The Giants Have Officially Been Eliminated from the Playoffs
Well if you’re gonna get eliminated, get eliminated in style. 15-2. Didn’t leave much doubt with that stinker. I’ve been pretty pessimistic about Surkamp and yesterday’s start didn’t do anything to change my mind. He’s got a SO/BB ratio of 10/15 and that is just atrocious. You can’t hang at this level with that backwards-ass ratio. It’ll be interesting to see what they do for the 5 next year. It can’t be Zito. And I don’t think it’s Surkamp. Sabes might have to find himself another Voggy….
Surprisingly, being eliminated didn’t really bother me a bit. The writing has been on the wall for the last week or so. And the team kept this season *alive* as long as they possibly could. Making it to the 2nd to last series of the year with a shot at making the playoffs was about all we could ask of this broken-down, injured, no-hit team. It’s a shame we wasted a full season of a lights out pitching staff. You can’t count on years like this one being repeated too often….
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Not certain why, but these two quotes come to mind about the end of the Giants season . . .
The gods conceal from men the happiness of death, that they may endure life.
—Lucan
Death— the last sleep? No the final awakening.
—Walter Scott
However, unlike real “death,” baseball is unique in that the eternal hope of spring ALWAYS lies ahead.
That’s now 7 of the last 8 seasons without making the playoffs. This is totally unacceptable!
Just kidding. What a frustrating season from the get-go, almost as if they were never allowed to properly defend their title. Not once having the starting lineup they planned for coming out of spring training. Losing a catcher who probably would have been an All-Star if not for some reckless punk. Watching the magic fade from fan faves such as Huff and Torres. Trading a top pitching prospect for an overrated star who let the team down when he was needed the most.
And finally, watching this tremendous pitching – starters and ‘pen – go to utter waste. In 2009 we could only wonder what these amazing arms could do in the playoffs. Now we know, and that’s what hurts.
I don’t see how Beltran let the team down. He hurt his wrist. He was probably still hurt when he first came back. When he got healthy, he started to rake, and he’s been better than good since. The problem was and is that nobody else but Panda hits. He’s pretty emotionless on the field and in the dugout, which is what he was with the Mets; he’s past his prime defensively; and he watched a called 3rd in LA in a big game; so now he’s considered a bum by a lotta Giants fans. I just think in was a bad fit. Sabes knew the guy’s MO and what he would get and the inherent risks, and got all of that…
If Wheeler turns into a stud for the Mets, and Beltran never sees the home clubhouse at ATT ever again after this Wednesday, which is very likely, this will turn into one of the all time crap moves by Sabes, on an already considerable list of same…
Well, today’s the day I was hoping to take that long trip to Finnerty’s in NYC with contention on my mind. But that will have to wait till next year.
Though things didn’t turn out as expected, I’m as proud as in any of the last 50 years to be a Giants fan.
It’s time to start the spring training countdown and I guess the hysteria of predicting a better season in 2012 will start just after New Years Eve.
So, here’s to the 2012 SF Giants in their quest to take back the title (which under better circumstances would have been theirs to keep this year!)
GO GIANTS!
BLEEP!
Giants #5 guy isn’t a big issue for me; a year ago we had stiffs like Wellemeyer and Bautista manning that position and overcame it. Surkamp wasn’t exactly fooling guys even when he was winning, and in retrospect his first outing might have been his best, not his worst. But with a good enough pen it shouldn’t matter
As one of the NY guys I saw at the meeting told me sympathetically in describing the Giants, “Nobody hit.” Excepting Sando of course, that’s what it boiled down to. I cringe every time I see the word “projections”, because the last couple years I’ve seen so many of the Giants defy them, for better and for worse. Torres? Huff? Sando, who everyone has been wrong about 3 years in a row? Who knows what you are going to get out of these guys, or Ross/Nate, or Posey (who wasn’t having a great year) or FS…or an FA?
The Giants pitching staff (assuming they can hang on to most of them) automatically places them in the NL elite; what they do in order to score more runs will be quite interesting. A b-ball mentor of mine always told me, “You learn more about your team when you lose than when you win.” Watching SF lose at home and on the road to the DBacks, they have not been able to score enough runs to beat them. AZ put runs on the board vs. Giants best either early or late game, SPs and pen guys, and Giants could not respond in kind.
