know how much they invested but it was serious enough that Leonard did five years.He got out and lo and behold- he got Billy again on another scam. I hung out with Leonard a bit on that ’65 road trip I took with the team. Men like Leonard can be interesting, even fascinating. Obviously, he was a good talker- and Billy, Mickey, and Whitey were pretty good targets. I can see Mantle and Ford skeptical in a dumb and dumber kind of way and Billy talking them into it…I think I noted before that my Dad once said that he was maybe the only guy to beat Leonard out of something. Dad borrowed some cuff links and Bob died before they were returned… I think I told a shorter version of this before but I know you’ve all been dying to hear more. In Cleveland Leonard couldn’t get anyone to interview with him, so guess who ended up doing it- yep, me. We talked about some of the young guys- I predicted that young first sacker Rich Reese would go 20-80 in ’66 ;-)

14) snarkk said, on April 19, 2012 at 12:18 pm(Edit)

Perspective is needed re: last night’s game. In today’s territory of massive contracts for less than massive talent, we tend to look for greatness, to seek it out. Impatiently. Yet, greatness should be obvious, it shouldn’t need a search party to find it. Gamer gets his $60 million, so where is the production? Sabathia 7 years for $161. He’s one of the best at earning what he gets, but where are all his epic shutouts and no hitters? Vernon Wells 7 years for $126 (yeah, like Zitoid). Where is THAT production? Justification for unbelievable money is sought, but at these astronomical levels, it cannot be found. So, in last night’s game we find solace in the relative scarcity of the two pitching performances, seeking to claim it as epic. Compared to recent history where managers call in relievers if the starter breaks wind in the 7th, yeah, it was a really good game. Unusual. But, in the longer history of the game, eh, it wasn’t that special. Lee was good, but he gave up 5 hits over 9 frames. There’s been plenty of 4, 5 or 6 hit shutouts the last 50 years. Hundreds. He gave up two hits in the 10th, one to that future HOFer Theriot. Is that epic? No. Of course, Cain’s even better concurrent performance adds to the Duel nature of it, but still, the rarity of the dueling aces in these days says more about how starters are managed, about “saving” arms of starters with huge guaranteed contracts, than anything else. If contracts were not guaranteed, starters obviously would have more chances to duel. In 40 seasons, which game will you remember more — last night’s, or that 3-2 Giant clincher in game 6 of the 2010 NLCS against the same opponent? Dirrty’s meltdown, the bench clearing, Affeldt coming in to stop the bleeding — and I will always remember Uribe’s HR to right that barely cleared the wall in the 8th. I won’t remember the 4 DPs Lee got last night, or Melky’s walk off knock to right. Of course, by then I’ll be dead, too…

15) DJLoo said, on April 19, 2012 at 11:16 am(Edit)

Years ago, before political correctness and you were still allowed to have fun, I worked in the back office of a Wall Street firm in an area that was called “the cage”. I doubt that term is used anymore. Among my fellow workers were several large bespectacled black men. Some were baseball fans – some weren’t. Regardless, every year for 3-4 years on opening day they would line up outside the vault and enthusiastically participate in my annual “Bob Veale Look-Alike Contest”. And Bob Veale was already long gone…

16) twinfan1 said, on April 19, 2012 at 10:29 am(Edit)

There weren’t as many “epic duels” as our imaginations conjure up. Just looking quickly at 1965, Marichal pitched in one 1-0 game ( I’ll call 1-0 the standard for an “epic” duel). It was the first game of the year. He lost to Bob Veale of the Bucs in 10. Pirates won it on former “bonus baby” Bob Bailey’s walk off HR in the bottom of the tenth off Juan. BTW, McCovey called Veale the pitcher he least liked to face. Bob threw close to 100 MPH, wore glasses that looked like coke bottles, and had no idea where the ball was going in the first place. The definition of “scary at bat”. Mac was 0-4 with 2 K’s in that game.

17) Macdog said, on April 21, 2012 at 8:32 pm(Edit)

It was just such a beautiful day outside, the kind that’s perfect for going out to a ballgame, that I wasn’t about to let a tough loss like that bring me down. And since I’m at work most Saturdays, that made going out to a game even more satisfying.

One more little detail. The minute we stepped off the subway I’m getting heckled by an old woman wearing a Rusty Staub jersey. She says something like, “We’re gonna pound the Giants today,” and I’m thinking WTF is this, but can’t help myself and blurt out, “Yeah, just like last night.” At least I didn’t run into her after the game.

18) paulinasia said, on April 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm(Edit)

Now 11:45am Sunday morning in Saigon, 9:45pm Sat. in the Bay Area, and after a loss, Flappers often disappear into that good night by now, so perhaps I’m just talkin’ to myself, but hell, I do that all the time anyway. I hate the fucking Mets. I’ve always hated the fucking Mets. Growing up as a young Jersey boy idolizing the Mantle/Maris Yanks and then those no good newcomers, the Mets? What kind of name is that. The Jets? The Nets? Have you idiots no imagination? All my boyhood friends became Met fans, so obnoxious, especially when they beat Baltimore in ’69, and then of course later in my life living in Boston, watching the Sox cough it up to… the fucking Mets. I still cannot watch a replay of the ball going through Buckner’s legs while Ray Fucking Knight dances around 3rd base to home.

And what weird shit seemingly continues to happen when SF plays the Mets.. bad calls, brain farts deluxe… Benitez double-balking, which mercifully resulted in his release… the grossly incorrect “out” call on Ishi at the plate that one game we should’ve won (and the umpire amazingly stupidly said afterwards something like “well, I was watching the catcher and he gave it a good effort, so I called the runner out”. Huh?). Now Huff acting on years of instinct (so he says) moving the wrong way (yo, dude, my little league coach drummed it into our heads to ALWAYS, before every pitch, envision in your mind what you will do if the ball is hit here, hit there, hit anywhere), and some bad calls at first base, all seemingly going against the Giants, yada yada yada….

Sounds like some rainouts coming, but if they get to play two more, I really really hope Tim and Madbum just grind those shits into the ground, take the series, and get the hell out of the Big Flush. Fucking Mets.

Thanks, I feel better now. Baseball as therapy? How ’bout Flap as therapy for baseball, sometimes…

19) eddacker said, on May 6, 2012 at 10:35 am(Edit)

I have always trusted the season start to be a showcase for those ready to excel. Batters always ahead of pitchers. That is how the season begins.
And now?
The big inning belongs to no one, excepting unexpected ones. Baseball is new again. go figure.

20) blade3colorado said, on June 7, 2012 at 8:42 pm(Edit)

Catching up on some of the articles in the SF Gate and read this . . . “The fans are not booing Barry Zito anymore. On Sunday, they jeered Bruce Bochy for yanking Zito with one out and one on in the ninth inning.”

This captures what “sport” is all about. I love the fact that a player as despised as Barry Zito can achieve redemption . . . even if it’s for a moment, game, season, or hopefully, even longer. Sports movies such as Hoosiers and Rocky illustrate this and that’s why they are so popular.

Damn, I love baseball. Even if you lose, there’s another game tomorrow . . .

21) TedSpe said, on June 12, 2012 at 9:34 am

There is no death for the Flap. There is only a transition to a different sphere of consciousness. The Flap is not like those other it’s with. The Flap is a living presence in their spiritual earthbound plain. They are attracted to the one thing about The Flap that is different from themselves – its lifeforce. It is very strong. It gives off its own illumination. It is a light that implies life and memory of love and home and Mays, McCovey, Bonds, Clark and earthly pleasures, something they desperately desire but can’t have anymore. Right now, The Flap’s the closest thing to that, and that is a terrible distraction from the real LIGHT that has finally come for them. You understand me? These souls, who for whatever reason are not at rest, are also not aware that they have passed on. They’re not part of consciousness as we know it. They linger in a perpetual dreamstate, a nightmare from which they can not awake. Inside the spectral light is salvation, a window to the next plain. They must pass through this membrane where friends are waiting to guide them to new destinies. The Flap must help them cross over, but for now The Flap will only hear Craig’s voice. Now hold on to yourselves… There’s one more thing. A terrible presence is in there with The Flap. So much rage, so much betrayal, I’ve never sensed anything like it. I don’t know what hovers over this blog, but it was strong enough to punch a hole into this world and try to take The Flap away from us. It keeps The Flap very close to it and away from the spectral light. It LIES to oneflapdown77, it tells it things only a Giants fan could understand. It has been using The Flap to restrain the others. To Flavor Nation, it simply IS another Giants fan. To us, it is the BEAST. It is….the depraved denizens of The Splash

22) zumie said, on June 13, 2012 at 11:25 pm(Edit)

Interesting to compare to J. Sanchez’s game. Both had a great play in the outfield, and both had a tricky play at thirdbase. In Sanchez’s game, Uribe made the decision to go for the do-or-die short-hop, and it didn’t work out; and Arias chose to back up on his play. I thought his play was going to be closer than that, but it turns out he threw him out with plenty to spare. Congrats to the Cainer. Everybody wanted it so bad for him. Everybody appreciates all this guy has done for the Giants over the years, and the steady presence he’s been for the team, and he’s basically still a young player.
And nice call, BF! There’s just something special about the Flap. From the time you started this blog, it just seems like it’s something meant to be, and it coincides with so much success from the Giants. All these longtime Giants fans from around the world needed a place to come together and share their experiences and these good times.

