The 2012 World Series Share for the Giants: $377,003
They team voted 50 full shares. I believe Detroit voted 48 full shares. Back in the day, teams would vote as low as 28 full shares. Apparently Mike Murphy got another full share (as he did back in 2010). What must Murph make in a season? He’s the Equipment Manager for the team. I suppose that’s the equivalent of being the *Maintenance Fella* at a regular office building. But he’s been with the team since they moved West in ’58. Still, I’m assuming that Murph ceiling’d out on his salary a long, long time ago. So what’s Murph make? Maybe $200,000? Or is that too high? Or low?
Whatever, you know that $377,000 will come in handy in the Murph household this Christmas…..
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I’ve said this before, but hopefully that *full share* that adds almost half a mil to a guy’s salary plus all the other advantages of playing here, make a difference to Pagan and others. The yard is sold out with fans all geared up, the team has great pitching and balanced offense despite being a so called pitchers park, and is bound to contend for years to come with young superstars and a nice mix of wise old vets. Add in excellent coaching and game mgmt and savvy FO and scouts.
You could sure play in a lot worse places, as I’m sure a few of Giants could tell you.
I’ll bet Murhpy clears a bit more. Maybe $250K. Throw in vendor kick backs and he’s probably got a nice vacation every year or somethingl but you’re right $377K likely makes a huge difference to him and his family. Hell, I’ve been looking at buying a house down here in the bay and could definately use that kind of dough. He’s been in the area so long he probably has a nice spread in Piedmont or something and owns it free and clear. Whatever he’s making they should double it. Dude is like an institution and has seen a lot of players come and go. I’ve always thought that it must be pretty cool to asign numbers to players and they way Murphy has little touches like 55 most recently going to Schmidt and now Lincecum and 9 from Belt to Snow. Those two come to mind but I am sure there is more.
Agree on all points. Not sure what he makes a year, but his share IMHO is well-deserved. RE: assignment of numbers, 35 to Crawford was awesome. Previously, Chris Speier (one of my favorites) and Richy Aurilla.
Apparently the Dodgers are striking a deal with FOX for 6 – 7 billion over 25 years. I think that’s something like a quarter of a billion per year. With that kind of cash, Murph might be managing the locker room in LA next year.
No wonder the new owner group for LA didn’t care about the parking lot when they bought the team.
I think The Yanks, Cubs and Red Sox also have amazing TV deals and I’m pretty sure the Phillies, Angels and Rangers are about to get theirs. With the old blackout restrictions and the programming logic at Fox, I imagine those will be the only teams broadcast on TV going forward.
Have I mentioned lately how much I hate Selig and FOX?
IMO – Those San Jose rights just became even more important if the Giants ever wanted to improve their TV rights deal.
The Angels had been looking for relief help, but didn’t want to commit significant long-term dollars for a closer. GM Jerry Dipoto told the LA Times earlier this offseason that spending big on relievers is like “going to Las Vegas and throwing it down on double-zero green.”
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#5CCIF3U3IOiO0HHi.99
Bye bye Brian? 6.8M is a helluva chunk to a guy just emerging from his second TJ surgery. Team would have to pay him that much under MLB’s arbitration agreements. Sounds like he wants the full monty and may not be amenable to a $2-3M base plus heavy incentives which could add up majorly if properly calibrated to match performance. Some closer-hungry team may pay him a pile on spec that he’s good to go. Doesn’t seem like the Giants probable M.O. after the Huff burn and especially in the light of a pretty good bullpen starting out and with Hembree in the wings as well as Bret Bochy champing at the bit and ready to jump from a sterling AA season.
Certainly makes sense from the G’s point of view, but I can also see Wilson’s as well. He sacrificed his arm for 2010. Giving him 6m one year for what he’s given this team doesn’t seem that outrageous.
He earned 8+ million in 2012 for getting surgery and waiving pom poms. That’s not a bad deal after 2010. They don’t owe him anything more than an incentive deal and a thank you. If someone is willing to give him nearly $7 million for what could be a bad wing, be my guest…
Agree…not sure what the Giants are offering, but guessing a base of 3-4 with incentives that could push it above what he would stand to make this year.