Willie: everybody else may have missed on Panda all 3 years, I missed only last year..
Az won because of David Hernandez, Putz, Kennedy, and Hudson. Last year they blew an astounding 24 of 59 SVO, this year 13 of 70. Staff ERA was down a full run, pen 2 runs. Actually, they hit about the same- 4.5 RPG this year, 4.4 last year…
Why wouild the Giants not be able to hold onto their staff? They own Tim, Matt, Bum, Voggy, Sanchez, Wilson, Romo, Ramirez, Runzler. They’ll have decisions on Affeldt, Mota, I’m not sure about Lopez. 5th starter? I’m not making a career decision on Surkamp base on 5 starts. Obviously they’ll need to figger out what to do with Zits, whether to trade Sanchez, and Vogelsong’s deal.
First Half 6-1 2.17 1.193 WHIP Second 6-6 3.54 1.377 WHIP
2 million one year, club option second year..
At any rate, the core of the staff is under control..
Your comment, Twin, about AZ underscores why I don’t think Upton deserves the MVP: he was surrounded by a better team than Kemp. AZ pitching was much improved, and he didn’t have the likes of Blake, Uribe, Furcal, crummy hitting Cs, and the stiffs in LF that were next to Kemp all year. Kemp has more of everything in terms of stats, including steals, while being an accomplished defensive player. LA was challenging SF for second a week ago; they are not the Astros or Twins. And there aren’t two awards, only one, and I don’t see anyone besides Braun as being more valuable.
Giants have some contract decisions to make re: the PS, starters and pen alike. If they keep everyone, it will impact the payroll (and impact what they spend eveywhere else of course), since some of these guys (like Romo and Vogs) are due for decent raises. The most valuable thing SF has to offer in a trade would be pitching. Sure they own the above you mention, but as you and others have mentioned, there comes a time when you have to decide whether or not to re-up them, and at what cost.
We disagree on MVP. I believe the MVP has to be a guy who actually helps his team accomplish something other than stay out of the cellar.
News on Giants ownership.
http://tinyurl.com/3dtv9ms
Good link Snarkk . . . I’ve never heard of this guy, although I have heard of the investment firm he oversees. I like the fact he is unobtrusive, insofar as day-to-day baseball operations. I also wasn’t aware that Neukom was trying to increase his compensation. Per my understanding of California politics/business issues, Mattier and Ross are fairly reliable sources.
They’e local SF and Sac state capitol muckrackers. I would generally trust their stuff. I read the stuff before about Neukom wanting more comp, and I find it hard to believe. Maybe there’s a kernel there, but more of a smokescreen than reality, I surmise. Why would a guy reportedly worth north of half a $billion agitate for a few more million for whatever it was that he did? Ego? I dunno, that just doesn’t make sense to me…
For those who want something that transcends sports, stroll over to Room B, Baseball as Therapy.
Not sure what’s worse, watch Giants get smoked 15-2, or watch Niners v. Bengals in a so-called NFL game.
I think it’s Niners….
Niners suck! Yuck! Crabtree looks like a bust. Of course no training camp and it shows.
Not all stains are bad. The 2010 World Series stained me throughout this year, a spiritual tattoo. An imprint “felt along the blood,” to borrow from William Wordsworth. I knew that a repeat as World Champs was unlikely; it always is, for any team. I knew the owners and decision makers had a tough challenge: to bottle alchemy and to keep it simmering — knowing some guys had career years last year, knowing you cannot stand still, knowing that alchemy does not tolerate new ingredients easily. So, the hurrahs of the victory parade echoed into spring. We had hope. May is a great memory to me. Comeback wins against the Rockies, Willie Mays’s 80th, contagious excitement at Cooperstown in a pilgrimage to see The Trophy. A communion of camaraderie. Chants of “Freddie, Freddie, Freddie!” And new, wonderful connections — not just any ol’ fan with an SF cap East Coast version, but pretty much. We clawed to first place. After taking two of three in July from the Phils, I thought the Giants would coast. I’d taunt Yankees or Phillies fans. “We are the reigning World Champs. You are not.” But one morning I walked into Freedom of Espresso and Ken W., lawyer and Cards fan, said, “Did you hear about Buster?” Talk about a rude awakening. But this was the season of one keyword: basking (and its variants: bask, basker, Bask Separatists, baskitude, baskilicious). We all knew nothing could rob us of that. no thing. So, thanks to you folks and the Giants. This will always be my Season of Bask. It always had that shiny stain. Always will. Still does. A sheen of Something. (And only a real Giants fan know what that Something is.)
