The other guy

Posted in Uncategorized by twinfan1 on October 16, 2012

Edd talked about Cain, his counterpart has had a very interesting and unlikely career. Kyle Lohse was thought he might become the equal of even better than then Twin’s ace, Brad Radke.Never came about. Then he fell of the map for 5 years, getting nobody out. Now in his 12th year he’s having his best year by far- what was expected of him 10 years ago. And making some nice bucks for it. He’s pitched in the postseason for 3 teams, and 6 years. He’s a strike thrower, 89-92 velocty, a sinker heavy guy who’s developed a decent slider as well. Despite heavy use of the sinker, he has a so-so 40% ground ball rate. We’ll need to do what Krukow preaches: look up. He’s very unlikely to walk guys, being aggressive is how a guy like Lohse is best attacked. With a total of 147 ABs, no current Giant has ever homered against him. Theriot is 12 for 22 with 2 doubles and 2 triples. Pence is .298 in 47 AB but with just 2 RBI. No else has any signiicant history. If everybody except Panda can lay off the sinkers that begin low in the zone, he pitches to contact and we should make plenty of it…

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blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:16 pm

All is fucking . . . umm, well almost all is fucking forgiven if you get a hit here. Bonus for extra base hit. 🙂
chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:16 pm

Pence sucks so fucking bad, if I had a little sister, she could get a hit in the clutch more often than his sorry ass!
Wilcojoe said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:20 pm

Fucking Pence of shit!
blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:20 pm

Pence has no clue . . . Dipshit strike out. Worse than pathetic.
chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:20 pm

Holy fuck…you so suck Pence.
Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:21 pm

Fuck Pence.
ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:21 pm

at what point in THIS game do you pinch hit for pence?
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:21 pm

Fuck. Getting help from Blue now.
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:21 pm

I woulda done it here.
- ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:23 pm
  
  i was thinking the same
blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:21 pm

Flappers, you only get so many chances. I suspect that Belt has to do something here.
chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:22 pm

What a bullshit call!
ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:22 pm

have i ever mentioned how much i hate towel waving. it’s the last resort of the incompetent.

what a bullshit call.
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:22 pm

Fuck that. Wow. That’s horseshit.
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:22 pm

Low and away.
Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:22 pm

Terrible call by the ump.
twinfan1 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:24 pm

Well, fuck. Pence shouldn’t have swung and Belt should have.
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:24 pm

And the ump has to wait a beat to call it. What a bullshit call.
Flavor said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:25 pm

Belt had to protect there
- Flavor said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:29 pm
  
  And pence is worthless right now.
snarkk said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:25 pm

Well, Pence had no shot with those sliders, and Belt had the good eye and should have gone to 3-2 except for the umpire. I can’t fault Belt for not swinging there. This game looks like one of those that might get away. 11 men LOB so far, that’s not good. Seriously, Pence has to sit tomorrow. Nady in. But, I’d be shocked if that happens. Then again, WTF even have guys on the bench if not for something like that?…
blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:27 pm

Gamecast is saying that its begun to rain.
- Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:29 pm
  
  Yep, and its coming down hard
chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:27 pm

Absolutely, Nady needs to start tomorrow. Pence needs to mull how he has left the team high-and-dry in the fucking clutch. Pablo is right there, too, but I just don’t see Arias getting a start.
- snarkk said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:29 pm
  
  Pence needs to go into a room and give himself a pep talk…
  - Wilcojoe said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:31 pm
    
    POTD
- blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:30 pm
  
  Chi, Pablo is on the cusp of picking his game up (2 for 4 today, RBI, .250 BA for series). I would leave him in. At least he gets wood on the bat . . . Pence is clueless.
Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:28 pm

Here comes the weather
chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:29 pm

Or maybe give the Riot a start at 3rd. But no way Bochy sits Pablo…won’t fucking happen.
Wilcojoe said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:29 pm

Rain delay may not be a bad thing…Anything to wake up those bats.
chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:30 pm

The good thing (in regards to the weather) is that maybe it takes the Cards out of their groove (and the Giants get in one), and they have said regardless of how long the delay is, they will play all 9.
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:30 pm

Lazy shit there.
snarkk said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:31 pm

The last time I saw Arias I think he hit two doubles. Haven’t seen him since. Time to see him again…
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:31 pm

Goddamnit. This is never easy, but they gave this shit away.