23) TedSpe said, on July 10, 2012 at 2:39 pm(Edit)

The Flap can’t close down. Sometimes it’s all I have.
My life has been pretty shitty lately. A few months back, as an upwards career move, my girlfriend decided to move to San Jose. That may not seem too far but now all she does is work, go home, eat dinner and go to sleep. She doesn’t have time to even talk on the phone any more. So that’s basically over. My new job’s becoming overwhelming to the point I’m not sure I can function. People have been quitting left and right, they don’t get replaced because the new CEO has made HUGE budget cuts and they’ve been dumping some of these duties on me. And I’ve got Federal examiners coming later this month and I KNOW they’re going to find a bunch of shit to criticize because I’m always playing catch-up. Last night I went out drinking with some friends. When I got home I popped on a DVD and fell asleep in front of the T.V. This is one of those DVDs that when the movie’s over, the DVD just keeps running with the theme song playing over and over and over again until you actually shut it off. So there I am, passed out and apparently the TV was on too loud. Two of my neighbors at the apartment made written complaints to the apartment manager this morning and she called me to tell me that she’s going to start eviction proceedings if there’s ever another complaint about me. And I’ve been living there for 20 years!!?? And this is the first moment I’ve had to even get a chance to post here I think since Sunday. At least it feels that way.
Hopefully this will make some of you guys feel better. A chance for a little Schadenfreude. But no, please don’t shut the Flap down.

24) eddacker said, on July 22, 2012 at 12:37 pm (Edit)

[knocking, a slit in the door opens]
“Is this the Cult of Nate?” “My name is eddacker and Berger sent me”

25) DJLoo said, on September 1, 2012 at 9:15 pm(Edit)

In the bar a few hours ago somebody played the song that Wilson & Cody did the video of with the kid with the glasses. I looked up at the TV screen and Andres was batting for the Mets in the 9th. I started crying…

26) TedSpe said, on September 12, 2012 at 9:05 pm(Edit)

Sung to the tune of “Love and Marriage”:

Dodgers losing, Dodgers losing
Makes ya think about Lasorda snoozing
This I’ll tell ya,yooooou bu..uh.uhms
Ya can’t just win the West with just a…..
A shitload of money poured in on a bunch of fucking mediocre fuckheads anyway with just HamRam or whatever the fuck his name is but the rest of it was just a joke and you can kiss my ass and smile with your shit eating grin and go fuck yourselves and goodnight nurse Magic Johnson and all the rest of you La La Land fuckheads what annoy me to no end and…end…

27) snarkk said, on September 22, 2012 at 11:41 pm (Edit)

Congrats to the Giants on a great stretch drive and division win.
I’ve been out all night on top of Mt. Diablo with the Snarkettes and friends, looking at the stars through some cool telescopes. Listening to the game on the Walkman as I looked at the M13 star cluster, I heard the clinching out hit to Pagan. I walked over and looked across the Bay from 3200 feet up, and could see the bright outline of ATT, glowing like the Ring Nebula. And more stars inside…

28) PawlieKokonuts said, on October 24, 2012 at 10:44 pm

I can’t say much. I’m spent. Overwhelmed. But let me say this much: Today was a day I wrung joy out of every morsel and molecule of my Life. Greetings to Blade’s aunt. Breakfast at the Crepevine in the Sunset District. Lunch w/ TedSpe. Meet with Magnus and survey the AT&T demesne, and its lambent waters, like Roman kings. Meet Micah and his dad, Joe, on Micah’s birthday. And, hours later when the recording of Tony Bennett’s anthem played at AT&T Park I sat *alone* on a mostly empty row of metallic bleachers in Section B142, Row 28, bowed my head, covered my face, and rocked my universe with grateful sobs.

29) Bozo said, on November 12, 2012 at 4:57 pm(Edit)

One of my most favorite things that the Giants ever gave me was a print that had replica tickets (with my own seat numbers) for the last game at the Stick and the First at Pac Bell. The last game in 92 I cried and cheered that team on the final day. The team was kind of dazed and after realizing the team was going to move and yet the fans were giving them a standing O, did the first lap around the field that I can remember. The fact that they stayed made that 93 season so magical for me (well that and winning 103 games). The last game at the the Stick where they flew Home Plate to Pac Bell – unbelievable. My buddy Stan (grounds crew at the time) running out to LF to pull down the number one (days until they moved) FANTASTIC. Oh yeah, the game after it was reported that the Magowan group had bought the team, Magowan came into the stadium with a standing O for him.

Z – You brought tears to my eyes just bringing up that time.


JBat said, on November 13, 2012 at 8:38 pm (Edit)
I just wanted to throw out my two bits on the Affeldt signing. I DVR’d all four games of the Series and have watched each a couple of times now, just to break down the games without the stress of watching them live. For any questions about Affeldt’s worth to the team, just watch the 8th inning of game 4 a few times. Utter domination, and as filthy a left hander as I’ve seen al year. Leadoff walk to Garcia, then a 3 pitch SO of Cabrera, otherwise known as Superman, a 4 pitch K of Fielder with one breaking ball just jelly-legged big Prince then blowing a heater by him, then coming out in the 9th and fanning Dirks for his 4th straight K before getting Peralta on a well-struck fly ball.

His breaking pitch can only be described as filthy and his fastball was just jumping on the hitters. That night at least, Jeremy was untouchable. A lefty like that is a valuable commodity coming out of the pen. Like all the guys on the staff, he’s a bulldog and I love that about our pitchers. No more Sean Estes or Atlee Hammaker head cases, just pure fire.

I think 2 years would have been a more sensible plan for the G’s, but the guy has been a valuable piece of 2 WS winning teams. I can live with the signing and be happy about it.

Watching the games again just makes one thing clear; this is a great team, regardless of what all the east coast idiots say. They’ve killed the Rangers and now they’ve killed the Tigers and, frankly, they’ve made it look easy. What a stunning turnaround for a franchise that for the longest time was identified with playoff heartbreak.

P.S. One of my favorite moments in the Series, Theriot singling in the top of the 10th in game 4, then coming around to score on Scutaro’s single. He didn’t play much in the playoffs but he’ll always be the guy that scored the Series-winning run. So much contribution from so many guys.

31) dirtnrocksnomo said, on November 22, 2012 at 9:42 am(Edit)

Thanks Craig. For all the Flappers he’s referring to my wife having a bun in the oven. Yep, I knocked her up again. With our move back to California, change of jobs and general craziness of life being unsettled, 2012 has been a hectic year for us and it isn’t even over. We are so happy for this news and my heart is swollen in anticipation of an addition to our family this spring. In a strange demented way you guys are all like family to me to and I wish you and yours a happy thanksgiving.

