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Friday’s Topic: Whatever you Want

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 4, 2011

Sorry, barely had time to get the BB up this morning. There just isn’t that much newz coming out of AZ today. Ford blasted a bomb, where did that come from? Posey hit one 450 feet; nice.

Twin threw out a topic at the end of the last thread about our surprising defensive stats last year. This is “talk about whatever you want day”. baseball, football, your opinion on the BB of the Day. Whatever. I’ll check back with you guys later.

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  1. twinfan's avatar twinfan said, on March 4, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Here is the comment Flavor referred to:
    “Off topic, probably the most overlooked factor in the 2010 WS run was the defense- many have posited that the team had a high fielding percentage due to limited range… however, Baseball Prospectus (and other sites) rate Defensive Efficiency, the rate at which balls put into play are converted into outs by a team’s defense. The Giants were first in the NL…the best defense, the best pitching- Chef Jack’s recipe for success..”

  2. Bozo's avatar Bozo said, on March 4, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Yeah, going into the season the D was the big question mark. One of the things that amazed me the most was how well Rent played after the thing in his arm tore completely. Going into the Playoffs he played short like he was 10 years younger. Also, Uribe did a great defensive job filling in everywhere.
    Not too shabby.

  3. zumarust's avatar zumarust said, on March 4, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Huff was better than advertized on defense. Posey turned out to be great on defense. Franchez had an excellent defensive post-season. I guess the list goes on and on. Rowand with that great throw in the Phillies series. Timmy with that acrobatic play during the season where he dove for the ball behind the mound and threw the guy out at first. MLB put that play on their 100 best plays of the season list. The guys play real hard. A manager’s dream.
    Ishi and Nate with excellent late-inning defensive sub work.

    • zumarust's avatar zumarust said, on March 4, 2011 at 9:50 am

      MLB network, I meant.

    • Bozo's avatar Bozo said, on March 4, 2011 at 9:54 am

      zum, not to mention, Torres had a gold glove year in CF.

  4. TedSpe's avatar TedSpe said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:05 am

    And who can forget that play when Sandoval…D’OH!!

  5. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:10 am

    The defense in the WS was astounding. I don’t remember us playing anything close to that level during the regular season— but then again, there’s the defensive stat noted by Twin above that’s impossible to ignore.

  6. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:12 am

    The defense was certainly better than we all thought it would be. My one question with that stat is where the Giants rank on how many balls were put into play, since they led all of MLB in strikeouts, including three of the top 29 strikeout pitchers and a reliever who had the third-most strikeouts among closers. And they allowed, by far, the fewest hits. The counteract to all that is the Giants also led MLB in innings pitched. Just curious.

  7. Kevin's avatar Kevin said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:29 am

    BF if I send you a picture of me can you photoshop me between the two BB?? Just a thought.

    • eddacker415's avatar eddacker415 said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:32 am

      I say you put his head on both so we can decide if we like Kevin better with/without a tan.

      • Kevin's avatar Kevin said, on March 4, 2011 at 11:46 am

        With!!

      • Kevin's avatar Kevin said, on March 4, 2011 at 11:46 am

        Other wise I look like yesterdays BB

  8. eddacker415's avatar eddacker415 said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:35 am

    I just watched the NLDS game that ESPN called:

    “Giants defense dooms Braves, take 2-1 lead”

    Fontenot is playing 3rd

    so, yeah, our defense was a lot better than predicted last season.

  9. xootsuit's avatar xootsuit said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Ishi and Nate as late inning D had their great moments — including at least one each in the playoffs. Either or both may be gone from the team by April; that could be a significant change.

  10. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:51 am

    My exhaustive research has identified today’s BBs as: “dos mujeres bonitas”. Unlike yesterday’s BB, at least I don’t need to wear my Maui Jims to look at the photo…

    • TedSpe's avatar TedSpe said, on March 4, 2011 at 11:22 am

      To quote Flav’s POTD: “I’m also down with hot latina’s.”

  11. Bozo's avatar Bozo said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Since it’s any topic day, I would like to nominate myself for prognosticator of 2010. For calling the World Champions last March. But, as my wife pointed out, I say it every year so I guess I can’t. Going through a draft folder I found this anthem from last March 3 that I had posted on the old Flap.