At least that’s what it looks like so far.

Gee, is that really an intentional walk, Tim? Fuck.
Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:32 pm

Giants stalling
chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:32 pm

Setting up the DP.
twinfan1 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:33 pm

I have absolutely have no idea why a guy hitting over .300 in the postseason would be replaced.
ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:33 pm

how big is it that pablo’s hit to the wall was a single while freeze gets a double?
- twinfan1 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:41 pm
  
  Eric, the hits weren’t at all similar. Way bigger have been the failures with RISP by several players, IMO..
snarkk said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:35 pm

Why don’t we have a RH reliever ready?…
blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:36 pm

Just me, but I’m surprised that he didn’t run on Pagan. Our good fortune.
- unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:37 pm
  
  With 2 out, sure. One? No.
ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:36 pm

2 strike base hit. just hittin it up the middle.
blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:37 pm

Definitely need a punch out or better yet, a dp here.
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:37 pm

Matty ain;t getting his usual K’s today. I’d bring Kontos in/
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:38 pm

blah
chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:38 pm

Fuck!!!!!!!
chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:38 pm

I think Scoots should have come home. Looks like a strong throw gets the out at the plate.
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:39 pm

Almost. Stupid fucking game. These ones piss me off. So far.
snarkk said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:39 pm

Wet conditions right there, probably cost the Giants that run…
blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:40 pm

That run is huge insofar as our LOB history is concerned. It’s going to really be hard to come back from this shit.
ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:41 pm

looked at the box score. sure enough, matt got a lead in the top third and coughed it right back up in the bottom.
Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:41 pm

Delay comes one batter too last. shit
chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:41 pm

Time for a fucking nap…
snarkk said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:41 pm

They absolutely have to stop this at the 3. Down 2 with 2 innings left is doable, all it takes is a walk and a dinger. Down 3 gets pretty tough…
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:42 pm

oh, fuck me sideways. This is even better.
WilcoJoe said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Now we get to stress about the remainder of the game for the next two hours…I need a drink.
blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:43 pm

Well, thank Bud for playoffs that go into the middle of winter . . .
Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:45 pm

Here comes the two hour Cardinal suckfest.
snarkk said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:45 pm

If that’s not a wet ball, Scutaro probably gets the force at home…
snarkk said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:48 pm

You KNOW that FOX and ESPN are sticking pins in Giants dolls to make sure it’s Detroit vs. Cardinals. They’re not going to get what they wanted –Yanks vs. Cards, so they are cutting the heads off chickens at Fox HQ so that it isn’t Detroit vs. SF. If that happens, Buck and McCarver may go to sleep during the broadcasts…
twinfan1 said, on October 17, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Team LOB-11.Team w/RISP- 0-7….Individual LOB- Pence 5, Pagan 4, Sandoval and Belt 2 each. Looking at the HR off Matt- thrown right to the target…
snarkk said, on October 17, 2012 at 4:06 pm

Yanks have 5 more years of A-Rod and owe something like $115M. Imagine, two Rohand deals combined. Even the Yanks are going to gag on that. I’d take him if they agreed to eat $100M. At least he’s good at getting phone numbers from Chicas sitting right near the dugout. What a putz…
- Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 4:24 pm
  
  They’ll cut him off at the nuts and trade him in the offseason. His 15 minutes is just about up there. Florida Marlins anyone?
Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 4:33 pm

Still time to win this thing…
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 4:39 pm