…only a real Giants fan knows…
Ya’ know, last night was a dauber down kinda night. Getting creamed like that, that crazy ass ump thing, and a celebration in your face in one game was a shitload of reality and “it wasn’t meant to be” all in one game. But, when I look at the pic above of that super cool WS ring, the dauber stiffens. If Neukom had anything to do with that ring design, for that reason alone he should have stayed another year…
NIners get the ugly win, and hey, 2-1 in a weak division. Making the playoffs would be huge for the 49ers, and something for them to hopefully build on.
Baseball is a funny game. Colorado Rockies are in the midst of a 9 game losing streak and today, they are winning 19-1 over the ‘stros.
It doesn’t seem as if Timmy has it today.
Hater.
LQTM
It may not have been scintillating but a win on the road in the NFL ain’t easy. And they won it with a late drive and despite continuing OL problems. Good win.
totally. Only a dumbshit dofus inbred would refuse to celebrate a road win in the NFL and choose, instead, to spread more misguided hate towards Alex Smith. I think the thing they’re most upset about is that Smith is playing decent and helping them win games. Again, regardless of your opinion of Smith, if you’re a Niner fan why wouldn’t you hope he does well (which he’s been doing) instead of continuing the same baseless rant over and over? Are they Niner fans or not?
BF has strong points!
Twin right again.
Twin, something I’ve never understood: Why is it that when a blogger tries to put me down he always makes some immediate connection to you and I being one in the same and always having the same opinions about things. Huh? Our disputes are well documented, right? And in the putdowns, why is it that I’m always your girlfriend or your bitch? You’re never my girlfriend or my bitch. I’m waiting for a troll to refer to us as “Big Flavor and his domestic partner Twinfan” or something like that. It would seriously increase my attention to their rants if they did something like that. 🙂
Slam dunk post of the day. Wait. Better yet, this should be the manifesto or forward for the Flap Blog.
Steve“ my first experience with blogging was at the Splash back in April 2007. For about a year I took all that shit personally and used to get all pissed off if someone talked shit to me on a blog. I realized that shit talking on a blog, especially threatening someone, is just stupid. And I was doing it too. All it does is make you look like a pussy. I am 100% certain that these trolls that talk shit to me on my blog wouldn’t say that shit to my face. And if they are THAT big of a pussy then it’s not something to get infuriated with it’s something to laugh out loud about (or LQTM if the post calls for it 🙂 ). I will certainly still get emotionally charged about the content of a post if I’m pissed off at what the blogger writes about my *opinion* but I could give less than 2 shits about some pussy that says he would *bitch slap* me, if given the chance. Uh, no dude, ya wouldn’t. I’m 6’6 240, I still bench 225 10 X, I’m licensed in 3 different restraint techniques and I work closely with law enforcement. I would LOVE to see how that bitch slap would go. LQTM…..
Even Mickey and Zeke aren’t my bitches.. wait, now I’m geeting depressed. Anybody want to be my bitch? It’s cush duty right now- No bitch slapping, maybe some bitch whiffing. A good meatloaf, that’s it. I don’t even have room in the bed, so you’re cool there. Zeke would bite you if you tried to get fresh.
Laughing more than out loud. Yeah, it always cracks me up when people make physical threats. Besides your point of being physically in better shape than 99.9 % of the U.S. population, what are they going to do – fly across the country and try to locate you in the Los Altos phone book? Ludicrous.
Now don’t go verbally ballistic on me Twin, but I know that physically you are past your milk “use before this date.” No doubt, at one time this probably wasn’t the case. That being said, I haven’t met anyone yet that has gotten the rise out of me the way you did when I initially met you on this blog approximately two years ago. I was introduced to the Flap by Chuck (whom we haven’t seen here in over a year) and he told me that this place was Nirvana compared to the Splash . . . Fast forward to a couple of weeks at the Flap and I am ready to fly out to California and choke/cold cock Twin. Frankly, I still haven’t figured him out completely, but I try to remember:
“Before enlightenment; chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment; chop wood, carry water.”
