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Injuries: Real, Imagined, or Somewhere in Between?

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on March 9, 2013

I’m having trouble deciding how I feel about all of these bumps and bruises that the Giants players seem to be dealing with this Spring. If you’re the Yankees, the injury news in much clearer. Granderson, A-Rod, Jeter, and Teixiera all have clearly defined time lines of days they are expected to be out attached to their injuries.

The Giants? Their injuries are much harder to define in days needed to recover. Timmy has a blister–by the way, for those of you who don’t catch the KNBR morning show, Kruk went off on Timmy for how poorly he takes care of his hands and said that this is a direct result, basically, of negligence on Timmy’s part. Torres has an oblique strain (I swear to God, I NEVER heard about an oblique strain until the 1990’s or so. Is that a new muscle that players started growing?). Lopez got hit by a throw on, I think, his non-throwing hand (but I could be wrong about that) and still isn’t throwing. Hector has a tight hammy. Cain got hit in the leg with a ball and missed some time. And now the Giants are panicking because Romo threw 26 pitches in a game.

All of these injuries seem so minor it makes me think there’s nothing to worry about at all and that if this were the regular season these guys would either be playing or close to playing through all of these nicks, bumps and bruises. And maybe because our spring has been so quiet in terms of action or controversy this is the only thing I could think of to worry about this morning and since it’s common knowledge that I need AT LEAST one thing to worry about at all times that’s the reason you’re reading today’s thread.

Twenty Six pitches. Jeez, I hope he’s gonna be all right……

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  1. Locojuan's avatar Bozo said, on March 9, 2013 at 7:23 am

    From what I read, don’t remember where, Romo only threw 26 pitches once last year. I think it said in April. He followed his 26 pitch game with 13 yesterday. He did have elbow(?) problems last year, so I imagine they are concerned about his arm a bit.
    I’m with you on the oblique, that and high ankle strains. Don’t think I remember hearing about either of those until recent years.

    I’m driving up to see Aretha tonight, knock wood that she doesn’t cancel. I think I’m at three canceled shows of hers so far. I’m pretty sure one of the canceled shows was due to an oblique strain.

  2. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:06 am

    I never heard of a rotator cuff injury until the 1970s . . . Prior to that, I thought they called it a “dead arm.” Of course, pitchers pitched complete games back then and some like Warren Spahn and Juan Marichal duked it out for 15 innings or so. Anyway, I guess “dead arm” is contagious and can cause epidemic rotator cuff injuries to occur as happened to me a few years ago. šŸ™‚

    New post on Nepal taxi drivers and a Buddhist temple I visited today on my blog.

    • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:44 am

      Well. most of us are anti-pitch counts but that isn’t going to change unless young pitchers train and are allowed to throw more pitches. This starts in Little League and is now ingrained- last I heard 17/18 year olds are limited to 105 pitches, less for younger kids.
      Guys like Nolan Ryan are being irresponsible when they bicth about pitch counts without addressing the issue when it begins- with youngsters.
      The Nats got a boatload of shit when they shut Strasburg down, but IMO they were right, they just did it wrong, they should have been taking care of it earlier in the season.

      • blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on March 9, 2013 at 9:02 am

        Makes sense Mike. I would also add – that it seems to me that weight training hasn’t helped reduce injuries. In fact, Ichiro Suzuki is so adamant that traditional weight training is bad for his health, that he uses specific weight lifting machines that promote flexibility, which traditional weight machines do not. The Wall Street Journal wrote an excellent article about this on March 5th or 6th. Ichiro’s machines are made by a company in Japan that will not sell them to any individual, but made an exception with Ichiro. He has installed them in all his homes and the trainer for the Yankees was so intrigued by this, that he pumped Ichiro for information about his training regimen and these machines.

        If you really think about the aforementioned and especially, about the advent of fitness centers and weight lifting – it didn’t really take off until the 1970s . . . umm, about the same time it seemed that baseball players were getting injured all the time, especially pitchers. In short, I think that these “show muscles” have hindered baseball players more, than helped.

