Boo Wheezy.
Irritating. Entertaining. Irritating again. That’s how that game went for me. My dream of a sweep is over. Bee Sleezy does nothing for me. Anymore. Maybe we misunderstood Sabean back in July. He didn’t say it was a “Bad Penny year.” He said it was a “Brad Penny year.” That’s even worse…..
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I stayed up for the “entertaining,” but finally hit the sack before the “irritating” (Gmen loss) occurred. However, I did read the 100 or so subsequent comments this morning, and Ted was entertaining as hell. Also, props go to Chuck for telling our resident troll, Rooster, to kiss our collective asses.
What else? Onward and upward toward the “quest for 4th” (and possibly 3rd) say I. How say you?
I have been saying that 3rd should be do-able for some time now. Quest for 3rd!
And when it is all said and done, the main thing is that the G-Men are out of the cellar at the end of the season. 3rd, 4th, whatevah…just NOT 5th!
In my dreams, the Giants score off Wilson then bring their own #38 in to close it out, which he does. The last out is a pop up behind him, and Hembree turns around to watch it, then flexes as the ball is caught and everyone left in the yard can see the his number. Then each Giant runs up behind him and rubs their hand in a circular motion (rub it!) around the number 38 as Dodgers file into the clubhouse.
Watch out where the huskies go . . .
Don’t you eat that yellow snow!
don’t hurt me, i break easily- but most irritating was not going hard to get wilson back. one of the hardest working, most intelligent guys in the game. and weird. even better. baseball needs more like him. definitely pissed to see him get the win for the bums. but hardly a surprise.
He’s got a nice beard.
I’m not ticked at Wilson. The Giants have been vague at what they did/didn’t do to sign him. From what I read, LA just offered him a minor league make good deal with a $1 million potential if he made the big club, or something like that. Sounds to me like Sabean didn’t want him, or didn’t want to compete to sign him, so that’s the end of it. The guy’s job is to make money pitching baseballs. If the Giants didn’t offer or offer enough, what’s he supposed to do — beg to come back? I’m not thrilled he’s on the Dodgers, but in this day and age, players move anywhere and everywhere as long as somebody is waving the Benjamins, so I’m not sweating it. Frankly, I was tired of his act, time to move on. Probably what Giants management was thinking, too…
Well, it is no secret that he was not pleased with the Giants declining to pick-up his option. That started the bad blood, I am guessing. The other thing that I have heard played into his decision is that the Weeze lives in Smell-A.
I would have loved to have had him back, but not at the coin his option would have represented.
I believe the beard wanted to move on. And Hollywood is a great fit for his odd personality. Plus he lives in LA, they are a contender for the title and there was still lingering resentment towards the G’s, despite was he says publicly now.
Curious to say the least. It’s not like LA broke the bank to get the Wheeze. The point being, they left a bargaining chip on the table instead of bringing him back. The pen will definitely look much different next season. Mijares, Machi, and the underwhelming cast of Dunning, Moscoso, and Kickham, et al certainly will either go back to the farm or go away. Affeldt? I think I’ve seen enough. Kontos? Sure. The other option is sign Wheezie back after this season.
Affeldt is signed through 2015 at 6 per. He isn’t going anywhere unless they either trade him, or release him (eat his salary). I don’t see either one of those things happening.
Typical Dodger Giant game.
There’s just a different level of intensity, regardless of the standings. Makes no difference if you are homegrown, who you played with last year or where you grew up. As a player, you will quickly understand the special significance of this long running rivalry. Watching Puig round first, he obviously gets it.
Should be a hard fought, entertaining series.
For tonight, and the rest of this series, one thing I don’t want to see is a first pitch strike to Puig. Not one. If he hits a single or a home run on the first pitch of an AB, fine. But, the pitch better be above the letters, below his ankles, a foot outside in the dirt, or a heater headed for his ribs. And, if Posey puts his glove target knee high over the middle of the plate on that first pitch, Bum ought to call him to the mound and scream some sense into him…
Agreed. You are probably thinking about the thigh-high…middle-in pitch he drilled for a double. That was a mistake pitch…no way in hell Cain wanted to put that pitch in that location. Terrible timing on when to make a “mistake pitch.”