🙂
Steve– I think I’ve told you this but maybe not. I’ve got several motivational quotes or interesting sayings tacked up on my wall at work. Maybe 20 of them? Two of them are cut and paste jobs from YOU at the Flap when you were quoting someone. You have that shit down, my man.
One way to tell if a pitcher is right or not is to check their SO to BB ratio. There is no better way to measure dominance and control. Timmy was all about 7-8-9K’s, 10K’s, 13K’s a few times, until his Aug 13th starts (when he had 10K’s). Since then he’s had 8 starts and here are his K totals for each game: 7,7,4,7,6,6,5,3. He didn’t have a stretch like that at any point in the season. For the year, he’s still over a K an inning. But the last 8 starts he’s averaging about 5 and 1/2 K’s a game (I did that in my head so correct me if I’m wrong). To be clear: this is not an excuse for him. In fact, I thought he pitched awesome this year. I contained my criticism of him to his failures against Kershaw and I supported that criticism with a totally unprovable theory, just my opinion, about how ace v ace games are different than *normal pitcher* games. All I’m saying is, he could be a little dinged up. The drop in SO’s would support that….
Well, you missed your chance, Blade. All I can say in my defense is 5 years of new cancers on top of old ones can take a toll. I’m not the sweet guy that any of my wives would say I am.. if paid well for their testimony.
Nah . . . People like Flav and Pawlie made me see the error of my ways. Moreover, I know (like your ex-wives) that you are actually a marshmallow. Besides, I got gifted the speed demon “does everything except make my morning coffee” pc . . . What am I going to say?
you discovered it within, my child
Chuckles and I probably blogged first, and Nipper. Chuck is also extremely opinionated. I think Craig shortly followed.They both resent me because I know so much more than they do… seriously, the old Splash had no standards whatsoever- now the really bad stuff either doesn’t get through or is deleted right away. On the old Splash, pretty much anything was good- it was like SFGate let us all in and then locked the door, figuring we’d kill each other. Ive been banned a couple times, but the honcho and I eventually came to have a good relationship, via EMail. He wants to can the moderation team, who are independent contractors. They’ve ruined the blog even more than the trolls. They delete posts for no good reason. As far as the Flap, there are a couple guys I have major problems with but by and large I think I have very cordial relations with nearly all. Of course, I bribed them for their agreement 😉
BTW, glad the PC is running well for you. I haven’t had any complaints yet, Craig had a bad SATA cable, and I have Stixs’ here now- it seems something may have gone amiss during a power outage. I’m sending him a new one this week , unless he keeps ragging on Bochy ( another Smiley)
The greatest way to live with honor in this world is to be what we pretend to be. -Socrates
Fill in the blank, I pretend to be __________?
The 49er QB wore a SF Giant hat during his postgame press conference.
That’s Gene Siskel and Roger Ebert in my book.
Question – My pc has a feature called “AMD Vision Control Center” which controls the CPU and video card. Unbeknownst to me (until last week), under the “Performance” tab, you can overclock your video card, it you agree to their agreement (which essentially says they are not liable and it gives you all these warnings insofar as your CPU and video card potentially going kaput by doing so. Obviously, I didn’t take the bait and overclock my pc. Moreover, I really don’t need the power, since I don’t play games as much as I use to. So, my question is, “is it safe?”*
*Reminds me of what Laurence Olivier kept saying to Dustin Hoffman in Marathon Man while pulling out his frickin’ teeth with pliers.
Blade, overclocking is really just for shits and giggles. And you really need a high end CPU cooler and maybe a third party fan for your video card. I’d look to upgrading the video card before I’d risk overclocking. What card do you have now, I forget?
Graphics Chipset ATI Radeon HD 5670
braggart
LQTM
Logically, the next upgrade would be the HD 5770. But if you’re happy with card you have, the only reason to upgrade would be if someone in the family was interested in heavy gaming. Just FYI, the 5770 is about $130, cards run up to $700 or more.
