Voggy vs Becketty
I have nothing new to say about Tim Lincecum, therefore……..
Pretty big series coming up in LA, yes?
If I continue to think that Beckett is done then I have to believe that the Giants have a decent shot to win this game tonight. And then I turn to see who’s on the hill for us, and I’m longer as confident.
So, I have no idea what’s going to happen tonight.
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Voggy’s had two pretty good starts in a row, but Beckett’s got far better stats over a similar amount of innings, so on paper, it’s advantage LA, regardless that they had a troubled and rain delayed roadie…
Just my take, but we are favorites to take this game this evening, despite it being played on the Bums home turf. Voggy has limited his last two opponents to one run over 13 innings. Also, although Vogelsong didn’t receive a decision in two outings against the Dodgers last month – where he yielded five runs in 10 innings – the starts were both GMen victories. He’s also 4-3 with a 3.97 ERA in 21 games (12 of them starts) versus Los Angeles.
He needs to watch out for Gordon who is 9 for 23 off him and Hanley Ramirez, who has hit .421 with two solo homers in five games against us (last month). On our side, Hunter Pence is 8 for 19 when facing Beckett. Last, but not least, we have won nine of the last 12 meetings against these “Art Dealers” and Beckett hasn’t won a game in 19 months.
Put me down for the Giants winning at least a split in LALA Land and possibly, 3 of 4. 🙂
OK, blade. I’m convinced. Voggy the Conqueror tonight. I just want to make sure he’s got the enchiladas…
If Vogey has anything at all stuff-wise, he can out-gut anybody. I’m going with him tonight and a resurgent Belt to take Game One.
Yeah, he’s definitely a battler as long as he’s got some stuff. And yes, Belt has warmed up a bit, he must have decided after a Bochy benching to stop being a putz and go back to that Bam Bam inspired grip…
Yeah, I gave a quick synopsis on the match-ups last thread. Beckett done? As I mentioned on the last thread, he has a 3.14 ERA and a 1.01 WHIP. I would LOVE those numbers for our 4/5 guys. Also, Beckett has thrown 28.2 innings in 5 starts (certainly more than either Tim or Vogey). So, I am not real confident with tonight’s game. Given Steve’s VogelStrong stats…I am a bit more optimistic…but am not running down to throw some coin on this one.
Also, very good post by WillieD (last one) on the last thread. I absolutely agree.
Beckett has more starts where he has gone at least 5. If the Giants got 5 from Vogey and Tim each start and they ran in that 3-4 run range, I would be very happy with that.
I am having an enchilada for lunch…hope Nicole hooked Vogey up with his…
Giants need to win their minimum 2 before Kershaw shows up Sunday. Past history indicates that’s probably not a good shot at a win…
Voggy has 6 starts, 29.1 innings so far…
There’s probably no SABR numbers to back it up, but I think that ‘4 starting outfielders’ thing is hurting the Dodgers. It’s got to be a weird dynamic in the clubhouse with that going on. And especially since one of them is the goofball Puig. It’s ironic in light of the talk here about benches: the Dodgers, in a sense, have TOO much bench, if that’s possible.
The Dodger bullpen has been less lights-out than expected, so far.
The Dodgers haven’t been the world-beaters, so far, as predicted by the preseason pundits. Obviously injuries have factored in, but all teams have injuries to deal with.
Unfortunately our injuries are just the bench players…
Late in the game, Bochy looks down the bench and just sighs.
Being a National League guy, whenever I see gooey gushing amounts of praise being heaped up on Jeter on his Retirement Tour 2014, it makes me want to gag. During the Angels/Yankees game last night, the Angels’ broadcasters were just going on about Jeter all game. Lots of Yankee fans had grabbed up tickets to be at the game, so all kinds of Jeter-worship was going on in the crowd. One guy just stood there with a #2 Yankee jersey in his hands like he was holding the American flag from Iwo Jima.
People in the media can’t visualize how much the rest of the nation really doesn’t care that much about Jeter. Jeter’s appeal has never been nation-wide. Well, of course, in general, baseball players don’t have national attention. When companies want athletes in their TV commercials, baseball players are well down the list. Probably just above bowlers or something.
Agree with you on a a lot of that but I think Jeter is a national brand.
He’s a HOFer, but if he played in Milwaukee for 20 years, he’s Derek Molitor and ESPN barely shows him. I don’t give an S about the Yankees, never have, never will. How hard is it to stay a Yankee fan when they’ve won 27 championships or some such, and basically have a bottomless pit of dough to buy players? Being a Yankee fan is as hard as being a fan of water…
Agree. I’m more surprised when their money buys squat (2nd place or below) as it has done for the last dozen years or so, sans 2009, when they beat the hapless Phils.