  3. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:18 am

    Well, the oblique is not a newly discovered muscle. The uptick in oblique injuries has been linked to, guess what- drug testing. It’s been theorized that playere are moving away from PEDs that are banned and many are using Creatine, a legal dietary supplement that is not banned by MLB, NFL, NBA or NCAA, it’s an amino acid that boosts lean muscle mass and strength
    Creatine, according to Maharam, adds water molecules to muscle fibers, which causes the fibers to separate.
    This makes for easier muscle tears and slows the repair process, leaving them on injured reserve longer,” Maharam says. “It is because of these side effects that professionals for a long time went away from creatine when they could use anabolics and HGH. Now that testing is stronger, I have seen a trend back toward the safer creatine.”
    (Lewis Maharam is the former president of the New York chapter of the American College of Sports Medicine)

  4. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:10 am

    The U.S. team looked pretty lifeless last night, and some of the players I’d hardly ever heard of.
    Vogey will try to pump some life into the team tonight.
    That was some weird mixed feelings for me last night watching Romo pitch. I wasn’t sure what I should be rooting for, other than Romo not hurting himself.

  5. Alleykat's avatar Alleykat said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:02 am

    Krukow needs to shut up about Timmy.

  6. Alleykat's avatar Alleykat said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:08 am

    He had his one and only glory year back in 86.He’s 7 games over .500 in his career.Does he have 2 CY Young’s on his shelf? Uh Noooo!

    • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:29 am

      The idea that a guy has to have had great success himself to make a critique of a player is just wrongo.

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 12:27 pm

        Agreed. You’ve proved that extensively…

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 5:35 pm

        That’s an ignorant statement and it’s also a personal attack..
        My point is not arguable- that it’s an idiotic notion that only players who enjoyed similar success can criticize others…

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:26 pm

        It’s agreement with your previous statement, and true. Nobody on this blog is immune from its truth, including me. Lighten up…

  7. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Timmy’s average fastball velocity drop from 2011 to 2012 is the biggest in baseball as per Baseball Prospectus. Their take is conditioning, “he lacked the athleticism necessary to consistently coordinate the 80-grade momentum that has become his trademark, while a lack of timing sapped the efficiency of his torque.”
    Never the less, the BP call is a bounce back season 3.05 ERA 1.17 WHIP.

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:27 am

      I’m sure Tim routinely uses the maximum allowable torquage…

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:32 am

        Gee, I’ve added up all of our CY’s, and I’m coming up a litlle short of two.

  8. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:25 am

    First time I ever heard rotator cuff was about Mel Stottlemyre.

    • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:36 am

      So how come there’s no Mel Stottlemyre surgery? I say he got gypped…

      • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on March 9, 2013 at 1:19 pm

        I think the straight answer to that is that they didn’t have the surgery to fix it back then. It was just career over.

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 6:33 pm

        Straight answers aren’t what you are valued for, Loo..
        I don’t know about the “straight” answer, but you do have the wrong answer. Rotator cuff surgery has been performed since early in the 20th century.

  9. dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 9, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    I agree with Alleykat to an extent but I’ll admit I have never been partial to Krukow. I appreciate his pitching insights but more and more he seems to tow a negative line on certain players. Last year it was Belt and now in spring training he’s starting with Lincecum. I have no problem with honest takes and players often deserve criticism but for an announcer that is such a homer I find it odd that he focuses on players the organization has obvious open questions about. I guess he knows where his bread is buttered.

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 1:05 pm

      Giants management looked bad publicly for ripping a rather defenseless Belt for backgrounded reasons. So, Kruk came with some support for management. That’s my take on that, plus he and Kuiper take a dim view anyway of non-annointed (non Buster) rookies and young players. And, Kruk may be readying the fanbase for Tim’s exit, he’s in his last year of the contract. If Kruk ripped Tim for lousy focus on keeping runners close, cool, that’s fair. I don’t remember Kruk ever ever ripping on Zito. Maybe I missed it, I dunno. Or, ripping the Gamer’s suckage performance at the plate, instead it was how hard he worked on those 500 swings a day in the cage. Maybe I missed that, too. Those players had long term expensive deals, surely that couldn’t be a factor, could it?…

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 5:48 pm

        Obviously you have missed a lot.
        But isn’t required to to agree with everything Krukow says to know that he *does* know pitching. It’s also interesting that guys like Snarkk and Kat who exist only to rip players, are among the first to rip others for doing it…
        And have you paid any atterntion at all to a season long trashing of Timmy by Flavor? Don’t get me wrong, he has a right to his opinon too, but knocking Krukow for crticizing Tim is ignorant BS.
        As far as Belt, Kruk reported what management told him- as did Craig, BTW.