On second thought, he WAS paid pretty well last yr. I’ll go with the G’s on this one.
If you sign wilson to anything it has to be on *show me* basis. I’m beyond trusting anything he says, including that he’ll be ready opening day. Reality is Giants won it all without him; bochy rags and the rest of the pen guys were just fine, and there is zero reason to think they can’t be again.
Wouldn’t bother me one iota to hear Kuiper say, “He was a good Giant.” To which Kruk responds, “He was a great Giant.” Meanwhile, onward and upward with what’s already here.
On a separate note, it was bad enough that the Niners lost Kyle Williams. Recent reports say it looks like Kendall Hunter is also lost for the season.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2012/11/27/kendall-hunter-out-for-season/1729443/
Hi, all. Just checking in. Been out of pocket. Had to make a dash to CT. Mom in hospital but recovering now. Shingles. At 96, she is as sturdy and alert as one could ever hope. Go, Giants.
sorry to ehar about this development Pawlie but it’s great to hear that she’s recovering now—will hope for the best for you, her and your family.
thanks!
Sorry to hear the news, Pawlie. Wishing you and yours the best, and a quick recovery for your mom.
AJ and LMJ may get activated.
Wow. 96? Hope all goes well going forward, Pawlie . . .
Appreciate all the good wishes. Together we are (Giants) family.
My Mom just got out of rehab from a fall. She’s 90, osteoporosis, lives alone.Seems like the women are tougher than us boys.Hope your Mom is on the road to recovery.
BTW, my Mom still drives. If you’re in Scottsdale anytime soon, beware 😉
She drove till last year, and Lord only knows what THOSE risks were.
She lives alone, walks everywhere, even a mile to church. Miraculously, has not had a fall. But we may be at a turning point.
Pawlie,Best wishes for you,your mom and your whole family.Know all about the frustration of parents getting up in age.Just was up in Reno visiting my folks.Their both using walkers,my dad does all the cooking now,he’s getting frustrated,they have maid service atleast,and my sister thank god lives nearby and helps alot,doctor runs,Costco runs,my dad still drives for short runs when he needs a few things.He still keeps a great attitude on things,he will say..We live a sheltered life now,doctor appt,grocery store,and watch TV.
Yes, my brothers and I are likely on the cusp of changes.
Good luck on the Mom front, Pawlie. My mother passed early last year at 92. Pretty independent until late 80s, then things began to slip gradually. Took away her car at around 86, I think, after she plowed through a hedge at the drug store parking lot. Mild dementia settled in slowly, until the last year and a half was very difficult. We got her a live in attendant, so she could stay at home, which was her wish. The attendant lady was an angel, luckily. It’s not cool when your own mother eventually does not recognize you. She knew that she should know who I was, but couldn’t pull the trigger. Sometimes I was her “cousin”. The first time that happens, you want to go punch the wall, or something. But, pretty quickly you accept it and move forward. Not her fault. Nobody’s fault. Just the way it is. Luckily, she didn’t physically have too many problems until the very end, and passed peacefully early one morning, in her own bed. A pretty good way to go…
Well, my best wishes to all who are dealing with similar issues as Paul is.
My mom just turned 72 and she’s in excellent shape so i don’t have to worry about that for a while. But my Nana (her mom) fell down and broke her hip when she was 95 (back in 2003) and she just was never the same– it all went down hill from there, she died in 2004.
She was born in Cordova, Alaska and since she was the first white person born in that small town her parents named her *Cordova*. Ha, creative. She was actually a big deal in town, mostly because of her color–they had a huge celebration in the middle of town to honor the FIRST WHITE CHILD BORN THERE, lol.. As I’ve been told, the town of Cordova was comprised of Indians at the time she was born and my Nana never got any decent info as to why her parents had settled in that random spot (and they died when she was young so there was no way to figure that out). She practiced Christian Science her entire life and had only been to the hospital to give birth to her 2 kids (my mom and my aunt). Otherwise she spent her whole life never talking to a doctor or going to a hospital.
