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Channeling Your Inner Hate

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on October 15, 2012

This was not a good weekend for Bay Area sports. The Cardinal got completely jobbed by the review booth to give one of my most despised teams a gratis win. The Raiders lost on a last second field goal. The Niners….ugh, I can’t even type another word about whatever THAT was at Candlestick yesterday. San Jose State lost. Cal won. And The Giants lost Game 1 to the Fucking St Louis Cardinals. It was all bad and it had me doing a slow burn as I went to bed last night…….

Something has awakened within me and it’s none of that  fuzzy-wuzzy  *supernova* shit from 2010. It’s my genuine hate for the St Louis Cardinals. I especially don’t like their fans. For starters, they think they’re *better* fans than everyone else. There’s a myth out there that if you’re from the mid west you’re somehow a better fan than those from bigger city east/west coast teams. Of course, that’s a joke.

The Cardinals are no better or worse than Giants fans. Except this guy. Who doesn’t want to punch him in the face?

And maybe it’s just me still managing my slow burn from last night, but what’s up with the 2 birds perched delicately on each end of the baseball bat? Not exactly an imposing look.

But without question my hatred of the Cardinals goes back to the 1987 NLCS. As Zumie noted so eloquently in his post yesterday, that series is a memory that will always be with me. That ’87 team had all the great Giants names on it. Clark, Leonard, Williams, Thompson, Uribe, Brenly, Maldonado, etc….

St Louis had Jose Oquendo. If you don’t hate Jose Oquendo you’ve either got dementia or you haven’t been a Giants fan long enough…..

Here’s a fantastic tribute to my main man Will Clark. There are some epic scenes from Candlestick in this video, enjoy. At the 4:07 mark you will find the ’88 brawl. Will over-slid that bag by about 14 feet, lol.

http://youtu.be/c6mYKTk7ytw

That was one of the great fights in sports history, if you ask me. There wasn’t any dancing around or waiting for the guy next to you to hold you back. Will threw down immediately, with great force and furious anger–and his teammates exploded into that 4 on 1 fight like they were shot out of a cannon…….

I want the 2012 Giants to find the same fire that the ’87 guys had the day of that fight. I’m not doubting their effort or their resolve, with Hunter Pence screaming at them I’m assuming they are properly motivated. But if they could somehow channel some of the fight and the fire from the ’88 team it might give the 2012 crew that little something *extra*.

And if a fight breaks out between these two teams I am BEGGING for someone to take out Oquendo. He’s an old man now so maybe punching him is a little too much–Bochy body slamming him the way Pedro did Zimmer would be sufficient. You have no idea how big I’d smile if that happened……

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Zumie had asked about my baseball card box. Here’s a pic of the Oquendo card that I fished out of the recycling and put back together for this photo–and you can also see the 4 unopened packages from 1990 (that he was also wondering about) 🙂 . I also found a Marc Kroon rookie card, which I thought was funny, for some reason. I think that dude is now the all time saves leader in Japan…….

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  1. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Nice.
    We just need one win in 3 to bring it back home. Let’s get at least that done.
    Vogy with 7 strong. That was absolutely key. The Pagan HR early also set the tone. If he gets action going, the Giants roll. Hoperfully, Scutaro is good to go for Wed…

  2. eddacker's avatar eddacker said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    good to see Affeldt out there, now we have to worry about Marco

  3. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Voggy and Pagan— they BROUGHT it tonight. And Scoots, too. I’m worried we’re going to hear about something that ends his season tomorrow. If so, he went out strong. A GREAT Giant, no matter what that MRI reveals.

  4. eddacker's avatar eddacker said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Giants are 1-3 in PO games at phone park. IF needed 3-3 wins the series and on to the WS

  5. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    I’ve backed Casilla as the closer but I’m on the Romo train now…

  6. Alleykat's avatar Alleykat said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Guess Pagan expects to play all 7 games here.After Erin Andrews had to correct him about tomorrow being a travel day to St Looey.

    • PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:30 pm

      who could blame him after tonight? interestingly, I thought of Twin’s comment about his catch against the Reds. In fact he did miss the same type of play today and was backed up by Pence. But things worked out. i’m loving Pagan. Fox guys said he scored more runs than anybody else since early August, ever since becoming leadoff.