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:27 pm

        I haven’t missed a damn thing about Belt. I’ve paid attention to his trials and tribulations at least as much as you. I’ve ripped Tim last year and this year, too. So get off your passive/aggressive high horse. It’s tiresome…

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:44 pm

        You missed the point about Belt and Lincecum- they were were both ripped through out the season- by Craig. Yet you and Zumie clam up like you’re frightened of Craig and jump on the smallest criticism from me. It’s hypocritical bullshit.

        On the comment about my lack of success, you’re not talking to Kat Goober, you and I both know that was a personal attack, your M.O. is established. Fuck off.

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:49 pm

        “… guys like Snarkk and Kat who exist only to rip players”. That’s a personal attack! I am offended to the core! Oh the humanity!…

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:53 pm

        Dude, get off the personal attack stuff. Kat’s context was baseball success. And so was mine, quite obviously. If you don’t get that, too bad. You personally attack people CONSTANTLY. And, nobody gives a shit in the end. So, get off your holier than thou deal, it’s quite ridiculous…

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:55 pm

        Nah, it would be a personal attack if I said you’ve ripped them because of your own lack of success…

    • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 5:56 pm

      Obviously Kat’s stupid remark means none of us can critique the players. So move along, boys,

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:28 pm

        Kat’s entitled to his remark, as is anybody else here…

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:34 pm

        No, he said we aren’t. Or maybe you have three CYs. What he said was dumb.

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:37 pm

        That’s your opinion. You’re entitled to it, as is Kat entitled to his…

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:49 pm

        Yes, he has a right to ignorant, stupid, uninformed opinions.- the idea that a guy has to have CY awards to critizize another player is beyond dumb and you know it. Or do you endorse that ?

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:54 pm

        You know what, I may not agree with Kat. But, I don’t call him dumb. That’s your MO…

  10. snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    Score update from Scottsdale:
    Chiefs 12, Niners 0. KC is improving and Alex isn’t even there yet…

  11. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    KC: 18 hits
    Giants: 2
    through 6.
    Back to back triples by Blanco and Nooooooooonan.
    I hope he keeps hitting, I am looking forward to saying his name……

  12. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    O/U on how many Monta drops on the W’s tonight: 36.5 (Flavor’s line, not Vegas).

  13. Macdog's avatar Macdog said, on March 9, 2013 at 3:00 pm

    Mexico and Canada might declare war after this WBC donnybrook.

  14. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 4:32 pm

    I’ve not been much of a fan of Ann Killion’s writing, but then again, she was writing mostly about the A’s, but maybe I should reconsider. Her column in the Chronicle today was a downright instant classic. On the surface, it’s an article about the WBC, and a press conference with Bud Selig; but it goes deeper beyond that. The column turns into a surreal journey into the addled mind of Selig, a guy who has spent many years bringing his car salesman mentality to baseball. I highly recommend her column today.

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 4:37 pm

      Correction- it was a game story. And it connects very well with BF’s topic today.
      http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Sergio-Romo-saves-Mexico-win-over-U-S-4341219.php

      • chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:08 pm

        Good story…thanks for sharing. I have read a few pieces by Killion that I have liked. I heard her on KNBR this afternoon with Marty Lurie…she had some good points on the WBC and the commish.

      • chipower9's avatar chipower9 said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:18 pm

        This is exactly one of the points Killion made with on KNBR:

        “Bud Selig insists his WBC baby is brilliant. He applauded the event as “a great vehicle to internationalize the sport.” He used that phrase about a dozen more times and added, “If we do it right, you won’t recognize the sport in a decade.” I’m not sure that’s a comforting thought to people who adore baseball precisely because it is recognizable from decade to decade, era to era, even century to century.”

        Basically she said what most of us surmise in that Selig’s main goal is to make money for himself and the owners, and the game be damned. The part that really got me was the “If we do it right, you won’t recognize the sport in a decade.” We can only hope that he fails…what a tool.

  15. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 4:43 pm

    This Puerto Rico/Venezuela game is pretty entertaining. It’s featured a Zambrano meltdown, and a bunch of Giants getting key hits.