Fans in San Francisco are rabid about the Giants and my feeling is that it has little to do with how much money the “suits” spend on players. Of course, things certainly improved when we moved from Candlestick Park to easily one of the best parks in MLB. In short, the venue is excellent for watching a game.
However, it is easier to love, relate to, and be a fan of quirky players like Pat Burrell, Angel Pagan, Pablo Sandoval, Aubrey Huff, Barry Zito, and other down to Earth people that have worn the orange and black. Conversely, Derek Jeter seems sort of a corporate creation, as do most of the Yankees that have worn the pin stripes.
Apart from the fact that it’s usually Yankee-related, in general I think we want continued recognition of players and teams at a national level. Our gratification in, e.g., the Giants winning a World Series (a grand label that’s already fairly presumptuous) is bound up in it.
I appreciate Jeter for being a damned fine ballplayer, and for staying loyal to his original team. Outside of that, I could give a flying fuck.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we have more important shit to take care of. Like…
BEAT LA!
Panda out tonight– Marte slid into his thumb, it’s still sore.
Sheez, that throw from Adrianza was so offline to LF direction, I thought Marte didn’t even come close to Panda. A thumb injury would be a good excuse for a DL visit and rehab to get Panda’s mind right…
Now I’m seeing a LU with him in it, so who knows
Interesting FanGraphs regarding Lincecum’s pitch percentages and speed of said pitches. Notice his fastball? Oh Oh! Under 90 MPH so far this season. Also, an FL article, which has a significant portion devoted to Lincecum’s diminishing returns . . . http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/fantasy-roto-arcade/closing-time-mark-buehrle-wheel-fortune-150919063–fantasy.html
Season Team Fastball Slider Curve Change Up Unknown
2007 Giants 66.9% (94.2) 19.7% (80.6) 13.4% (84.4) 2.6%
2008 Giants 66.1% (94.1) 1.7% (84.5) 13.7% (79.6) 18.5% (83.7) 1.7%
2009 Giants 55.9% (92.4) 5.2% (82.0) 17.4% (76.8) 21.6% (83.2) 1.5%
2010 Giants 54.6% (91.3) 8.5% (83.7) 13.9% (77.6) 23.0% (83.8) 1.4%
2011 Giants 52.9% (92.3) 15.6% (86.0) 7.3% (78.7) 24.1% (83.8) 1.1%
2012 Giants 52.1% (90.4) 17.0% (83.5) 10.5% (77.7) 20.4% (83.3) 0.4%
2013 Giants 50.0% (90.2) 18.3% (81.9) 8.2% (75.6) 23.5% (83.5) 0.9%
2014 Giants 49.9% (89.8) 17.3% (81.1) 8.6% (75.5) 24.1% (82.8) 13.7%
The guy from “A Beautiful Mind” would have trouble understanding this shit…
Here’s an instruction manual Loo . . . http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41367
That’s the one my parents used!
Destruction of all these idiotic NFL mock drafts is now underway. Likely few had Bortles going 3rd to Jaguars. Will Raiduhs now stay at 5th or trade down, needing bodies?…
Jake Mathews is still on the board. He is a beast of an OL.
Outside of the obvious, Clowney to Houston, I think ever draft guru is 0fer.
Raidhuhs didn’t trade out, got the OLB Khalil Mack…
ATL has to take Matthews. Matt Ryan got destroyed the last couple of years.
Poor Johnny. Two of his teammates go ahead of him. I love it!
This is fucking bullshit. Why don’t they have a split screen camera shit of Johnny every time a pick is announced? I would have loved to have seen his face when the Browns took Gilbert.
According to my cable guide, the game tonight is on the MLB channel. Just a heads up for all you other out of market SFG fans.
Stay on your toes infield.
Unclear on the concept award:
Mike Pouncey, OL of Miami and one of the dudes involved in the Jonathan Martin brouhaha, tweets after Miami picks an Olineman: “Great pick! I can’t wait for our gifts he’s getting us lol”…
No shit. Especially in lieu of Sterling’s racist comments. Pouncey = IDIOT
Wasting an excellent Voggy performance in the early going . . . Beckett has thrown 55 pitches already in 3 innings.
Not sure if I agree with Pence running in those situations. Looked to me like it distracted Posey and Morse.
Heeee’s Baaack.
Really? Panda??
Time for a two out knock…
G’night, girls. Driving to Philly tmrw. Ballet. So a W is a given for the Giants. And congrats to the Clinton (Iowa) LumberKings for overcoming a 16-run deficit to win. I hope our scouts were there.
MudBug!
Whoa! Excellent play by MudBug!
VogelSTRONG…
Help yourself out, Vogs.