    Bozo said…

    HAPPY NEW YEAR FLAPPERS.
    Yes it’s the year of the Panda. A year in which we jump into our new DeRosa and drive over to the Nate the Great Bar and Grill. Posey on in while leaning on your Cain and drink a Huff over Ishi. Watch a full episode of Renteria. Discuss some Bochy plays while spitting out the Flannery in your throat. Some say it’ll be a Freakish year, Dirty and Filthy but Natsu Nasty, as the Rags to Bam Bam story plays out.
    A year when Flappers everywhere finally are able to sing out as one ‘This Is Your World Champion San Francisco Giants’.
    Yes, a happy new year indeed.
    Cheers
    March 3, 2010 6:22 AM

    With a few minor tweaks and one major one I can use this again this year. The major tweak I was thinking about is – A year when Flappers everywhere are able to REPEAT as one ‘This Is Your World Champion San Francisco Giants’.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:58 am

      how many wins did you predict they’d have?

      • Bozo's avatar Bozo said, on March 4, 2011 at 11:25 am

        I think I went with 93 but I’m not sure. Could have been 95.

  12. Rough Trade's avatar Rough Trade said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:56 am

    I’d forgotten until reading Baggs that ‘right-handed is Pablo’s natural side.”

    Hit.380 Rh in 09, .220 last yr.

  13. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 4, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Funny convo with my daughter last night. She was asking me about barry Zito. I told her Zito is super into surfing and she goes, “not baseball?” and I had to think about my answer before saying, “no, not baseball”….

    • xootsuit's avatar xootsuit said, on March 4, 2011 at 11:34 am

      I’m a little dubious about Zito’s surfing. He surely hasn’t surfed since signing his Giants contract. A surfing injury voids it. And the only stories I see about his younger days involve surfing some exotic break in Fiji. I’m not sure anyone’s every seen him in the water in Calif. This one photo shows up a bunch. Looks like Zito in some rarefied spot (no one else around). Most lefties are goofy foot. The peak’s a little hard to judge because the photo cuts it off, but he seems to have missed his chance at a successful bottom turn on this wave, possibly because he was weak and wobbly getting into the wave. And you gotta wonder — why isn’t he going left? It’s not what you would call a promising take off.

      http://www.theextremescene.com/image/barry-zito-surfingjpg

      • Del Mar Dennis's avatar Del Mar Dennis said, on March 4, 2011 at 11:55 am

        No Mavericks this year. I think we can blame that on Zito’s shitty lack of command as well.

      • xootsuit's avatar xootsuit said, on March 4, 2011 at 12:15 pm

        You mean Zito’s “La Niña”? Maybe so. Maybe so. La Niña. Sorta suits him.

      • bball and waves's avatar bball and waves said, on March 4, 2011 at 2:04 pm

        He should be going left there. Looks like he was late on catching it but like you said, the photo doesn’t show the whole break but he’s way off balance, that’s for sure.

  14. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on March 4, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Already a knowledgeable Giants fan! BTW, until the Jenkins piece I didn’t even know about the buyout that kicks in after the 7th year. Geez, does Boras bring along Luca Brasi when he negotiates these deals?

  15. Kevin's avatar Kevin said, on March 4, 2011 at 11:50 am

    I don’t think Luca liked the way they pierced his hand and I know he didn’t like the Wire neck tie they gave him.

    • Del Mar Dennis's avatar Del Mar Dennis said, on March 4, 2011 at 11:57 am

      Kevin, may your first child be a masculine child.

  16. TedSpe's avatar TedSpe said, on March 4, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Don Boras, I am honored and grateful that you have invited me to your home on the signing day of Barry Zito. And may his first pitch be a masculine pitch.

    So much for that

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 4, 2011 at 12:28 pm

      Sabes: Neuk, what do you want me to do?
      Neuk: I want you to use all your powers and all your skills.
      I don’t want to see this, this Zits, this way any longer.
      Look how he’s screwing up our rotation.
      Trade his sorry ass, now…

  17. Del Mar Dennis's avatar Del Mar Dennis said, on March 4, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Giants bat around in the 1st and score 5 including a Belt 2-run homer.
    Rowand made the first and last out. At least he got two ABs out of it.

    • xootsuit's avatar xootsuit said, on March 4, 2011 at 12:44 pm

      Suppan’s throwing strikes and Stewart nailed a runner at second. No Whitey and Zito are looking as pale as yesterday’s BB.

  18. ewisco's avatar ewisco said, on March 4, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    rowand sucks! 0 for 3 today (so far) with 2 k’s. hitting a robust .067 and all everyone is bitching about is zito. Zito can pitch with a modicum of success. Rowand can’t hit worth shit.

  19. bball and waves's avatar bball and waves said, on March 4, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    .067? Ouch! Not a fan of Rowand at all.

  20. macdog's avatar macdog said, on March 4, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Rowand 1-4, now up to .125!