At midnight.
- Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 4:55 pm
  
  I’m sitting at the bar and they’re open till 2 so no problem
  - blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 5:17 pm
    
    lqtm. Good one.
twinfan1 said, on October 17, 2012 at 5:22 pm

OK-
Pence is arb eligible, is a FA after 2013, is making 10 million 4 now, is 29 YO
Pagan is FA after this year, is making 4.85 million, is 30 YO
Scutaro is also a FA after this year, is making 6 miilion, is 36 YO
Blanco and Arias are both under our control and not arb eligible yet. Arias is 27, Blanco 28. Each is making about 500 K. Arias, BTW, is a plus defender at third, very subpar atv SS and second.
Theriot is a FA after this year, is making 1,250, 000, is 32

What would you do with each?
- ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 5:46 pm
  
  i’d take a long look at pagan and pence. nothing more than 2 years. scoots i would wait on and see if he falls back. one year max. theriot i look at signing, but probably one year.
  - blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 5:55 pm
    
    Ewisco, are you a GM intern with the A’s or Rockies? Pagan and Pence will laugh at “2 years” IMO.
- blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm
  
  Pence’s playoffs are very important insofar as whether I would keep him or shit can him after his contract ends (i.e., trade him). I think we have definitely seen the last of his .280 plus years, much less frickin’ .300. You would be dreaming if you think he will ever approach that batting average again. Similarly, I think 100 RBIs is no longer within his reach.
  
  Pagan can back up the Brinks truck wherever he goes . . . I would definitely give him $9 million per year for 4 years and an option. As has been pointed out at the blog previously, he can and probably will get more than that based on his regular season and playoffs. If so, we might have to sweeten the pot.
  
  Definitely resign Arias and Blanco. Cheap insurance and who knows? One or both may bloom, whereby they are starting regularly. Keep Theriot as a utility and see if Stephen Drew is available.
  - blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 5:51 pm
    
    Forgot about Scutaro . . . Two year contract at $7-8 million, with a Giants option for a third year. Frankly, if you don’t offer him something enticing reflecting what he has done for this team – THEN HE WILL BE GONE.
  - ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:05 pm
    
    Blade, I yam what i yam
  - ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:08 pm
    
    no way i give pagan 4 years. 3 at best. maybe, maybe 3 and an option.
    
    I say that however, without thinking about what is in the minors.
  - Flavor said, on October 17, 2012 at 7:58 pm
    
    I wouldn’t give Pagan more than 2 years either, and I’d be fine with him leaving. I think he’s a guy who needs a lot of motivation and a 4 year deal would kill that.
    No WAY I sign Pagan to what his market value is……
  - blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 7:59 pm
    
    Remember this conversation, because I would bet whatever you want – that some team will give him 4 years guaranteed.
- chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 7:12 pm
  
  Go to arbirtation with Pence. With his year, I doubt he wins his number
  
  I try like hell to sign Pagan. 2 years with a club option. Not sure what the market will be…but he’ll probably be sniffing in the 10 mil/year range.
  
  Scutaro has said he wants to come back. I say 2 years, and an option year (low buyout).
  
  Theriot might be a good signing for a utility guy if they can get him on the cheap for a year.
  
  Blanco, Posey, Casilla, Romo and Wilson are all also arb eligible.
  
  Cabrera will be a FA, but Giants will have exclusive negotiating rights to him for (2 weeks?). That is why he is on the 40 man.
  
  Giants have about 80 mil committed to salaries for next year. If their ceiling remains the same, that means you have about 50 mil to work with.
chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 5:34 pm

Let’s hope this fucking rain delay wakes up our sleeping Giants! Being down by two is not the worst of it…it is how they got there…out hitting them 9-6 with 5 BB, but the killer…11 LOB (as opposed to 2 for the fucking gay birds).
blade3colorado said, on October 17, 2012 at 5:35 pm

It seems that we are mostly agreed that Pence needs to do some penance on the bench for the next game. Some way, some how, I want to see more of Arias in this series. No idea how that’s doable with Panda seemingly on the cusp of doing something great (2 for 4, RBI in this game). Giants overall hitting in the postseason is pathetic (.217 . . . this game not included). Especially so with RISP. This game alone – as has been pointed out – eleven. Only 2 for the Cards. Also, two stolen bases? I know that Molina is excellent, but we need to run more when given the opportunity. By the by, Pence and Belt stole the two bases.
ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 5:38 pm

in watching Pence’s AB’s again, he’s not so much collapsing his back side as jumping at pitches which gets him on his front side too quick. either way, he needs a break. he will be critical to winning this series and the WS.
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 5:39 pm

