Arroyo > Pena

Posted in Uncategorized by Flavor on June 21, 2016

So whattya gimmie for a *Ramiro Pena*? This is the kind of shit the Giants do that I hate. Just because this cat has been in the big leagues at some point in his career they’re going to start him. Note to Giants brass: shitty utility guys do not belong starting for any length of time, ever.

Arroyo isn’t going to get called up because of the tired, played out excuse we’ve always gotten: He might not be ready and we don’t want to damage his psyche. Excuse me but fuck that. I’m tired of treating ballplayers like they’re PTSD victims. If you call him up and it turns out he’s not ready you just tell him that and send him back down. He’ll be fine. It’s not like he’s going to cry a puddle of tears and be ruined forever.

Give Arroyo a shot. You know he wants it. And he’s earned it.

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gianthead said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:06 am

This is exactly what I was going to ask in my first..well done Flav Head.

Bring on Arroyo…absolutely nothing to lose for a few starts for him…
- Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:13 am
  
  No shit, bring the kid up.
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:16 am

I don’t think Pena could hit water if he fell out of a boat.
gianthead said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:20 am

And if Dirk is willing to sign a $3 mill deal to try and win another championship and willing to come off the bench, then good move for the Dubs. If he wants to get paid a real salary them sayanora baby. What we need is a 3 who could take the ball to the rack and jam it instead of trying to lay it up as the defense crashes around and blocks that shot. A bigger version of Jason Richardson or a Vince Carter type…Kevin Durant would definitely do.

Iggy and Bogut to Boston to give them some potential playoff pieces and some draft picks for that #3 pick and land the 7’1″ 18 year old Bender from Croatia is real enticing to me. Would give us around $25 mill extra plus the forthcoming extra bump in the salary cap to make real run at Durant. (We would probably get forced to eat a couple of Celtics contracts in such a deal, Sullinger is probably one). Plus it helps keep Ezeli in the fold. I would like to extend Livingston, I think he is super important off the bench and gives us protection for Curry and of course we need to max out Curry and can get that deal done now instead of waiting for his free agent year.

Not sure who else fits the 3 bill as a free agent….
- gianthead said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:28 am
  
  Celtics only have $27 mill committed for next year, so they could easily eat up Bogut and Iggy’s contracts…if it doesn’t work out for the Celtics, both contracts expire…
dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:21 am

Maybe they’re trying to protect Arroyo as a trade chip and bringing him could affect that.
- gianthead said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:26 am
  
  Dirt, no way on earth am I trading Arroyo….notgunnadoit….
  - dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:30 am
    
    Would you completely discount including him in a package for Ozuna?
  - gianthead said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:20 am
    
    Definitely!!! 🙂
  - gianthead said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:22 am
    
    I might part ways with a Parker or Big Mac and one non-top 3 pitching prospect for Osuna…maybe a Mejia or other top 3 pitching prospect in part of a deal for Andrew Miller….
blade3colorado said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:32 am

Dirt, I don’t know the specifics, but I’m thinking it is more likely to do with service time and controlling the kid going forward. Again, not certain how that works, but we’ve seen this numerous times before, e.g., the Bryant kid in Chicago. Teams want maximum contract control before free agency and that has as much to do with bringing up a kid, as talent does.
- dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:34 am
  
  Agree, I was going to mention that too but Sabevans would never do such a thing.
- wilcojoe said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:16 am
  
  That’s exactly what it is Blade. I can understand the cheap ass Astros doing this (the fact they haven’t called up Alex Bregman is asinine) but the Giants?
- Bozo said, on June 21, 2016 at 11:19 am
  
  I’m pretty sure you’re right, Blade. The minute they call him up the clock starts ticking, if they have to send him back down that clock is still ticking. Plus, he isn’t on the 40 man roster so someone would have to be traded or make it through waivers. Plus, plus there is that options thing, so if he doesn’t stick you could end up with another Adrianza thing. Plus, plus, plus, he’s only played 16 games at third and 15 of those are just this year.
  