  16. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Zumie, thanks for the link. I usually skip *all things Killion*. Bud knows how to make $$$ and if he wants to see a *breathtaking* world series of the US Champ vs “the rest of the world champ” and he can make money for everyone, it just might happen.
    I’m not sure how it would work, they’d probably have to start by lopping 20 games or so off the schedule and I don’t know how he makes any money from there. Too much to make up, even in a *World WORLD Series*.
    Plus, if they played it right after our World Series there could be some bizarre situations. For instance, if Detroit wins the US World Series (haha, like a bunch of fat fucks from Detroit could EVER do that!) while Venezuela is busy concurrently winning “The Rest of the World Series” (I know, how would they win it without Miggy, Pablo, Car-Go etc…Maybe Torres’ oblique cools down and he leads them there) it would be a little kludgy to see MIggy hop over to the Venezuela team for the *World WORLD Series*….
    Fuck it, too complicated, it’ll never happen.
    But I put nothing past Bud, especially if it makes a shitload of dough………

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 5:03 pm

      I thought it was bad form for him to say his goal was to someday have a “real” World Series. The World Series already is real enough for U.S. baseball fans. Yeah, the name “World Series” is a little pompous in hindsight, but it’s the name we’re kind of stuck with. (grin)

  17. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 5:00 pm

    I don’t have a fucking single thing to do tonight so USA in a *must-win* vs Italy with Voggy taking the hill is at the top of my priority list after what I’m cooking for dinner……

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 5:05 pm

      That game could be fairly interesting. There’s just enough talent on the Italian team to make it a possible worry to the U.S. team. And Joe Torre is facing possible absolute humiliation tonight.

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 5:47 pm

        Torre getting humiliated almost makes me root for Italy tonight

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 5:28 pm

      Sounds like pasta, Italian sausage, and a bottle of Sangiovese would be nice with the Italy game. Oh, and a look alike for a 25 year old Claudia Cardinale…
      http://tinyurl.com/adgave9

  18. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    Miggy is fucking slower than slow. Panda hacking right handed as I type. I LOVE watching the players celebrate openly. Fuck all this stoic shit and everyone afraid to “dis” a guy.
    Panda K’d and Puerto Rico just exploded with roar

  19. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    While it’s true that Krukow is harder on young players than the veterans, it’s not true that the vets are spared. What Snarkk really means is that Kruk doesn’t harp on it 24/7.
    In any case, we all have a right to our opionions and the comment that I’ve never achieved success is out of line.

    • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on March 9, 2013 at 7:15 pm

      How does one define success?

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 7:32 pm

        I can’t wait for your answer to this, Loo.
        Hey, what was your buddy’s name from years ago who used to bust guys heads together like coconuts? I was thinking about him today driving around, swear to God. Couldn’t remember his name…….
        I fuckin’ love that guy.

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:32 pm

        Is that a serious question? If so, it’s an easy one for me- leading a good life and keeping that most important vow of all.. in sickness and in health.. For some it may be being sober at 4 P.M. How do you define it, Loo?

    • Alleykat's avatar Alleykat said, on March 9, 2013 at 7:41 pm

      Yes we all have a right to our opinionere Twin.And I’m just saying Tim with Yes 2 CY Young’s and you can add Mike McCormick. with his for a 3 rd winner of a CY Young’ since you obviously forgot about,trumps whatever venom Krukow has to say.I will agree that he loves to reem a new asshole to a Rook over a Vet,especially with Aubrey Huff or a washed up Big Titty or even better Randy Winn and his pathetic 2 HR last season he played,and couldn’t lay down a bunt by the end of the season for a freakin hit just,but Kruk protected him all year instead of laying into him that any Flapper or knowledgable baseball fan could see. He just rubs me the wrong way with his arrogance.He,s no HOF player,he’s just a corporate kiss ass.That’s MY Personal
      Opinion.

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:53 pm

        And you have a right to even uninformed and ignorant opinions. Kruk’s career in no way disqualifies him from critiquing Tim or any other player. Disagree with him, fine- but it’s moronic to even suggest that his observations have no merit because he has no CYs.
        I think there was a thread about pitching coaches recently. Do some homework for a change- how many had good careers?
        Winning a CY doesn’t mean a guy is expert on the hows and whys of pitching. Hey, you’re a big hitting with RISP dude. Who led the the team in 2009? Pathetic Randy Winn, pal.
        But anyway, what you’ve said eliminates all of us from commenting on the players, so you first- boogie. Write often.