Blanco and Arias are staying. Pence is a big question. For all the runs he drives in, he sure leaves a lot out there as well. He’s got to get a better approach. He isn’t Pablo. Pablo can hit .300+ playing how he does. pence looks like .260 is his high water mark. Keep Pagan?

Trade Pence for Castro, keep Theriot. Lose Scoots.

I dunno.
- chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 7:13 pm
  
  They already have Pence for next year…and he is AE.
unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 5:41 pm

Still got to get out of the 7th.
- ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 5:47 pm
  
  just because it’s a rain delay doesn’t mean you have to throw a wet blanket over everything.
  - unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    
    Hey, my blankets are dry. . .
    
    Shit, they can do it. Pence isn’t up any time soon.
  - unca_chuck said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    
    Just over Hunter . . .
  - zumiee said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:05 pm
    
    This will make everyone feel better. The best rain song, by the best band ever….
Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:06 pm

Start this sucker up already
Flavor said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:12 pm

Just checked the radar, looks like the worst of the shit has gone through. When are we playing ball? Maybe I should go check the tv? lol
ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:13 pm

watching the X-Factor actually has me rethinking mccarver and buck. sigh.
Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm

They called the Tigers Yankees game and it never rained Bud = Idiot
- ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:31 pm
  
  if you want an argument, you’ll have to pick a different subject.
  - Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    
    Just commenting on a subject about the way the game is governed today. Lousy decision making on their part
  - ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:42 pm
    
    i know. but bud=idiot is not going to get a lot of dispute.
mrmrbill said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm

well… if Schulman’s meteorology skills are of any help: “Another rain band supposedly due in 10 minutes, with about 10 minutes of rain. Then they figure they’ll start cleaning up field.”
- mrmrbill said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:22 pm
  
  (which he posted about 15min ago)
Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:24 pm

Eckersley looked pissed. Fucken Baseball bunch of nervous Nancy’s
twinfan1 said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:36 pm

I probably shoud have been clearer about the status of Blanco and Arias. They’re ours for next year and are not even arb eligible then.. Probably the decision with each is whether the front office thinks them valuable enough to buy out their arb years. As we know, this is still a business so my guess is they’ll both work for those 500 grand slave wages next year and then a desicion will be made on them.
Melky really screwed things up. If they don’t offer arb to Pence and Pagan signs elsewhere the OFers by default become Nady, Blanco, Peguero or Brown. That’s not thrilling..
- ewisco said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:45 pm
  
  i caught their status. and who knows what the front is going to do about that. but for the ones that CAN be signed, i really like this new focus on 2, 3 years max. but that was bow-tie and now he’s gone.
  
  At the end of the day though, the minors are pretty shallow on next year or even the year after depth. It would be especially nice if we can just win the WS and bask for a year.
- chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 7:16 pm
  
  Blanco will be in his second year of arbitration eligibility.
Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:50 pm

Looks like 7:05 is the start time to get this game going
mrmrbill said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:51 pm

Crew on the field and 7:05 restart. Now we just need binders of Maine Zumba instructors and it’s a party.
- Fugazi said, on October 17, 2012 at 6:54 pm
  
  Lame sex videos from her. No action just boring acting
  - mrmrbill said, on October 17, 2012 at 7:07 pm
    
    Kinda like our offense today. 😦
Wilcojoe said, on October 17, 2012 at 7:17 pm

That was fucking pathetic.
chipower9 said, on October 17, 2012 at 7:17 pm

More pathetic lack of offense in the 8th. Giants should have won this game (hits and walks), but couldn’t get the key knocks. FUCK!
Macdog said, on October 17, 2012 at 7:17 pm

Are we ever going to see Arias get an AB this series?