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:31 pm

        Pagan’s agent is happy. His offseason will be profitable…

  7. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Just turned on the football game . . . Fucking Manning brings back the Broncos??????????? Unfrickingbelievable.

  8. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    If Scoots is done, and I really think he is, then Pence will just turn this into a new rally cry. And while we would miss him, we have a fresh Theriot ready to go.
    We’ll be fine. We can lose anyone and we’ll be fine. This team is too tightly woven together to get killed with a loss of one……

  9. PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:25 pm

    Don’t feel good about Scutaro’s injury. Talk about a gamer! And now I’m seeing on Twitter that Pagan was saluting OUR dugout. Which was it? I couldn’t tell. He was great on post-game w/ Erin Andrews when asked about the slide by Holliday. Said he didn’t see the video, knows the other team plays hard, etc. Very diplomatic. Very articulate fellow. My new bromance, Angel Pagan. Sweeeeeet. Tony singing while Vogey interviewed.

  10. Locojuan's avatar Bozo said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Now that was fun!

    Instead of I Left My Heart tonight, I’m thinking the DKs Holiday In Cambodia.

  11. eddacker's avatar eddacker said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    I am thinking these BP sessions could be good for TL
    You know? break up his routine/habits. He has been struggling to _get_back_where he was start after start.
    Maybe now he can just move on from _where_he _is.
    a line in the sand so to speak?

    • PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:32 pm

      exactly; it could well be some sort of magical genius reset calibration voodoo oxymoronic hoochie chihuahua mojo for Timmeh!

      • eddacker's avatar eddacker said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:38 pm

        at the very least.
        Or it could be
        spin-around, take the blindfold off, I’m lost, wander this way, then that. Wake up smell the coffee and follow that smell all the way to a WS win; watch out for lightning. fuck you Bozo

  12. ewisco's avatar ewisco said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    huge victory. mrs. vogs is the man!! well, she helps.

  13. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Blanco says he thinks Scutaro will be OK…

  14. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:30 pm

    Anybody notice that Timmeh stayed in the stretch for all ABs yesterday?
    I’m sure you did…

    • PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:34 pm

      Noticed it very much. No matter what happens from here on out, I truly believe he will be better at holding runners in his career. He HAS TO think about it differently. #timmyreset

  15. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Yeah, I don’t see Scutaro needing nothing more than physical therapy treatment by the trainer, sauna, massage and a blow job – not necessarily in that order either.

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:34 pm

      Blade, I’ve seen Scutaro’s wife, I’ve met her. She’s a doll.
      Rest assured, she’ll take care of him…

      • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:38 pm

        If so, then he is healed.

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:40 pm

        You’re the expert on the chicas… 😉

  16. denniszu's avatar denniszu said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    A win is great.. but it’s going to take a lot more convincing that the team can rally if Scoots is OUT.
    He was THE MAN to drive this offense… If Pablo, Buster and Hunter were showing more offense in the
    post season I might be able to sleep better….. time for a prayer….

  17. PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Ever so slightly disappointed my man Arias didn’t get in.

  18. Fugazi's avatar Fugazi said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:36 pm

    Phillip Rivers = Biggest choke artist in Football next to Jay Cutler.

    What a loser

  19. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    It’s a team full of gamers…
    Damn,I’m miles and miles from Pinole and I can clearly hear Denny screaming. with joy…. about Manning.

    • eddacker's avatar eddacker said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:42 pm

      I’ve got my bromance going with Belt tonight. gotta get me a Belt Jersey at the sports shop.
      And then get him to sign it

    • Sarge's avatar Sarge said, on October 16, 2012 at 6:25 am

      Wow, I live in Pinole. That’s what that noise was.

  20. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:38 pm

    The early report was that it was NOT a knee or ankle for Scutaro, but some muscles higher up. Good to hear it was not an issue with the wheels…

  21. wswin's avatar wswin said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    inspiring performances tonight…Vogey, Scutaro. Xrays on the hip negative. more tests tomorrow.

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:45 pm

      Yep, and Bochy says the slide by Holliday was “illegal”.
      Game fuckin’ ON….

      • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:50 pm

        No shit snarkk????? OH MY! OH MY! Wednesday’s game will be intense.

  22. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    OK, so the next game sets up perfectly. We have Cainer going with normal rest. Equally important, I think this is the game were Posey, Pence, and Panda finally get off the schneid (hey, I’ve heard that word before). I think Twin said this in an earlier post. A perfect storm is brewing folks and I think we will be hitting on ALL cylinders come Wednesday – our 1st tier players will finally catch up with our 2nd tier position players. Pity the poor Cardinals.

  23. Fugazi's avatar Fugazi said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    Later gang….

  24. TedSpe's avatar TedSpe said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Beautiful Star Spangled Banner.
    Excellent performance from Vogy.
    Holliday’s a fucking cheap-shot pussy and his fucking lousy defense was all you need to know.
    Giants took advantage of mistakes as they should.
    Loverly offense and defense.
    But I think Bruce Bochy, who found the Hamilton slide “illegal” summarized it best during his post-game interview:

    • Locojuan's avatar Bozo said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:06 pm

      Now who can argue with that?

      • tedspe's avatar tedspe said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:08 pm

        REVRETT!!!

  25. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    Kruk is Pissed Off!
    He says Holliday’s slide was “bush”, and it got the Giants torqued.
    I love this. Giants v. Cards = classic playoff shit…

  26. tedspe's avatar tedspe said, on October 15, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    The Cardinals are no better or worse than Giants fans. Except this guy. Who doesn’t want to punch him in the face?
    ————————————————————————————-
    Sorry for the lateness but this was the first chance I got today to go on the Flap and that was fucking funny, Flav!!!!

    • Locojuan's avatar Bozo said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:08 pm

      Yeah, I agree. I never got past the DIE on the guy’s tee-shirt.

  27. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    The slide was dirty and this is an issue McCarver is right about and he’s been one of the very few media people to speak out against the Cousins play and propose a rule to protect catchers from mayhem.
    But I think the best way to retaliate against Holliday and the Cards is just as we did tonight- whip their assses.

    • tedspe's avatar tedspe said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:13 pm

      REVRETT

  28. unca_chuck's avatar unca_chuck said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Bingo. As good as it would feel short term to fuck with Holliday (Mota with 95 in his fucking ribcage WOULD feel great), there’s no reason to give the Cards a rallying point of their own. Just beat the smug out of that fucking town, those fucking fans, that fucking team, and especially that FUCKING 3rd base coach, Jose Okendo ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

    I think the G’s take 2 of 3 and win game 6 at home.

    GREAT fucking nails game by Vogeltron. When he’s dealing inside and out, no one hits him hard. Except for the opposing pitchers, it seems.

  29. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    Also disgusting was Holliday’s reaction after he took Marco out- barely a glance at a guy he knew was injured, He almost appeared to look down, sneer, and trot away feeling the injury was a job well done..

    • PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:29 pm

      Oquendo redux.

    • tedspe's avatar tedspe said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:42 pm

      Agree, twin. He looked like a fuckhead casually noting his prey.
      Fuck him and the contract he rode in on

  30. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    I just watched replays of the Holliday slide.
    Total bullshit, that was a bogus play.
    Game fuckin ON….

  31. PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    G’night, girls. (Any suggestions how to calm down within the framework of local community moral standards and recent Supreme Court decisions? hahahahahahaha) Go, Giants! TOGETHER WE ARE CARDINAL PLUCKERS.

    • tedspe's avatar tedspe said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:39 pm

      Careful, Pawlie. I realize your reticence to use swear words. But here in California..pluckers has a…sort of Hispanic skew 😉

  32. PawlieKokonuts's avatar PawlieKokonuts said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    from ESPN and STATS LLC:

    “Vogelsong doubled in the sixth to become the first Giants pitcher to get a postseason extra-base hit since Jack Bentley homered in the 1924 World Series.”

    G’night.

    Again.