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:28 pm

        I forgot McCormick? As if he has anythingh to do with it . WTF is that? Your numbskull idea that a guy has to have a CY to criticize Tim is one of the mind numbingly stupid comments ever. That’s not opinion-it’s fact. And now- he not only has to have THREE CYs, Kruk has to be in the fucking HOF to speak on pitching.

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm

      The success comment follows Kat’s regarding baseball success and Kruk. Your 11:29 am post obviously follows in the context of baseball success. So, you’re great at spreading a comment way further than the obvious intent, which was regarding baseball success. Nobody on this blog, to my knowledge, has had pro baseball success, yet we critique players every day. Feel offended if you want, everybody else here feel free to be offended then, because we’re all in the same critiquing boat. If you’ve been a pro baseball player, please advise…

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:01 pm

        You’re confusing his comment and yours. He said Kruk had no right knocking Timmy because Kruk had no CYs- that is what I responded to with Kat- it was dumb. Clearly. No question. Your rely to me was what what you intended it to be- a snarkky personal attack that you could claim “plausivle deniablity” about.
        And no- I don’t make make “persaonal attacks”. You obviously don’t know the differance between a peresonal attack and an attack on the credibilty of a comment.

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:04 pm

        I’m confusing nothing. Your comment on his comment was in the context of baseball success, it’s obvious. So, cut the personal affront nonsense, nobody here has had pro baseball success, unless they’re hiding it from us all. I’m done with this nonsense, you can keep going. Maybe continue with Chuck in the next day or two as you gin up another tempest…

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:16 pm

        I was still editing my remark when you blundered in. I never said Kat’s comment was not in the context of baseball- I said the comment was stupid- unless you think almost all pitching coaches have no right to counsel their guys, you would have to agree…
        But again, don’t fuck with me, I know damn well what you meant. There was zero reason for the comment otherwise.

      • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:23 pm

        You always “know” what other people mean, even in derogation of what they say or in context of what is said. So you can assert how special and smarter you are than they. No opinion escapes your truth machine. That’s quite a quality. Must be nice …

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:41 pm

        That’s not true that I claim to know what everybody else really means. I do say it about you because you are so transparent. And cut the crap about me thinking I’m better than anybody else- I’ve been wrong and I’m as forthright about that as when when I’m right. I *do* know when I’m right, though. If that means I’m smarter than someone who doesn’t know when they’re wrong, so be it- then I’m smarter.
        Look, you did a nice thing for me, but in the future, why don’t you let Kat handle his own responses, he’s a big boy.

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 11:53 pm

        I didn’t play pro ball, as I’ve recounted several times, I was offered a minor league contract in 1965 by Minnesota. It was turned down on my behalf by my Dad. I went in the Navy instead.Chuck has mistakingly( and innocently) said that I played pro ball, I never did. Even I was confused then, I thought they were offering a contract with Bismarck-Mandan, actually that team folded in 1964, I would have gone to St. Cloud. My Dad thought it was a favor for him and that I would been been cut quickly…probably true, but still I’ll always wonder.

  20. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    This USA LU is loaded top to bottom. They should win this as-is. And if they don’t, it’s because they’re unfamiliar with some of these pitchers (and it’s ST for them).

  21. Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    Luca Panerati? This is why this is a cool competition. The US sends a decently loaded LU and is getting shut down by some stiff while Voggy leaks at the seams…..
    Anything can happen in a few innings in baseball, or even a few games, especially for ballplayers who don’t know anything about their competition.
    If Panerati can shut down Braun, Mauer, Stanton etc who’s to say he couldn’t shut down any US hitter that we could have sent?

  22. xoot's avatar xoot said, on March 9, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    Killion has been superficial and sloppy since she joined the chronicle last year. The article on Romo and the WBC used quotations skillfully, but Killion’s own attempts at insight were, as usual, insipid.

    I read the other day that the WBC draws more tv viewers in Japan than does the Olympics. It’s really a tv-driven tournament, worldwide. Friend of mine claims that’s why it’s doomed — because, he claims, baseball’s a tv sport only for real fans who know what’s going on every moment, unlike soccer, I guess. I dislike pro soccer almost as much as I dislike Killion. I’m not sure my friend’s right about baseball on tv, he’s an AAA’s fan, but I do believe Selig’s vision is based on tv revenue, and so forth. The PR push to support it now is just bullshit to try to get everyone in the US to back off and let it develop.