32) paulinasia said, on December 8, 2012 at 7:16 pm(Edit)

I’m sure at some point between now and opening day 2013, someone at ESPN or MLB.com will compare the Giants and Dodgers, “on paper”, position by position, and come to the conclusion that LA will run away with the West. But obviously there’s one problem with “having an All Star at every position” — that just makes it an All Star team, not a real team that plays for each other over a very long season. Greinke certainly makes LA’s rotation that much better, but I like the competition that arises. Didn’t Vogelsong match up against Kershaw a few times last season and won every time? We can do that…. makes beating the Dogs even more satisfying. Detroit was dead in the water when Pablo hit 2 HRs of of Verlander. Yep, we can do that…


paulinasia said, on January 9, 2013 at 8:47 pm(Edit)

Who goes to the Hall of Fame? Any of you ever go as adults? I went once, as a starry-eyed 8 year old, when the world and baseball were both pure in my innocent eyes. No one, except kids, can believe that baseball is pure and untainted, because it’s not, just like everything else. For the writers to be trying to “bring back” purity and “integrity” to the game with this vote, it just deepens and extends the denial and hypocrisy and delays any true reckoning that fans really will have to come to terms with about “cheaters” in baseball. If any of those writers ever voted for Bonds as MVP (7 times, no less) or Clemens for the Cy (7 times, no less), then they’re just masturbating their own self-righteous egos and relegating the Hall to a joke. “I was for Bonds/Clemens MVP/Cy Young before I was against them”… “I’m shocked, shocked! to find out there’s cheating in this establishment of baseball”… sheesh.


xoot said, on January 24, 2013 at 8:07 am(Edit)

Barry Bonds has provided me with a challenging set of issues to translate. What the fuck can you do but look at the problem as an opportunity? After the BALCO revelations my older kid decided to stop wearing his home 25 jersey around the East Bay. Just too much trouble. He was still ready to get into it with anyone who insulted Barry, however. His younger brother was more reserved. He just didn’t understand how Barry seemed to go from hero to villain overnight.

If I’ve told this part of the story before, I’m sorry. That first Halloween after the indictment I talked to the little guy about the costume he had to put together for the “parade” at school and for his nighttime stroll around the block. I wanted to keep it simple, and when he understood my idea, he was in. He would wear one of his Giants hats and his brother’s old 25 jersey. He said everything went fine at school. His Giants-fan teachers liked the costume. It was easy to put on and take off, and so forth. That night I went around with the other parents in the neighborhood and watched the kids go up to front porches to get candy. My kid looked like a penguin in a bathrobe as he went down the walkways. The jersey nearly reached the ground; the sleeves stopped just short of his wrists. That sight alone was sort of amusing. For a while I was too far away to hear his conversations with the people giving out cand, but he was getting some laughs so I figured he was doing ok. Then the kids approached a front porch close to the curb. The man at the door said, Cool, a Giant. Who are you, Willie Mays? Tim Lincecum? Turn around. When he saw the back of the jersey, he pretended to be outraged. Whoa! Barry Bonds? No, said my kid clearly, I’m Barry Bonds without steroids. It took a moment. Then the guy laughed hard and looked toward the interior of his house, yelling: Come here, come here! You’ve got to see this. Barry Bonds without steroids!

35) DJLoo said, on February 9, 2013 at 3:44 pm(Edit)

I’ve noticed something in the last few months that you guys out on the West coast who live among Giant fans may not necessarily have experienced. You gotta remember as a Giant fan I’m all alone here – at least in the immediate neighborhood. I’m well known for it. Anyway, ever since championship # 2 when I wear my Giant stuff (almost every day) I actually feel like fuckin’ royalty – almost God-like – almost 5 feet tall. Doesn’t matter if it’s a jacket, a hoodie, or just a couple of pins. I feel like I personally achieved something special that took me almost half a century to earn. And the people who know me know it and they respect it. I can feel it and I see it in their eyes. After the first one in 2010, it was like the little maniac finally got lucky just once. People were genuinely happy for me. (I’m quite popular) It’s different since the second one. Now I can just put on a pair of black mittens with that spectacular orange SF logo and I fuckin’ own everything – like I knew something all along that they didn’t. I could only imagine how the team and members of the organization must feel.

36) xoot said, on March 3, 2013 at 7:35 pm(Edit)

I still have the last glove I bought in Alaska, when I played in the SB leagues there in 91. Naturally enough, I hadn’t packed a mitt when I left Calif. Those people in Anchorage play 24/7 in May and June, and they have many many fields. Lot of fun. I am attached to that glove. But buying gloves over the years for my kids was the best. My younger son, who made his way onto all star and traveling teams, really hit the prize. He deserved it. I remember going into West Coast Sporting Goods and telling the guy — show us your best. He laid about five gloves on the counter. I really liked the kangaroo skin number. Seemed perfect for a middle IF. But the kid wanted top of the line — a pro-style Wilson with the fancy laces that were just starting to show up on nat’l tv broadcasts. Turned out to be a great glove, after we broke it in and had a knowledgeable trainer tighten all of those complicated laces.

I’ve never been a camera buff. But I have all the gloves my kids out grew as they played up through the leagues. A glove is worth a million words.


twinfan1 said, on April 18, 2013 at 5:59 pm(Edit)

Last year had the most dramatic postseason of the two here but no championship will ever top 2010 for me- and I include those by the Bucs in 1960 and the Twin’s titles. 1960 would probably be the choice but really I
wasn’t old enough to truly appreciate it. No game is better suited for us old(er) farts than baseball. Mazeroski’s HR was *exciting* 5 decades ago, today it’s historic, if you understand what I mean. So it’s with those decades behind me that the true uniqueness of 2010 becomes that much more to savor- using a Packer analogy- the 2010 Giants were more Chuck Mercein than Paul Hornung…the pitching will always be what the scribes will write about but the heart of that team were those misfits- a “washed up” Burrell, born again Uribe, the unlikely brilliance of Vungo, the maligned Renteria, Freddie with his only chance to shine-and he glittered, Huff putting it all together just for us and never again, Ishi, Nate, Ross- the guy we didn’t want-… that title was about those guys, men who somehow were better when it counted than they ever were before and would ever be again. That was truly special, a championship dedicated to the thousands of players who had just a cup of coffee, a title for the Phil Nastu’s who played the game…


zumiee said, on May 15, 2013 at 5:35 pm(Edit)

Tonight’s game makes me want to reach around to my remote control, and blow off the game, because the score is too much to swallow.


snarkk said, on June 29, 2013 at 8:17 pm(Edit)

I spent an eye opening 12 hours on a summer night train once from Bordeaux to Madrid, over San Sebastian. In my compartment was a 21 year old french guy and a 40 something S. African woman. Let’s just say that these Strangers on a Train became close friends as the Spanish train tracks got bumpier and as the hot Spanish night wore on. Next early morning upon arrival in Madrid central station, like a Euro movie, they parted ways like the strangers they had been 12 hours before…


xoot said, on July 6, 2013 at 9:40 am(Edit)

Aren’t you really asking what does it mean to be a fan? Age-old question. It’s like asking what does it mean to be a parent or spouse or friend. Everyone has a slightly different take, and some arbitrary and capricious assumptions can develop, but deep down we all know what we’ve agreed to. Loyalty to the team fighting to win, even when they lose and lose a lot, is essential. I’m not sure how that virtue relates to our own lives, our own fights; or maybe I just can’t articulate it. But elite sports offer more than entertainment. If you’re really aware of a team’s day-in-day-out successes and failures, and if you really care, the seasons, even the off seasons, provide a sort of essential counterpoint to your own life. Or so it seems to me. I think it’s understandable that a few seasons of absolute triumph have changed the way we’re experiencing this disaster of a first half now.

We are experiencing it, though. No doubt about that.


twinfan1 said, on July 22, 2013 at 5:46 pm(Edit)

As I have acknowledged in the past, and as my predictions show, I am not perfect. I realize now that I have made some mistakes. I am willing to accept the consequences of those actions. This situation has taken a toll on me and my entire family, and it is has been a distraction to Zeke and Mickey, as well. I am very grateful for the support I have received from customers, bloggers, and most of the neighbors (Get over it, Winnie). Finally, I wish to apologize to anyone I may have disappointed – and they are legion. I am glad to have this matter behind me once and for all, my recipe for the batter for perfect pan fried chicken should have read TWO TEASPOONS black pepper, not two CUPS…now please, can it with the hate mail, it was an honest mistake…

42) paulinasia said, on August 1, 2013 at 5:12 pm(Edit)

Sadly kind of agree with Craig’s comment about this team just not being hungry for it this year, once they got down to the bottom.. just requires too much effort and luck to get back to the top again. In my pre-season picks (which are still meaningless with many games left to play), I picked the Giants to finish 2nd to the Dodgers and get a wildcard berth. IMO, there’s no catching the Dodgers, who ARE hungry to win and obviously have the talent to do so, and the Giants are even further out of the wildcard than they are behind LA. I would not be too depressed about not making it this year if they actually play fairly well the rest of the way and do come out hungrier next year, and I do think we’ll see some good baseball the rest of the way.