I disagree strongly, Chi. Look at the replay on mlb.com. Posey put the target right above the knees in the middle of the plate, and Cain delivered it right on target. Boom! Double. As I called it last night, a dumbass pitch. Unca, James and maybe others, too panned it at the time as stupid or full of hubris. IMO, no way was that a mistake, other than being a dumbass idea…
Anybody have a clue why the Giants have these games where the defensive wheels just come off? Like in the second inning last night. That was just amazingly bad. Then the LA second run generated off Pence not catching that liner to right, where Cain was visibly exasperated at the failure, which is a rare thing for Cain. Not sure I’ve ever seen him visibly pissed off, let alone PO’d on the field. To me, physical errors are part of the game, you minimize that by practice and repetition. The enormity of the defensive cratering this season has to have a basis somewhere else — in lack of focus, frustration, communication, whatever. It’s been there all year, witness the defensive stats in the dumpster…
Bonds’ conviction for obstruction just upheld 3-0 in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
I’m surprised. He can try for a rehearing in front of an 11 judge full panel, but that’s problematic when you get a unanimous thumbs down at the 3-judge level…
Going after the Cuban, Jose Abreu is something that I have endorsed here at the Flap. Looks like Sabean agrees. Hardball Talk says, “Sabean and special assistant Felipe Alou are currently in the Dominican Republic scouting first baseman Jose Dariel Abreu. The 26-year-old slugger will need to establish residency outside of Cuba and be unblocked by the Office of Foreign Assets Control before being declared a free agent by MLB, but speculation is that he could top the $42 million deal received by Puig.”
By the by, this ties into wanting Belt to play the outfield this winter/spring training, i.e., if Abreu has a shortcoming, it’s his fielding, which is mediocre. His only natural position is 1st base.
Blade, it will be a windless evening at ATT when they sign this guy. One of the big dog teams will sign him. If the Giants get him, I will be surprised as hell. And, I’ll immediately wonder why the big dogs let him slip away…
I agree that with a half dozen or more teams trying to sign him, it’s a long shot. However, the Giants have NEVER seriously considered an international player. Now read the rest of the Hardball Talk article and you will know why I think this time may be different. To wit:
“Soldevila notes that the Red Sox also scouted Abreu today, so there promises to be plenty of competition in order to sign him, but Giants vice president Bobby Evans indicated to Andrew Baggarly of CSNBayArea.com two weeks ago that the team could be willing to make a big splash on the international market.
“The risk and cost assessment has to be part of the equation,” Giants vice president Bobby Evans told me. “As for the rewards, you do look at what some of these recent high-risk signings have done. It does give you a sense of `This is the potential.’ It does give you that desire to say, `Hey, can we get the next one?’”
If the Giants were to sign Abreu, they would have to move Brandon Belt from first base to left field.”
If they sign this Abreu guy, they know they are degrading both positions defensively. I, for one, could live with that, IF this guy turns into the masher hitter he’s supposed to be. I think Belt would actually be an average fielder in left. He’s got enough speed to handle it. Or, they would then trade Belt to get a very good RH hitting OFer, but not before they figured out whether Abreu actually could hit…
I watched the game to the bloody end. That was brutal. I wanted to comment, but earlier in the game had paused for a bit while I took care of some things. So, my comments would have been all out of synch with the Flap.
I have not gone back and checked last night’s comments. Sound like you know who, who thinks he is the “cock of the walk” was present. I hope someone told him to go to a Dodger blog where someone gives a shit about his drivel, and also told him to go fuck himself.
Yes. I took care of that!
Two things snarkk: 1. It takes more for Sabean to go to a 3rd world country, then the attraction of soaking up some rays and taking in the scenery (Yeah, the Dominican Republic is a baseball hotbed, but it is the poorest country in the Caribbean, C and S America, not named Haiti). Consequently, he wants to see if this kid is the real deal or not; and, 2. Forget about the Yankees or the Dodgers being bidders for different reasons, i.e., the Yankees want to reduce salary and get below the luxury tax threshold and the Dodgers don’t need this kid. In short, yeah, there will still be bidders, but the Giants have the financial wherewithal to get it done if they think this kid can play . . . Again, this is why Sabes and Alou are going and not one of the scouts.
Well, sure, if Sabean is there to see, there must be something to it. But, until we see him signed, I’m not buying the seriousness of the interest. It would be a huge change in policy direction for the Giants, and recognition that they need to get off their ass in acquiring top talent. I have no knowledge of this guy. Maybe somebody here can direct to links on him. A reported 26-year old Cuban could be 30, for all we know. I assume that’s a key part of their due diligence. IF they sign him, for that kind of dough he better be another Puig, not a Pig in a Poke…
BTW, the Dodgers are cruising to the division win essentially without Kemp playing much of a role at all. They’ve been paying him for a whole season to nurse injuries. If he comes back healthy next year, they’re that much more loaded. Or, they could trade his ass and huge contract for more pitching and prospects…
Quite true. I should know because he is on my fantasy league team and I didn’t pay him a cent, nor did he play much this year as you pointed out and I am still kicking ass in this FL league I am in. He has been less than worthless as far as I am concerned. Next year, the Dodgers will parlay Kemp’s value either as a trade chip or player, and the division will become much harder for us to win with the Dodgers at full strength.
