Bonds Will Never Get into the Hall of Fame….
I like Gwen Knapp. I don’t find her columns especially interesting but I almost always agree with her perspective. But in her column about Bonds and the HOF today she wrote “He would have been a first ballot shoo-in based on his performances through 1998.” I shook my head sideways. I don’t think his body of work through ’98 does it. Between his debut in ’86 and his 1998 season he won 3 MVP’s (he actually won them in ’90, ’92 and ’93). In those 13 seasons he had an OPS over 1.000 in 7 of them. Pretty dominant. *Hall of Fame* dominant? Sorry, but 7 seasons of dominance isn’t enough to ticket you as a shoo-in to the Hall of Fame…..
He did win 4 more MVP’s after ’98. And there was, of course, the 73 bombs in 2001. Now THAT should get you into the Hall of Fame! Longevity. Dominance. That’s HOF material. But of course, now we know how he did THAT.
Will he make it into the Hall of Fame? I think he’s a shoo-in to NOT make the HOF. I think the writers are itching to stamp their imprint on the steroid-era and keeping out all the steroid guys is going to be the way they do it. By steroid guys, I’m talking specifically about any of the players who testified before Congress or who have been involved in BALCO or any prosecution. Off the top of my head, that’s Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Giambi, Palmiero, Pettitte and Clemens. I’m probably missing a couple and there were obviously other users, but those are the guys who lied to everyone. At least to their face.
From a numbers stand point, Sosa is the MAIN guy who keeps them all out. He had settled into a nice little 30 HR/yr career. Nothing too special. Nice. Most people forget *nice*. Then he and McGwire go viral on everyone in ’98. He puts up 66 bombs that year, follows it up with 63. Over a 4 year period Sammy Sosa hit 243 home runs. Juuuuust a little of the top.
They can’t keep all the steroid guys out, but they can keep the liars and the *fatheads* out because there’s a concrete list of those guys. And if you don’t think the Hall has a problem with keeping out the best of the best just look at how long Pete Rose has been standing outside in the rain without an umbrella….
The Flap Fantasy Baseball Standings (Unca and CrazyDiamonds make big moves, Blade free falls double digits and FH finally sees the glory of a green number!)

I’m interested to see where SF stacks up offensively; if they are on pace to score similar amount of runs as last year. I still think there are going to be nights of torture like last year when they just aren’t going to score much and will have to rely on pitching and D. When you don’t get quite enough of that like last night, and the regulars in the LU don’t pick it up at the plate…
I give bochy credit for running runzler and mota, who both gave up a couple of runs to the ROx, back out there last night and going quickly to Vogs. Pen guys kept them in it, just couldn’t score enough to come back.
I don’t see how you can keep Bonds out, but the other guys flav mentioned besides clemens (hey there’s a lot of assholes already in) aren’t deserving, imo, irregardless of the roids issue. Rose doesn’t enter into it because of the gambling on games, not because he’s an idiot nobody likes.
Rose is out because he’s been banned from baseball by the Commissioner. That won’t change as long as the Budster is in power. When he leaves, it might change, if the next commish thinks he’s suffered long enough. IMO, Rose stays out longer than the ‘roid guys. The ‘roid guys cheated to get better, that helps to win games. Baseball has always had cheating to win, of some sort. Gambling is a fundamental threat to the whether a player or manager plays to win the game. Rose violated THE cardinal rule that even the dumbest rookie in A ball knows — you’re out of MLB if you get caught betting on games. Period. There is no forgiveness for that Original Sin. He denies now that he bet while he played, I don’t believe him. I think the MLB report he signed admitted he bet on “other” teams games while he managed, and if that’s the case, I don’t believe that either — I think he bet on his own games, too. In a real sense, betting while managing is even a worse sin because you can so influence who pitches when and how long, not to mention position player manipulation. Rose certainly belongs in the HOF for his on field exploits, but deservedly can be kept out because of his serial betting problem while in MLB and the guys he consorted with to do it. If it’s a choice in the clubhouse hallway between Greg Anderson or Paulie Walnuts and Christopha’, I’ll take Anderson every day of the week…
After the formal investigation proved Rose had bet on baseball games, a lot of baseball games, mlb moved into the punitive phase of the Pete Rose gambling proceedings. Bart Giamatti allowed Rose to stop the proceeding by entering into a settlement agreement. Rose agreed to banishment. The HOF separately decided to ban him, after the settlement. The agreement allows him to seek reinstatement. Giamatti died about a week after brokering the settlement. Fay Vincent was hell bent to keep Rose out. Selig just hasn’t had the balls to reinstate Rose. A new commissioner might.