As for the stats discussions here, and what caused the free-fall, stats do not (IMO) explain the free-fall, especially the talk about the pitchers being the reason the team is out of it, since the team was still winning when the pitching was sucking through mid-May, and the team has been losing since the team stopped hitting around the time Pagan went down. If I had to pick one critical point, that would indeed be it, as some others here say while others disagree. Pagan went down, so did the team. Intangibles ARE meaningful. Two years ago, go figure the team starting to completely suck when Beltran joined the team. These guys are humans, not machines… they’re more *analog* than digital. Stats are digital and only represent something that has already happened on the field. Well, everyone is searching for a reason for this season. The Vietnamese have a saying… “po tay”… means, hands are tied, nothing we can do. So we look for reasons, and individually we find one that suits our point of view. And we just continue to watch and hope to see some life in these guys. I’m guessing the players themselves realize it’s all on them, and hopefully they’ll show some pride and spunk these last couple of months. In the end, we all just still want to be proud to be Giants fans and have some reason to continue our knowing nodding.


43) zumiee said, on October 16, 2013 at 6:02 pm(Edit)

I have this vision that, in the future, we’ll all be able to download our minds and personalities directly into the Flap, so that we can debate baseball for a billion years into the future, until the sun’s loss of mass causes it to expand and burn up the Earth, leaving the Earth a frozen piece of charcoal floating through space.
Right before that happens, the Flap can be downloaded into some kind of space probe and sent into other galaxies, where aliens with 8 legs can be taught baseball and what OPS means.
It’s a truly grand vision.


44) stixwiz said, on November 16, 2013 at 3:29 pm(Edit)

Early April of ’61 was anything but classical baseball weather when Dad took my younger brother and me to the very first Twins game at Metropolitan Stadium. Temp was in the upper 30′s or so, skies were overcast and there was a brisk wind amidst all the grey. But the toughest part was standing in the ticket line. When Pedro Ramos took the mound the mood was “take me out to the ballgame” and all else was forgotten ~ particularly when the Twins walked off the field with a “W”.

Times change and so has Minnesota weather. Sour days in early April are rarities nowadays, though hardly unknown. Up here in the great Northwoods, beyond even, the source of the Mississippi, we had a balmy, sunny 48 degrees yesterday and we lost all our inch or so of snow which had arrived over the previous weekend. Today, it was just a few degrees cooler, winds light and variable, sunny off and on and quite adequate for baseball and paradisical for football.

California, like the rest of the Coast, will soon be “blessed” by the plume of radioactivated water from Fuck You Shima. I wouldn’t touch Alaskan salmon any more with a ten foot dildo. All that fun stuff is seeping broadly into the pacific and unseen particles are wafting beyond the Sierras and the Rockies to join up with chemtrail central spreading all across the fruited plain. I would not care to be five years old right about now but do find it comforting to bee ess about baseball and the other finer things of life.

45) twinfan1 said, on November 19, 2013 at 12:30 am(Edit)

Lizzie, Cristy, Karen, Linda, Deb, Cynthia.. these are the women at my grocery store. They’ve all been there as long as I’ve been here. They know me, they’ve seen me when I was well and they’ve seen me when my hair fell out, seen me when I walked in and when I’ve been wheeled in. They’ve seen the paramedics take Merna away, and when they drove me away. When I weighed 200, when I weighed 120. When I had to point to the vegetable I wanted. Christy has cleaned my house, she’s brought me wood. Lizzie has brought our groceries home. Deb has brought preserves and delicious little buns. They’ve packed my food basket for me and put in my lap for my ride home in the scooter. They’ve cried for us when it was dark and laughed with us when the sun came back out. I’m telling you all of this because Cynthia did a nice thing for me today and it made me laugh. And because I’ll never see a young girl again, one who was “all that” and more than all that. She didn’t die- not that I know of, she’s just gone away and thinking of these wonderful young women makes me feel a little better. I love to see them, they remind me of what love is all about and why that even when life just seems, just seems SO hard, there are beautiful people who will make you want to go on just to see them smile and hope it’s because they’re happy to see you, too.
As you all probably saw, Zumiee and I had some contentious exchanges and I think you should know that he’ll be back soon and we’ve hit the “reset button” on our blog relationship. He’s such a valuable part of this community that I was delighted to find that he agreed with me to start over. But first I have to take a break myself, for the last several days, (weeks?) I’ve been posting all over the WWW like I had to store words for the winter. You guys deserve a break, the prizes have all been delivered- so I think I’ll spend a little more time by the pond-which is crystal clear this time of year, watching the fish dart about before they get ready to hibernate for the winter is a lovely way to spend some time after yelling at the paperboy-again. The fish have been trained long ago to swim to the pond’s edge when I tap my fingers on the water and they eat from my hand. Quite delightful. See ya later.

46. Bozo said, on December 9, 2013 at 11:11 am(Edit)

So many memories of the Stick, good, bad and ugly. Oh yeah, and a lot of weird. Who could forget Little Joe’s home run. Or how about Scott Garrelt’s first start where he loaded the bases (hit the batters or walked them) for the first couple of innings until fans started yelling “Don’t walk him, hit him” or the infamous “Beam him up Scotty” chant, from the 2,000 or so people there that night. Raining baseballs against the Braves, the 84 All-Star game, the 89 earthquake. Little Joe behind me in line to get a polish dog before a broadcast, Jerry Brown pointing at my band tee shirt and asking “What’s that?” and my smartass reply “It’s a tee shirt Jerr”. That last game in 92 when we thought the Giants were leaving SF, the final game before moving to the new yard. Many football games, Montana’s last as a 9er against the Lions (I think it was Charlie Garner, after catching a TD pass said “Hey, that guy is pretty good”), the Ditka gum game, a SFPD friend telling me to go out the back door of the Hobrau and back to me seat so he didn’t have to bust me. Passing out in the Stadium club while the Stones were playing, blah, blah, blah.

I was happy when the Giants moved, hell I bought in before they laid the first bricks, but I’m one of those weirdos that really did love that strange world called Candlestick Park.

47. WilcoJoe said, on April 10, 2014 at 7:32 pm(Edit)

I never understood those who complain that the game is too long…Baseball is my escape from reality. So if that means I don’t have to take out the trash or change a diaper for four hours, so fucking be it. Kind of like when I play golf, except I play fast and I despise slow golfers. However, if I finish in 3 and a half hours, that just means more time I can spend at the nineteenth hole.


snarkk said, on May 21, 2014 at 3:10 pm(Edit)

The real humidor procedure at Coors:

1. Each shipment of baseballs received is immediately put into a closed room off of the Rockies training area.
There, in the middle of the night, the shipment is split in half by two Rockies employees into separate bins named “Rockies” and “Chumps”.
2. The balls in the Chumps bin are all stamped with a UV/black light stamp entitled “Fuck U” that can only be seen under black light. The balls in the Rockies bin are not touched.
3. All balls are then brought into the humidor. Rockies balls are placed on the top rack, the “Fuck U” balls are placed underneath on the second rack. This occurs the same way on the other two racks in the humidor.
4. On the day of a night game, or night before a day game, Rockies employees take half of the expected balls needed for the game from the Rockies rack, and put them in several ovens in back of the concession area at 165 degrees for four hours. The baked Rockies balls are then cooled and returned to the humidor room for the mud treatment, which is applied at the same time to the other half of the game balls taken from the racks with the Chumps balls. For Giants’ series only, before the mud treatment, the half from the Chumps balls are thrown in the Rockies training room jacuzzis for a half hour soak, then toweled off and returned to the humidor.
5. Before game time, Rockies employees put the baked Rockies balls into regular ball bags, and soaked Chumps balls into regular ball bags that also have an invisible UV/Black light stamp. The employees have a small black light embedded in the bill of their caps, which MLB auditors cannot see even if they witness the balls being loaded into the ball bags.
6. Using the UV/black light ID process and their special caps, the Rockies employees make sure that the Chumps ball bags and balls are given to the bat boys so that they give them to the home plate umpire during the half inning in which the opposition bats.
7. There may be overlap between half innings and ball bags where the Rockies employees can’t switch bags and balls, but in most cases, the Rockies are hitting the oven-treated Rockies balls, and the opposition Chumps are hitting the jacuzzied “Fuck U” balls…


snarkk said, on June 23, 2014 at 11:15 pm(Edit)

James, I don’t know how we got to team chemistry and coding software, but OK, whatever. One can reduce a lot of human endeavor to statistics, and baseball surely is susceptible of that for analytical purposes. I’ve got an appreciation for stats in baseball, but not to the point where the big picture of stats renders secondary, for me, the drama of the game itself and the humans playing it. My point being, the main reason I enjoy baseball is the human part of it, the human story told daily over the 162. The story of the individuals and of their team, their failures, their successes, and my own perceptions of how that story unfolds. The daily baseball journey is what has kept my interest and love of the game for 45+ years as a fan, not the inexorable development of new statistical metrics that seem to be developed just because they can be — with all the game’s observational advancements we’ve made.