Just my opinion maybe, but I think Sabes knows this and that’s why he is not going to leave one stone unturned.
Would you take Kemp onto the Giants, blade? I would…
Absolutely. Now, that definitely wont happen. It still doesn’t change the fact that he was worthless this year. Makes the Dodgers run more impressive somewhat (albeit, I still think with the Giants essentially rolling over in all aspects of the game this season, this was key to the Dodgers ascension, not necessarily anything they accomplished).
The Quest For Fourth has had its ironic moments.
– Schierholtz hit a game-winning HR against them
– Wheeler dominanted them
– Wilson got a win against them
– Rowand hit for the cycle against them.
(kidding on that last one)
Rooster crowed about Wilson getting the win, but somehow forgot to mention that the only reason Wilson got in the game was because the Dodger closer blew the save. It was not a great performance from the Dodgers last night. The Giants gifted them with 2 runs.
Spot on, zum…
Your microcosm of the game is exactly what I said insofar as the macrocosm of the season was concerned (1:07pm). Good post Zumiee.
What shall we call this season?
Clusterfukosm?
Disastercosm?
Embarrassosm?
Laidaneggosm?
Asteamingturdosm?
Collecturcheckosm?
Firsttoworstosm?
Bubbleburstosm?..
All seem to fit the bill, huh?
I don’t mind a little good natured crowing from an LA fan.
As for the Cuban; we are among the big dogs. If they seriously want him, they will make a very strong, competitive offer. None of the 6 big dogs ahead of us really need a 1b, except perhaps Boston.
I just wonder if he’s a good fit. They need OFer’s.
Back to the conversation about the Bums either using Kemp (if healthy) as a trade chip or playing him. Trading him will be VERY difficult. He is owed 21.250 mil the next two years, and then 21.750 the following three years (yep…he is signed through 2018). In a trade they would have to eat a big chunk of that coin. Fuck the Dodgers.
They could probably do it with some kind of Kemp contingency / performance metric tied to what quality level of PTBNL prospect(s) the acquiring team would eventually give up, in addition to the salary-offloading aspects…
Kemp is a stud Chi. I have no doubt he will be back at full strength next year. He came back too soon from his shoulder injury. Again, I think he was worthless this year, but in my opinion, he gets a pass for his face plant this year.
Not saying he is not a stud, Steve. Just that he is owed more than 100 mil over five years. That is a big pill to swallow for any team. Again, the only way I could see a trade going down is if the Bums ate some of the salary.
Otherwise, healthy or not, the Dodgers are gonna continually hear that “KA-CHING” to the tune of 20+ mil a year.
So Wilson got a W against the Giants: Whoop-de-damn-do. Not exactly an exclusive club for the 2013 season, and certainly not an elite one considering 68 other pitchers have done the same. Let’s see how he does in the playoffs, maybe, say, against the Reds, a team that beat Wilson last week before Wheezy could record an out.
Quick question – I am drafting a post on my blog regarding my visit to the bay area, as well as the Flap fest. How many Flappers attended? Nine, right?
Counting the lurkers? 😉
LOL . . . Umm, no.
BF, zum, Unca, Ted, blade, SanDawg, James, Pawlie, Chi, snarkk…
By the by, Belt isn’t playing tonight. Anyone know why?????
OK, I figured it out. Must be because Kershaw is a lefty.
One guess: Clayton.
Total bullshit, IMO. If he’s our 1bman, let him hit against Koufax, Warren Spahn, whomever. We’re only 20 games out, what’s it hurt to let him hit against top lefties?…
Thanks for the Flap fest info Tom. Also, I agree with you regarding Belt. With this season a wash, he should be playing against ALL lefties. I could understand it if the team was in a neck and neck race, but it doesn’t frickin’ matter . . . The only risk is him going into next year not being confident against ALL pitchers. Yeah, this one is a head scratcher.
Yep, he’s hitting .275 vs. LHPs, so it’s nonsense. I don’t know the lineup, so I suppose Posey is at 1b. I don’t have a problem with Hector getting a lot of time behind the plate to assess his skills, but not at the expense of Belt playing time. As far as I’m concerned, you can “rest” Posey all you want the rest of this season. He’s got nothing to prove, and only 9 more fingers to break…
Belt is still firmly in The Grip of his mistrustful handlers.
Weird line again from Danny Salazar who I have been “streaming” along with other pitchers in my FL leagues . . .
Innings Hits ER BB SO
9/13 @CWS 3.2 4 0 2 9
9/8 NYM 4.0 4 1 2 8
Dude doesn’t pitch very long, but his SO rate is phenomenal. Next year he will be a stud. Cleveland is pulling him early due to the amount of innings he has already pitched in the minors.