Rose claimed he bet on the Reds while he managed, not just “other teams.”
” I bet on my team to win every night because I love my team, I believe in my team,” Rose said. “I did everything in my power every night to win that game.”
This to Dan Patrick and Olberman, I presume in response to the reports that he didn’t bet on every game ( not betting certain games is as damning as wagering on them)_actually, more damning.
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Well, if you don’t fucking count the Gold Gioves, the stolen bases…really. No question he was a a fucking shoo-in. Zero.Nil. Nada…
You get a chance to win it all every year but rarely do you get a chance to repeat. The front office must do whatever is necessary to make sure this team gets what it needs. They improved the team on the cheap last season. Might have to spend some bucks this time around. I would assume they have money to spend when the time comes later on.
The HOF can blow me ever since they “punished’ Marichal for a couple of years. Do they think they taught him a lesson 15 years later? Fuck those judgmental cocksuckers. Rose (who I’ve always hated) belongs, too. Who the fuck do they think they are?
Thanks, Soph.
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Lincecum, Posey, etc… thoughts on post-season expansion:
“San Francisco Giants’ Tim Lincecum blasts idea of playoff expansion”
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_17912359
The solution for Zito has arrived — Marin to get minor-league ball!
http://www.marinij.com/business/ci_17910514
“The league has been a stopping point for ex-big-leaguers and overlooked prospects. Former major league All-Star Jose Canseco is the player-manager for the Yuma team this season. Current San Francisco Giants pitcher Sergio Romo played for the same Yuma team in 2007”
Gwen Knapp’s coverage of the Bonds’ trial and verdict was nasty and sarcastic — some of the most self indulgent “journalism” I’ve eve seen. She’s making the most of the scraps left behind by Fainaru-Wada and Williiams. During the video feed showing the press inteviewing the jury after the trial you could see Knapp pacing in the background, taking notes, eager for blood. The HOF schtick is what she’s decided to ride for a while. Pathetic.
Bonds is fucked. The greatest player in the last 20 years is going to be shut out of the HOF because he was the best on roids as well as off. I voted for eventually, but not on the first ballot, just because it sounds good. But he’s fucked.
I got distracted by my loathing for the odious Gwen Knapp and forgot to explain: If they keep Bonds out, they can justify keeping out every other tainted roider. So they will.
Agree with you that Knapp wrote the most bellicose coverage of the trial that I saw. Barry must have dissed her big time or something is in their shared past. Her take on just about every possible nuance of the goings on was uber negative to Bonds. Her articles weren’t reports, they were ongoing editorials with trial reportage as underlayment…
Unca in third place? Come on Fantasy league get tougher.
Knapp should be shipped to hard news where she can pontificate about OBAMA.
How about a GIANT Barry statue at ATT? That’s doable. A little plaque in CF is not good enough.