The night she fell, I was the one who had to talk her into going to the ER. She wouldn’t listen to my mom or her husband or anyone else. I ended up using some trickery to get her there. I knew she wasn’t going to be able to pray a broken hip away. I’ll never forget the look on her face that night after we spent all night in the Stanford ER. She was so disappointed in me. But I did what I thought had to be done to get her the help she needed.
My mom bailed on Christian Science when she was in her twenties and I never got exposed to it except for how I watched my Nana live her life. I know all the stories about the insanity of the religion but I watched her make her life work successfully through this religion and like I said she hadn’t been to the doctor since she gave birth to her 2 kids in the early 1940’s. She prayed like 5 hours a day. She never got sick, she was always healthy and happy. Weird shit. She started her own real estate company in Salem Oregon in the late 50’s. Being a woman, that was a fairly unusual undertaking at that time. She retired in the early 80’s with like 20 successful offices still running in Salem. Her husband, my grandpa, just played golf every day and lived off her career. He was good, too, nearly a scratch golfer in his heyday…….
No idea why I blathered all this out here tonight—been thinking about Nana a lot lately and Pawlie’s post made me think even more about her…….
. . . a short story in itself, and a fine one. . . stuff that Alice Munro (the master) could draw on. Thanks.
Yep, the falling thing is the common denominator, seemingly, of folks over 80. Bones are brittle, it takes very little torque or distance of the fall to break something. My mother broke a hip, an upper arm, a collar bone, her tailbone, and one vertebrae, all in separate situations over the course of about 10 years. The hip was the first, didn’t eventually really bother her after the surgery healed completely. The rest of ’em were irritations for a while, then she was OK. Tough “ol’ Irishman”, as she would have said (ignoring the 1/4 German for the stoic contribution). My Dad lived to 89, and smoked filterless Camels for 50+ years, beginning at 13, then a pipe for the next 20 or so. He picked “spuds” as a kid in Idaho, he was “farmed out” by his parents back in Illinois to live with his much older sister and her husband at that age, never got the full story why. He pitched on a “semi pro” baseball team that traveled around locally, and told stories of how the local teams would pick an all star team to play the occasional off season “barnstormer” teams (with a few low level major leaguers and some minor leaguers) that would blow through the area. His best pitch was “the drop”. No such thing in those days as a curveball. People of his generation were tougher, no question. Lost everything he had in the bank at the start of the Depression. Would curse Herbert Hoover at the drop of a hat, and would fight anybody that badmouthed FDR. All Republicans were worthless, and he didn’t even get to see this recent group of ’em. People then didn’t bitch much about what they didn’t have, they were glad for what they DID have…
That’s the rarity: Mom has not fallen, walks all over, takes taxis, goes to her senior club, etc. Her family doctor of decades reinforced my view that she does not have signs of dementia. HOWEVER, I’m her son and I can detect seismic tremors. I can see a shift. Well, let’s be blunt. When you are 96 — even though people are living to 100 — you are in an end game. And what Snarkk described, dying in your own bed, perhaps in the middle of a peaceful dream, is what we hope for, though we know it ain’t really the case all too often.
But I’m good. And thanks to all for their notes and stories. And best to your elderly loved ones.
On a totally, different note. I got an email out of nowhere from my “publisher” saying the book is all mine, they won’t distribute it. Hunh? Well, that’s all well and good and could mean I don’t have to share profits. But now i have to wrestle with Amazon and others. Sheesh.
I wonder if he was “farmed out” because of the Depression. Many kids were orphaned because their parents could not feed and shelter them.
Ever since Nana went down I’ve always felt like we are all just walking the earth until something unexpected happens. Or we literally just fall down from the walk, break a hip or a leg and it all falls apart from there…….