    • bball and waves's avatar bball and waves said, on March 4, 2011 at 3:02 pm

      LOL if it wasn’t so sad. Sounds like Belt and Derosa had a day from what I have read. I need to pick up a new radio for the office, my old took a dump yesterday.

      Looks like sfgate is down today, the political junkies are probably in withdrawl.

      • Kevin's avatar Kevin said, on March 4, 2011 at 3:26 pm

        MLB.com has game day, get updates there

      • bball and waves's avatar bball and waves said, on March 4, 2011 at 3:32 pm

        Thanks Kevin. I’m on it.

  21. ewisco's avatar ewisco said, on March 4, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    i don’t think sfgate is down but it is slow as shit today.

    • bball and waves's avatar bball and waves said, on March 4, 2011 at 3:33 pm

      Worse than dial-up slow.

  22. ewisco's avatar ewisco said, on March 4, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    if they’re starting rowand in an attempt to showcase him, it’s not working too well. damn.

  23. twinfan's avatar twinfan said, on March 4, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Belt is making his case. How about a poll tomorrow, Craig? Will he make the 25 out of ST?

  24. stixwiz's avatar stixwiz said, on March 4, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Now Suppan for goodness gracious sakes alive. What these guys won’t do to get on board a winner. Yes, Belt is making his case for sure. Looks like an RBI machine, so maybe my earlier fantasy of him batting in the 2-hole cussn onaccounta his speed may need to be rethunk. Were it not for the arbitration rules, i’d say he’s a slam-dunk shoe-in to make the 25-man at the end of the month.

    As i’ve noted a couple times already, the tradewinds they might be blowing fairly soon. More and more Belt is making Ishi redundant. Darren Ford steals a few more bases and the SS Rowand may be taking on a list. As for that rotation and Zito’s continued status, it may now largely depend on how fast Cainer comes back from the elbow owwie. Suppan and Vogelsong both are making things interesting.

    Six and two record so far in the desert. Still doesn’t mean diddly, but the indications are nice. Other teams may start to be getting a bit nervous about this bunch. With Panda and DeRosa hammering that horsehide and provided Cain is OK, we might just be looking at a monster.

    • Jules's avatar Jules said, on March 4, 2011 at 4:45 pm

      This happens every spring. Belt is for real, but he was hitting against Tim Dillard, who is an awful pitcher probably headed for AAA. Suppan was facing just a couple of regulars. Tough to draw any conclusions off this split squad game.

  25. ewisco's avatar ewisco said, on March 4, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    the problem with suppan is that i seem to remember wellemeyer had a pretty good spring and look how that turned out. really hard to judge this early and even later, it won’t necessarily be easy.

  26. ewisco's avatar ewisco said, on March 4, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Rowand sitting on the bench anywhere near Bochy is like having a slutty undead BB sitting near to Flav. No matter what he’s promised himself, you just know he’s going to reach for it . . .

  27. PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on March 4, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Warm-your-heart story on Romo at Giants’ site. But I’m a bit miffed they are using Journey for the video promo for tix. Should be our boy Ashkon. Going to Philly tomorrow. Be wearin’ my colors proudly. Wanna make somethin’ of it?

    • ewisco's avatar ewisco said, on March 4, 2011 at 4:51 pm

      you lookin’ at me?

  28. twinfan's avatar twinfan said, on March 4, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Why don’t you stop in at Bryn Mawr and say hello to Soph?

    • PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on March 4, 2011 at 5:30 pm

      I still don’t know if she is real or not. In fact, sometimes I’m not sure if I’m real.

    • TedSpe's avatar TedSpe said, on March 4, 2011 at 5:38 pm

      soph’s real. Real what, I have no idea.

  29. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on March 4, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Anybody remember Bryn Mawr’s reign of terror on the old GE College Bowl?

    • TedSpe's avatar TedSpe said, on March 4, 2011 at 5:28 pm

      Wasn’t Katherine Hepburn on that team?

    • PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on March 4, 2011 at 5:32 pm

      Man, my brother and I loved that show. Sunday evenings. Allen Ludden. Would be interesting to know if any of those contestants went on to fame or fortune — or misfortune.

  30. TedSpe's avatar TedSpe said, on March 4, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Why is it not surprising Rowand made 2 outs in 1 inning today

    • zumarust's avatar zumarust said, on March 4, 2011 at 6:40 pm

      And two very Rowand-esque outs….strike out and ground out.

  31. Mega Flavor's avatar Mega Flavor said, on March 4, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    Sure I’ll put a poll up. He’s starting the year in Fresno, though. If I give the answer away it won’t be much of a poll

    • zumarust's avatar zumarust said, on March 4, 2011 at 6:41 pm

      The poll could include what months people think he’ll be brought up if he starts in AAA?

