Timmy Pitched Below Average and it’s Call up Prospects Time!
Timmy threw a *quality start* last night. Really? Cause I thought he wasn’t very good. There are few things more inappropriately defined than a “quality start”. 6 innings, 3 runs or less? Pfffftttttt. What about if you walk 5 guys, does that still make it a “quality start”? If they changed the name of it to a “qualified” start I don’t think the name would bother me as much. So please make a note of that. It’s called a “qualified start” from here on out. I gotta remember to change that at wikipedia…. 🙂
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Wil Myers just got called up by Tampa Bay and as usual, it will be exciting to see how he does. It’s always fun to see how these guys do when all eyes are on them. It’s a tough situation they’re bringing him into. The Rays have a bunch of vets clogging up various different positions. Myers is going to get playing time but if he doesn’t start hitting right away you can bet he’ll start to feel the pressure. And his first two series at this level are at Boston and then New York. Nope, they are not easing him into this.
Speaking of phenom’s, Zach Wheeler is making his major league debut tomorrow. If there’s one thing I can’t stand, it’s listening to idiot KNBR callers who STILL call in trippin’ on us no longer having Wheeler. Relax. Let it go. He’s gone. We have won a World Series since we traded him. Anyone who looks back on that saying Sabean screwed up doesn’t understand the concept of trading in major league baseball. Sabean pushed all his chips in and I applaud his efforts. We needed a guy like Beltran to make a push that year and it almost worked and probably would have worked had he held up his end of the “deal” and played well from the start of his time with us.
It’s great when guys like Zach Wheeler are brought up through the system and turn into guys like Cain and Timmy. But he hasn’t done that yet and easily may never will. Again, we’ve won a World Series since we used him as currency. We didn’t get what we thought we were paying for but that’s no reason to say Sabean screwed up. He didn’t.
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Pop Quiz: what do the White Sox, the Blue Jays, the Angels, the Dodgers, the Phillies and the Nats all have in common?
A: well, probably a lot of things. For starters, none of those teams are any good. They have a combined payroll of 867 million dollars. Together, those 6 teams are 37 games under .500. And not one of them is playing .500+ ball this season (the Nats are best at .500). That is staggering futility for so much dough. Why are those 6 teams 37 games under .500? Any ideas?
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Sabean didn’t fuck up by trading for Beltran, he fucked up by including Wheeler in the deal when we were thin in starting pitching and Wheeler was by far our best pitching prospect, He pulled Brown out of the package because he thought Wheeler was farther away. Wrong…
Funny too, but even after parting ways with Beltran, a year later Sabes still went out and dealt for a $13 mil OF in Pence. As it worked out, seems SF eventually wound up with the better player.
I watched the Sox fail to score last week vs. A’s–they actually have decent pitching even though their offense has been bottom of the league, ala Nats. Wonder if we could pry someone loose from the Sox rotation?
I wouldn’t mind having Cliff Lee here for a couple more years either. Given what you are paying Z and Tim to be bottom of rotation guys now, I think Lee would do fine here. Hey, SF continues to sell out and rake in dough, with a good shot at postseason play, which rakes in way more dough longer you go. Spend what you have to, to get where you want to go.
Sabean is not worried about failing. He keeps being active in acquiring talent. Of course mistakes are made on some players. No one is immune to failure. It’s how you deal with it that makes or breaks you.
I am SO fucking tired of Tim Lincecum starts. As I have said…he will always hold a special place in my heart for his contributions in our two World Series title years. Agree on the quality VS. qualified start. Tim’s recent outing was, at best, a “qualified start.” I think the walks are related to him not hitting the strike zone, and I DO NOT think it is he CANNOT…but I think he knows he will get lit the hell up when he comes into the zone. I am so ready for Sabes to get a starter and to see Tim go to the bullpen (probably won’t happen, but I think that is the change that would have the best immediate returns for the team).
I like Lee, WillieD…love his numbers (sub 1 WHIP), but you would be biting off a 75 mil commitment for two years and change. He is owed 25 this year (half a season cost you 12.5). 2014 and 2015 at 25 each. 27.5 mil option for 2016 with a 12.5 mil buyout. I don’t see the Giants committing that kind of coin for one starter.
And agree. I am SO fucking over the Wheeler deal. Every time I hear someone moaning about that deal, I just want to slap them and tell ’em to SHUT THE FUCK UP!