The BBWAA members have a huge hypocrisy quotient in voting for steroid era HOF members. A lot, a lot if not most of them HAD to know steroids were rampant in MLB locker rooms in that era. It was their JOB to know or suspect. Yet, where were the stories, where were the interviews with sources that could support a story? Nowhere, or buried. Where was any follow up on the Boswell story in 1988? They and their editors were complicit, they were part of it all. Yet, they have the power over the red/green light HOF button. So, not voting for Bonds and Clemens and any other top players publicly now associated with ‘roids is the height of writer hypocrisy. With what we know now about that time, it would be my assumption that anybody good enough to be a HOF candidate from that era was possibly doing ‘roids, along with a huge percentage of the lesser lights of the MLBPA playing at the time. So, it should make no difference in a HOF vote. The playing field during that time for those elite guys has to be assumed as level…
Steve “Mr. Clean” Garvey to purchase Dodgers
“”We want to bring the Dodgers back to their glory,” Garvey told the newspaper. “There was a Dodger way, but that way has drifted by the wayside.”
http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-04-23/steve-garvey-announces-effort-to-purchase-dodgers#ixzz1KMoCFQ4h”
http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-04-23/steve-garvey-announces-effort-to-purchase-dodgers
Vern and Vera better align the rabbit ears on their 12″ 1962 B&W Zenith — their boy is starting.
Rowand CF, Sanchez 2B, Huff 1B, Sandoval 3B, Burrell LF, Ross RF, Tejada SS, Whiteside C, Lincecum P
Vogelsong looked pretty good last night. Sabes probably called down to the trainers’ room and told them to take the ice off Zit’s foot…
They might wanna consider putting that ice on Bumgarner’s lt. arm. WTF?
Last night was pretty brutal, he was throwing well. And it was not the same strike zone for both.
I’m less worried about Bumgarner this year than last. His stuff looks fantastic. No Jessie Foppert misfortune looming.
I’ve said this before, I’ll say this again. The same fuckheads who say they’ll never vote for Bonds to the HOF are the same fuckheads that kept voting him to MVP awards. Fuckheads.
Posey. Resting today (8 to 5 he pinch hits if the Giants are behind).
NOWhitey. Looking in the mirror. The pride of Vern and Vera. A stern face. His mantra:
I am bravery
I am courage
I am valor
I am daring
I am holding a thesaurus
I wonder if the assault on Brian Stow at Dodger Stadium played a role in MLB taking over from McCourt? I’m guessing it did…
Yes. It did.
Well, I would not be surprised if that might have been the last straw. Not to mention I read in the LA Times that since they bought the Dodgers, the McCourts have been using it as their personal ATM. http://tinyurl.com/3t3qtvh
No surprise; Selig should not be seen as the white knight in this saving of the Dodgers. He had a huge hand in greasing the sale to McCourt, though there was an alternate all-cash buyer at the time, and wiser heads expressed concern that McCourt was a huge risk due to his almost utter lack of contributed equity into the purchase. http://sportsbybrooks.com/dr-selig-forced-to-slay-frankenstein-monster-29647
Thankfully i missed most of last night’s game. A couple of my friends were hosting a party celebrating their last night of cooking down maple sap into mrple syrple. Hot and steamy in the sugar shack. Nice bunch of folks. Tuned into the puter just in time for the middle of the eighth. Stuck around for the first two outs in the bottom of the inning.
Yesterday, i’d remarked that maybe either Hanson or Bumgarner would get back on the beam. It was the wrong one. Weird, but Madison has pitched pretty well this season, but has been haunted by one bad inning. It is something he will work through. Hope it’s sooner. Now as for that Jekyll and Hyde hitting…
Timmy against Hudson in an hour. Liking those odds a bit better, particularly if those %$^^& hitters can give Hudson the early dousing which has been his bete noir so far this season. Get the early edge and we win. Nice formula. Worked last year. Happening so far this season.
Bete noir? Oh you stix
Ted: Something for everyone. Not that everyone will understand everything. But it’s an interesting way to learn ~ or to choose the path of indulgent ignorance. Life is about choices. I choose to remain uberPolly about the Giants, but am not averse to pointing out flaws as i see them. Biggest flaw right now is a lack of consistency at the plate. Biggest plus is that stalwart bullpen. In something like 6 innings last night they give up exactly two hits and a single BB. Now that’s dominant.