The processor is AMD Athlon II X3 445 processor 3.10 ghz
watch yer feckin language, Buster!
Perdone (Damn. Those Spanish lessons are kicking in quick).
How the fuck can I get on Magnus’s motivational wall? I usually steal from my quote-a-day Zen Calendar, with gems put on my own wall.
“Only in the present do things happen.” — Jorge Luis Borges [big fan of him in my youth]
Since I saw a 5-0 score this afternoon, I’ve not rechecked. Too deflating.
Go, Joe Maddon and your Rays!
Pawlie— making the wall is no great shakes. 4 of the 20 are quotes I made up. True story…
Magnus, another big reason for you to be a Joe Maddon fan. He puts up the same sort of stuff, real or made up, around the Rays clubhouse.
I good one for me? “MALL TITS.”
I just got home and saw the score, then checked here to read your posts: only one had anything to do with the game. And yet, you were all, again, a good read.
I was glad to see Torres well-hit double last night and his two hits today. Like to see him end on a high note.
Like I said, I have no interest in doing so . . . besides, as you said, I would have to upgrade the fan and add another one too. The video card I have now is working fine. By the by, today is a perfect example . . . with football season upon us. I had ESPN’s real time LaunchCast (I think it’s called) running for one of my FL football teams, plus 3 yahoo real time Statcasters for my 2 baseball teams and 1 football team. PC was huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg like it could also run NASA mission control in Houston too. 😉
Addendum to last post: while we have three games to go, Flav, thanks again for hosting this ‘community’ of souls.
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Yes, can’t repeat such gratitude too often. Community of souls is perfect. But take the quotes off community because that means so-called. It ain’t no so-called no how. It’s a community here.
since we are “testifying,” I’ll retell my story, how I got here. In 2009, I believe [could be 2008?], I was at the Splash every now and then as Don Taussig, and Schulman on the Splash posted about Bumgarner coming up because Timmy hurt his back or something. Somewhere in there he gave props to The Flap as his source. Or someone at The Flap, which had an exclusive scoop about it. With a link.
The rest is herstory, girlies.
I forget the details now, but I once got cited as a source for a MLB trade rumor. I have no idea how it was picked up and why “Twinfan” was considered a reliable source. I don’t believe it was Lincecum for Rios 😉
It’s a hazy memory, but I seem to recall Mr Sports Dude as the guy who tipped that off. He knew a guy, who knew a guy, etc. It might have also been San Dawg but I am going with my first answer: Mr Sports Dude….
Blade, I stuck an answer way up there:
“Logically, the next upgrade would be the HD 5770. But if you’re happy with card you have, the only reason to upgrade would be if someone in the family was interested in heavy gaming. Just FYI, the 5770 is about $130, cards run up to $700 or more.”
yes, thank you
Flav, you watching Yanks Boston? I realize it might last til midnight, but great theater, and even more riding on the outcome since sox are hanging by a thread. I like Francona, but as far as i’m concerned the rest of everything Boston (except rajon rondo) can join that satellite that crashed.
it crashed? it must’ve missed me
No, I’m not. I have both games taped though so don’t give anything away. I haven’t followed an inning of baseball today or looked at a website with info. It was all football.
Just looked at Baseball as therapy again. Every one of you have written brilliantly and with passion. I’m in awe. I intend to save it all in case a crash or such wipes it out. Really great stuff.
ESPN is showing something called Field of Dreams. Not certain if it’s new or a rerun. Caught it at midstream I think (was watching 60 minutes).
What a weird ass year this has been for me, Mother Nature and the Baseball Gods teamed up on me like a red headed step child. I had the Giants winning the Division in a slam dunk, a Slam Nipper Bleeping DUNK.
Well, I guess it’ll be light Baseball therapy for the rest of the year while I continue to clean-up after Mother. 2012, back to full therapy and the playoffs.