When I was a kid, Apollo 8 reached the moon and first came around it in lunar orbit at Christmas 1968. The astronauts communicated back the first photos in human history, taken by humans, of Earthrise above the moon’s surface. http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/features/bm_gallery_4.html One could reduce that iconic, historic moment to appreciating the big picture combination of mathematics and engineering know how of NASA that pulled that feat off. Fair enough. Or, one could do what the astronauts did. In their own anecdotal bullshit moment, they marveled at and were humbled by their humanity and all of ours — living back on that beautiful blue orb floating in the cold, black desolation of space…


SanDawg said, on July 21, 2014 at 11:31 pm(Edit)

When I was playing high school basketball, we played a game somewhere up in the foothills and stopped at an A&W afterward in Jackson, I believe. I always wanted one of those bad ass mugs, so I stuck mine in my bag after polishing off the root beer. Someone ratted me out and the head coach pulled me aside for a talking-to. I felt like crap, but he handled it real well. Everyone was on the bus except for me and him. He lectured me a bit and then said he was going to leave it up to me to do what I thought was best with the mug-he said he wasnt gonna check my bag later. He then got on the bus. I returned the mug. That whole deal made quite an impression on me and I did less stupid shit like that from that day forward.


twinfan1 said, on October 3, 2014 at 8:37 am(Edit)

I wrote this yesterday, it seems in line with the tenor of this mornings comments. BTW, Steve and Paul- where may I find your Fountain of Youth, you guys look great…

“We’ve all come about our love for baseball in our own ways. I loved it as a boy and playing it made it even better. Then for many years it was a sometime diversion as my work took 12-16 hours of my day. I had season tickets for over 3 decades but my friends and customers went more than I did. Baseball as the National Pastime is a thing of the past- life is faster now, so much is available with a click and a tweet. I liken baseball to the foods of the Shaker women- the cuisine was in their heads and hearts, not put to paper. It was up to the food historians and writers like Ronald Johnson to find what was in their hearts and preserve it for today. And so it is up to those of us who remember the game of our youth, to pass along to a new generation the joy of baseball when it was the game that little boys dreamt of, when small towns were abuzz as the World Series approached and *everyone* wanted to see the powerful Yanks humbled.
Which brings me to today. I rediscovered the game when I grew older and my health deteriorated. I became a NUT, a FANBOY-and miraculously became a young boy again. I often dream of the game, I remember the players of my youth in Pittsburgh. For years I had remembered what we now call a “walk off”. A player named Johnny Powers hit one of his few home runs into the teeth of a strong wind and raised his arms high into the air as he soaked in the cheers. It wasn’t until many years later that I found out that it wasn’t Powers, it was Bob Skinner. And then I realized that it didn’t matter, what mattered was that it made me recall what the game once was and I why I loved it as a boy and now again in my older years. It slows life down, it’s a game that you can savor as you savor a fine wine or a walk in the woods, a doze in a hammock, it’s a game that makes us realize that life is to be enjoyed slowly -as it passes by all too soon.”


DJLoo said, on December 19, 2014 at 6:10 pm(Edit)

Happy 79th to Tony Taylor, a childhood favorite of mine. In 1961, he went 100 for 400, a perfect .250.
I wonder if anyone else ever did that? Or if anyone ever went 200 for 600? Doubt it.
I learned math from baseball cards.


SanDawg said, on January 11, 2015 at 7:47 pm(Edit)

As an added bonus for reading my NCAA FB take above, I’m going to give you my nighttime cold recipe as I’m fighting a helluva head cold at the moment:

1. Around 8 pm, pour yourself a strong bourbon-based cocktail. Snarrk and James will give me crap, but I’m partial to 2 ounces of bourbon mixed with about twice that of club soda with a dash of grenadine added. I think I am going to call that drink “The SanDawg.”
2. After consuming that cocktail, throw down a strong shot of Ny-Quil.
3. Go take a hot as heck shower or bath, and sip a cold beer while doing so.
4. Brush teeth and hit the hay. Prepare to go about 20,000 Leagues deep and wake up a new man in the morning.
5. Repeat as needed.


pawliekokonuts said, on April 13, 2015 at 6:43 pm(Edit)

I submitted this to Bardball.com today. (Yeah, missing David Huff, Tyler Colvin, and a few others. So sue me.)


From the late-night Belt
To the Ishikawa blast
(Leaving Matheny aghast)
From the Reverend Pence
Splat against the wall
Tongue lolling
To the champagne dance
We are LOLing
Champions together

We might be Giants
Say Hey!
A three-ring cirque du soleil
With a dollop of brouillard
(That’s French for fog)
We go yard; we play hard
Cue Tonny Bennett

We’ve got Brandons galore
(Crawford, Hicks, and Belt)
(And even a Dan — aaargh — Uggla)
An Angel-ic Pagán
And Morse Code tapping SOS and more!
Game-tying crash
Glove wizards Perez and Blanco
White Shark speeding, sailing, soaring
We are Champions
Hashtag World Series
Even years we adore

We are Giants
Golden Gated
By Bums we are hated
Eight titles, calculated
Add them, elated
(Three, belated)
Call them banners or flags
Call them rings
Making our heartstrings sing
Demons exorcised
Passions exercised

It is the dawning
Of the Age of J. Arias
And LOOGY Lopez too
Lincecum and Cain and Machi
Stricken Strickland
Adrianza, Susac, and Sanchez, true
Don’t forget Romo of Sergio
Or long-man Petit
Nor Affeldt, rock-steady Jeremy
Or Duffy speeding homeward
And Posey, our Buster,
Batterymate anchor, aweigh
Awaiting The Hug

We are guitar-pickin’, smart-pitchin’ Peavy
Gutsy Gutierrez, strong Vogelsong
Stoic saver Casilla
Cagey Hudson navigating age with grace
Madison Bumgarner, ace of aces
Big Country
Starter, saver, savior
Backed by The Flip
Panik to Crawford
Saving Game 7
Striking icons of history
Hoisting trophy and treasure

Bochy the maestro
Baer and Sabean
Flannery, Kelly, Meulens
Righetti and Ron
And all the rest
Named and unnamed
We are Giants
Panda falling backward into eternity
Parading into paradise


Isn’t baseball glorious? Spontaneous, surprising, and totally predictable!

We want wins but what we’re really paying for is theatre.
Triumphal or comedic or tragic.
Being frank about it: Tragedy is easier to take after a year or two of being triumphant.
Somewhere deep down we love the pain. We need the pain. We need the play.

We have a castle to defend (AT&T).
We have heroes (Buster) and villains (Pablo).
We have a fearless leader (Bochy) and a knight riding in on his horse (Bum).
Are you kidding me? Who else has that?!

It’s an odd year.
Why spend? We eat it up anyway.
The Giants know that.
Baseball knows that.

Who do you recognize from the 2010 team today?
How about 2012?
Heck … who do you recognize on the field today?

Dang, dude … they got us where they want us.

We’ll learn from our losses, regroup, and win tomorrow.

“How can you not be romantic about baseball.” – Moneyball

Go Giants.


Carstie Clausen said, on July 13, 2015 at 8:22 am(Edit)

Baseball has nothing over the NFL when it comes to spectacle. That “sport” is made for television. It is so reminiscent of the latter days of Ancient Rome with its gladiatorial contests complete with wildly gesticulating half-drunken crowds and guys getting carried off the field on stretchers. At least the “gladiators” are only badly injured and not thumbs down dispatched in a grisly ending. Oh well, give it a few years and a deepening corruption in our society and maybe the echoing will be more to the liking of the more quickly sated of the fans.