There’s a diff between “moaning” about it and pointing up some reasons why it wasn’t the best deal we could have made to get him. Since when has disagreeing with past decisions become a no-no, anyway? We have people bitching about Tony Fucking Torcato, ferchrissakes..Anyway, please don’t slap me, Chi. I bruise easily 😉
Bottom line you don’t freakin score a run you don’t win.
Agree Kat…but has absolutely nothing to do with my being fed the hell up with Tim’s starts. I just don’t see it turning around for the better…
And I am not dooming on the season. Hell, we are not even to the half-way point, and I am sure Sabes will make some moves…just so very very tired of the same old shit from Tim.
“Quality Start” may indeed be a vastly overrated stat. So I’m going to introduce the “crummy start” which I will define as 6 innings or less , 5 runs or more. Unearned runs count because around these parts we don’t give any pitcher a break when he gags it up after an error is committed behind him. Without further ado, here are this year’s Crummy efforts to date:
Cain: 3 (4-7, 4-18, 6-1)
MadBum: 3 ( 5-6, 5-17, 6-1)
Timmy: 4 ( 4-9, 5-1, 5-18, 5-29)
Zits: 5 (4-16, 4-27, 5-14, 5-19, 6-12)
Vogie: 6 ( in 9 starts, it’s too much bother to list ’em, look it up if interested)
Gaudin: 0
What does it mean? Nearly a third of the starts by our once vaunted staff have been crummy lowdown dirty efforts- THAT is the problem with this team.
BTW, Timmy ain’t going the bullpen anytime soon.
Michael – I have always prefaced my desires to see Tim in the bullpen with a “probably won’t happen.” Doesn’t change my thoughts that the addition of another starter and Tim being in the bullpen would be a GOOD THING for the team.
Well, he gave up 3 runs and Vungo’s misplays had a direct hand in 2 of them ( Tim didn’t blow up after the miscues, BTW ). Tim may have been painful to watch but he did gut out 6 innings and was still throwing 91 through 6 on a night that was 80 degrees w/70 humidity at 9 P.M. I think it was a very encouraging start and I disagree that that going to the pen would be better for the team.
According to Schilling Logic, this pitcher’s success in his career was in spite of his horrible pitching mechanics. If only he’d had Schilling’s pitching mechanics, he could have been so much better:
zumiee, great minds think alike. As you were posting about mechanics, so was I. Schilling is a goon. And we all let him know it by the Willie Mays Gate before Game 1 of the Series.
love that photo! I signed BASEBALL’S STARRY NIGHT for Magnus right by that statue — the statue of limitations, hahahahha
Sucky game last night. As my 16yo daughter said, it was boring. I agree. We never mounted a threat except for loading the bases up. And petering out. Timmy was not fun to watch. There were three very good catches, two of them by Blanco. And I got to see what y’all been saying about Vungo in the field. Why is it that Schilling bothers the shit out of me? Is it because he is an eejit? His box around the pitcher either did not make sense to me or it was moronic. He complained about Timmy’s mechanics. But those were the same basic mechanics he had when he won two Cy Youngs, right? And Curt did not say how to change those mechanics anyway. At least one of the announcers, maybe Dan Shulman, gave some props to the giants for winning two World Series and saying no one ever talks about them. there, he said it. The nine-game road trip seemed like 19 games, didn’t it? It’s hard to believe we were 4-5 on it.
My wife is a Braves fan, her team was WINNING, and she kept saying how horrible Schilling is. She found him to be an egomaniacal negative schmuck. In other words, she was spot-on.
I mentioned to her what a right-wing jerk he also is; and she said: it figures.
If Torres doesn’t give up a couple runs, maybe the game goes differently. No way to know.
As far as Torres goes, what do we do? He needs to either get his shit together or move on. Yeah, he has issues, or whatever. We all have issues. But this isn’t the time to be dealing with them. If he’s out of sorts, DL him and have him work it out in Fresno. He can’t keep on flailing around in the OF. Putting him in CF would be tantamount to disaster. I’d take Perez in CF and Blanco in LF.
To be fair to him, I’d only pin one run on him. But it was lame. His not heartily pursuing the ball after it got by him gave me bad memories of the Angels taking extra bases on our outfield in the 2002 WS, including off your beloved Mr. Bonds. Yup.