    Baseball follows the pagan calendar. It starts as winter recedes, picks up momentum as spring approaches, and then roars through spring and summer, until it concludes as fall descends. There ain’t no room in there for the WBC.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 7:25 pm

      the other thing about baseball is, it’s a marathon. It’s a long road. You can be some dipshit pitcher and get major leaguers out for a few at bats or even pitch a few games before they get a book on you (or before they, you know, just start hitting your average shit). But over the course of 162 games, you are either exposed as legit or a fraud. And for those fringe guys, that’s the thin line between staying on the team (Arias) or heading to Korea (lots of guys).
      True, a team still has to get hot in the playoffs to win the Series. But by the time they get there they are at their peak in terms of focus and knowledge of each other. Physically, some of them may be gassed and playing on fumes but playing now, barely into your spring training, almost seems like more of a detriment to me.

      • xoot's avatar xoot said, on March 9, 2013 at 9:56 pm

        Yes.

  23. Brian's avatar Brian said, on March 9, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Even though I’m not watching, I think the WBC is a great warmup for the season. It’s two weeks for chrissakes. If people in the Dominican, Mexico, Taiwan etc are into it and enough players want to participate, great.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 7:44 pm

      Agreed. Why the fuck not?

    • xoot's avatar xoot said, on March 9, 2013 at 9:58 pm

      The baseball season’s a long arc. The WBC is a little whirlpool miniseason that, at best, will only disrupt the usual, but, at worst, may . . . . well, we’ll see.

  24. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Yet we always get the Cy Young bullshit from the usual suspects whenever a “career mediocrity” shuts us down.Even in their championship seasons, the angst and dread whenever the team doesn’t hit for a few games dominates the blog. I should bill the worst offenders for talking them off their ledges a couple dozen times a year.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 7:52 pm

      Come on, you didn’t enjoy that Wright salami even a little bit?

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 7:59 pm

        I guess you’re talking about something that happened in the WBC tonight. I’m watching basketball and some home decorating show.

      • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:18 pm

        you’re missing out. it was a nice baseball *moment*

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 9:19 pm

        If I ever want to, I can watch it. For now, I think that patio is just not sufficient for large scale entertaining. And no water at the outdoor kitchen,a no-no. The third bedroom *could* be an office, if one’s business is watching porn.,..

  25. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:03 pm

    Flav: The answer to your earlier question is “Buzzsaw” Rodriguez.
    I wonder if he still goes by that name.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:14 pm

      BUZZSAW! Fuck yeah, thought I was losing it there for while. Did he pull most of the pussy too or was he just there to head crack for ya?

      • DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:39 pm

        He liked to intimidate and beat up wise-asses. And since I attracted them we were a great team. Not too successful in the chick department.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:18 pm

      now, about this *definition of success* answer…..

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 9:07 pm

        Which part do you have a problem with? And why the question at all? It’s snarrky.

  26. DJLoo's avatar DJLoo said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    I wonder if Dennis bet Fort Larned today. Yikes!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfi3Nesd4Xw&feature=youtu.be

  27. dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Can the link to most recent comments be restored? I know it is trivial but it is a nice feature.

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:16 pm

      Dirt, I don’t just bring it, I FUCKING BRING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:17 pm

      how many you want? 3? 5? 36?

      • dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:51 pm

        3 works. Heck even 1 is fine. Makes it easier to get to the bottom of the thread.

  28. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:20 pm

    Does anyone know who the starting pitcher is for the U.S. against Canada tomorrow? This MLB broadcast is stingy with certain types of information. Like, as important as pitchcount is, they don’t give any updates on pitchcount.

  29. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Great moment in the broadcast- the camera finds Wells and Trout in the stands watching the game, and Kaat says something like “Hey, why aren’t you guys suiting up? Well…..maybe not Wells….”

  30. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Cool for Fleming- he has the call for #1 Gonzaga’s game tonight. (I’m finding Gonzaga’s #1 status a bit suspect, though.)

    • Flavor's avatar Flavor said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:33 pm

      Flem is better at basketball than baseball. There, I said it. Let the word spread like wild fire!

      • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:39 pm

        Yeah, he’s already a #1 level basketball guy, but it’ll be many years before he’s a #1 level baseball guy, if ever. He’s a very solid #2 baseball guy, which is fine.