  If he was a sure thing to start next year on the big club, like a Posey thing, then yeah, bring the kid up. He hasn’t shown anything like that so right now I agree with the Giants brass on this one.
  - blade3colorado said, on June 21, 2016 at 3:13 pm
    
    Good info . . . Thanks John.
- chipower9 said, on June 21, 2016 at 2:38 pm
  
  I concur…it is all a service time thing is my guess.
willedav said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:44 am

Blade makes a pretty good point. In ST I heard Wotus say he thought the kid would be too big for SS and that 3B his likely landing spot at ml level.
My only ? is, what exactly has he done to “earn it.” A year in high A ball? By all accounts he is not exactly lighting up Double A. I don’t follow prospects and don’t buy the hype over them until they hit ml. Far too many of them, for all teams, flame out.
Randal Gricuk sent down day before by Cards who recalled Kolten Wong. Both these guys (like Duffy) looked pretty good last year, struggling this year. Baseball not an easy game.
Carstie Clausen said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:53 am

Okay: So here’s the current stats on Arroyo. He has upped his BA lately to a respectable .285, but the rest of the story looks a bit meh. 242 ABs, scoring 28 times on 69 hits, 19 of which are doubles, a triple and a whole two taters. So that’s an XBH percentage of a bit under .333. He has driven in an unimpressive 20 runs for a generally unimpressive offense for Richmond. Further breakdowns include 17 walks to 43 strikeouts ~ sort of so-so. This is reflected in a mediocre OBP of .330, a not particularly daunting SP of .397 and a not particularly memorable OPS of .726.

It must be pointed out that Arroyo is still quite young and is gradually growing into his baseball chops. It is also true that Eastern League pitching is probably tops in AA. Long term, at worst he will become a valuable utility man and more likely a starter. Star quality? Time will tell. My opinion is that he is still a bit green and needs another year to be MLB viable. To date, the one impressive stat in his AA repertoire happens to be those 19 doubles ~ a nice indicator of future development but no quick ticket to The Show.
gianthead said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:27 am

I have rethought my position on Arroyo. Forgot he is in Richmond and we have not gone down yet to see him. So no call up yet:)

If not ready, he should be in Sactown next year and if he hits there, then hopefully ready for a look in the show soon thereafter. I would still be giving him some OF starts….
dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:34 am

Arroyo is younger than Duffy was at AA but his numbers are not as good.
Flavor said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:35 am

I’d package Arroyo in something for Ozuna in a nanosecond.
snarkk said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:47 am

Could not agree more w BF re Arroyo. However I heard on radio they don’t want to bring him up because they’d have to send somebody off the 40 man to make room and some BS potential rule 5 exposure ramifications down the road for Arroyo. I think part if it qould be they don’t want to F with Duffys mind. BTW, this is what happens to guys that never get a regular day off–Duffy had the long consecutive game stretch, now he’s out with an Achilles…
willedav said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:48 am

Um, quick look at the standings shows Marlins even with the Mets for 2nd place in East and with one more W than the Cards.

It’s awfully hard for me to understand why they would trade a guy like Ozuna who is 3rd in league in batting at .323 and blasted HRs #15 and 16 yesterday with 43 rbis for freaking prospects.
dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:59 am

I was just throwing Ozuna out there as an example to illustrate that you can’t be attached to prospects. This club has a solid infield and is still in the window to compete. With the bullpen and outfield being the holes to fill I think they should do whatever they can to land a solid OF. Bochy can continue bringing along the bullpen.
Irish Kevin said, on June 21, 2016 at 11:22 am

I have been advocating for the Giants to bring up players since I have been posting here, most of you have read my rants on constantly going after OLD FA. Just look at the players the Giants had prior to Crawford and Panik. Bring the young guys up, if they do get butt hurt by being sent back down to F’ing bad. To me that means they don’t have the mental toughness to be in the bigs then. Bring on the young bucks!!
- willedav said, on June 21, 2016 at 11:42 am
  
  Those 2 stand out but for me as the exceptions to the rule. Look at all the chump kid OFs, the Bowker gang, the backup Cs, and others on the IF like Downs and Adrianza that couldn’t cut it.
  I’d rather have a solid seasoned vet as SF goes for a pennant drive than an inexperienced unproven kid. Guys like Scutaro and Cody Ross and Theriot were invaluable, Ishi too.
  - Irish Kevin said, on June 21, 2016 at 1:25 pm
    
    Cody Ross was the only one that could have been kept, the Giants gave the other to contracts they should not have gotten, I don’t want one and done for my team, I want guys that are going to stay healthy and play more than one year.
Flavor said, on June 21, 2016 at 12:51 pm