Absolutely. Play ball!
The recipe won’t be that different from last year. When it’s said and done, they’ll pitch about the same and hit better. I have little concern about Tejada offensively but his defense is becoming brutal. Fontenot is no answer, Crawford is hurt, and Burriss was dreadful in the field this spring. Don’t know how long they’ll hang with Miggy.Certainly not long if he doesn’t start hitting..
NOWHITEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There’s NO running on NO Whitey. Hose job.
Now I see Bochy’s master plan. Walk ’em all and catch ’em stealing
NoSteal Whitey. Timmy better get himself under control. This LU can be brutal if they get a chance.
I’m not a pitching coach, but if I were I’d tell Tim to throw a double play ball.
Jeeze, Dennis, is there some Leprechaun gene in you? Cubbies, down 8-5 to the LaBumbos, just tied the game against Twins castoff Matt Guerrier.
Rowand and Huff stroke em fairly well, but atem balls. Hudson slipped through his prime danger zone with a ten pitch effort. This one could be a duel.
Tejada hasn’t looked great in the field. No doubt. 4 errors officially in 66 chances gives him dead last on the list of NL regular SSs fielding %, but barely. Theriot and Hanley Ramirez are right with him. Rent has played in only 7 Cincy games. 2 errors in 24 chances. That ain’t great, either. But, he’s hitting better than Tejada so far…
Lincecum’s inning 2 is just one more of those perfect baseball moments we get from him. The weather’s as he likes it. This could be good.
Pat the Bat works the down the liner and Commander Cody drives him in with his first hit of the season. Sweet. Flannery gets a nice assist as 3B coach.
Tejada not much of a match for Hudson’s style of pitching.
NoSteal Whitey drops that bat-head real nice. Extends the inning. Hope they remain caught on to Hudson.
El Presidente with the knock. He’s already done his job for the day, anything else is gravy…
Walking Hudson is inexcusable. SOB was trying to make an out.
Now if Bumgarner can learn to replicate that Houdini act.
God, think if that was Huff out there
Commander Cody is BACK.
Kruk said that shoiuld have been a hit. No way. Prado totally misplayed that ball. Error from the get go…
So where is the head first slide from Eli?
those of us who have him on our fantasy league saw that as a hit all the way.
didn’t touch the 3rd basemans glove and lost on the transfer was already too late.
🙂
5 pitches to get through 3 Giants. Ya gotta do better than that. Lincecum barely sat down before Franchez made the 3rd out…
Who are the Braves playing today?
Oh, how i miss Torres at leadoff. Today’s Braves L.U. is better than the bunch the Giants are running out there. Match gets better if Torres and Buster are there for SF, even considering Chipper being back for Atlanta.
Rally cap time…
Timmy’s been plumb, plain, pure weird today. Death on the middle of the L.U. and goes nibbly on the ends.
A 5 pitch inning followed by 8. We make this shit too easy sometimes.
0-2 cripple. Second time today Tim has pulled that shit on 0-2. Huddy has been the better P today.
The pitch to Prado was up and in, not a strike. The pitch to Gonzalez was a down and in splitter that we’ve seen batters miss more than a few times.
Good throw gets ’em. Fruckie rt. shoulder must still be hurting him. He throws like a fucking girl.
Now the Defense. Sanchez’ shoulder must still be hurting. Poor throw. Timmy got the batter to hit it where he wanted, but he’s haunted today.
Sheezus, Giants D continues the periodic suckage. Franchez with a poor throw the main problem, but Presidente should have caught it and tagged for the out. That should have been an out at home, EZ. Did Giants skip some ST drills or something?…
Even if Eli catches it cleanly Prado avoided the tag. Piss-poor throw from ~ 60 ft is inexcusable.
Dennis. We got an echo chamber happening here.
I’m posting this from a cellphone.
Really nice weather. Game could have gone better. The giveaway item is awesome. The banner is real big. 5′ x 3′. It has a collage of photos of celebration moments in the Giants’ playoff run.