Bochy will deal with it the proper way.
For a nanosecond, I thought Bochy might pull a Billy Martin on Torres. Did you see him and Rags after the blunder? They were animated, talking, moving about. In fact, Rags may’ve walked to the mound just to settle things down. I know, I know, Bochy would never humiliate a player the way Billy Martin did to Reggie Jackson (not that race played any part in that, in 1978, oh no).
Agree Twin. Bochy has to stick the kid Perez in CF and leave him there.PerezCF,Blanco LF,The Reverend in Right is our best OF.
Pagan just got an injection for his knee and theirs no timetable for his return,over 20 games now he’s been out.Should have DL his ass sooner.
his knee??? weren’t they saying it was his hamstring?? Gawd.
That’s not what he’ll do, Kat. ( the OF alignment). They value Andres’ bat against LHers and Bochy will exhibit the patience that most value in him as manager. With that said, it’s not infinite patience. Vungo will have to come around to his past form in the field-and soon.
IMO.
BTW, I honestly feel the Giants would have won last night if Sandoval, Pagan, or Scutaro were in the lineup — any one of them, and certainly if all three had been.
Well, defensively Gregor would been in left but Pa-GONE would been in center. Blanco makes the plays Vungo didn’t, Angel doesn’t make the plays Gregor made in center. Net loss.
As I said last night, Timmy threw 20+ pitchers in the first and Bloody Filthy Sock ragged on Tim on virtually every one of them. He had a couple decent points that were made the first of the 50 frigging times he brought them up.
Right you are. But I think we have renamed him Bloody Ketchup Sock.
Funny part was one announcer talking about the year Posey’s 2012 season, batting champ, comeback player of the year, NL MVP, and the utmost respect of everyone in the league. Schill(ing) sez, “He makes me think of Derek Jeter.” And nothing else. WTF? Brilliant insight, you fucking clown (no disrespect, Bozo).
Bill Maher once said “The love that Republican men have for Ronald Reagan is almost gay.”
The same could be said for the love of broadcasters for Derek Jeter. The rest of the nation generally doesn’t share that love for Jeter. He has been a very good player in his career, but he also played on teams loaded with very good players, given the Yankees payroll.
Regarding hamstrings and the knee- I’m no doctor, and I don’t play one on TV, but the hamstring attaches somewhere behind the knee. In fact, the one real bad hamstring pull I ever had was when I was playing a pick-up basketball game in my early 20s, and the pain was mostly right behind my knee. I could hardly walk. I’ve always felt sympathy for athletes who pull a hamstring. It really makes it hard to walk, much less run.
Maybe it doesn’t matter, but at some point, I’d like to know if Pagan was hurt during the celebration after the homerun or if it was before that. No one will say when it happened.
20+ adult professional athletes pounding on you and shoving you…..what could go wrong?
Well, he said he hurt it in pregame outfield drills.
Thanks for the info on that.
I’ll take him at his word, but it’s hard not to wonder.
I agree.
I thought Pagan said he hurt it on a catch earlier in that game. Seeing as he didn’t start limping until after the game and celebration, well . . .
As Hilary said, what bleeping difference does it make?
Z asked and a couple of us tried to answer his question. That’s now a problem ?
Nice progress for Chris Stratton.
Last start 6 IP 2 hits 2BB 9K’s 0 runs,I would qualify that as a solid start.
I think you’re right on when he said he injured it, Chuck. But he limped off and on for weeks. Sort of like Marty Feldman’s hump..
“Pardon me, boy. Is this the Transylvania station?”
Enjoy the day, folks. See ya later today. Yes, that’s a threat 😉
Hope the homecoming brings a little winning streak with it. AZ is scuffling, and it would be nice to blow by them and create a little space.
What I mean is for as shaky as the roadie was, we gained ground on AZ.
BLEEP!
The pisser(s) about the Vungo screw up was, he didn’t exactly pursue the gaffe with gusto, and then he lollipopped the throw back to the infield.
I know. Get over it.
Some funny shit I just read in Baggs column . . . “Instead, the trip ended with a blown save in the ninth Saturday and then a dribbler to left field that a Ball Dude stops 99 times out of 100.” I went to a movie last night and didn’t see the game; so If anyone has a link of video to this play and the other one he misplayed, I’m interested.