Mac W called up, Boring Ass Gillespe playing 3rd today.
- zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 1:08 pm
  
  He’s got a first-rate game-face, though.
wilcojoe said, on June 21, 2016 at 1:40 pm

Before the three WS titles, I used to follow our minor league system pretty closely. Now? I can hardley tell you who is down there. But from what I hear, there is not much. Hell, it’s hard to expect more from a system that has contributed probably more home grown WS talent than any in the recent history of the game. At this point, I could care less who they trade cause I don’t know them anyway. Ozuna for our two top prospects? Hell, throw in number three as well, if that’s what it takes.
dirtnrocksnomo said, on June 21, 2016 at 2:37 pm

Sucks for Peavy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/06/21/mark-sanchez-jake-peavy-roy-oswalt-allegedly-swindled-out-of-millions/
- chipower9 said, on June 21, 2016 at 2:51 pm
  
  That sucks. They need to hang that fuckwad (once he is convicted) by his balls from a very high tree.
- blade3colorado said, on June 21, 2016 at 3:20 pm
  
  Hey dirt, that swindler’s name was Ash Narayan and I love the first comment regarding that article:
  
  “Never invest with a dumb Ash.” lulz
chipower9 said, on June 21, 2016 at 2:39 pm

Okay, let’s get back on the good foot and win a fucking ball game.

1. Denard Span (L) CF
2. Joe Panik (L) 2B
3. Brandon Belt (L) 1B
4. Buster Posey (R) C
5. Brandon Crawford (L) SS
6. Angel Pagan (S) LF
7. Gregor Blanco (L) RF
8. Conor Gillaspie (L) 3B
9. Johnny Cueto (R) P
chipower9 said, on June 21, 2016 at 2:52 pm

Great topic/thread Flav…I am with ya. And I understand why the do not bring him up (Blade nailed it, IMO)…it is all a service time issue.
unca_chuck said, on June 21, 2016 at 3:42 pm

In the end I don;t think it matters when they bring Arroyo up. If he’s worth it, they’ll sign him to a better deal before all this kicks in. If not, then what’s the harm? 6 months less arb time. Big whoop.
Flavor said, on June 21, 2016 at 3:53 pm

this sucks for Peavy. Makes you wonder how if was affecting him earlier this year.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/giants/2016/06/21/giants-jake-peavy-reacts-defrauded-16-million-according-federal-suit/
- Flavor said, on June 21, 2016 at 3:54 pm
  
  Ah, I see Dirt already covered this….
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 4:54 pm

span drives me nuts. shit ab.
- djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:17 pm
  
  HJT…
zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 4:56 pm

Span is rockin’ a .246 batting average now.
djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:17 pm

The revenge of Crazy Horse!
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:17 pm

ANGEL MAN!
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:17 pm

BOOM!
Macdog said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:19 pm

PA-GONE SLAM!
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:19 pm

That was just what the doctor ordered. Great AB by Craw then BOOM went Angel.

Gillaspie goes yard!
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:20 pm

He almost knocked that thing into the Monongahela!
- zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:22 pm
  
  Yeah, that kid in the last row got it. Very cool!
djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:22 pm

A Boring Bomb for GFG (Game Face Gillaspie)
- zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:23 pm
  
  No smile after the HR! Pretty funny.
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:23 pm

Cueto has got to be loving this. 7 on the board and still no one out. lol
djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:23 pm

Gillaspie looks like Johnny Drama from Entourage…

http://tinyurl.com/zhvmxcv
- sandog said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:33 pm
  
  Good call. I pretty much stopped watching that show because that character irritated me so much.
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:27 pm

That is a sweet view in that park.
zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:30 pm

That inning had a wonderfully calming effect on me.
- Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:38 pm
  
  A 7-spot will do that for you.
sandog said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:38 pm

The Border Fire in Southern Cal is in my area. The school where I work is closed all week, finals are cancelled, and we’re doing graduation at another high school later this week. The van is packed and I’m ready for the call to evacuate. In the meantime, I’m enjoying the game…
- zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:41 pm
  
  I hope everything works out OK, Dawg!
- Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:46 pm
  