Pill won a game last year with a hr off kershaw. as bad we are against clayton, i really don’t have a problem with pill getting the start. the hr is pill’s only hit in 9 ab against kershaw. belt is 3 for 27.
i was ahead of kuip on that. sign me up, knbr.
nice one, twin, you da ‘voice’ of Kflap
🙂
I’d much rather have seen if Belt could move up to 5 for 31 than watch Brett luckily tomahawk another shoulder high fastball for an HR.
don’t worry about it. they should be finished with their ‘due diligence ‘ on pill after the season.
I think they’re done with Pill, just want to see Belt treated like a . . . number 3 hitter and get his reps against the tough lefties. I think his ego can take it at this point.
let pill hit against the ‘slump maker’.
Cue the Roy Lichtenstein girl sighing: “I need a Yasiel Puig of my own . . . .”
so, I am feeling, “nothing going to happen here” I hate that feeling. But not as much as I hate the words Sabean and off-season in my thoughts. “nothing gonna happen there” As I have watched the top teams at the break and after, adding parts as needed, it just confounds me why Brian doesn’t make moves, ever?
night all.
Good night Mike. I hope you are feeling well.
Got a little lucky with Puig there.
Bee Sleezy. Hahahahaha. I promise I won’t stay up for this one, like last night. But then again I promised “to have and to hold etc. etc. from this day forward etc.” — twice — and look how that ended up.
That was an awesome catch by Perez
Amazing. We was due.
Who’d of thunk it? Pill plays hero for the game.
The Giants are getting it done in spite of the homeplate ump giving Kershaw strikes that are off the plate on the inside.
Krukow needs to know that Abner Doubleday had nothing to do with the invention of baseball. That’s not a new revelation.
I’ll admit I was not unhappy to see Pill luckily dunk one into right.
The cool thing about Doubleday is that he was a Civil War soldier who was at Fort Sumter when the war started there.
I visited Fort Sumter in 1981. It was a nice experience. Fort Sumter is on an island; it’s kind of like going to Alcatraz.
I visited Manassas in 1980. I have no recollection of it.
It’s just a creek in the woods. (grin)
Have been to Manassas, Antietam, and Gettysburg (3x), as well as some lesser known battle fields in the No.VA and MD area, when I used to live near DC. The cognescenti of DC went out to view the first battle of Bull Run as if it would be a picnic in the park. Not…
Brutal, Dunning. You can’t walk the lead-off hitter.
I recently watched the very poignant and emotional ending to Season 2 of Breaking Bad. I’m curious to see how the characters pick up the pieces at the start of Season 3.
Be prepared for darkness, zum. A descent into an abyss of amorality, interspersed with dark humor of Saul Goodman…
Yeah, Saul is awesome. I’ve liked Odenkirk since back when he was portraying Larry Sanders’ hyperkinetic agent. Odenkirk does hyperkinetic very well. (grin)
See ya, Dunning. You’re not awesome.
If only Perez could hit. Alas, I think not…
Pence with the Pop! He is definitely in the salary drive…
Pence!
Bochy moves are paying off tonight.
I think Romo’s counter intuitive move of throwing a fastball in a slider count is becoming intuitive to the batters…
Puig with the whiff. Yes….
Nice fucking assist!
Good win.
Bottom of the 9th at the Latrine is almost always like getting a damn root canal with a jackhammer…
Thank god. The thought of Marmol possibly getting the win would’ve been even more humiliating.
A W! Hooray! Quest for 4th continues its quotidian march. Gnight, girls.
Kuip chewing his way through the post-game wrap again. Shows disdain for the listening fans. Unprofessional and entitled…
Vote for Duane!
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How can any one root against Wilson? Baseball is a business, He wanted to stay for a full 6 mil. bad move to pay that. Giants wanted a low base with incentives, as they should have. See Angels Madson too. Wilson said no. End of story. he helped us get our WS. I will always cheer him when i can…
You tell’em sportdude!!!!
Still, the blue dyed mohawk?
Fucking beyond weird, man
Sorry
He could have stayed here for the team that paid him, suffered through his shtick, and won him another ring while he was on sidelines and let him play goofball in front of the camera in the dugout, but wasn’t interested. Instead he blows them off and leaves town, not for a bigger deal (which I could understand) but for a chance to play for SF most hated rivals.
I’ll root for him about as hard as I do melky Cabrera.
Wilson is no Melky! Wille you may have more info than I, but I read Giants had no interest in signing him when other teams did (during his July / August throwing session). Dodgers offered a Million. SF zero. Don’t hate man!
Just to clarify..I cheer him for his past contributions to our basking, but do not root for him to do well now that he is a hated Dodger.