If Franchez’ shoulder is hurting, them get him the F outta there and DL him and put in Fontenot. They just friggin extended him for a year. If a player can’t throw when it’s crunch time and game on the line, then what’s the damn point of being out there?…
McCann is friggin tough…
If you’ve been watching closely on Franchez’s routine throw to first, he’s clearly been “shot putting,” babying” and “Lob tossing” them over. His shoulder isn’t close to being 100%. I agree, put Font in at 2nd.
This games lies on Timmy’s head and his alone. You don’t deserve to win when you walk 5 and give up 0-2 base hits. Piss-poor performance from our ace today.
Excuse me, 6 friggin walks. Have to tip your cap to Hudson today. Damn fine performance.
With a man on it surprises me that Bochy didn’t P.H. for Eli. He got his hit already.
I’ve almost given up figuring out what a strike is anymore. Every umpire has his own precious little damn strike zone, with most of them attempting to NOT call a pitch a strike whenever possible….
As the hacker Rowand heads into his inevitable decline, Burrell looks ready to contribute another 800+ OPS season.
Head scratcher by the Braves. Hudson has only one out to go, then gets pulled? Even if Posey homers, they’re still up by one. Hudson wasn’t too happy…
Forgettable game. Timmy was off, Hudson was on, as usual against the Giants. Team looked listless. Up the middle defense getting concerning. Tejada’s problems we know. Now looks like Franchez can’t throw well. That throw to the plate from the infield grass was terrible. What was that — about an 80′ throw and he can’t even get it there? Timmy gets the grounder, so runner should have been out by five feet with a decent throw. They need to salvage tomorrow to get off on the right foot on the roadie. Ross a definite upgrade in RF from Huff as the starting RFer…
Not certain Chuck is lurking nearby . . . HAPPY 50TH BIRTHDAY CHUCK . . . I HOPE YOU AND YOUR’S HAVE SOMETHING FUN PLANNED FOR YOUR SPECIAL DAY MONDAY!
Well, on the positive side, AT&T Park needed a fresh coat of manure anyway
Gamer reverting to form. 6 for the last 30….
Sooner than usual this season
From AP write-up, good thing Dirrrrrty has until tomorrow to get better and avoid the broom: “Giants Sunday starter Jonathan Sanchez was fighting a flu bug that required him to receive an IV for dehydration, but manager Bruce Bochy expected the left-hander to make his start.”
Despite the RBIs, Huff is a far bigger concern than the Gamer.They got more from Rowand than expected. We can hope that Aubrey is just starting slow again but he has a history of Good Aubrey/Bad Aubrey from year to year.
He did hit the ball very well today.
Happy Birthday Chuck!!
Hey, I ain’t 50 yet… Monday.
BLEEP! I’m adding five years to that.
Belt went deep tonight in his 1st ab for the Grizzlies
Bring him back. Huff ain’t hitting.
Looking like Torres won’t rejoin the club until the next home stand at the earliest. That’s a shitload of ABs for Rowand in the meantime. We might have to trade for a SS and CF.
We aren’t trading for a SS. It’s still fucking April. The Giants would start by giving Font a few games at SS and letting Miggs “clear his head”. Depending on how Font does, and how Miggs does during this time, maybe they trade for a guy in June if both of them flounder.
I’m not worried about Huff for a second. Forget the one on/one off bullshit. This guy was built for ATT, the same way Uribe was. Uribe left for browner pastures. Huff will be fine when this year is all said and done…..
Huff hit two linedrives right at outfielders. Bad breaks.
Bonds woulda made it in without the steroids. Clemens as well. The rest? Probably not. Palmiero is the one I’m on the fence about. McGwire? No way. Same deal with Sosa.
Oh well. Bonds sealed his fate. None of them are getting in.
BOO HOO!
We have a SS who can’t field, and a 2B who can’t throw. Other than that our middle infield is pretty spiffy.
Seems great to me.