Knuklehead of the week award goes to Miguel Olivo!!
Left the team after batting practice without permission.
Manager Mike Redmond said: “I’ve never been involved in something like that-to have somebody just leave after batting practice,”Redmond said.
I think everyone was kind of in shock.I know it wasn’t an ideal situation for him…but at the same time the team relies on you.”
The problem with Torres (and I agree he was way too fucking lackadaisical once the one ball got by him) is that you have a 4 or 5 OFer starting. Agree with others that you play Perez in CF, slide Blanco over to LF and have Pence in RF.
Torres has been too good defensively in the past to be bailing on him, and I doubt that Bochy will, especially against LHers where he’s .324/.372/.808. I suppose they might platoon him with Perez until Pagan returns….
The past is over. His present is the problem.
And they value his “present” at the plate against LHers, neither Pagan or Blanco hits them.., they’ll try deal with the problems defensively. I believe Bochy when he says he’s sticking by him and I think it’s the right thing to do. You and others had him DFaed in early 2010 as well.
Well, there’s a righty tonight . . .
And they’re trying Perez . If Vungo sits against the next LHer, it will look like they’re bailing. They’ve been spotting Perez already.,.
I am not suggesting they bail on him…just stating that I don’t see him as an everyday OFer. I’m down with the platoon. If Pagan was healthy, we’re not having this conversation.
Then the conversation would/should be why the worst CFer on the team is playing CF and why the 10 million dollar guy is hitting like the 2 million guy.
BTW, I campaigned for Perez- to be what he is- the 5th OFer. If he turns out to be good enough to unseat Vungo, good on him and good for the team if he can.
1. Gregor Blanco (L) LF
2. Tony Abreu (S) 2B
3. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
4. Hunter Pence (R) RF
5. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
6. Joaquin Arias (R) 3B
7. Hector Sanchez (S) C
8. Juan Perez (R) CF
9. Barry Zito (L) P
Buster with a breather. MudBug in the 3 hole…that’s a first for this year.
Another LU that has a major, major triple A feel to it. But Volquez is a guy who gives up a lot of walks and a lot of hits so if the hitters are patient we’ll be ok. But I’m counting 4, maybe 4.5, guys in that LU who don’t play regularly and we all know how *patient* those type of hitters are……..
OK, I’m out.
Bochy has sheduled a meeting with reporters in his office at 5:30. I don’t know whether that’s unusual or not, but it feels like an announcement. Baggs said he took Torres into his office last night as the press left. Maybe Bochy isn’t sticking with him. Or maybe he’s announcing that Pagan will be back any durn day now…
OK,, later…
Huston Street on KNBR earlier today and he was asked about the *Super Reliever* role for Lincecum (Street played that role for Texas in college). He said it worked in college because most of the games are played F-Sun so his arm had time to bounce back even if he pitched 2 or 3 games on the weekend. He noted the similarity to the playoffs (and last year) when games aren’t played every day so you could conceivably have a super reliever ready to go almost every game (as we did with Timmy).
He said it wouldn’t work in the regular mlb season because it’s such a daily grind.
I hear all that and it was an interesting take from someone who played the game, so I respect it a little bit more. But Bochy wouldn’t HAVE to use Timmy every game, theoretically he’s got 3 or 4 horses in his starting rotation. But how many times have we seen Zito go 5 or 6 and then go tits up in the 6th or 7th? It happened often last year. If Timmy was in the BP he could be brought in after Zito gets through 5 or so. Same thing with Gaudin (Bochy obviously left him in too long in his last start). Plus it would have the added benefit of maybe keeping the starters a little fresher as we head into Sept and the playoffs……
I think there’s a role that Timmy could fill nicely in the BP. Of course, Sabes has to go out and get another starter or, if Gaudin is still ok when Voggy gets back, he could make the switch then.
I’d go get another starter. Trade Brown for any of the names we’ve bantered around………
Yeah, Craig, I know Tim had the supposed quality start last night, statistically, but just watching him pitch the first few innings was disconcerting. He looks like he has no clue. Why he seems to *have a clue* coming in from the pen, I have no idea. All the discussions here seem to say there’s no way he’s headed to the pen anytime soon, but watching last night’s game, it was difficult to imagine him starting too many more games like that. While it generally is indeed too early to make a major trade for a starter, I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens sooner rather than later.