Back to baseball with some Larry King-like rambling phrases: So, if Ryan Madson, who never played with the Reds, gets a one-year deal with the Angels, how much will it be for? … And if Evan Longoria’s 10-year deal was for a $100m — not sure, isn’t that a bargain? . . . And how much will the Yankees offer Mariano Rivera? $11m for Pettite? Too much. He won’t last three months.
I remember a Christmas, maybe 30 years ago, when my Mom and Dad were still married and all 5 of us “kids” were stil kicking. We had Christmas together in Scottsdale. I felt like Harbaugh always says- “Who has it better than us…” It was the last time were all together. I still feel we’ve been blessed in many ways as a family and whatever has come our way has always just been part of what life deals to us all. From everything I’ve heard from all of the Flappers, you’ve all had your share of happiness and travail and dealt with it beautifully-although I’d imagine Bozo could stand a little less “dealing with” 😉
Anyway, I guess that’s my Thanksgiving thought for you all…
Thanks twin, but I really haven’t had any more than anyone else (well, two hurricanes, one wildfire and my uncle died all in two years and now my guitar player from my old band is at UCSF with Lou Gerhig’s disease. OK it’s been kind of a fucked up couple of years), but nothing like the health problems you’ve had to deal with.
Pawlie sorry to hear about your mom. And Snarkk’s mom, Dirt’s and Flav’s Nana as well. I guess in some ways I’m lucky, my mom died when I was in Third grade and I think I was in my late twenties when my dad died, so I didn’t have the worries of aging parents. My Uncle John (Mom’s brother) and my Aunt took this crazed kid from California in every summer for five or six years. As most of you know my Uncle died this year (89 or 90, I think), now my aunt just cracked her hip avoiding a cat (she’s 92 or 93 her birthday is coming up in Dec). She’s back home but using the walker and combined with her husband of 60 years dieing this year, she’s both a bit defiant and depressed at the same time. She wants to drive again but will lose her home care if she does, I’m not sure if I can pull off a trip right now and going to Ohio in December isn’t at the top of my list of things to do, but I might have to.
But as Pawlie said “Back to baseball”. Brandon Belt posted a new blog (DQ want’s to do a BeltBuster, why didn’t we think of that?) anyway here is his plans for the WS share “Now that I’m getting a bonus from the World Series, I’m adding a second story to the garage for my Man Cave with a pool table, a couple TVs for football and a big couch. And we’re probably going to put in an outdoor kitchen for barbecuing. And I want a big shower in the master bedroom. Haylee’s in charge of every other decision. ” It’s a fun read IMO, but I’ve really enjoyed the blogs in the eyes of the kids on the team.
Bozo, most of you learned of my “secret” wife- who had a stroke 4 years ago, leaving her left side paralyzed, Then she then had a fall as she was learning to walk again and had a total hip replacement on the “bad” side. I am her caregiver. And you all know of my issues ( too much, I know, and I’m sorry for that). but I’m absolutely sincere in saying that I consider us incredibly lucky. We both have all of our faculties- through all of my surgeries and procedures, I’m still able to care for the woman I married 40 years ago and it’s something I’ll do as long as I live or am able to. What I’m getting at is that being able to really fulfill that “in sickness and in health” part of the bargain is an incredibly rewarding thing.My Uncle Hal who died a couple years ago, was a surrogate father to his granchildren ( his son-in-law was a firefighter who died in a house fire) and cared for his wife in the final years of her life-she had Alzheimers. He told me that that was the toughest-and most rewarding job he ever had. The rewarding part is certainly true. Reading of what you’ve been through and what others here have dealt with reminded me that my problems aren’t really that big a deal and that none of us will ever do anything as important and rewarding than being the person a loved one must have for love, support, even life itself.
… Now back to your regular programs. Almost 9:30. time for “Huff got a full share??!! ”
We all know he’s going to spend it on likker,floozies, and cigarettes..