Baseball contrarily, is not so much spectacle as it is poetry in motion ~ slow motion and far too slow for the many contemporary Americans who have like totally grown up into faux adulthood knowing nothing more than the dubious pleasures of instant gratification. When you consider the geometry of the diamond and the balance between defense and offense and the million and fourteen different nuances and subtleties peculiar to the sport, baseball becomes a multidimensional chess match, an amazing synthesis of ballet at its finest and Herman Hesse’s Glass Bead Game.

Baseball is a spectator sport ~ even if over the radio or the internet. It is not spectacular and closely calculated to guzzle and gorge. Baseball is perhaps the highest emanation of the deepest strains of true American culture. It is NOT a spectacle.


snarkk said, on August 27, 2015 at 9:40 pm(Edit)

Ya know, like others, I was a Giants fan for decades without a championship. Not one. I slogged through multiple dark ages, because #1, I loved baseball, and #2, I loved my team and held out hope that someday, sometime, we could finally grab the brass ring. Now, 3 brass rings later, getting that brass ring is no longer the main thing about following this squad. The brass rings have freed me to go back to enjoying the ups, the downs, the ins, the outs, the old players and the new kids, making their own baseball stories. Like “Specs”. This kid had no shot this year without a injury train of epic length hitting the big squad. Yet, that happened. So, here he is, making a great story for the day that zum witnessed on behalf of us all. The Giants have been clobbered by injuries so far, and because of that they may not win it all this time, may not even make the playoffs. But, their run through this season remains enjoyable to witness and be a part of — because the game itself is still the thing, just like it ever was…


alleykat69 said, on December 11, 2015 at 11:35 pm (Edit)
BF…I’m drunk as skink and its still I believe it’s Friday night but never think the Dubs will lose baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ewisco said, on December 11, 2015 at 11:58 pm (Edit)
what he said.


willedav said, on April 18, 2016 at 8:32 pm (Edit)

Lucky Lager was 1.25 a six and they had the riddles on the cap in ’72 when I could buy them legally here.


Paul Sorensen said, on April 25, 2016 at 6:46 pm (Edit)

My Dad (who died exactly one year ago today….) was an older Dad too, 40 years older than me. I do remember the occasional catch on the front lawn, and have some fond memories of him taking me to the games, from my very first game (Yankee Stadium in ’61 as a young boy) to the last time when I was a teenager and not into hanging with the parents at all anymore when he convinced me to go one more time with him, to Shea because the Braves were in town and it would probably be a last chance to see Aaron play (he hit a homer that game, no less). Mostly in his later years, just a lot of watching it on the tube when I’d visit the ‘rents. Watched him go thru many stages of anguish about his Phils. Was visiting them in 2010 and watching with him when Wilson struck out Howard. I had to go outside the house to rejoice at the sky, didn’t want to rub it in….. Miss my Pops every day.


James said, on June 30, 2016 at 8:15 pm (Edit)

I’m still waiting for someone to glide into second base and point their index finger downwards.


sandog said, on July 6, 2016 at 6:48 pm (Edit)

Some of you may recall the tales of my 2000 Ford Windstar that has 195,000 miles on it and all the battle scars that come with raising 3 kids and also using that sucker as my hauling and camping vehicle. I mentioned a while back that a spider had set up shot under the glass (I actually saw it moving around in there) and spun a web that rendered the speedometer inoperable. Not really a problem, as I’m a chill driver and mostly hang out in the slower lanes. But tomorrow, my daughter and I are taking the van up to northern cal and she drives like Danica Freaking Patrick. So, I told myself I need to remedy that speedometer situation so I can keep her in check. Side note: some of you dads can relate I’m sure, but it ain’t easy turning over the wheel to your kids in situations like this, but I personally think its important to get them a lot of supervised driving miles and show them you have confidence in them. Anyhoo, I did some googling and found advice about crawling under the dash and unscrewing this and releasing that to get under the glass. I’m too big and impatient for that nonsense, so I fixed it SanDawg-style. First, I sent to the .99 store and bought a pack of pipe cleaners. Then, I took my Black and Decker 3/8 and drilled a hole in the “glass” right near the speedometer needle. Then I inserted several pipe cleaners through the hole, swished them around a bit, and voila! my speedometer is back in business!


djloo27 said, on July 11, 2016 at 5:31 pm (Edit)

In ’60’s Brooklyn, when all kids played baseball or softball there were often 4 games going on at once in the big schoolyard which had a “diamond’ in each corner. One day when I was about 10, I was playing 2nd base and about 20 feet in front of me was the LF from the game going on directly behind us. They were older kids and some could really play. So the LF (Al Z. one of their best) fields a base hit and fires it towards his cutoff man. Nailed me right between the eyes with a Clincher. I didn’t see it coming – didn’t feel it and didn’t know what had happened to me. All I remember is everything turned completely green – not black. I didn’t fall down – just stood in place with my head down. When the green went away I picked up my head and there was about 20 kids around me just staring at my swollen bloodied face. A few asked me if I was okay. Al said he was sorry. Play resumed.


snarkk said, on August 25, 2016 at 9:13 pm (Edit)

I was just driving past Camelback mountain on the freeway and John Miller was coming in on KNBR like he was in the back seat. Then I got off the freeway and phtttt, nothing but mariachi music…


PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on December 25, 2016 at 7:46 am (Edit)

Merry Christmas, Craig, and to all Flappers everywhere in Flap Universe. Yes, I would think it would stink to wake up in the clink on Christmas Day, but maybe ol’ Stix has spent a lot of said mornings alone anyway. *Alone* and *lonely* are often not at all the same thing. Living in Asia for the past 12 years, I’ve been away from “home” (family) on Christmas all that time, until this year, but never alone, and rarely lonely.

The exception was 3 years ago right now, when I was taking a year’s break from life in Saigon and doing some intensive university lecturing gigs in China again, and I had to finish out Fall term ’13 teaching a 4-week intensive marketing course to very bad students in Wenzhou, a completely non-descript industrial city in the northeast. I arrived there on 12/23, and my course actually started on Christmas Eve day. All the other Westerner lecturers had left already, and it was f-ing freezing cold, and nothing to do. I remember waking up on Christmas morning, lying there in bed before getting up to walk across campus for class, just feeling… numb, vacant, whatever. Alone and lonely for the first time ever, really, in all my years in Asia.

After classes, as coldness and dusk settled over the campus, I walked over to the student canteen for dinner (actually, they made very good fresh noodles there, the place’s saving grace), washed down with local bai jiu (hallucinatory rot gut rice wine), and then weaved my way back to my apartment, wondering what to do on this Christmas night… when a small group of students came strolling by, singing Christmas carols, in English. It brought tears to my eyes… in a good way. Just that one simple moment made everything ok. I wanted to hug them all. Actually, I would’ve taken more than just hugs with a couple of the little lovelies…..

Anyway, to all of my fellow Flappers, wherever you are and whatever and whoever you’re doing, I wish you a merry everything and a happy always.

And for Loo: go Chiefs!


xoot said, on November 13, 2017 at 9:03 pm (Edit)

I remember the links to Stix’s craft showcase pages. Looks like they’re dormant now. The only images I can find are buried in this local newsletter.

Stix owned an ancient deer rifle he never used until a Homeland Security helicopter buzzed his home three times one morning. I walk past Homeland Security cars and trucks every day on my way to my office (they park outside the old Custom House in downtown SF). The HS logo is faint. HS deliberately uses pale grey and pale slate blue and a weak font. No bold stars or colors or government warnings. The vehicles look like something a tasteful contractor would deploy,until you notice the cartoon eagle buried in the design. Apparently HS wants to be able to sneak up on people. The helicopter that buzzed Stix had the same faint and deliberately vague logo on it.

Stix’s fear of the US government was not his only fear and his fears are not all irrational. Stix is not reducible to the caricature of a dim middle-brow reification. Condemn him for shooting his rifle if you choose to. I understand that view. But don’t deny him his complexity and intelligence.

Stix is scheduled to appear in court at 10 am Minnesota time, tomorrow, for sentencing. I’ll see what I can find on line afterward.


mrsprtdude said, on January 30, 2018 at 9:42 am (Edit)

Hi all,

How ironic i missed 5 days because my computer crashed. Ironic because it is the computer Twin gave me for winning the 1st computer contest. At least i think it was the 1st. Total runs scored in the 2010 NLCS against Philly. When I miss some time I go back and scan the thread titles. I’m really glad i did. I just re looked at the Twin letters.