I’m not so sure he “doesn’t have a clue.” As I said earlier…I think it might be that he knows if he goes into the heart of the zone regularly with that 90-91 MPH fastball, he is going to get hit. Just a theory…
Agree about the lineup’s AAA feel but it is what it is until the starters get healthy; the subs for Pablo, Pagan, and Scoots have done ok. But did I miss something? Why is Hector Sanchez even up? Is he really an improvement over Q? Not that Q is any great shakes, but Hector, to me, is what makes the lineup look so… minor… And despite the lower than desired numbers that Pagan has put up, per many discussions here, I think the team really misses the stability of Angel at the top of the order. I actually love Blanco, so hopefully he can continue to perform, but I just *feel* better when Pagan is in there, stats be damned. And I don’t mean that literally, in general, for all time, James… 🙂 The team will, of course, be better off once it’s not a patchwork lineup. Live.. through… this. Actually, just win through this…
the fact that we’ve got 3 catcher here, 2 of them who suck, is weird. You really only need one shitty back up catcher, right?
But it beats the El Presidente/Stewart exacta we had to choke down on a daily basis after Posey went down…..Stewart, though, has really been a nice surprise for the Yanks. he’s played pretty well. I wish we still had him as a back up for Posey, especially now that Kontos has hit the skids……..
Does the sewer backup at the O.Crapper hurt/help the A’s search for a new stadium? I don’t think it does much either way. What it hurts, I think, is their ability to get second level FA talent to come there. I would like to have been a fly on the wall in the Giants front office when they heard about the overflow. Smiles to major laughter, I would think…
Bud and his cronies could give a shit about the A’s new stadium. And it’s weird cause Bud and Wolfe were frat bro’s. But I guess Bud doesn’t roll with the age old dude-code: *bros before ho’s*.
Some shit backing up isn’t gonna change his mind. Here’s a type for the Louster (and Fisher): You dipshits are worth over 2 billion, combined. Go build your own stadium. That is, if you REALLY want one……..
Yeah, I don’t get how Fisher gets a pass on all the BS with the A’s. He’s the majority owner, yet Wolfe the front man gets all the bad press…
plus, I’m not certain of this, but I think Fisher is the one with the deep pockets. And right there may be your answer. He clearly isn’t that involved with the team, maybe he’s just like “Build a new stadium on my dime? FUCK that!”. If he cared more, he’d go build it.
If there’s a problem related to Torres and it has to do with his medication, then they should just DL him and get it figured out. But Adderall is quite effective for those who use it and it works (adults and kids). It’s not often that adults need to have their dosage adjusted dramatically once a dosage that works has been established. For kids it does because as kids with ADD get older they get bigger (obviously) and adjustments to their meds get made for that.
I saw something last night somewhere, don’t remember where, about surgery not having been ruled out for Pagan, or some such. Surgery for what — a hammy pull? I don’t get that, anybody have any clue?…
well, it’s a partial tear. If it doesn’t heal on it’s own, it’ll either rip off the bone completely or you could get surgery done to repair what’s torn. I’m not a doctor, I just play one on the blog. 🙂 But that’s my take.
So much for a day to day diagnosis when this first started…
I like that the newbies (Perez, Abreu) are getting a chance to play. This will be invaluable around September. We gained ground on the Snakes while our 3 injured amigos were nursing their owies, so it’s all good in my opinion. No harm, no foul.
Paul, I hope you are enjoying your time in the SF bay area . . . Wish I was there bud. 🙂
Also, I agree with you – Pagan is the man in CF. This 4th, 5th, and 6th best center fielder stuff is minutia in my opinion. He’s our center fielder and helped get us to the promised land last year.
People forget how good Pagan was in CF last year. Once again, the problem with UZR (as well as WAR) is that it doesn’t transfer from year to year in a predictable way. I read the 3 year thing twin cut and pasted yesterday but all that did was support my original theory that both of those metrics have a long way to go before they become more accurate in predicting future performance.
What the “cut and paste” showed, beyond the 3 year warning, is that one has to look at more than one number to get a better grasp on a player’s defensive performance. But saying it’s not perfect yet is reasonable.