      • Chico's avatar Chico said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:50 pm

        Yeah, he hasn’t grown on me at all. Plus, he’s a Furd honk šŸ˜‰

    • snarkk's avatar snarkk said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:40 pm

      Flemm kinda has a little McCarver type explanation style to the masses to him. It’s a little annoying, given that the radio audience on KNBR has to be pretty die hard Giants fans, so they know the game. That’s one small criticism I would have of him, as a fan. He’s better than serviceable, he’s good, but he’s not a lead baseball announcer yet…

  31. Chico's avatar Chico said, on March 9, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    If you’re into baseball brawls, Canada vs Mexico was actually pretty good… Most of us aren’t taking the WBC seriously, but the players are.. Canada won twice today.

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 9:01 pm

      Not a great moment for Dodger Luis Cruz, shown clearly signalling to his pitcher to hit the batter.

      • Chico's avatar Chico said, on March 9, 2013 at 9:04 pm

        And throwing a punch, and running away like a little bitch, to boot.. Typical Dodger..

  32. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    As I’ve said, Fleming just needs some gray on his head, and wrinkle or two. The minimum age to be be a play-play guy should be 50. But he’s fine, he’ll get there…
    On a previous announcer comment- Scully and Enberg may have lost some of what they they had in their prime, but they are two of the giants of the profession . And gee, not a Cy Young between ’em. I hope Vinnie hasn’t said anything bad about Kershaw…

    • zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 9:06 pm

      I think I could actually hear the sound of Scully biting his tongue during Juan Uribe at-bats.

      • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 9:14 pm

        So he hasn’t lost everything. Juan’s pretty brutal to watch the last couple years. I got a kick when someone was giving credit to 2-Trips for grooming him to back up Gonzo. I’m tellin’ ya, everybody be wantin’ a .191 reserve ready to take over…

  33. zumiee's avatar zumiee said, on March 9, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    It could be pretty amusing watching some of these WBC teams trying to play at AT&T Park. Some of the players will be going “What the….”

  34. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    Curry could be the dumbest guard in the game. He commits some of the stupidest fouls in crunch time. Even as poorly they played last last night, they probably win if he doesn’t commit two horrible fouls at the end. I’ll take Monta/Jennings over Curry/Thompson any ole day.
    And I’m offering 1,000 bucks to anyone who knocks the cud out of Curry’s mouth…

    • willedav's avatar willedav said, on March 10, 2013 at 7:56 am

      um, no. Monta has talent, but he doesn’t want to share the ball with anyone. Steph is a better shooter and will pass the ball to open players. Monta is still thinking shot when he is triple teamed and passes only out of desperation. And Klay is growing into a very solid player learning to play d in nba.

    • twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 10, 2013 at 8:19 am

      The Buck backcourt as a whole has disproved the faulty theory about about Ellis.Jennings and Monta both share the ball and have been more productive than Curry/Thompson.

  35. TedSpe's avatar TedSpe said, on March 9, 2013 at 10:42 pm
    • dirtnrocksnomo's avatar dirtnrocksnomo said, on March 10, 2013 at 8:24 am

      Haha, love The Shat.

  36. twinfan1's avatar twinfan1 said, on March 10, 2013 at 12:02 am

    That’s too scary to even look at.

  37. blade3colorado's avatar blade3colorado said, on March 10, 2013 at 12:26 am

    Fuck, I thought it was my stupid tablet and android system that wouldn’t show the most “Recent Comments” section, which for me is quite useful, insofar as getting to the bottom of the thread (usually) and/or keeping up with new comments. In short, I am glad Dirt piped up and Flav restored the feature.

  38. willedav's avatar willedav said, on March 10, 2013 at 8:03 am

    Flem is great for b-ball; SMC game last night was really entertaining. I love Delly, someone who gets most out of his ability. That game is also why I dig the conference tourneys more—a lot of close games, often featuring teams who will wind up getting blown out in first round. Here they are fighting conference foes tooth and nail for a chance to dance.
    I hate Zags, but they are really good.
    I don’t like Cal women’s team of bricklayers either, and the coach is ridiculous the way she sticks up for them publicly no matter how badly they play. Cooper of SC was right along, and everyone knows they can’t shoot and will pack in a zone to beat them. See how they respond now they’ve been thrashed on neutral site.


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