Complicated guy for sure. Mostly i thought he was an asshole, and mostly felt sorry for him. So much anger for a guy who was sick and slowly declining. The only time i didn’t check in at least 3-4 times a week was after the huge dustup he had with Craig ( I know which one?), and I stopped reading for a month or so, as the fight dominated nightly and got old fast. I’m here a lot, and feel like I know a lot of you guys ( welcome back clubber)..I get on late at night, and many times the thread is over, or nothing new to add.

I did appreciate his baseball insights, as will repost the letter he wrote that Craig reprinted, just in case any missed it. I read it twice. I remember it the 1st time he wrote it. Reminded me of listening to Giant games late at night with my little radio as a boy. Would the Count win it? Moon man get the save? When would Clark play more? ( my fav Giant till until Will, until Timmy.) and still to this day I wait and wonder every spring. My wife flew me up to Candlestick as a surprise and my whole family was at the game for my 30th Bday. My name in lights on the score board..game 6 in 2002, game 2 2010, Snow homer that i called out before inning started, watching games with my dad……. watching Craigs posted reaction to the WS win in 2010 after the last game..”Did that just happen????”
Some of life’s best memories revolve around baseball for many of us, and this poem is just terrific…
RIP Michael Scott


xoot said, on July 28, 2018 at 8:40 pm (Edit)

A Lexington lawyer I know is on one of those visit-every-mlb-ballpark-in-the-country trips and Thursday night was his stop in SF. He enjoyed the grand tour. A well-timed climb to the Splash Cam probably did him in. Late sun on both spans of the bridge, the small boats and huge freighters on the Bay, the Oakland hills, etc.This is the view from the cheap seats. The moon rises right over there.

Back down in his field club seats we ordered two crab sandwiches and two beers from the travelling attendant. ($65, before tips.) I looked around at the gathering crowd and suddenly remembered a DJLoo post from years ago. He’d attended a Giants game at Shea and found Peter Magowan sitting near him. Similar behind the dugout seats, I guess. DJLoo said that upon approach Magowan was very gracious. I thought about that old post because I noticed that right across the aisle from me sat Bobby Evans and Dick Tidrow. Evans wore one of his WS rings. Both of them also wore sour, annoyed looks as they watched the end of BP. Unhappy doesn’t begin to cover it. By the time they finally rose and walked down into the tunnel they looked even more malcontent.

I can imagine DJLoo thanking Magowan for his leadership role in everything good that occurred after 1992. Easy conversation to have back in 2008 or 2009. If the Giants were in first place right now, maybe I could’ve given Evans and Tidrow some thanks too for the way their many off-season moves worked out. But, of course: no such luck. I decided that I would gain nothing by saying you know the season ticket holders I usually sit with up in view box think you’ve screwed this team completely and all the fans on the blogs call you fucking idiots. I just saw no reason to breach civility in that way. I certainly didn’t want to upset my Lexington host; and, to be honest,Tidrow, old as he is, still looks like one tough motherfucker.

I don’t see this team bouncing back this season. Evans and Tidrow don’t really look like survivors, either.


willedav said, on May 9, 2019 at 7:34 am (Edit)

Loo got me thinking about b-ball in the ’70s- ’80s…because teams and individuals were allowed to play defense it forced offenses and players to be smarter and more creative. The pure 3 point shooters who couldn’t guard anyone just didn’t last very long and teams ran motion offenses and special plays designed to create good shots for different players and positions.
Good tough post players with inside game and who could defend it were everywhere, and individual stars were just more fun to watch.
And yes unfortunately many had substance issues that inhibited their lives and careers.

Me and buddies used to go a lot in those days and it was a thrill to watch somebody get 40 even if it was against the Warriors. Quality of play and players themselves imo were just better and more enjoyable. It was more team oriented with more movement and flow less isolation and everyone had a role or part to play.

I watch the product today, often run by kids a year or two out of high school going against each other and it just can’t compare. Shot selection—a 25 ft 3 point shot off a 3 on 2 fast break? Offense out of a timeout–you set one screen and everyone stands around? Illegal defense—almost any defense seems illegal, and yet guys complain all the time.



sandog said, on February 12, 2020 at 8:32 pm (Edit)

I love the fact that I’ve met Flav’s dad and he keeps an eye on the blog.
January 31st was the 4 year anniversary of my dad passing away. I’ve posted about my dad on here a few times over the years. He wasn’t much of a sports fan, but he knew how much I loved sports so he took me to some Giants games growing up and also occasionally to see the Warriors, the A’s, and even a few Sacramento Solons games.
When I was around 15, I bought him a Giants hat for what must have been a birthday or Father’s Day present. It was a stylish hat for the time, an alternative look to the classic on-field hat. That same year—I’m guessing it was 1980—we went on a summer trip to the midwest to visit my dad’s side of the family in Iowa and Minnesota. My siblings were all out of the house by then, so it was just me with my mom and dad in our GMC truck pulling a trailer. I was very pleased to see my dad wore that Giants hat as we made our journey. I loved that he was repping the Giants and wearing a hat that I considered to be cool.
When we were in Minnesota, we set up our trailer at my Aunt Virginia and Uncle Don’s farm and spent time with their family. Among them, were my oldest cousin Jim and his wife Connie. They were probably in their late 20’s then and I could tell my dad had a close bond with both of them. At one point, Connie mentioned that she had a hat collection and that she loved my dad’s hat and asked if he would be nice enough to pass it along to her for her collection. I can’t remember if I voiced my objections publicly or privately, but I definitely was not down with that plan. I loved him wearing that and I didn’t want to see him just give it away to the wife of my cousin who I barely knew. But somehow my dad, as was his way, sold me on the idea that it would be a nice gesture and I grudgingly went along with it.
As the years went by, I didn’t see much of Jim and Connie. They made a brief stop at our house in Woodland a year or two later and in 1987 I visited that farm again on a cross country trip with a college friend. I don’t remember bringing up the hat incident on either visit. But last year, my Aunt Virginia passed away and it was decided that my brother Mark and I would represent our family at the memorial service in August. We had a great trip reconnecting with my dad’s Iowa roots and one night we stayed in a classic farmhouse AirBnB outside Sheldon, Iowa with several of my cousins—including Jim and Connie. One afternoon, we were in the yard having some drinks and shooting the breeze in a beautiful rural setting and I asked Connie if she remembered that deal with the hat. She said she did remember collecting hats and that the incident sounded vaguely familiar, but didn’t specifically remember the hat and had no idea what may have come of it. We had a laugh about it and moved on to other topics and I honestly hadn’t given it another thought since that conversation.
Fast forward to yesterday, where I had a helluva day. As some of you know, I work at a high school as a school counselor and also coach boys’ varsity basketball. I went directly from working my job to setting up the gym, to coaching the JV game as my partner is out of town, to running the clock for the girls game, to announcing the line-ups and honoring my seniors before our game, which went to overtime—where we scratched out a one point win. I was totally gassed as I left campus, but I checked my box on the way out and to my surprise there was a package in there from Connie. I had no idea what could be in the box as she and Jim had literally never mailed me anything in my life. I was so tired and hungry and curious to see about the New Hampshire primary that I really wasn’t even that curious what was inside. But after a while, I grabbed a pocket knife and opened it up. There was some wadded up Christmas wrapping paper in the box and when I got past it, there it was—-the exact same hat I had given my dad roughly 40 years earlier. Wrapped in plastic and in damn good condition! She had a post-it attached to it that simply read “Found it!”
I couldn’t believe it. I still haven’t unwrapped it and put it on. I cried a little bit right then and there, but for some reason it hit me harder this morning when I took another look at it and I broke down pretty good.
I’ll send Flav a picture of that sweet bastard so you can all check it out. Better yet, maybe I’ll wear that sucker to a Flapalooza with all of you at Oracle this season.
Go Giants!


wilcojoe said, on April 26, 2020 at 9:37 am (Edit)

Learned to drive an 89 Toyota pick up with manual transmission. My dad had very little patience and couldn’t figure out how to get me to stop popping the clutch. The fact was that his impatience just increased my nervousness. It was not a good combo. So one afternoon my alcoholic but fun loving Uncle came to the rescue. He stopped at the liquor store, where he picked up a fifth of vodka and then drove me to the parking lot of Solano Community College.