Bozo, dude, condolences to you for losing your Mom so early in life. I wish you had more time with her, and your Dad, too. When your parents get on in years, unless you are a total putz of a human being, or your parents treated you like crap, it is part of the deal to help your parents in their elderly years. At least I think it is. It is the natural order of things. In Japan, old people are revered for their experience and wisdom. Here, not even close to that. And, now certain politicians want to voucherize Medicare so the health insurance companies can profit from ripping off the elderly. I guarantee that is what will happen if that comes to pass. It makes me so mad I can’t see straight…
I remember the thing I liked most about the Splash way back in the day—when the regulars started to share details about their personal life and the whole blog anonymity-thing started to come down. And I’m not talking about the randoms or the trolls, I’m talking about the regular blog guys, the dudes who you vet out as legit based off what they post.
And tonight reminded me of that with all these posts tonight.
Don’t sell yourself short, Bozo. That’s a lot of shit to deal with. Losing parents is one thing, losing friends quite another. My father got to die on his own terms (he had emphysema, and simply pulled his mask and breathing tube off), my mom not so much. Thank God my sister was able to take care of her in her final year and a half. Which went from good to OK to pretty damn bad. The great thing was she had a real good afternoon a week before she died where she was lucid and happy, and all of her kids were there. It was to the point of her either being pissed off or unresponsive most of the time. When she didn’t recognize my son, who she absolutely adored, it was like a knife in my heart.
Anyhow, I think Harbaugh goes with Alex Smith tomorrow.
Chris Haft’s take on the Wilson situation:
The Giants are believed to be prepared to increase the player payroll from this year’s level of approximately $130 million. But that figure won’t grow dramatically.
They already have committed approximately $84 million to eight players: right-hander Tim Lincecum ($22.25 million), right-hander Matt Cain ($20.8 million), left-hander Barry Zito ($20 million), third baseman Pablo Sandoval ($5.7 million), left-hander Jeremy Affeldt ($5 million), right-hander Ryan Vogelsong ($5 million), left-hander Javier Lopez ($4.25 million) and left-hander Madison Bumgarner ($950,000).
MLBTradeRumors.com projected that seven salary arbitration-eligible Giants ultimately will receive more than $32 million: right fielder Hunter Pence (predicted 2013 salary: $13.8 million), catcher Buster Posey ($5.9 million), right-hander Santiago Casilla ($5.4 million), right-hander Sergio Romo ($3.6 million), left-hander Jose Mijares ($1.6 million), outfielder Gregor Blanco ($1.3 million) and infielder Joaquin Arias ($800,000).
If those projections are close to being accurate, the Giants will have spent $116 million on 15 players. Should the Giants succeed in retaining free agents Marco Scutaro and Angel Pagan, their 2013 salaries easily would push the payroll beyond $130 million and into the $135 million range.
San Francisco still would have to pay eight more members of the 25-man Opening Day roster. Since non-arbitration-eligible performers such as shortstop Brandon Crawford, first baseman Brandon Belt, catcher Hector Sanchez and right-hander George Kontos have to accept whatever management offers them, they’re not much of a payroll burden.
But should the Giants wish to add a significant free agent — and they could use another outfielder and some pitching depth — the active roster’s price tag would soar past $145 million, representing more than a 10 percent hike from 2012.
Then again, the Giants operated with similar increases in each of the previous three years as they won two World Series and extended their streak of consecutive winning seasons to four.
Wilson, of course, was essential to much of that success. But the payroll mathematics, along with the questionable state of his pitching arm, demonstrate why the Giants might be reluctant to offer him even the 20 percent salary reduction.
Good stuff, Zumie…thanks.