    • twinfan's avatar twinfan said, on March 4, 2011 at 7:11 pm

      I think you already said that- 142 times.

  32. zumarust's avatar zumarust said, on March 4, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Why is it not surprising that Zito hit a guy and walked a guy to load the bases?

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on March 4, 2011 at 6:57 pm

      It’s surprising to me. I remember when you had to put 3 guys on to load the bases.

      • zumarust's avatar zumarust said, on March 4, 2011 at 7:01 pm

        I think the other guy got a hit. Zito was trying for the “Zito cycle” in that inning. The 4th batter being the guy that hits the grandslam. It didn’t happen though.

  33. zumarust's avatar zumarust said, on March 4, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    It could be mildly interesting to see who scores higher on the suck-o-meter this Spring….Zito or Rowand. Rowand made a strong move with the two outs in one inning today. But Zito battled back with the hit-batsman and the bases-loaded stress inning.

  34. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on March 4, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Zito and Rowand are World Champion San Francisco Giants.
    Or have you forgotten that?

  35. Rough Trade's avatar Rough Trade said, on March 4, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    3 IP, 1 run is certainly an encouraging effort for Zito, especially in the desert.

    Neal has gone deep.

  36. Del Mar Dennis's avatar Del Mar Dennis said, on March 4, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Improved outing for Zito tonight. 3.0 innings, 2 hits, 1 run, 1 walk, 2 strikeouts, 1 HBP.

    Maybe the Jenkins article and all the hullabaloo that followed lit a fire under his ass. That is if a fire can be lit in Spring Training. I still think we should send him to Plankton’s Chum Bucket.

    • macdog's avatar macdog said, on March 4, 2011 at 8:01 pm

      Or the Chumporium.

    • xootsuit's avatar xootsuit said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:27 pm

      Yeah, I’m sure Zito got a lot more diligent about his conditioning regimen after the Jenkins article hit the paper. And all that work finally paid off tonight, huh?

      In any event, if there’s any possibility of a trade involving Zito, a good ST sure would help.

  37. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on March 4, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    A pissed off Zito with no pressure and a little extra run support can win at least 15.

  38. twinfan's avatar twinfan said, on March 4, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Zitz will be the same as he’s always been. He’ll raise false hopes at some point and face plant when needed most.Perhaps Bochy’s greatest move of all was leaving him off the postseason roster- they would not be WS champs had he pitched…

  39. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 4, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Does someone have that crazy stat on Zito? The one where he’s a million and 3 when he gets 4 runs or more, whatever it is?

  40. Rough Trade's avatar Rough Trade said, on March 4, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    What’s the alternative?

  41. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 4, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    well, that’s not really what I was asking for. The alternative is ABZ. And whoever that guy is gets to take the mound boo-free and with a team that’s isn’t scared and tight playing behind him. ABZ? All of a sudden the team plays loose and starts scoring runs for good ol’ ABZ…….

  42. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 4, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    ABZ is my current favorite future Giant… He’s got kind of a cool-ass edge to him, too. Anyone here a M*A*S**H fan? Remember the “Tuttle” show? Right now, that’s who ABZ is…………

    • zumarust's avatar zumarust said, on March 4, 2011 at 9:48 pm

      “There was a little bit of Tuttle in all of us. You might say that, together, we all made up Tuttle.”

  43. twinfan's avatar twinfan said, on March 4, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    I think everybody is 110-4 with 4 runs of support… I’m sick of that dumb fucking stat. He also has like 30 no decisions with SIX runs. He sucks.

  44. ewisco's avatar ewisco said, on March 4, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    flav, you make a good point about having a new pitcher with no baggage. the obvious question is who. with zito it always gets back to his fastball. if he’s not throwing in the high 80’s for strikes, he’s in big trouble. it’s not his strike out pitch but it sets up his off speed stuff. someone mentioned earlier that if all he has is his fastball, he’s in trouble. I keep thinking, however, about other pitchers without big fastballs, and they were somehow successful. greg maddux comes to mind. i guess it comes down to pitching as opposed to throwing. Maddux was a master of in, out, up, down, fast, slow. the big 12 – 6 curve was not his pitch.

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 5, 2011 at 12:38 am

      Maddux also had pinpoint control on his pitches. He could nail a fly on either side of the plate with his cutter. Consequently, the umps would always give him strikes. Zito isn’t in the same area code as a control pitcher. Main reason why Maddux is going to the HOF, and Zito’s just going to the bank…


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