I took the drivers seat and as he continued to drink his fifth, covered in a brown paper bag, I continued to practice stop and go maneuvers, increasing my speed and switching gears in the empty parking lot. After a while, when I asked my uncle if he wanted to switch seats so he could drive home, he lifted up his fifth as if to toast me congratulations and said I was ready to drive home. He was right. I never stalled out again and that’s how I learned to drive a stick. I would become his designated driver for quite a while after that, so I guess it was a win-win.


wilcojoe said, on August 3, 2020 at 2:17 pm (Edit)

RIP Ralph Barbieri. I will never forget how he let me sit next to him in the new bleachers at Candlestick in ‘93 as a 16 year old, telling him that I wanted his job when I grew up. He didn’t speak down or patronize me in any way. He spoke to me like I was his peer. I know he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but he was THE voice of sports talk in the Bay Area for all of my childhood. Angels fly because they take themselves lightly. I will toast one in your honor tonight Razor.


 Pasalon said, on October 29, 2020 at 8:12 am (Edit)

I know a thing or two about Nielsen ratings.

Flavor, you know me pretty well, but I’ve always had to keep a secret from you. I, your good friend Pasalon, was a Nielsen household until earlier this year. Yes, it’s true! But I couldn’t tell you, I couldn’t tell my closest friends or family, I couldn’t brag about it on social. They make you sign a confidentiality agreement. Only now that I’m out of the program, can I share this story with you and Flapnation.

In 2019 there was a friendly knock on the door. A man with Nielsen introduced himself and asked if I was Dave Anderson. My interest piqued, I excitedly confirmed my identity and urged him to come inside. Over the next 30 minutes he described the method that Nielsen proposed to gather my family’s viewing habits, and there was a financial incentive. It was my lucky day.

We went through the house and installed a small monitoring device next to each of the TVs in the house. They took detailed information about the make and model of the TV, which room it was in, and made sure that the device was working properly. It was explained to me that it listened to the content coming from the TV to determine what was being watched. He had a nifty little computer device to ensure that everything was in order. Indeed, everything was in order.

The next 18 months were some of the most carefree of my life (global pandemic notwithstanding).

I would field a monthly call from Ken, a friendly field data analist calling from Nielsen in Orlando, FL, asking to confirm if all the demographic information in my household was up to date. Most of the time nothing would change. But during one call I disclosed that my daughter moved back home from college earlier this year. He was keenly interested in this breaking news, as she has a TV in her room. I could hear the keyboard clacking away in the background as he duly noted this important change.

I was riding this sweet wave. I was a media insider. A hollywood elite. I felt like my 15 year old self again. There was a new pep in my stride, confidence beaming at every turn. I have a semi-famous friend I met when I worked in a music store in Palo Alto during my youth. Hershel plays lead guitar for Chris Isaak, and he told me that musicians get ‘mailbox money’ – royalty checks that just show up in the mail. Nielsen was sending me $18 every 90 days, and now I was part of this upper class of society. We’re talking Mailbox Money, baby! Found money. Walking around money.

Maybe I got a little too big for my britches. Those calls from Ken had his caller ID which would ultimately be his and my undoing. As time went by, I didn’t have any new TVs to report, no more changes in my household, and I started sending Ken to voicemail. His messages were getting more desperate – please call him back. I could hear an emotion in his voice that I had not heard in our periodic conversations. Sorry Ken. You’re one of those guys I used to know before I got famous.

Earlier this year I received a certified letter that I would no longer be a Nielsen household. Fedex delivered pre-paid return boxes for the monitoring devices. My world came crashing down. I went through the various stages of denial, anger, and finally acceptance. I sent them back. The quarterly payments have all but dried up. I am empty and I wander aimlessly through the days. Colors seem less saturated and nothing tastes as good as it used to and my loved ones are asking me if I’m ok more often than they used to.

I am only able to share this story with you all since I am no longer in the program nor bound by their burdensome NDA. Fuck Nielsen and their invasive listening technology. Yes, Flavor, Nielsen is still a thing, but like that song from Gotye, they’re just somebody I used to know.

PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on November 14, 2020 at 6:57 pm(Edit)

74) Golf is just alright with me. Played a lot as a kid and teen. Even played once on mushrooms. Man, the colors on the course that day….. I always loved being out there on a beautiful day. All my aunts/uncles/cousins on my Father’s side are/were true golfers, golfed all the time, they were kinda boring and took it very seriously, too seriously for me. Loved George Carlin’s bit about the silliness of the seriousness of golf, talking about the silence and utmost concentration when someone was putting, contrasted with brain surgeons who gab and laugh with each other while performing brain surgeries. Golf highlights for me I suppose would include playing at courses in China, Mexico, and Ireland… sweet little seaside course in Ireland, that was beautiful. It’s been years now, though. I still go out now and then and hit a bucket of balls at a range right on the Saigon River.


pawliekokonuts said, on December 12, 2020 at 3:17 pm(Edit)

We always cut a tree down in my second marriage. It was a ritual. There are plenty of Christmas tree farms around these parts. I don’t have any environmental qualms about it because these folks are always replanting. It’s something I miss now that my youngest is on her own, as am I. (Buddhists would add none of us are on our own.) We have one story that is the stuff of family legend. About 12-15 years ago, Adrianna and I were out at a farm to get the family tree. We found one. So, here I am lying in the soggy snow hacking away with a lousy hacksaw-type saw. Hard work; little progress. I’m sweating. Todd walks by. His then-wife Diane worked with me, one of the firm’s principals. Todd has some kids with him. Todd has a motorized chainsaw!! I don’t know him well; enough to mumble hello. “Todd, hi. Mind if you come over here and give us a hand cutting down this tree?” “Hold on. I have to go over here and cut this tree down for my family.” He breezes on by. Cocksucker. I proceed the gulag-labor task of sawing our tree. Todd and family walk by. We’re done. No words exchanged. Monday morning, at the office: diane: “Todd says you ran into him at the tree farm.” Right. silence. No wonder she divorced his sorry ass. Merry Christmas.


PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on January 12, 2021 at 6:57 pm(Edit)

’90 to ’92 late in my Boston years, had a girlfriend from Ireland (not Irish-American from Southie, etc., she was the real deal born and raised in Dublin, in the US on a several-year green card). She had to move back to Dublin at some point early ’92, so we kinda broke up. Long distance dating and all that. Decided on one last attempt to save the relationship and headed over to Ireland for a few weeks Fall of ’92. I rented a car and we did a 2-week road trip around the country; her brother and his girlfriend came along. Patrick was pretty cool, and we both agreed that the road trip was dedicated to finding the perfect pint of Guinness. Sprinkled among some golfing and turf races, we probably visited nearly 50 pubs all over the country and it definitely took the full 2 weeks to find that perfect pint, which ended up being poured at Gus O’Connor’s pub in the small town of Doolin. We cheers’ed and took the first sip and the looks on our faces revealed we’d found it. So smooth it was like breathing. Yeah, it’s all in the pour. Had another friend in Boston from Ireland who worked for Guinness whose job was to go around to all the bars in Boston that served G. on tap and inspect the hosing, refridgeration, and training of the pourers to ensure the ultimate Guiness experience. Now that’s a job. Ah, Geraldine of black hair, green eyes, and fair skin, she’ll always be the love of my life. Along with that perfect pint in Doolin…..


PaulinAsia Banh Bao said, on January 22, 2021 at 7:12 pm(Edit)

Growing up in NJ, my Dad took me to numerous baseball games when I was quite young, more often to Yankee Stadium but also to see the Mets and Phils. Of course, as time passed, going to a game with one’s Dad lessened in importance or cool-ness, especially once the teen years hit. Round about ’74, I was a senior in highschool and hadn’t gone to a game with Pops for many years, but one day he came to me and said, “I know you’re a little old to go to a ballgame with your old Dad, but Braves are playing in Philly and it might be the last time you could see Hank Aaron.” I think that was his last year in Atlanta before going back to Milwaukee at the very end of his career. So I thought, sure, why not, damned the uncoolness of it. Had a great time. Saw Hank Aaron play. On the bus ride home, I stared out the window as we rolled up the Turnpike and felt tears in my eyes, realizing that yeah, last time I’ll see Hank Aaron, but most importantly, probably last time I’ll go to a baseball game with my Father. It was. Thank you, Henry Aaron.

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