  Yeah, ditto. We went through that a couple of times when we lived in Goleta. Pretty harrowing.
- djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:48 pm
  
  Good luck, SD…
- Flavor said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:09 pm
  
  I follow a couple of different fire departments on twitter and saw a pic of that fire yesterday and wondered if it was affecting you. Stay safe! Gotta hang out in mid July, can’t do it if you’re on the run!!!!!
djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:41 pm

McCutchen couldn’t ketch-up to that one…
Sorry.
- Flavor said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:08 pm
  
  none of us are solid gold 100% of the time. Don’t feel bad. 🙂
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:45 pm

You take that spectacular 11 pitch AB and that smoking ground out and you can really see how far Craw has come as a hitter. He doesn’t give away any AB’s and fights the pitcher for every pitch. He’s developed into the proverbial professional hitter. That and his Gold Glove defense makes him a pretty damn good SS. I’m glad he’s a Giant.
- zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:00 pm
  
  Well said.
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:48 pm

Conor!
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 5:51 pm

With Duffy out for a couple of weeks, it’d be real nice if Gillaspie could get and stay hot.
- zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:02 pm
  
  He had a nice couple of months for the White Sox in one stretch. We need him to recapture some of that.
- Carstie Clausen said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:04 pm
  
  Evidently, Gillaspie was dragging early on because he didn’t get any starts and kinda rusted away on the bench. He’s making the most of it now.
Flavor said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:07 pm

i don’t think it’s a stretch to call Belt the most clueless baserunner we have. Winning by a wide margin.
- djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:12 pm
  
  Hey Flav, I ‘m pretty sure you’ve seen (heard) these 2 race calls from Tom Durkin a few years back with a horse named “Arrrrr”. Pirate games make me think of them:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/mcf7sau
  - Flavor said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:44 pm
    
    no but that was fucking hilarious. Durkin is laughing in between Arrrrr’s in the stretch. Never seen something like that before. And then he goes back immediately into character to call 2nd and 3rd after the wire. Epic.
Carstie Clausen said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:10 pm

Buster is regaining his moxie. He has a way of plinking those short-stroke singles to drive in runs. Belt’s 2nd double of the evening is also his 19th of the season. He’s climbing up that leader board too.
zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:14 pm

Cueto and Jaso is the dreadlock showdown.
- djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:17 pm
  
  Battle of the braids…
zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:20 pm

McCutcheon was hearing some boos. That’s kind of messed up.
djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:21 pm

I’d pull Cueto early and let someone mop up. Shutouts and CG’S are meaningless…
- djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:24 pm
  
  I think he’s at 92 pitches. He ain’t finishing the game anyway.
  I would not send him out for the 7th…
Macdog said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:35 pm

Flav does it again:

Flavor said, on June 20, 2016 at 6:30 pm
Ok Locke is painfully average but I really do think there’s something to getting stuck in a trance in that dump in Tampa and then no off day and travel. I bet we snap out of this tomorrow.
- Flavor said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:41 pm
  
  I also had a 12:51pm today that missed the mark pretty good
  - Macdog said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:58 pm
    
    Lulz, nobody’s perfect.
djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:38 pm

That pitch was like Oswald’s second bullet…
Flavor said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:40 pm

If you’re forgetting Sean Rodriquez, he’s the dude who heroically stepped into the ring vs a tough-guy water cooler a couple of years ago……
blade3colorado said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:45 pm

Belt is clueless about base running. He has no sense of time and space. See the last play for evidence.
zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:49 pm

Wow, Lopez.
Flavor said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:49 pm

I’ve had it with Lopez…..
Bozo said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:50 pm

I’m going to miss Lopez when he’s gone. Damn, I miss him now.
zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 6:51 pm

Ump gifted him with a couple of strikes.
djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:05 pm

Stomp the piss out of ’em!
- Bozo said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:16 pm
  
  Yeah you right, Loo.
  Stomp the piss out of ’em!
sandog said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:18 pm

My goodness…
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:18 pm

This has become comical.
Bozo said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:21 pm

Ain’t going to be no pissing in Pittsburgh tonight.
Lurker John said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:21 pm

This the definition of stomp the piss out of ’em. Look up stomp the piss out of ’em in the dictionary and you’ll find the box score for this game.
djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:29 pm