Responding to Pawlie’s 6:44:
No, my father was actually “farmed out” before the Depression. I’m the product of an “older” dad. Which brings me to another point. My father was 8th of 10 kids in a German Catholic family. The 3rd oldest was actually an adopted boy. My father’s parents actually already had 3 or 4 kids already, and then in the earlier part of the 20th century, there were “orphan trains” that would take a bunch of kids from eastern seaboard orphanages out west (making more room for the new orphans from those teeming urban areas) stopping at towns along the way to hopefully adopt out kids to families wanting another one or more, for whatever reason. As the train made it’s way farther west, the less attractive orphans remained. They tried to keep siblings together, but was not always possible. My father’s oldest brother was one of those orphaned kids, as the family went down to the train station when that train came in, and they picked him. He was a little older, and lasted the train trip all the way to Illinois. As it turned out, he later ended up fighting in the US Army about a half dozen of the big battles in France and Belgium in World War One (the Marne, Belleu Wood, etc.), and was gassed in his last one, but survived. When I was cleaning out one of my mother’s closets after she passed away, I found in a rolled up tube I had never seen before some sort of military Certificate of Award to my uncle for service in WWI. Not associated with a medal as far as I could tell, but something about combat service, with appropriate old style writing and flowery borders. Kind of choked me up, as it struck me as so long ago in a place so far away, one of family struggled in trenches and survived the “War to End All Wars”. A while back, when the Snarkettes were watching an American Girl movie, the plot involved a young girl of some means, and her orphaned friends that went to an orphanage in New York City. The orphanage shrew that managed it threatened any kids that misbehaved with throwing them on the next “orphan train” headed West, where the siblings would surely be split up – forever. I slapped my forehead and immediately thought of my oldest uncle that I never knew (he died before I was born), and the old story that seemed so implausible. Hard to imagine those kind of things today, at least in this country. Here’s a link if you have an interest in reading a bit more about a piece of US history that I bet most people today have never heard of… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_Train
Some pretty amazing life stories from many of you. My dad was in Singapore (parents divorced when I was 12) and died of a heart attack at a going away party for a guy who he was replacing as a plant manager. Turned our world (my mom, my brother, and mine) upside down. My mom had been a housewife her entire life. But bless her soul, she went to a vocational school, learned keypunch, got a decent paying job, and provided a very comfortable life for me and my brother. I agree with Michael in that I feel very blessed to have my good health, to have been able to help my mom through some of her health issues (she had both Crohns and colitis), and to have provided for the upbringing of two incredibly wonderful kids. I also feel blessed that I continue to have a very good relationship with my ex, and we can share in many activities with our kids. Anyway…until you see it or hear it, you have no idea the rough spots in the road that others (such as those stories shared here) have experienced. To those Flapper brothers who continue to struggle with life’s curveballs, I do wish you the best.
Interesting numbers presented by Zumie on payroll. I am sure that Sabean and crew still see Pagan as a pivotal piece. The latest scuttlebutt is that the Braves and Phillies are also very interested. It will certainly be interesting to see how it all plays out. In the near-term, I am anxious to see how it goes with Brian Wilson. I do not see the Giants tendering an offer, and not sure that he will back down and accept an incentive-laden contract for less.
This thread started out with info about WS shares. Yesterday (maybe Sunday) there was discussion about whether or not Marty Lurie got a full share, or not. If he did, that’s pretty sweet dough for doing his pre- and post-game shows.
well I think he earned it just for the sheer number of hours that dude works. During the baseball season, he’s easily on more than any other guy. And he puts up with some seriously dumb shit from the callers and all the while maintains a calmness about him. Seems like a very nice guy, too.
I disagree with almost everything he says about baseball, but that doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate some of the things he’s good at.
Yeah, I don’t necissarily agree with some of his opinions, but the guy is knowledgeable. I too have no problem if he ended up with a full share. WTF…not my money.
Reading through some of the above family stories, you know you only have so much time to appreciate what someone brings to your life.
One family I’ve thought about is the Alou family and the 3 who played here. As I recall Felipe married twice and had quite a number of kids, Moises being the only one I’m aware of who made it to the big time and starred. The list of fathers and sons who both were good is pretty rare, and most of the *Jrs* just can’t live up to what dad did at mlb level. I think robinson cano is third gen of his family to try and make it to majors here.
They were all completely different players, and Felipe and Matty flourished elsewhere besides SF, where Matty didn’t play much and was often called upon to bunt. I think it would be interesting to hear about where they came from and how they wound up in SF, and if any of their family has followed them into baseball here or in the homeland.