  33. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    KNBR just played the KMOX radio feed of the Holliday take out.
    “Clean play”…. the second baseman is down and “just winded”…
    FUCK YOU Mike Shannon, ya’ putz!…

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:40 pm

      I want Kuiper and Shannon to tangle in St. Louis…

  34. tedspe's avatar tedspe said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    Saint Louis
    San Francisco
    Two names denoting paragons of Catholic faith.
    But—it appears one city is a little too insecure to embrace the español.
    Who could that be now?
    Happy for the win. Pissed about Scutaro.
    I need to take a deep breath and return with a clean head.
    That’s why I bought asthma medicine and shampoo.
    Goodnight, gentlemen ( question mark)

  35. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on October 15, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    Even if you forget everything else about the slide. it’s flat out dirty because it was past the bag. Besides his rep as a dirty player, Hollidayseems to have a penchant for choking defensively in the postseason.
    Remember this one?

  36. willedav's avatar willedav said, on October 15, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    Blade, honest I didn’t see anything til blanco, the diving catch the tag that wasn’t etc. SF was up 5-1 at that point. dunno what to say…I watch em they suck…i don’t they romp. Guess I’ll hibernate til the parade.

  37. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on October 15, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    There’s also one of those totally silly but funny Hitler videos- this time reacting violently to Pujols leaving the Cards. Love the part where one of the office girls consoles a sobbing co-worker- “it’s not so bad. We still have Berkman’

  38. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on October 15, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    BF, I see those unopened packets of cards, and I’m still pondering, and….Marc Kroon?? I had to look that up. He had a “career” record of 0-2, with a 7.43 ERA. Now, that was a card best left in its packet….(grin)

  39. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on October 15, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    This might be a dumb question (probably is), does baseball ever suspend guys for flagrant stuff at bases like that? There has to be SOME limit on what someone can do going into a base; but other than calling an automatic doubleplay, is a suspension ever doled out, especially if the flagrant play caused an injury? Football and basketball both will suspend players for flagrant stuff. Baseball will suspend for out and fighting, or charging the mound, or whatever, but what about dirty plays like Holliday’s? There should be a possibility of suspension. Even just a one-game suspension. But, I know, baseball is notoriously weak on this kind of stuff, at the commissioner level.

  40. Sportdude's avatar Sportdude said, on October 15, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    If it motivates us great, but i have to laugh a little. I just watched the Thrill take out a Cardinal. Were any of us saying “hey that”s a bull shit slide. Way past the base! Nope.

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on October 15, 2012 at 10:25 pm

      Yeah, but there was some retaliation going on there by Thrill. There was already some bullshit under the bridge at that point. Nothing had happened so far in this series to deserve that bullshit take out by Holliday….

    • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on October 15, 2012 at 10:52 pm

      I’ve also seen many comments equating Nate’s take out in the Olympics with the Cousins play. But the catcher there was blocking the plate….
      Loved Nate’s comment about the food in China,,,””The food is definitely not P.F. Chang’s and Panda Express,” he said. “I don’t know how I’d survive out there if I had to eat..”
      Yeah, that food in Floence is nuttin like the Olive Garden, either, Nate…

      • eddacker's avatar eddacker said, on October 16, 2012 at 2:21 am

        the menus are in fuckiing Italian – WTF, Firenze?

  41. ChiPower's avatar ChiPower said, on October 15, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Well, that was one sweet-ass game. I had agility class tonight (I know…most of you will say I should have skipped the class, but I paid for the entire month, and I had the game recording). Thing that sucks is that my recording ended in the 7th. Giants were up 5-1.

    I did not go back and read all the comments, and I am sure there were a few on Holliday. I read his transcript on the slide. Fuck him. He is a dirty fucking player, and that was a dirty fucking play. I hope Cain DRILLS HIS ASS! Hey Holliday – Fuck YOU you FUCKING FUCK!

  42. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on October 15, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Halladay in 2010, Holliday in 2012, it doesn’t matter, when the Giants are in the NLCS, it’s doomsday for them and celebration day for us. Sweet-ass win indeed. Scutaro going from the receiving end of a gutless take-out slide to sending a take-that hit toward the hapless Holliday to clear the bases. And the Cards got a heaping helping of Vogey intensity shoved up their ass as well. I think if Vogey ever gave a pre-game speech, it’d be along the lines of, “Just gimme the fuckin’ ball.” Channeling my inner hatred? Tonight’s game did the trick.


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