I think Gillaspie might be a true psycho.
Pirate announcer has called him Cole at least twice…
djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:30 pm

Steve Blass should pitch the 9th…
- Bozo said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:36 pm
  
  Not that it matters, but is he still alive?
  - zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:38 pm
    
    Well, it matters to Blass! 🙂
  - zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:39 pm
    
    I know what you meant. 🙂
  - Bozo said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:46 pm
    
    Hah, classic, Zum 🙂
  - djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 8:10 pm
    
    A rare gay smiley-face trifecta!
Macdog said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:54 pm

Replay should probably be turned off with a 10-plus spread in the 9th.
Macdog said, on June 21, 2016 at 7:59 pm

Giants go from zero to 15 in 24 hours.
Bozo said, on June 21, 2016 at 8:02 pm

The urinal is now closed.
Carstie Clausen said, on June 21, 2016 at 8:03 pm

On two or three occasions this season i have called the Giants offense schizophrenic. Tale of two evenings in Pittsburgh. Pin a loss on Bumgarner one night and can’t score once. Tonight, 15 tallies on 22 knocks. Go figure.
zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 8:39 pm

The Puigster is back for the Dodgers, and just hit into a doubleplay.
djloo27 said, on June 21, 2016 at 8:42 pm

I still want Puig on the Giants…
- zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:07 pm
  
  IF he’s willing to take coaching.
James said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:23 pm

Here are some figures:

SF’s overall run differential for 72 games still has them outperforming expectations. They have 45 wins, but the expected win total is 43. In other words, the Giants are being pretty efficient/lucky in how they spread out the scoring relative to the pitching.

Before tonight’s game, they were also on pace to match the run total of the 2012 team, the highest scoring post-Bonds team we’ve seen. After tonight, they’re on track to exceed the 718 runs scored by the 2012 team. Schizo, constipated, whatever you want to call it, the offense has been more effective than any of the WS teams to this point.
bassbaldy said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:41 pm

Fuckin Grandal .. Fuckin Dusty leaving Roark in too long!
- zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:55 pm
  
  Bad managing by Dusty. There’s a lot to like about Dusty, but he’s not great at recognizing when a starting pitcher is out of gas.
  - bassbaldy said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:01 pm
    
    Yep. No one knows that better than us Giants fans.
zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 9:57 pm

Something about the Nationals….they still can’t come up big in the big moments. The Dodgers do get to miss Scherzer, and Strasburg is slightly injured, but still….
- bassbaldy said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:02 pm
  
  I did not realize that Harper is about 80 points off last years BA.
zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:02 pm

The Dodgers have some HR pop. They’re winning games by pitching and HRs. They doink around all game, then somebody hits a big HR late in the game.
zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:08 pm

I think two playoff teams are coming out of the NL West, and I like our top three starting pitchers over the Dodgers’ top three.
The Dodgers could make a deal for somebody, but who’s out there that would be available? I’m not impressed with Sonny Gray anymore.
- James said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:36 pm
  
  You just know that if we have to face Kershaw, it’ll be the year he starts to correct his post season numbers.
  - zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 10:58 pm
    
    He’s due. And at some point, the Dodgers will win a World Series again. Their streak of choking will probably end at some point.
zumiee said, on June 21, 2016 at 11:04 pm

The Giants just gotta keep banking wins. The schedule is favorable in the next few weeks. Just take care of business.
snarkk said, on June 22, 2016 at 12:34 am

Peavy — can’t blame him if he’s been a bit distracted…
http://www.mercurynews.com/giants/ci_30041682/giants-peavy-could-lose-15-million-because-crooked?source=rss
willedav said, on June 22, 2016 at 7:50 am

James thx for the 9:23 post about how well Giants O is doing for runs scored despite injuries to key players.
Because many of posts I’ve read are combo of: Span sucks, Posey sucks, Duffy sucks, kids suck, Gillaspie sucks, one guy couldn’t find water in a boat and is worse than a Double A kid yada yada.
Sometimes the negativity here for a team that’s blowing league away is just odd.
But hey if that’s what you makes you feel good…

Perspective? My godson in SD who has partial seasons told his Mom “we’re not the worst team.”
How’d you like to live with that all summer, trying to stay ahead of the Braves and Reds while watching ex mgr and Giants romp your ass 9 straight?