It was cut and pasted because it was a very good short explanation as is. There are excellent introductions to UZR on the web for those interested. It’s NOT perfect, but UZR, DRS, and other new stats to measure defensive performance are better than the not so olden days when RF, fielding pct. and Gold Gloves were the benchmark.
In short, it’s not perfect but it is an improvement on earlier ways of measuring defensive prowess.
PaulinSonoma: Here’s the deal with Tim (as I see it). He never had particularly good location but got by with his blazing fastball. But now that his FB is normal he can’t afford to make those 6 inch mistakes off the corners of the plate that he was able to get away with when he was throwing un-hittable shit.
I think his game coming out of the pen works more to his advantage than starting because he doesn’t have to worry about turning a LU over 3 or 4 times. His stuff is more *electric* because he knows he’s only throwing 30 or 40 pitches. He’s got more *gas in the tank* and he can floor it instead of worrying about having to throw 110 pitches…..
Just my 2 cents.
Flav, your earlier post – “I think there’s a role that Timmy could fill nicely in the BP. Of course, Sabes has to go out and get another starter or, if Gaudin is still ok when Voggy gets back, he could make the switch then.
I’d go get another starter. Trade Brown for any of the names we’ve bantered around………”
Coupled with what you posted above, I have been down with that for the most part, especially if we get another starter. Timmy has not made any significant improvement if you take the macro view (last 2 years) . . . Occasionally, he has starts where he looks like the old Timmy (his early May start at home against Atlanta), but those have been few and far between.
If we traded him, I don’t even know what we would receive in return – shit, it could range anywhere between a bag of balls to a first line player . . . depending on his most recent start. Ha. Or do we keep him as is and sign him for a 3 year $30 million contract, hoping on the “come” he will be the old Timmy? Who knows? All speculation, but I am down with trying something new with him as you suggest. This same ol’ same ol’ is bullshit.
his trade value is nil, especially with 12 mil or so still owed to him this year. And the Giants wouldn’t trade him for nothing, especially because he’s so important to the fan base (they love him and he sells merchandise still).
If anyone wants him, they can sign him next year. Some people think Timmy wouldn’t go to the BP willingly but I disagree. You can see it on his face every game, he’s resigned to the reality of these shitty starts over and over. The only way for him to re-establish value for his free agency is to go do something, consistently, well.
That’s the super reliever thing.
I’m certainly no pitching coach. But, I’ve seen Lincecum enough to see that his windup delivery looks out of whack, especially if you compare it to earlier slow mo stuff on youtube. His arm really seems to trail his leading leg more than before, and it seems to me his pitching hand is way further back towards the ground when he’s winding up that slingshot. Anyway, if it were that easy, I guess they’d have fixed it. It’s gotta be partially in his head now, since he walks and gives up hits to the opposing pitchers so much. He can’t get ahead of hitters even though they mostly seem all willing to take the first pitch or even two assuming it’s going to be a wild ass pitch that’s not a strike…
Kawakami posted his article saying the same thing (2 minutes after I posted my 5:17pm):
http://www.mercurynews.com/tim-kawakami/ci_23480417/kawakami-giants-tim-lincecum-destined-bullpen
Various people here and everywhere have been predicting Tim will end up in somebody’s Pen as his next career arc, for probably well over a year. I’m pretty sure I said it sometime at least mid-last season, if not before. In the archives somewhere. So, Kawakami is late to that party. If we’re all proved wrong, then Kawakami is the only one that predicted it… 😉
I saw him live this afternoon , and he didn’t think it was necessarily this year. And Ratto *did* have a good question or two about it- how would they use him? As a glorified Mota? Would his arm stand up to a set up role? But anyway, as I said earlier, painful as it was to watch, he ain’t going to the pen off of efforts like that. On a hot, muggy night he gutted out 6 innings and was still throwing 91 in the sixth.
You asked the same questions, over and over, before he was sent to the bullpen about how Timmy would be used. Bochy used him brilliantly hopefully answering all of your questions. But maybe you have more, who knows
The postseason, with it’s days off, the importance of EVERY game, and a long winter to rest, has no relevence as to how he could be used effectively in the regular season.And I never ask the same questions over and over. Don’t start.
I already explained this, he wouldn’t have to get used every day. And if he’s not being used every day, what’s happening? He’s resting. It would totally work if it was managed by someone who knew what they were doing and we have that person (Boch).