Flav, the quote I had on my wall at work was from Doctor Hunter S. ” When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro”.
you know, after that hurricane hit you I looked up your general address on google and hit images, just to get an idea of what environment you were dealing with. I forget why I had your address. Oh, did I give it to Loo for something? Whatever, I can’t remember. I found some images that had to have been within a few blocks of where you lived. They were sunstruck days, no hurricane in sight, just random pictures uploaded by people over the last couple of years. Looks like a cool place to live on the water. Anyway, I spent a decent amount of time just looking at the images and imagining what Bozo the Clown, a man I’ve never met, must have gone through during that disaster. I think last year (or the year before) you had to deal with a major fire and this year a hurricane. It’s wasn’t easy to look at those images of such a peaceful, serene beach landscape and think about all the shit you had to go through for both of them. I guess I’m just trying to say, that even though we’re done for the season and it’s *wait till next year*, the bond we have to our team and each other is *rock solid* and I’m grateful for this place and all that you regulars do to make it the most unique, best Giants blog anywhere on the internet….
Craig, the fire was this year. First we had a tornado just miss us, then the wildfire missed us by about a mile and went on for months, an earthquake hit Richmond and folks said they felt it here (I didn’t), the eye of a hurricane went overhead and we made out okay but the flood surge after, well it came up about five feet and my house is only up three. So Mother Nature got us on that one. Didn’t get any locust, but the aftermath of the storm was monster mosquitoes and flies, standing water and dead crabs and whatnot on everybodys lawns (hell, I had a dead fucking flounder on my driveway), so instead of locusts eating the crops the bugs were eating us.
I’ll be sending you the last place prize for the Fantasy league, I’ll include a few photos that you might get a kick out of.
Flav: I believe the guy that broke the Bumgarner story was “CalStim25” or something close to that…
that’s it…brilliant
Loo! God dammit, as usual, you are right. He was that college kid from Santa Barbara or Chico or where ever. I liked that dude, bummed he’s gone….
Yes, I am incredibly briliant. But until I take a creative writing course I may have to stay out of the new Room B. BLEEP!
“Bleep!”–Loo, you struck pure gold again! That was a classic post though not POTD worthy. I’m too overwhelmed with the quality of Room B right now to bother with regular POTD updates…..
Well, the Niners are more promising than they’ve been in years, so that should help this winter. What’s nice up here, it’s “Big Sky” country, apologies to Montana. Even during heavy rains it’s not claustrophobic, as in the city. Of course, there’s nowhere to *go* but I haven’t been closing the clubs for a few years anyway. I’ll root for the DBacks with the Brewers as my back up. I want the WS over and get back to the Hot Stove League. Who might they get? Who’s gone? I’ll do something in “B” on my guesses.
Truly sorry to see Tim finish with a losing record. Life can be cruel..
I took some shit out of Room B. It was cluttering up the SDG and the Baseball as therapy spots. Those stay. The POTVPTKDJFJDPD thing never really took off. Probably too long of an acronym. Note to self. I left the archives up there because there were some good ones. Nobody won the $50 safeway card since you all ended in a tie (a 9 way tie). If you want i’ll send you each $5.50 or you could just say “thank you for the blog, Flav”. Me? I’m headed back to Room B. What’s cool about a thread like that is that there are late posts in response to older posts that make it like a whole new read again….
Mike, something struck me about, “Truly sorry to see Tim finish with a losing record. Life can be cruel.”
Preface this by saying, that perhaps it should be posted in the “Baseball as Therapy” room, but you mentioned it here, so here it will stay. Do any of you recall feeling depressed or crestfallen (as a child or even as an adult) when one of your baseball heroes didn’t perform per a certain standard that either they had established in their career or was a baseball “mark of excellence” for hitting, pitching, running and/or defensive stats? You can also list where they almost didn’t meet the statistical standard. I will give you my own examples:
For me:
1. Mickey Mantle not hitting .300 for his career.
2. Juan Marichal not winning a Cy Young award.
3. Hank Aaron overtaking my idol, Willie Mays in total career home runs (made especially hurtful because my best friend in grade school loved Hank Aaron and I never heard the end of it after Aaron passed Mays).
4. Team category – Giants coming in 2nd place numerous times in the 1960s, but always the bridesmaid.
5. Willie Mays having a less than stellar World Series experience, other than “the catch.”
6. Team category – Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, and Juan Marichal being traded from the Giants.
7. Any year Juan Marichal didn’t win at least 20 games.
8. Gaylord Perry winning 20 games, but losing more than 10 (9 was always the demarcation in my mind). 1970 he was 23-13 and 1972 with the Indians, he was 24-16. I think in 1974 he was 21-13 too.