Nicole power!
Voggy doing it all tonight.
Well, that sucked.
Not able to see the game, but just wondering: Is Beckett pitching that well, or is there something wrong with Giants hitters’ approach that the pitcher can get a leadoff double and then the 1 thru 3 can’t do a thing about it? …..
Ahh, in my opinion, Beckett is not pitching that well.
I was afraid of that..
When are you guys gonna start yapping about your Niners draft pick?
Don’t encourage ’em….
Whew.
Just tuned it. Looks like Craw is keeping ’em in it.
His glove sure has.
Hey Hicks!
Tied, about time we scored on this hack.
I’m not sure what’s sadder, Beckett trying to give the game away but the Giants wouldn’t take it, or Vin Scully thinking he’s calling a Brooklyn Dodger game.
I have a feeling that beating LA, is in Craw’s blood.
Jimmy Ward? Unless they convert this guy to CB, they have no reason to pick a free safety,
Hey, Nice turn there. Since the fricking 11 run win, the bats are silent.
For all the hype Johnny Manziel gets, you HOPE the guy pukes all over himself. What a fucking tool.
And way to go Vogie. Didn’t see the game, but he pitched 7.
Throwing the foul ball back onto the field? Jeeezus. They don;t get it, do they?
What the fuck???
Did Bochy think he pinch ran for Buster?
That, I did not expect.
Weak. This does not look like the same team that ground out that win in Pittsburgh the other day. Instead of sharing my frustration with myself here, I think I’ll just go back to throwing shit at the TV. Hope the 9ers did well in the draft.
Remember to throw only soft stuff at the TV. 🙂
See my 9:34 . ..
Fuck this ump. 5 strikes there.
Chone Figgins? Blast from the past . . . Surprised an MLB team signed him after his putrid career petered out in Seattle.
Get the pen going. Now.
Uncharted territory for Voggy going 8 innings. Not certain, but I don’t think he has done more than 6 innings this season.
Fuck
Miami and San Diego are 1-1 and so are we . . . Who goes to bed first? LOL.
Affeldt and his throws to first….he got the out, but man, he fires a fastball to firstbase about 30 feet away. You always hold your breath with that dude.
Take a hike, Puig.
Alright, I’m eating my rally yogurt. Yoplait, peach-flavored.
It worked. Stock up on that shit.
MudBug is flat picking it tonight!
Dang what a tough stop. Hanley can’t make that play any more except in his dreams.
On radio, sounds like Casilla is throwing nasty stuff…
So fucking nasty…his split is unreal…bottom drops the hell out…
Too funny . . . Although Adrian wasn’t laughing.
Why doesn’t Blanco try to bunt for a hit…
Well, now he’s 4 for 38. What’s the worst that can happen if he tries a bunt for a hit — he makes an out? I still don’t get pulling Morse when you are tied in the late innings — it’s total crap. He’s NOT that bad a defensive player. Blanco hasn’t made a defensive play yet in LF that’s been worth subbing him in during a tie game. Sub in Blanco if SF is AHEAD. The offensive fall off the cliff from Morse to Blanco is mind-boggling…
Scully said that made Blanco 1 for 27 on the road. Pathetic.
Pathetic is too optimistic, blade… 😉
Why indeed. They should be having Blanco chop everything. He certainly ain’t making hay flying out. The A-Gon play was too funny.
In the top of the 9th in Pitts, we had Perez on 1st and he got forced out. Then Adrainza on 1st, He got thrown out trying to go to 3rd on a single. neither time did Bochy run the guys. Top of the 9th this game Bochy sends Posey. Of course he gets thrown out.
Bochy is making some questionable moves so far this season. I scratched my head on that, too. WTF was Posey running? Botched hit and run? Weird…
That was a straight steal.
WTF is Buster trying to steal late in a tie game? That’s just nonsensical…
Morse taken out again. I think Lincecum has a better chance of playing a complete game this season than Morse.
Good one. 🙂
I got Morse in fantasy, so it doubly pissed me off.
OK, Wright can’t find the strike zone. Let’s try a little patience Buster.
Jamie Wright looks like he’s pitching the same way he did as a Giant. When was that — seems like ages ago…
He was on the Giants? 2 months? I don’t remember that.
Meanwhile Buster’s checking his wood.
Wiki says he appeared in 34 games for SF, making 21 starts in 2006 with a 6-10 record and 5.19 ERA.
Hector the hacker better show some patience.
Chuck, you must have a faster feed than I do. LOL.
Wright has the right stuff so far (if you are a Giant hitter)….
Shit, that looked like his pitch.
Time for Buster to earn some of those tall dollars…
Nice job Sanchez!….