C’mon. We’ve got nothing at AAA, Vogy was having a wretched season and now has to come back from a significant injury, and it isn’t reasonable to expect Gaudin to continue to crank out QUALITY starts.
If we were the Braves or Cards and had great arms up and down the staff, then I’d consider sending Tim to the pen. As it stands now, we can’t afford to do that. I still think he is our 3rd best starting pitcher.
And you be right.
Colorado’s bullpen (Belisle) allowed 2 runs to score in the 8th, negating an excellent 7 inning shutout by De La Rosa. Blue Jays win 2-0. This was the start of their 10-day, nine-game road trip against the Blue Jays, Nationals and Red Sox.
Did your boy Hector Santiago end up righting the ship yesterday?
Dawg, I’m not neutral per some here . . . HEHEHE 🙂 So, this is exactly what ESPN said,
“Santiago threw an effective 5.1 innings Sunday, allowing three runs on five hits and four walks to go with eight strikeouts, during the White Sox’s loss in Houston.
Spin: Santiago has little problem striking out the opposition, considering he has racked up 60 over 57.1 innings in 18 appearances (seven starts) this season. However, walks are occasionally an issue, as he is allowing 4.71 BB/9IP to date. The 25-year-old lefty’s next start arrives Friday in Kansas City, where he has recorded 2.1 scoreless innings of relief.”
Not too shabby!
It didn’t work. His era and whip took a hit and the K’s he got ended up not being enough to pass the guy ahead of him. End result was a -.5 pt for the day and 2 or 3 very good starts are now needed to fix the whip/era that Santiago fucked up
I disagree . . . For example, the 8 SOs kept me in range of the guy ahead of me. I passed him again this evening for a 1 point gain and overall, a half point gain, if you consider what Flav said. Without those SOs I had no chance of catching him yesterday – which I did at one point – nor especially today. It’s all perspective. Flav is sweating bullets because he’s in my sights (8 points behind him). 🙂
E lineup is gonna rock tonight!
Baseball is a wacky game and you never know will happen, but I’d be so pissed if this was the one game I brought the family to and Zito was on the mound with this line-up behind him. (I know Zito has been good at home, but I still struggle with some baggage from previous Zito years)
June: ( 3 starts for all except Zits. )
Bum 2-1 18 innings 8 runs all earned 4.00
Cain 1-1 19.2 inninngs 8 runs all earned 3.66
Lincecum 1-2 17.2 innings 8 runs 5 earned 2.55
Zits 0-2 10.2 innings 12 runs all earned 10.13
Gaudin 2-0 17 innings 8 runs all earned 4.24
Timmy ain’t going to no pen…
Game thread for the phone users? 🙂
Sure. I’m on my phone too, but i think I can swing that
Done
Magnus, you’ve (for me) revived my cockamamie theory of building a staff based on the way pitchers are used in the All-Star Game. Rotate guys for three or four innings, every day. No, I can’t explain it. Screw off. Sorry I brought it up. The hell.
If it has not been noted before, let it be noted now [from my quirky obsessive memory]: Today is the anniversary of the Watergate break-in, in 1972. I honestly remember hearing about it on a radio news report. It was, I believe, the last item on the hourly news, perhaps CBS. As if it were an after-thought. Who knew? Also, hope everyone had a good Bloomsday yesterday.
The eidetic memory strikes again . . . You should be included in the next X Men sequel as “Memory Man.”
But it’s idiosyncratic, nothing to do with intelligence, such as remembering HS girlfriend’s phone number. Can’t help it. Hey, Pete Rose used to know everybody’s batting average when he was playing — so he claimed. But you calling him “eidetic”? (Now I gotta look that word up.)
Come on! You out of everyone here – knows exactly what “eidetic” means. False modesty doesn’t become you. 🙂
I had a hunch but really did run to Merriam-Webster. Curious. They say it refers especially to visual memory.
Is it unreasonable to suggest they should test Torres’s eyes? Don’t scoff. It could be something as simple as that.
There was a baseball movie with Dan Daly (I think that was his name) and Lloyd Bridges where Bridges needed glasses and it made all the difference. Of course, that was a movie. In real life, the player usually needs chemotherapy or more Adderall and that usually resolves the fielding problems.
Corbin winning again. Stop that train!