Not listed because I know the power of prayer (mine) ensured it didn’t happen:
1. Willie Mays almost not having a batting average of over .300 for his career.
2. Non-baseball category – Joe Montana winning his 4th Superbowl and cementing his title (in my mind) as the greatest football player ever.
3. Negative non-baseball category – Tom Brady losing the Superbowl against the NY Giants, ensuring that he would have one loss and less than 4 Superbowl rings, validating my argument that Joe Montana is the greatest football player ever (grin).
Some might consider the “cruel” line to be dismissive of his misfortune, it wasn’t intended that way- but in a way, I suppose it was. He’s had a pretty spectacular early career- just look at some of the people on your list- Stretch never won a WS, Juan never a CY.. not to mention the misfortune of a Dravecky, the long lost promise of a Foppert… Tim’s career has been golden..
Everyone has to go into the Baseball as Therapy room and check out Flav’s 6:21pm post.
I HAVEN’T LAUGHED SO MUCH IN WEEKS!
“Thank you for the blog, Flav.” You’re sending $5.50 my way just to say thank you?
I can’t deny that. That’s like free money blowing in the wind coming my way. My Way?
“The record shows, I took the blows, and did it…. my way…”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeFiXnEBvBg&feature=related
I started watching–I mean Frank, and the song, are classics–but then Sid Vicious’ version came to mind and I had to quit…
Nice FG to tie it up. We got a good football game on our hands…
Could you believe that Collinsworth said: “Peyton Manning is one of the best, if not THE best football player of all time”? THE best? Seriously, does anyone here even have Manning in their top 10 ten of all time?….top 25? P. Manning is such a media darling; the disconnect between the media and the fans around the country on this is a massive gap.
Agree Zumie . . . as I alluded to in my earlier post, I use to take umbrage when the media said that crap about Tom Brady (who at least had 3 Superbowl rings to his credit). Ironically, I do think that Peyton Manning is a better football player than Brady, but has been handicapped by a less than stellar defense most years. However, both don’t hold a candle to Joe Montana, who could move in the pocket (which they don’t do as well) and was a very accurate passer. My argument to people who say that Montana was surrounded by a great cast is SEE 1981. That team was not expected to even make the playoffs, much less win a Superbowl. The running attack was mediocre as well. In any event, it’s all my opinion/perception and you know what they say about truth . . . In the absence of truth, perception becomes reality.
I’d go 10. And if I spend a little time on it I might bounce him down to 12 or 13
Obviously you lower your standards when the 49ers aren’t playing. That was for DTD..
Manning is not in the top 10 of QB’s of all time. And that’s not even debatable. I’ll debate it lateer if you want but I have shit to deal with right now. Tomorrow, if you want to throw out your argument, I’ll get to mine sometime in the pm.
Before you guys ask, like any of you give a shit. I saw Frank LIVE three times in my lifetime. Twice at the MGM in Reno, and the best finale money could buy at the Circle Star in Redwood City on my mother’s B-Day.
“The record shows…l took the blows… and did it MY WAY…”
Guys like Unitas and Otto Graham played when it was a completely different game. Pretty hard to make comparisons against Joe, who never played in anything but a WCO as a pro…
Vegas loved it when Frank played- he’d lose more money than he was paid..and he was paid a lot.
I went to the circle star once, drove by it a ba-zillion times headed to bay meadows. Saw Gallagher. He wasn’t funny and disguised that flaw by smashing watermelons all over us. At the time, it seemed reasonable for $30. I look back on it now and declare us all fools for falling for the bad joke/watermelon distraction hoodwink gag
Yeah, that guy did the takeoff on “it slices, it dices, blah, blah, blah.” He also jumped on a trampoline while telling yuk yuks I think.
From AP:
“Arch West, a retired Frito-Lay marketing executive credited with creating Doritos as the first national tortilla chip brand, has died in Dallas at age 97.”
Sheezus, 97? Tomorrow, I’m going out to buy a half dozen family size bags of Nacho Cheese Doritos…